Vonda Wood is a long but must read article about the Rapture, the Wrath of God and an answer to Ron Reese about the half our of silence in Revelation not being the half hour Obama broadcast on October 29, 2008.

Very good Vonda.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/vondaw1127-2.htm

Vonda Wood (27 Nov 2009)
“Wrath, tribulation and the church“

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One of the major problems with most religious people who try to launch an offensive against evolution is that they don’t have a clue what it is. You don’t need to get a degree in biology or even read a biology textbook. But, you should at least familiarize yourself with some of the basic concepts and sources of evidence for what you are trying to argue against. Otherwise, you end up making a complete fool of yourself.

Religious zealotry and ignorance of science can lead to some amazingly ridiculous questions. Today I was asked, “Why do we have to use science? Can you explain why we are eating pizza right now with science?”. Clearly, the person asking the question was not trying to seek the truth. He was creating a smokescreen to try and hide from the truth.

The main difference that separates science (e.g. evolution) and pseudo science (e.g. CrIntelligent Designism) is the process in which they arrive at conclusions. In science a hypothesis is made and observations are collected; if the observations support the hypothesis then the theory is accepted, otherwise, a new hypothesis needs to be made. However, with pseudo-science a conclusion is already presumed. Only observations that support said conclusion are collected and those that refute it are ignored.

Those who question the validity of science really need to wake up and take a look at the world they live in. Every day you take advantage of all the advancements and innovations made possible only with science. You have no problem with science when it comes to your computer, cell phone, car, medicine, contact lenses, clothes, and so on ad infinitum, but when it conflicts with your presumed conclusions you deny its usefulness. If that isn’t mental gymnastics I don’t know what is.

“Man is the cruelest animal. At tragedies, bullfights, and crucifixions he has so far felt best on earth. And when he invented hell for himself, behold, that was his very heaven.”

- Friedrich Nietzsche

A woman’s genitalia slashed four times, after which (they) fired a bullet into it. They speared both of her eyes, shot both her breasts, cut off her feet, fired into her mouth.

A few kilometers off the main highway, on a remote hilltop covered with waist-high grass, bodies lay with twisted hands reaching in the air. They had been shot point-blank. Nearby, cadavers were being laid out under banana leaves.

That wasn’t a scene from a Lars Von Trier movie. It wasn’t a nightmare sequence.

It was a sickening description of Buluan Vice Mayor Esmael Mangundadatu of his wife’s fate.

His wife, sister, aunt, several women and media practitioners were massacred in Ampatuan, Maguindanao.

While the mutilation is difficult to prove without autopsy reports, the very thought of a 57 (and counting) death toll over an election-related mass murder is horrendous itself.

Words are not enough to describe the horror of what happened.

Reading through how the people were beheaded, shot multiple times, ran over with the truck, and buried in a pre-dug hole makes one’s stomach turn upside down and over.  It makes one squeamish, angry, horrified – all at the same time.

We begin to wonder how such acts of inhumanity can ever exist. We begin to ask how can the perpetrators even sleep at night?

But then again such creatures who commit such crimes aren’t people. They are not humans.

We all believe in the justice system. We are at least forced to believe that in situations like this, justice will be served. But knowing how the system can be easily corrupted, we can’t help but wonder if it is easier to retaliate. To do the same thing to the arrested individuals.

Yesterday, November 24th was evolution day: the 150th anniversary of the publication of Charle’s Darwin’s revolutionary book, The Origin of Species.

This month, it’s been 20 years since the Berlin Wall came down and the Iron Curtain of Communism over Russia and Eastern Europe.

I don’t know if you are old enough (anyone over 30) to remember when Russia and Eastern Europe comprised the world’s largest prison right behind the “People’s Republic” of China, but, it was a time fear to live in the US. It was worse than even the events of 9/11.

There was a fear of imminent Nuclear War. The early 1980s were a time of anxiety as the arms race between the US and the former Soviet Union continued and President Reagan said things like the Soviet Union was the “evil empire” and books and movies depicted very realistic Nuclear War scenarios. I once heard the local test siren go off one week shortly after reading a book and seeing a movie about nukes, and I literally thought the Russians were attacking! I thought it was only a matter of time that one side or the other would do something stupid and the situation would degenerate into the end of life on Earth very quickly.

When the Wall came down in 1989 along with the freeing of Eastern Europe and later Russia from Communism it was like a blessing to those who can still remember it.  It was a reprieve from the constant fear of “war” and the end of half of Europe being under a dictatorship so huge and pervasive it seemed it would never end.

For me, the joy did not last as my targetting was just gearing up then, and I was made so miserable and un-free by tiny gradations day by day I did not feel the joy. Soon, my life got so dark I even envied the people in the former Iron Curtain countries even though I did not know the source of the shadow.

I new and sinister idea just occurred to me.  What if the “Wall Came Down” not because “freedom” had won over “oppression” but that the technology for total world tracking of each and every individual on Earth had become a reality so the tyrants of the Eastern Bloc thought it safe to let the little citizens out of their cages?  In other words, “freedom” had died in the “free” countries (where it did not really even exist for many even before then) so it was “safe” to let oppressed people to have free run of the cage that had become Earth.

In other words contained Communism morphed into world Fascism.  In essence, totalitarianism with shopping malls.

Many long term targets noticed their targetting starting around the late 80s/early 90s term of Dubya’s father, number 41.  Mine started right around the time the “election season” was starting about a year before the 1988 election.  I’m thinking the “End of Communism” was a planned event by the globalists so the little suckers like you and me could think “freedom” won over oppression.

It didn’t.  For the first time, I think, the perp controllers had the system in place to track anyone anytime anywhere and read their mind as well.  No need for an “arms race” or a “Cold War”.  Arab terrorists replaced the face of the enemy for most “free” people and the transition was as smooth as butter.  Now, they are the enemies to fear and flag wave over.

Who will be the enemy of the future?  Us.  Ordinary citizens selected and persecuted at first in secret and then everywhere.  In a way, we already are the “enemy” of all the people.  We are selected and harassed and tortured without a reason, without any charges being brought against us and without any recourse or even an opportunity to tell our stories in a court of law.  We are charged, convicted and sentenced to a very dark restricted “life” even before we know what’ s happening.  Soon, the whole world will be under this sort of surveillance/punishment/reward scheme with variations.  The threat of total targetting (like we get where we have no friends anywhere) will keep them in line along with the threat of concentration camps or whatever else they come up with. Only the citizen spies and “party members” will have it a little better.

After that, the devil will set up his world leader.

This is a very interesting letter from a black woman lawyer who also graduated from Harvard. It is worth reading.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/laura1125.htm

Laura (25 Nov 2009)
“THE SOURCE OF OBAMA’S ANTI-ISRAEL POLICY“

I received a YOUTUBE video from Joe Jordan – he came on the record in The Alien Interview book – about the upcoming meeting in Copenhagen. The nuts and bolts of the story is this. The goal of the Copenhagen conference is to collectively gather up the nations of the world into one big happy family under the auspices of green house emissions and carbon tax. In other words because we use 25% of the world’s energy we would be taxed and our wealth would be redistributed to poorer nations. How do you spell communism? It would appear that the New World Oder may be birthed at Copenhagen. While the antics of morons who masquerade as musicians, at the AME awards caught the media’s attention, and provide a distraction, we are faced with some very disturbing developments that may create a future world that we won’t recognize. The video link below is well worth watching as Lord Monckton gives a riveting explanation as to what we are about to face. It would appear that we now understand the media hype and the slobbering love affair that accompanied Obama’s campaign. He is a socialist and wants to redistribute wealth. He is a junior Senator with one term and he’s awarded the Nobel peace prize for what? I think that his election was a set up – we’ve been duped! The Copenhagen treaty could spell the end of America as we know it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHM5PLq9KXo

Of  course there are forces that are puling in the other direction. I speak of the recent outing that the science behind global warming is junk science, and that data was manipulated to attain the desired results. So that being said, this makes the entire premise behind Copenhagen fall of its own weight. In other words if global warming doesn’t exist then why do we need a carbon tax? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230635/Scientist-climate-change-cover-storm-told-quit.html?ITO=1490

The bottom line is this, and once again I turn to the supernatural guide-book for the answer. We are told that in the last days there is going to be a one world government. Now when that was written about 2000 years ago it certainly seemed like the ravings of a mad man, to those who don’t grasp that when the God of the universe declares a thing before it happens you can bet your bottom dollar that it will come to pass, even if it takes a couple of thousand years to do so! We are told that this global government would be one of the signs of the last days. The last days mean this, that there will be a point where history as we know it will end and a theocracy will be set up. The rightful king will return – think Jesus here – and men will beat there spears into plowshares? Isn’t that the phrase that hangs above the U.N.? Unlike the enervated U.N. world peace will actually happen, but before it does we will see the tyranny of a one world government system along with the nefarious mark of the beast and the rise of the antichrist.

Meanwhile, I look forward to spending some time with my wife and kids this Thanksgiving. I’m grateful for my freedom, the blessings I have and the many friends and acquaintances that impact my life. Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Check out our Christmas Store and give a gift that warns about the coming Great Deception!

Go to: www.lamarzulli.net

This story that just broke out a couple of days ago is AMAZING!!! God bless the hacker that got us that information! (I know hacking is against the law, and I’m not saying that God approves of breaking the law, but how else would we have acquired such invaluable proof?)

Remember: Climate change panic is designed to bring about One World Government, and massive wealth redistribution!

If you have not heard this story before, you have got to see these videos NOW!

Ein Foto von Diedrich Diederichsens nach seinem Vortrag im Arsenal Kino während der Retrospektive “Live Film! Jack Smith!”.

Sein Vortrag wurde von einigen angelsächsischen Kollegen mit Augenrollen quittiert. Auch nicht die feine englische Art, oder? Mögen die Briten etwas unser tiefsinniges, deutsches Gelaber nicht? Was ist da los?

Fundamentalist religious people, 9/11 truthers, anti-vaccine conspiracists and all people of that sort have one thing in common. They all ultimately want one thing. I can tell you now that it isn’t the truth. And they sure as hell don’t want rational discourse. They are all out to get one thing: the satisfaction of their personal emotional needs.

These kinds of people did not come to their beliefs because they were convinced by a rational argument. They have either been taught these beliefs by their families, been convinced emotionally, or a combination of the two. The justifications and special pleadings only come after their conversion. This is why a rational argument isn’t going to convince them and neither is all the disconfirming evidence in the universe ever going to change their minds.

And the irrational, illogical, and unscientific nature of their beliefs becomes very clear when their last resort is to hide behind an argument that is unfalsifiable. For religious people it’s God and for 9/11 truthers and anti-vaccine conspiracists it’s a huge government scheme to create a world government or something equally ridiculous. This is usually followed up with an argument from ignorance such as, “You can’t prove that God doesn’t exist”.

This thought process often strikes me when I am about to make a comment in response to another comment or video on youtube made by these types of people. Is there a point in responding to people who don’t think logically? Sometimes I even write out the whole comment and immediately discard it afterwards because I know that I am just going to get a bunch of bullshit back. However, there are times when I feel that a point needs to be made.

The only way to get to these people seems to be an appeal to emotion. But, I am not willing to stoop to this level to convince people. I have more integrity than that.

I just tried to get into www.fivedoves.com and a the following message poped up. Please notice the Zeus technology signature.  Zeus is the Greek god that represents Satan.

Error 416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable

Powered by Zeus Technology

I wanted to wait a few days after seeing Antichrist before I actually put down my thoughts on it.

The thing I first must make clear is that I stayed away from spoilers before see the movie. I knew it was going to have some graphic images, but I had no idea what to expect.

!!MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW!!

The movie, which is directed by Lars Von Trier, is about a couple whose son, Nick, falls out of the window while they have sex. The grief of the nameless mother (Charlotte Gainsbourg) takes an abnormal turn and the nameless father (Willem Dafoe) tries to help his wife get through her grief since he is, quite conveniently, a psychiatrist.

Thus begins the slow progression into the depths of the mother’s grief. Along the journey we meet a deer giving birth, a talking fox (chaos reigns!), a black bird and witness about five too many angry sex scenes. Anyway, we learn that the mother is terrfied of this cabin in the woods where she and Nick spent his last summer before dying. It was at this cabin that the mother was writing her thesis. So they go to the cabin in the woods. The thesis was about the genocide of women, but as she did her research she began to believe that women deserved to suffer because they were of nature and nature was Satan’s church. So what I think the movie is trying to say is that women are the Antichrist.

Anyway the mother goes crazy. Like really crazy.

She destroys her husbands penis with a block of wood, which knocks him out, drills a hole through his leg and anchors a very hefty grindstone to the hole in his leg.

She runs off.

He wakes up.

He crawls out of the cabin, and manages to hide in the woods.

She comes back.

Sees that he’s gone.

Bitch goes crazy.

She runs through the woods trying to find him. Eventually she does. He’s hidden in a hole underneath a tree that they had previously had very angry sex on.

She screams at him to get out.

He won’t (duh, this bitch is crazy).

She tries to dig him out from the top, but can’t.

She calms down.

He comes out.

She tells him it isn’t time for him to die because the three beggars haven’t arrived (Huh?). She then loses her mind again and performs a, um, um, um, um, a, uh, uh, uh… clitoridectomy on herself. I know, right?!!?

Anyway he finds the wrench used to anchor the grindstone on his leg and takes the grindstone off, the three beggars show up (the deer, fox and black bird it turns out were the three beggars), and then he strangles the bitch.

SPOILERS END HERE

To say that this movie was a pleasant experience would be a lie. The idea that this woman believes that women deserve to suffer because they are of nature was a huge stretch. I know Lars Von Trier admitted that the movie only has the bare essentials of what most people would consider a plot, but that doesn’t mean that it’s okay, whether or not it is on purpose.

Having said that, the film was visually pleasing. The cinematography was fantastic, and at times extremely gorgeous. And Gainsbourg gave a star-making performance. The problem with giving such a great performance in such an adult film is that no one is going to see it. So despite her best actress win Cannes, she will still go unknown among the general population.

The movie is extremely flawed, but it is an experience. An experience that the majority of people would be turned off by, which is probably a good thing. I can’t see myself sitting through it again, but I also don’t regret sitting through it once. Graphic to the point of absurdity, with a plot that could be fully thought out on a sticky note elevated by a singular great performance and visually arresting camera-work, Antichrist is a big mixed bag.

**1/2

November 24, 2009 Lotto & Billionaires Proof Obama 666 antichrist

John Tng has written an article in fivedoves.com that again offers more proof that Obama is the 666 Antichrist.

Good job John may Jesus bless you greatly for your dedication to His name and Word. You have truly uncovered a multitude of encoded things pertaining to this lawless man.

Nando

http://twelvebooks.wordpress.com

http://www.fivedoves.com/rapture/2009/2009_signs.html

John Tng (24 Nov 2009)
“Supernatural SIGNS”

The hour is late. The stage is set for the grand entrance of the antichrist to begin the countdown to Armageddon. We are on the brink of the Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus 2000 years ago. The timing of the Apocalypse hinges on the revealing of the lawless one. Is he already in power? Has he begun pulling the levers of world politics to bring in global governance? Are there supernatural signs we can discern that point to him as the beast?

In accordance with Amos 3:7, God has not been silent. The unsealing of the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation is gathering pace even as the world hurtles towards the end of days at breakneck speed. God has spoken to many watchers in a multiplicity of ways — dreams & visions, insights & understanding of prophetic scriptures, and numbers & gematria. In this article, I want to share with you a few numbers that will totally blow you away. They originate from the most surprising of sources. The supernatural signs wrought by these numbers are only possible because God is able to order events and exercise sovereign control over the affairs of man. He is still the Boss.

SIGN #1: Lot 666

On the day Obama won the election and became the most powerful man in the world, the Illinois pick 3 lottery drawn was 666. (Obama was a senator of Illinois before election.) Many believe this is a SIGN. The sceptics, however, are none too impressed by this 666 lottery and poo poo the believers who seem to them to make much ado about nothing.

I dug a little deeper and came away convinced that this is indeed a sign from God. I did a search on past winning numbers and was shocked at what I found in the table below (see link).

The figures went as far back as 1980, presumably the year the pick 3 lottery or its records started. There were four 666 pick 3 winnings in 2008 — the year Obama got elected as the president of the United States! The last 666 winning number came out in the evening draw Nov 5, 2008, several hours after Obama won the election in the early hours on the same day. The frequency of the 666 pick in 2008 is unusually high compared to all other years, including 2009, which registers zero count so far.

Forget about math, statistics and probability. Just think with common sense. Why was there such an unusually high concentration of 666 winnings in Obama’s home state in 2008, the year he won the election? Out of the 366 days in 2008, of all days, why on the same day when Obama became president-elect, the 666 number was picked?

Why?

As I dug deeper, I became more and more astounded by the 666 lottery. If I didn’t know better, I would have attributed the enigma either to super-powerful global controllers or super-intelligent extraterrestrials, pulling strings from behind the scenes. But instead, I believe God has a hand in it. Consider this: The time of the evening draw is 9:22 p.m. (link), exactly 562 minutes after twelve noon. When 562 is added to the English gematria of OBAMA (60+2+1+40+1=104), the sum is 562 + 104 = 666 !!!

More coincidence of course!

Midday draws are at 12:40 p.m., or 40 minutes after twelve noon. Of the four 666 picks in 2008, THREE were drawn in the evening and ONE at midday; thus, the total duration in minutes after twelve noon is 562 + 562 + 562 + 40 = 1726.

I fell out of my chair when I saw the number!

1726 is the English gematria value of US PRESIDENT (933) BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (793) !!!!!! Four 666 picks were drawn at the PRECISE time to point to just one man, with the last 666 pick culminating on the day he won the election. Think about that.

Is this even possible?

But with God all things are possible. If we further consider the four mornings we excluded when we computed 1726, the total duration of the four mornings is 4 × 720 = 2880 minutes. This unbelievable total is the English gematria sum of US PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA (1154) and US PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (1726) !!!!!!

If God can open the mouth of Balaam’s donkey to convey His words, what makes you think He cannot use the lottery to send a message?

SIGN #2: Ye Rich Men, Weep and Howl

Shortly after Obama assumed office on Jan 20, 2009, an intriguing list of the world’s richest people published by FORBES (link) caught my eye:

The richest people in the world have gotten poorer, just like the rest of us. This year the world’s billionaires have an average net worth of $3 billion, down 23% in 12 months. The world now has 793 billionaires, down from 1,125 a year ago.
At the time of publication in March this year, the total number of billionaires in 2009 stood at 793. Observe that it is neither 792 or 794; it is 793 – the exact English gematria of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA !!!

The ‘coincidence’ is uncanny to say the least. But does it qualify to be a supernatural sign? Is it a valid sign or is it just an insignificant happenstance? When I took a relook at the FORBES figures, a sudden realization dawned on me ………..   In 2009, there are 793 billionaires, a significant drop from the 2008 figure, which is 1125, thanks to the financial crisis.

When I saw the number 1125, I fell out of my chair a second time!

The number 1125 did not mean a thing to me two months ago. I became acquainted with it only recently when I made my major discovery in the Genesis 1:1 Pyramid (link). The secret hidden in the G-Pyramid contains startling information on the election of Barack Hussein Obama (793), the 44th president of the United States in 2008. This ancient secret had been buried in the stones for six thousand years and only saw the light of day after its recent fulfillment. The errie precision of the code makes your hair stand on end. The man, the date, the year, down to the 56th term of office he is currently serving, are dead on.

Apparently six thousand years ago God already knew about the FORBES’ lists of world’s richest people for 2008 and 2009. But this is no big deal for the Omniscient. It is interesting that the billionaire figures are encoded in the OBAMA cluster in such a way as to suggest that he is the money lord of the world. Concerning the antichrist’s theft of the wealth of nations, Isaiah says, “And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs that are left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped.” (Isa 10:14)

The fact that knocks me over and blows me away is this: The black stone 793 (BHO) in the above pyramid illustration is in fact the blue stone 1125 !!!

BLUE STONE 1125 = BLACK STONE 793 !!!!!!
(Read this article for the stone color explanation.)

The FORBES billionaire figures for 2008 and 2009 are both captured in one fell swoop on one stone — the OBAMA stone! To top it all, the black vertical line (illustration above)  representing the 56th column (56th term of presidential office) passes through the blue stones 2008 and 2009 !!!

Can it be any clearer? Can we find a more fortuitous set of circumstances, events or people that can generate such a precise fit?

Hab 1:5 (NKJV)
Look among the nations and watch –
Be utterly astounded!
For I will work a work in your days
Which you would not believe, though it were told you.
Just like SIGN #1, the confirmation provided by SIGN #2 linking the OBAMA code in the Genesis Pyramid and the 1125 billionaires in 2008 & 793 billionaires in 2009, is unquestionably supernatural. Only the all-knowing God is able to foresee the future few thousand years ahead of time and conceal the information in advance for us to search out.

But what do the numbers point to other than the fact that Obama is somehow connected to the world’s richest people?

The simple equation below should dispel all doubts as to the intent of the code.

2008 = 883 + 1125
As reported by FORBES, there were 1125 billionaires in 2008. The difference between the year and the head count is 2008 – 1125 = 883. Is it serendipity, or pure randomness, or synchronicity, or whatever godless New Age mumbo-jumbo currently in vogue, or maybe just plain weirdness, that 883 just happens to be the English gematria of THE ANTICHRIST?

Go figure.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION ABOUT IT !

The lawless one is about to be revealed, doves. Just hang on a while longer and our excruciating wait will be over. But, meanwhile, fight the good fight of  faith, lay hold on eternal life, continue to occupy and put up with the flood of evil sweeping across the globe everywhere. It cannot be much longer. God’s patience is fast running out. He will not and cannot strive with reprobate men continually. Of this you can be sure: These men have exceeded the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah many times over.

IT’S ABOUT TIME, LORD!

John

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So wird es um die Zeit sein, wenn der Antichrist geboren wird von einer jüdischen Ordensfrau, einer falschen Jungfrau (d’une réligieuse hebraique, d’une fausse vierge), die mit der alten Schlange, dem Meister der Unzucht, im Bunde stehen wird. Sein Vater wird Bischof sein. Bei seiner Geburt wird er Gotteslästerungen ausspeien; er wird Zähne haben; mit einem Wort, dieser ist der fleischgewordene Teufel. Er wird in ein schreckliches Geschrei ausbrechen; er wird Wunder wirken, er wird sich nur von der Unzucht nähren. Er wird Brüder haben, die zwar nicht so wie er fleischgewordene Teufel, wohl aber Kinder des Bösen sind. Mit zwölf Jahren werden sie sich schon durch glänzende Siege, die sie davontragen, auszeichnen. Bald wird ein jeder von ihnen an der Spitze einer Armee sein, unterstützt von Legionen der Hölle.

Die Jahreszeiten werden sich verändern. Die Erde wird nur schlechte Früchte hervorbringen; die Sterne werden ihre regelmäßigen Bahnen verlassen. Der Mond wird nur ein schwaches rötliches Licht wiedergeben. Wasser und Feuer werden auf der Erde furchtbare Erdbeben und große Erschütterungen verursachen, welche Berge und Städte versinken lassen. Rom wird den Glauben verlieren und der Sitz des Antichrists werden. Die Dämonen der Luft werden mit dem Antichrist große Wunderdinge auf der Erde und in den Lüften wirken, und die Menschen werden immer schlechter werden. Gott wird für seine treuen Diener und die Menschen guten Willens sorgen. Das Evangelium wird überall gepredigt werden; alle Völker und alle Nationen werden Kenntnis von der Wahrheit haben.

Ich richte einen dringenden Aufruf an die Erde: Ich rufe auf die wahren Jünger Gottes, der in den Himmeln lebt und herrscht. Ich rufe auf die wahren Nachahmer des menschgewordenen Christus, des einzigen und wahren Erlösers der Menschen. Ich rufe auf meine Kinder, meine wahren Frommen; jene, die sich mir hingegeben haben, damit ich sie zu meinem göttlichen Sohne führe; jene, die ich sozusagen in meinen Armen trage; jene, die von meinem Geiste gelebt haben. Endlich rufe ich auf die Apostel der letzten Zeiten, die treuen Jünger Jesu Christi, die ein Leben geführt haben der Verachtung der Welt und ihrer selbst, in Armut und Demut, in Verachtung und in Schweigen, in Gebet und in Abtötung, in Keuschheit und in Vereinigung mit Gott, in Leiden und in Verborgenheit vor der Welt. Die Zeit ist da, daß sie ausziehen, um die Welt mit Licht zu erfüllen. Gehet und zeiget euch als meine geliebten Kinder. Ich bin mit euch und in euch, sofern euer Glaube das Licht ist, das euch in diesen Tagen der Drangsale erleuchtet. Euer Eifer macht euch hungrig nach dem Ruhm und der Ehre Jesu Christi. Kämpfet, Kinder des Lichtes, ihr, die kleine Zahl, die ihr sehend seid; denn die Zeit der Zeiten, das Ende der Enden ist da.

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Botschaft der Gottesmutter bei ihrer Erscheinung 1846 in La Salette/ Frankreich vor den Hirtenkindern Mélanie und Maximin. Der Auszug stammt aus dem Buch “Die große Botschaft von La Salette” von Johannes Maria Höcht, erschienen im Christiana-Verlag, 8260 Stein am Rhein/Schweiz

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Maximin und Mélanie

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/kevinh1123.htm

Kevin Heckle (23 Nov 2009)
“President Barack Hussein Obama II equals 666 x 3″

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Interesting, Kevin! Thanks!
John

Nando

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This article by Lisa Taylor was posted on fivedoves.com it is a very good critique of the articles that Ron Reese has written and published in five doves.

I can agree with most of her observations and conclusions.

Good article and a very proper way to show the weaknesses of an argument or train of thought from a very good fellow believer.

Nando

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/lisat1123.htm

Lisa Taylor (23 Nov 2009)
“To Ron Reese — I must disagree”

I must disagree with your interpretation of the timing of the Rapture based upon the Joseph narrative.  I too enjoy Biblical typology and have looked into the possible types connected to Joseph.

Please check out my post on this from June 24, 2009: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2009/lisat624.htm

Please note that Joseph already had a Gentile bride in the narrative.  Therefore, it is unlikely that his brothers also represent the Church.  If you read my post, you will see that I believe that the brothers are types for the 144,000 Jews, since they are the patriarchs of the 12 Tribes of Israel.  Their father Jacob is a type of Israel – which makes sense because God changed his name to Israel.

Logistically, the 144,000 Jews must come to the Lord prior to the nation Israel – to whom they will be witnessing.  Thus, the 2 and 5 year division of the 7 famine years could represent the point in the Tribulation when the they are sealed.

For reasons I will not get into here, I believe that there is a 10 year timeframe from the time of the Rapture to the Second Coming.  Consequently, I do not think we have to squeeze everything prior to a 2015 deadline.

Look, even if 2015 is a Jubilee year, you must remember that the fulfillment of the Year of Jubilee must be, by definition, one year long.  Therefore, the Second Coming cannot be the fulfillment of Jubilee.  At most, it could be an event that wraps up the Year.

I personally put Jubilee earlier in the Tribulation.  The Bible clearly states that Jesus begins to reign at the blowing of the Seventh Trumpet.  See Revelation 11:15-17.  This is at the mid-point of the Tribulation and prior to the Second Coming.  We are also given this statement in Revelation 10:7:  “But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

Jesus beginning His reign?  The mystery of God being accomplished?  This sure sounds like a good candidate for the start of the Year of Jubilee to me.

Please check out my post on this subject from July 27, 2009: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2009/lisat727.htm

Ron, I do not doubt your sincerity and personal sacrifice.  I fear, however, that you have gotten yourself so married to a 2015 Second Coming that you are jamming a square peg into a round hole.  You have officially started the Tribulation and talked yourself out of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture just to keep your position alive.  The events of the book of Revelation are not even remotely chronological to you.  And now you seem to be playing fast and loose with Biblical types.

If you need to do all of these things to make your position work, then maybe you need to reassess your position.  None of us are 100 percent correct.  And you are among friends here.  It is okay to admit that some things may need to be tweaked.

I do not intend to be harsh or to offend you.  But I believe you know that you have an impact on the opinions of many people – not just on this forum.  That is a grave responsibility.  Sure, a stopped watch could be a sign from God.  But I find that a position’s consistency with the Biblical text to be the ultimate proof that the position is of God.

God bless you.

– Lisa Taylor

This is part 2 of a video posted on YouTube by Nodoubt257, and it goes deeper into the subject of the Roman Catholic Church being Babylon, the Great Whore of the book of Revelations. In this video, the subject of Mariolatry (the worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus) is analyzed in depth, and the connection between Mary and the Queen of Heaven spoken of by the prophet Jeremiah is well established. Come out of her, My people, says the Lord!

November 23, 2009 Comments to Ron Reese (23 Nov 2009)

Ron Reese (23 Nov 2009)
“GENESIS 45–JOSEPH’S FAMINE WEEK–THE KEY TO UNLOCKING THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE!!“

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2009/ronr1123.htm

Ron has written a very good letter concerning Genesis Chapter 45.  The following points are things that I agree with Ron.

1)             Barack Hussein Obama is the Antichrist.

2)             The church will be present in the world to know the identity of the Antichrist. This is already a partial fait accompli thanks to John and all the other doves that have presented this evidence and to the Holy Spirit who works in all believers to recognize the Antichrist without the need to prove it as it has been done in fivedoves.

3)             The church is going to be removed before the sudden destruction.

4)             We both agree in the significance of the solar and lunar eclipses dates found by Pastor Mark Biltz as interviewed by J.R. Church, and the link obtained in BG Ellis site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuJYI6yoefg

I do not have any disagreement with his letter although at this point I am not 100 % sure that the October 29, 2008 Obama covenant is the seven year covenant referred to in Daniel.

The comparison to the seven years of famine can be correct in my opinion even if the start of the tribulation is not on date of October 29, 2008.

One thing I want to point out about a type in the Old Testament that I think has a direct link to our time is Genesis 19

¹ The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. ² “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”

³ But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. ⁴ Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. ⁵ They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

⁶ Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him ⁷ and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. ⁸ Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

⁹ “Get out of our way,” they replied. And they said, “This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

¹⁰ But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. ¹¹ Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

¹² The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, ¹³ because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”

¹⁴ So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry ^[a] his daughters. He said, “Hurry and get out of this place, because the LORD is about to destroy the city!” But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.

¹⁵ With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.”

¹⁶ When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the LORD was merciful to them. ¹⁷ As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, “Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!”

The Lord referred to this in Luke Chapter 17

²⁶“Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. ²⁷People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

²⁸“It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. ²⁹But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

³⁰“It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. ³¹On that day no one who is on the roof of his house, with his goods inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. ³²Remember Lot’s wife! ³³Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. ³⁴I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. ³⁵Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”^[d]

Please notice that the two angels could be a type of the two witnesses who were sent with the purpose of warning Lot and his family of the impending judgment. They were sent to destroy the cities and to warn the just.

So my question keeps insisting in my head, where are the two witnesses? The answers that some doves have given are appreciated, but I do not believe that they are correct.

It is a very good article Ron, and I am not a scholar just a student with an inquisitive mind  and a heart full of love for the Word.

Nando

http://twelvebooks.wordpress.com

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