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<title><![CDATA[Struggling with criticism...]]></title>
<link>http://fattoaster.wordpress.com/2009/12/22/struggling-with-criticism/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[I recently read this blog post by author Brian Mclaren and it helped me a lot. I find that when in m]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>I recently read this blog post by author Brian Mclaren and it helped me a lot. I find that when in ministry you become an easy target for people to fire at&#8230; and despite repeated mantras of &#8220;It&#8217;s almost never about you,&#8221; or &#8220;Don&#8217;t take it personally,&#8221; it is still an ongoing struggle to absorb that kind of &#8220;surprisingly vicious, factually irresponsible, and admirably persistent&#8221; criticism (quote per Brian&#8217;s post). Hope this helps you as much as it did me!</p>
<p>Enjoy!<br />
<a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/q-r-on-liberal-and-conservative.html" target="_blank">http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/q-r-on-liberal-and-conservative.html</a></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Very Different Reviews on Brian Mclaren]]></title>
<link>http://firstjohnfourfive.wordpress.com/2009/12/22/very-different-reviews-on-brian-mclaren/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Very different reviews of Everything Must Change &amp; Brian Mclaren. Hearts &amp; Minds Books: (by ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><a href="http://firstjohnfourfive.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/mclaren.jpg"><span style="color:#000080;"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1531" title="mclaren" src="http://firstjohnfourfive.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/mclaren.jpg" alt="" width="280" height="210" /></span></a><span style="color:#000080;">Very different reviews of <em>Everything Must Change &#38; </em>Brian Mclaren</span><em>.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.heartsandmindsbooks.com/">Hearts &#38; Minds Books:</a> (by Byron Borger)</p>
<blockquote><p>Yet, despite a hefty speaking engagement set for tomorrow morning&#8212;and more books to set up, first&#8212;I just have to tell you about two new items that we got in the store today. They have brought me joy and some hope, even amidst my goofy mood.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/">Brian Mclaren&#8217;s </a>long-awaiting new book arrived, a bit earlier than I had expected. It is called Everything Must Change: Jesus, Global Crisis and a Revolution of Hope (Word; $21.99.) I have been carrying around a beat-up early draft for a while, now, and have been itching to write about it, and now, the time has come, and I don&#8217;t have time or energy. Still, this is not a sleep-deprived rant, but a well-considered evaluation: this really, really, is a very, very important book. <a href="http://heartsandmindsbooknotes.blogspot.com/2007/09/everything-must-change.html">Read the entire article</a>.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Emergent Village: <a href="http://www.emergentvillage.com/podcast/brian-mclaren-everything-must-change">Tony Jones interviews Brian Mclaren</a>.</p>
<p>Brian Mclaren and the Dangers of the Emergent Church</p>
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<p>Gary Gilley Reviews: <a href="http://apprising.org/2009/10/07/gary-gilley-reviews-everything-must-change-by-brian-mclaren/">Everything Must Change</a></p>
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<title><![CDATA[A Taste of Brian McLaren's Theology]]></title>
<link>http://firstjohnfourfive.wordpress.com/2009/12/21/a-taste-of-brian-mclarens-theology/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>judy</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Warning &#8212; If you are Emergent leaning &#8212; you will be offended and probably a little angry]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[X-Men]]></title>
<link>http://nazarenepsalm113.wordpress.com/2009/12/21/x-men/</link>
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<description><![CDATA[Marked for life: discernment ministry in light of Ezekiel 9:1-11 By Pastor Larry DeBruyn Someone onc]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Marked for life: discernment ministry in light of Ezekiel 9:1-11</p>
<div>By Pastor Larry DeBruyn</div>
<div><strong>S</strong>omeone once said that sin is as much a breaking of God&#8217;s heart as it is the breaking of His Law. When God looked down on the perversity of the people on earth before the Deluge, it was recorded that He<em>&#8220;was grieved in His heart&#8221;</em> (Genesis 6:6b). When confronted by resident wickedness both without and within the professing church, Christians can manifest one of three reactions: approval (1 Corinthians 5:2), indifference (Zephaniah 1:12), or disapproval as indicated by the presence of either anger (Psalm 119:53) or grief (Psalm 119:136). So the question becomes, as we see the worldliness-wickedness invading the church, how do we feel about it? Are agitated by, indifferent to, or accommodating of it?</div>
<div>Not unlike the society and church of our times, during Ezekiel&#8217;s ministry Judah found herself in a moral and spiritual &#8220;melt down.&#8221; Fraud, violence, adultery, and idolatry were running rampant amongst God&#8217;s chosen people. Idols had been set up in the Temple (Ezekiel 8:17; 9:9). From his location in Babylon, the Lord took Ezekiel on a virtual reality tour of the Temple, the place where on the Mercy Seat beneath the Cherubim, God&#8217;s Shekinah glory was to have been seated (Ezekiel 8:4). What he saw in that place of worship stunned the prophet. On his guided tour of the inner court, the Lord showed the prophet where <strong>first</strong> the people had substituted an idol image for Yahweh; where <strong>second</strong>, the elders worshiped animals; where <strong>third</strong>, the women sobbed over the death of Tammuz, a mythological fertility god who had married the Egyptian goddess Ishtar; and where <strong>fourth</strong>, the priests worshiped the sun (Ezekiel 8:5-18). Up-close and personal, the prophet saw how the nation had abominated into apostasy, how Israel had turned from worshiping the Creator to idolizing the creation and its creatures (See Romans 1:21-23.).</div>
<div>Yet in the midst of all those &#8220;alternative spiritualities,&#8221; and like the remnant of Elijah&#8217;s day who refused to bow their knee to Baal and kiss the idol god (1 Kings 19:18), some believers preserved themselves to be holy unto the Lord. So the Lord instructed the angel dressed in white to mark an <strong>&#8220;X&#8221;</strong> on the foreheads of the faithful, a mark that would spare them from the coming divine judgment (circa 600 BC).[1]Most have heard about <strong>&#8220;the mark of the beast&#8221;</strong>, the mark the deceived will receive at the end of the age, an identity without which they will neither be able to buy or sell (Revelation 14:9-12). The prophet Ezekiel wrote about a different mark, an <strong>&#8220;X&#8221;</strong> that was to be written on the foreheads of those in Judah who had refused to go along with the popular spiritual trends of that day. The <strong>&#8220;X&#8221;</strong> would spare them from the coming divine wrath. So the Lord instructed the angel: <em>&#8220;Go through the midst of the city, even through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations which are being committed in its midst&#8221;</em> (Ezekiel 9:4).</div>
<div>Pause with me . . . for a moment let&#8217;s project back to that era and ask ourselves the following question: <strong>If we had been alive in Ezekiel&#8217;s day, would the angel have marked us to be spared from divine judgment?</strong></div>
<div>It was a remnant who strongly disapproved of the apostasy of the majority. In the words of the Lord, they groaned and sighed over the<em>&#8220;abominations&#8221;</em> (Ezekiel 8:6, 9, 13, 15, 17; 9:4) they saw being committed in the name of religion in their midst. What they saw sickened them to the core of their spiritual and emotional being. Would the angel have marked us if we had lived in that day? We should check out our feelings. Charles Feinberg observed: &#8220;Grief is always the portion of those who know the Lord in an evil day. The marked ones were penitent and faithful at a time of widespread departure from the will of the Lord.&#8221;[2] Another commentator adds that the criterion for receiving the mark was &#8220;an affair of the heart&#8211;a passionate concern for God and His people. Failing that, there was no mark . . .&#8221;[3]</div>
<div>Some in the mainstream Christian media have called those involved in discernment ministry &#8220;Christian attack dogs.&#8221;[4] Maybe a better metaphor-label would be &#8220;Christian guard dogs&#8221;! Discerners so love their Master (i.e., the Lord Jesus Christ) and His Bride (i.e., the church) that they agonize to protect His truth and her purity.</div>
<div>Allow me to propose a litmus test as to whether or not we might have been marked in Ezekiel&#8217;s day.But before asking some questions, we should note the Apostle Peter&#8217;s warning: &#8221;But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you&#8221;(2 Peter 2:1; Compare Matthew 7:13-15; Jude 17-19.).</div>
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<li>Based upon Peter&#8217;s prediction, does the worldliness that is invading the church bother us? (James 4:4)</li>
<li>Does it concern us when we see churches being manipulated by the mechanics of church growth, when the end of growth justifies <strong>any means</strong> to achieve it? (2 Corinthians 2:17)</li>
<li>Does it bother our souls to see the goal of growth eclipsing Gospel, to see methods employed usurping the Message preached? (Romans 1:16)</li>
<li>Does it grieve us to observe the church believing God&#8217;s truth less while enjoying &#8220;worship celebrations&#8221; more? (Matthew 15:8-9)</li>
<li>Does the rampant immorality amongst professing evangelicals cause us to sigh? (1 Corinthians 5:2)</li>
<li>Were you bothered a few years ago when one evangelical leader, who led a movement in his state to preserve the institution of traditional marriage, was cornered into admitting that he solicited sex from a male prostitute? (Jeremiah 23:14)</li>
<li>Do false teachers with their strange and unbiblical teachings annoy you? (Revelation 2:2)</li>
<li>Given our media age, does the development of the personality cults around evangelical leaders and speakers, where appearance and a schmoozing style trump substance, concern us? (1 Corinthians 1:12; 2 Peter 2:3; Jude 16)</li>
<li>Are some of us even unaware that there are such critters as false teachers who stupefy their followers with their heretical teachings? (Romans 16:17)</li>
<li>Does it upset us to see the Christian faith being publicly maligned for reason of the immoral behavior and unbiblical teachings prevalent amongst professing evangelicals? (2 Peter 2:2)</li>
<li>In short, are we discerners? (Hebrews 5:14)</li>
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<div>If we are not, then we should not expect to be marked.</div>
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<div>Well, you might be asking, how can we know whether or not a person is a false teacher? Through Jeremiah the Lord provided this description of false prophets: <em>&#8220;The prophets are prophesying falsehood in My name. I have neither sent them nor commanded them nor spoken to them; they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds&#8221;</em> (Jeremiah 14:14). Of such prophets Jeremiah said that, <em>&#8220;They speak a vision of their own imagination, not from the mouth of the Lord&#8221; </em>(Jeremiah 23:16b).</div>
<div>Again, I ask you, do you know of any false prophets today? You may protest the question saying, &#8220;Well, I know men who speak for God who are true.&#8221; But that&#8217;s not the question. Do you know any false teachers? I know this is a discomforting question&#8211;but do you? If you don&#8217;t, I would say that you have a very grave problem . . . a very grave problem indeed. And it is this: You may not value God&#8217;s truth enough to know what it is and thereby be incapable of discerning <em>&#8220;the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error&#8221; </em>(1 John 4:4-6).</div>
<div>From his study of human history, a famous historian once remarked how he observed that the majority was seldom right. Jesus agreed. He said: <em>&#8220;Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it.&#8221;</em>He continued to say, <em>&#8220;For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it.&#8221;</em> Then the Lord concluded:<em>&#8220;Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep&#8217;s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves&#8221;</em> (Matthew 7:13-15).</div>
<div>Interesting, isn&#8217;t it . . . that the Lord warned the multitudes to watch out for false prophets in the very context in which He differentiated the way of the majority from the Way of the minority. Jesus knew that to their own destruction the majority will follow the way of the false prophets and teachers. They will not be marked out for salvation. They will not be &#8220;<strong>X-Men&#8221;</strong>. Like the compromisers of Ezekiel&#8217;s day, they went along to get along.</div>
<div>So allow me to ask you again: Dear Reader, do you know of any false prophets around today, or are you living in denial, in &#8220;a spiritual never-never land&#8221;? Will you choose to remain unwarned by the very warning that Jesus and the rest of the prophets and apostles warned you about; mainly, that false prophets and teachers will arise who will lead multitudes to walk the broad way leading to destruction? Remember: Seldom is the majority right.</div>
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For any Christians concerned to discern, they may be comforted to know they&#8217;re taking the narrow Way. A spirit of discernment is symptomatic of true faith. The Lord&#8217;s sheep care, yes, even <em>&#8220;sigh and groan&#8221;</em> when they see fellow evangelicals lapsing into worldliness and ungodliness. Goats however, are unmoved (Matthew 25:31-46). Yet the caring can be comforted to know that their discernment evidences their solidarity with the One who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Being concerned to discern marks them out&#8211; <strong>&#8220;X&#8221;</strong> &#8212; as true believers (See 1 John 2:18-24.). Yet the overriding emotion of discernment ought to be that of grief. Yes, there may be a time for anger. God gets angry. He was with Ezekiel&#8217;s generation, so much so that after He had told the angel in white to mark the believing remnant, the Lord instructed the other six angels, <em>&#8220;Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.&#8221;</em>(Ezekiel 9:5b-6). Yet we must remember that, <em>&#8220;the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God&#8221;</em> (James 1:20).</div>
<div>So it&#8217;s truly a sad day when we see those professing to know God believing and behaving as if they do not. So it&#8217;s significant to note that the divine judgment was to begin in the sanctuary and then work its way out through Jerusalem and the rest of the entire nation (Compare 1 Peter 4:17.). This order of judgment compelled Paul to command the congregation at Rome: <em>&#8220;Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple&#8221;</em> (Romans 16:17-18, KJV). But if we are to engage in such marking, we ought to be reminded that the accompanying emotion ought to be one of grief. Yet we ought also to be reminded that in the end those who refuse to mark false teachers may not be marked by the Lord to be spared divine judgment.</div>
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<div>Used with permission. Reformatted slightly for blog posting.</p>
<p><strong>ENDNOTES</strong><br />
[1] Charles Lee Feinberg, <em>The Prophecy of Ezekiel</em> (Chicago: Moody Press, 1969) 55.<br />
[2] The mark was the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet, a <em>taw</em> (i.e., the Hebrew &#8220;T&#8221;). Early Christian commentators noted that often the last letter was written as an &#8220;X&#8221; that could substitute for a person&#8217;s signature. See John B. Taylor, <em>Ezekiel</em> (Downers Grove: Inter-Varsity Press, 1969)103.The marking of the faithful finds precedent at the time of Israel&#8217;s exodus from Egypt when at the first Passover the Lord instructed the Israelites to &#8221;take some of the blood and put it on the two door posts and on the lintel of the houses in which they eat it,&#8221; after which He explained: &#8221;And the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you live; and when I see the blood I will pass over you, and no plague will befall you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt&#8221; (Exodus 12:7, 13).<br />
[3] Ibid. 102.<br />
[4] David Aikman, &#8220;Attack Dogs of Christendom,&#8221; <em>Christianity Today</em>, August, 2007, 52. Aikman writes: &#8220;By all means criticize fellow Christians if necessary, but do so with grace.&#8221; Real discerners do it with a sigh and a groan.</div>
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<link>http://firstjohnfourfive.wordpress.com/2009/12/19/chris-seay-emergent-from-the-roots-up/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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<p><em><span style="color:#993300;"><strong>How did Emergents Start?   &#8212; from Brian Mclaren</strong></span></em></p>
<blockquote><p>Emergent grew out of the Young Leader Networks, which was launched in the mid-90’s by Leadership Network, a Dallas-based foundation. Doug Pagitt, <strong><a href="http://www.jubileeconference.com/#/chris-seay/">Chris Seay,</a></strong> Andrew Jones, Brad Smith, and others were involved before I was, and they did a great job of setting a tone and direction for the emergent conversation. <a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/000226.html">(Online source)</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong><span style="color:#993300;">Emerging conference:  Christianity 21: Faith in the 21st Century. &#8211; Doug Pagitt says:</span></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>[Christianity 21] is quickly shaping up to be one of the most important Emerging Church events of the year. Utilizing innovative adult learning approaches, creative use of speakers and media, interactive design, cutting edge thinking from the nation’s top religious thinkers &#38; community practioners, a rarely assembled network of attendees, and an unusually economical price this event is one you will not want to miss.</p>
<p>Consider joining these attendees and hundreds more at <em>Christianity 21</em>:<br />
Shane Claiborne, <strong>Chris Seay</strong>, Tim Conder, Mark Scandrette, Becky Pierson,  Shane Hipps, Tony Jones,… <a href="http://dougpagitt.com/2009/05/shaping-up-to-be-the-best-event-of-the-year/">(Online source)</a></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#993300;"><strong>The Evolving Church:</strong></span><br />
Brian Mclaren, <a href="http://www.donaldmillerwords.com/index.php">Donald Miller </a>(CCO/Jubilee Speaker, 2008), <a href="http://www.jubileeconference.com/#/chris-seay/">Chris Seay </a>(CCO/Jubilee Speaker, 2010)</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><em>&#8220;Christ is here to meet your great true needs.&#8221;</em> &#8212; Chris Seay</p>
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<link>http://truthinator.wordpress.com/2009/12/18/daily-truth-bible-study-acts-922-43-part-1/</link>
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<p>Daily Truth Bible Study  Acts 9:22-43   Let us continue to follow what God is doing in the Church during its formation. How does this compare with what is happening in the &#8220;church&#8221; today?</p>
<p>Verse 22 tells us that Saul/Paul confounded the Jews who lived in Damascus proving that Jesus is the Christ. Now we know that it was not the lesser of the Jews he was confounding because, in every other situation we have seen, the leadership of the Jews is always out in front of the confrontation. It was true in the very beginning. The Jews who were leading the battle against Jesus were the leadership and that continued. So do not think that Saul/Paul was sneaking around and talking to the lowest level of Jew only. He was confounding the leadership and proving that Jesus was indeed who He had said He was.</p>
<p>How did Saul/Paul do this? I would say that he did it the same way he continued to do it throughout his ministry. He taught that Jesus is the Son of God who died, rose, and ascended to be with the Father. He taught that there is salvation in no other name except Jesus. This is the same message Paul taught throughout his ministry. The power of God was also involved without question. God&#8217;s power was at work to accomplish His purpose. Saul/Paul was only as able as God made him to be.</p>
<p>Now, I would like to combat the thought popular today that &#8220;since modern people do not want to hear about doctrine, we need to be relevant to them and meet them where they live&#8221;. This type of thinking is bankrupt. It implies that God and His word is not relevant unless man gives it the right to be. This is an abomination! God is Holy, Holy, Holy. He is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-encompassing. He determines what is relevant.</p>
<p>The &#8220;relevance to the world&#8221; crowd are working from the belief that man is sovereign in determining whether or not he will accept God. They may not admit it but it is true. Why else would a person think it necessary to the relevant to a group in order to tell the group what it needs to hear? They are trying to get the group&#8217;s approval or buy-in.</p>
<p>We have already covered the fact that God is sovereign and determines those who will be saved and is justified in doing so. God predetermines and calls those who will be saved unto Himself. This is why God is always relevant. People need to hear the truth so the elect will come to God in repentance (which is a sign they are the elect). </p>
<p>Saul/Paul could talk the talk and reason with the educated. He was a well-educated pharisee before his conversion. If he had wanted, he could have argued Jewish beliefs all day long. As an educated man, he could have also argued Roman politics and world events. He did not do this however. He preached Christ alone as the savior of the world.</p>
<p>Next, look at verse 23. After many days, the Jews plotted to kill him. Here we go again. Not much has changed. The Jews realized they were in trouble of loosing their hold over the people. Saul/Paul&#8217;s message threatened to undo their religious system. Their hardened hearts were not capable of repenting (apparently) and thus they planned to kill the messenger so as to remove the problem.</p>
<p>Wow, what a religion! They could not win the argument with facts and they did not apparently have a great deal of faith in their religion so they plotted to kill Saul/Paul to quiet him.</p>
<p>What does this tell you about Saul/Paul and his message. There was real power there. If not, would the Jews desire to kill? Maybe. Saul/Paul&#8217;s message was considered blasphemous to them. However, watch how they planned to kill him. They were not planning to walk up to him and kill him publicly. They waited at the gates to catch him. This may suggest the Jews were not acting with the popular opinion of the population of the area.</p>
<p>Regardless of the exact reason for their plans, Saul/Paul was not to be stopped. God made a way for his escape. Saul/Paul was a force to be feared by the Jews. He carried the message of redemption to his part of the world.  </p>
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<link>http://thisfragiletent.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/rambo-hollywood-and-war/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Chris Goan</dc:creator>
<guid>http://thisfragiletent.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/rambo-hollywood-and-war/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Rambo III was on this evening. I flicked past it, and found my eyebrows shooting upwards. I have nev]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Brian McLaren on Obama's Nobel Speech]]></title>
<link>http://natewigfield.com/2009/12/17/brian-mclaren-on-obamas-nobel-speech/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
<guid>http://natewigfield.com/2009/12/17/brian-mclaren-on-obamas-nobel-speech/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[The following is an excerpt from an excellent post on the God&#8217;s Politics blog over at sojo.net]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[I'm Tired of Popular Books]]></title>
<link>http://newleaven.com/2009/12/17/im-tired-of-popular-books/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>T.C. R</dc:creator>
<guid>http://newleaven.com/2009/12/17/im-tired-of-popular-books/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I can&#8217;t tell you how many popular books I have that I&#8217;ve read, never read, and will neve]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>I can&#8217;t tell you how many <em>popular</em> books I have that I&#8217;ve read, never read, and will never reread.  </p>
<p><em>Popular</em> Christian books are those that make the <em>New York Times Bestseller list</em>.  They are often written by people like Max Lucado, John Eldredge, Joel Osteen, TD Jakes, Philip Yancey, Charles Stanley, et al.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://nleaven.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/new-004.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-5533" src="http://nleaven.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/new-004.jpg" alt="" width="216" height="162" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>~ They Make for Lovely Decorations ~</strong></p>
<p>Though we see each other quite often, I don&#8217;t think we like each other that much.  We&#8217;ve grown apart.</p>
<p>In fact, I think my nerves will be at peace when they <em>leave</em>.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Deep Church #4 - Have Emergents Lost the Core of the Gospel?]]></title>
<link>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/12/16/deep-church-4-have-emergents-lost-the-core-of-the-gospel/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[(This is the fourth post in a series examining the thoughts of Deep Church by Jim Belcher. Jim has w]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><em>(This is the fourth post in a series examining the thoughts of Deep Church by Jim Belcher. Jim has written this book in an effort to offer a Third Way beyond the Emerging and Traditional Churches and the increasing divide between the two)</em></p>
<p>The most frequent charge I hear against the emerging church, leveled especially at its most well known leaders, is that their theology has become un-Biblical because of their view of the atonement. Specifically, there is a charge that emergents have rejected or downplayed the significance of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitutionary_atonement" target="_blank">penal substitutionary theory of atonement</a>.</p>
<p>In brief, this theory states that Jesus&#8217; work on the cross was willingly and intentionally Jesus exchanging his life as a payment for our sins. This substitution allows us then to enter into right relationship with God through a payment we could not have made on our own. Jesus suffered and was punished on our behalf, a punishment that was necessary based on our sinfulness.</p>
<p>In Deep Church Belcher delves into his own struggles with the traditional churches handling of the gospel, his struggles with emergent theology of atonement, and tries to find balance between the two. His charge, that many have made of the traditional church over the past hundred years is that salvation has become far too individualized. We talk about Jesus&#8217; death on the cross as if it was simply a way to get us to heaven. We believe, we are saved, and we are saved from hell end of the story. But the primary focus of Jesus&#8217; teaching was on the Kingdom of God and how Jesus came to offer hope for a better life right now. This is a hope that carries us into a glorious future when he returns, but his death on the cross wasn&#8217;t to give us fire insurance.</p>
<p>Reacting to this reduction of the gospel, that stripped out much of the theology of the kingdom of God from the traditional church, emergents and plenty of traditionalists alike have worked to bring kingdom theology back into the Gospel. The charge against the emerging church, however, has been that they have gone the way of liberalism and grabbed a social gospel that doesn&#8217;t need the cross and abandons Christ&#8217;s work on the cross. Is this a fair charge?</p>
<p>Belcher thinks it is an unfair charge that is leveled at emergents especially Brian McLaren. McLaren fully embraces the need for personal salvation through the blood of Jesus. But Belcher believes that some of the theology coming out of the emerging church has lost the importance of substitutionary theories of atonement. He contends that it is in fact Christ&#8217;s work to pay for our sin that allows him to usher in the Kingdom of God and to subdue the powers of evil at work in this world. Kingdom theology stresses Christ&#8217;s dominion over this world and his work to redeem and subdue evil, but without the justification that comes through his work on the cross this is not possible.</p>
<p>Of all the sections of the book, this is perhaps the most interesting aspect of Belcher&#8217;s work. In his search for a third way, a path of unity for emergents and traditionalists, he is working to demonstrate how a life of true kingdom living is most appropriately based in a belief in the substitutionary work of Christ on the cross. He contends that traditionalists have often erred in not realizing that the outcome of satisfied punishment is not just forgiveness but redemption and restoration and that emergents have erred if they have tried to root kingdom living in theology outside of blood of Christ as a substitution for our sins.</p>
<p>I think Belcher is on to something in this section of the book, working to do fair justice to both sides of the aisle, but I am not sure there is a problem with most emergents having lost a belief in substitutionary atonement. But there has been such a strong reaction against the church on this issue as a litmus test of orthodoxy that a group of people who are naturally anti-establishment have fought back in an unnecessary battle.</p>
<p>The atonement is a multifaceted mystery of God&#8217;s love for it. I would contend that scripture strongly supports substitutionary atonement, but I would also contend that it supports other theories and aspects of the atonement that are vital to us embracing the fullness of the gospel and to live fruitfully in the kingdom of God. Substitutionary atonement is at the center of our understanding of Christ&#8217;s work on the cross but we can understand this part of the atonement and still miss out of the fullness of the gospel. This is an area in which emergents and traditionalists are wise to listen humbly to one another and seek a way forward together.</p>
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<link>http://emergingyouth.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/postmodern-youth-ministry-a-review/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>emergingyouth</dc:creator>
<guid>http://emergingyouth.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/postmodern-youth-ministry-a-review/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I first read Tony Jone&#8217;s book Postmodern Youth Ministry during my last year of undergrad studi]]></description>
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<link>http://stephenwillcox.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/a-question-for-the-emergent/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
<guid>http://stephenwillcox.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/a-question-for-the-emergent/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[21 From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many thi]]></description>
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<p>From what I gather on blogs, books, and discussions with Emergent people,  at worst the doctrine of Penal Substitutionary Atonement is not essential to the faith of Christians or at best is not as important as feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, healing the sick, and giving to the poor.</p>
<p><em><strong>So why did in this passage Jesus see it necessary that He die on a cross and rise from the dead and ascend into heaven; and not only necessary, but as  far more important than Him sticking around forever and just going around the world healing everyone? </strong></em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s what Peter wanted.  For Jesus to set up some earthly kingdom where everything was all better.  Jesus refers to Peter&#8217;s thinking as that of the Devil.</p>
<p>Jesus&#8217; healings, miracles, and everything else were not a end in them self.  Jesus did not heal to simply heal.  If that were the case He would not have rejected some to being healed (Matthew 13:38).  But rather He did so to point everyone to HIM.  He was the Christ, the Son of God who had come to deliver sinners from sin and wrath so that they may worship Him.</p>
<p><strong>Yes poverty is sad.  So is sickness, nakedness, and hunger.  And we should strive to help those in need!  But those are not mankind&#8217;s greatest threats.  The wrath of God is.  That is why Jesus&#8217; primary concern was His death, resurrection, and ascension.  Because it is not our social work or justice that saves but Jesus&#8217; work alone that  truly saves. </strong></p>
<p>Let us hear Jesus&#8217; rebuke on Peter afresh and learn, &#8220;Get behind me, Satan! You are <em><sup><a name="_ftnref7" href="post-new.php#_ftn7"></a></sup></em>a hindrance﻿<em><sup><a name="_ftnref8" href="post-new.php#_ftn8"></a></sup></em> to me. <em>For you <em><sup><a name="_ftnref9" href="post-new.php#_ftn9"></a></sup></em>are <strong>not </strong>setting your mind on the things of God, <strong>but</strong> on the things of man.</em>&#8220;</p>
<p>-Blessings</p>
<p>Stephen</p>
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<link>http://taddelay.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/the-justice-project/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>taddelay</dc:creator>
<guid>http://taddelay.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/the-justice-project/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[New book recommendation:  The Justice Project Edited by Brian McLaren, Elisa Padilla, and Ashley Bun]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>New book recommendation:  <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Justice-Project-Brian-McLaren/dp/0801013283">The Justice Project</a></em></p>
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<p><a href="http://taddelay.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/screen_shot_2009-11-02_at_11-20_-37_am_.png"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2584" title="Screen_shot_2009-11-02_at_11.20_.37_AM_" src="http://taddelay.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/screen_shot_2009-11-02_at_11-20_-37_am_.png?w=203" alt="" width="203" height="300" /></a>Edited by Brian McLaren, Elisa Padilla, and Ashley Bunting Seeber, is a eye-opening follow-up to <em>The Emergent Manifesto of Hope</em>.  It continues the theme of approaching a topic, Justice, from an array of voices.  While there were notables such as Tony Jones, Doug Pagitt, Peggy Campolo, and Lynne Hybels, the book mostly consisted of names I’d never heard of, activists working to challenge the status quo from their niches</p>
<p>It was that broad range of experiences that drew me in.  A chapter by Peggy Campolo challenged me with a story of a gay-affirming church here in Arkansas, as well as challenging the typical notion of what “Biblical family values” really are.  Her son Bart explained why campaign finance reform might just be the most important political “Justice” issue out there.  One writer told of her experience in a barely post-Civil Rights black church, which looked up to MLK, Jr. they way we look up to Jesus, and this backed up nicely to stories from South Africa where white anti-Apartheid advocates feared the suspicious, “accidentally” fatal car incidents with cops.  Then a description of Just Conservatism and Just Liberalism.  Samir Selmanovic, author of the newly released<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Its-Really-All-About-God/dp/0470433264/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1260935139&#38;sr=1-1"> </a><em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Its-Really-All-About-God/dp/0470433264/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1260935139&#38;sr=1-1">It&#8217;s Really All About God: Reflections of a Muslim Atheist Jewish Christian</a></em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Its-Really-All-About-God/dp/0470433264/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1260935139&#38;sr=1-1"> </a>has a provocative piece on decolonizing God&#8217;s name.</p>
<p>Particular sections where particularly biting.  The entire book was absolutely replete with Scripture.  An early chapter asks if capitalism can be just.  Has there ever been an economic system that paradoxically produced more good while at the same time producing such imbalance of wealth?  A definition of justice is in order, given that we have to decide whether Justice is distributive or redistributive; is Justice starting where we all are and going from there, or is it inherently redistributing and hence imbalanced against those who start off with more.  The West has traditionally ran with the former while the Tanak inarguably aims at the latter.  The question is whether or not a capitalistic system which, while creating a great deal of good, inevitably creates inequality is a redemptive system.  That takes it pretty far, maybe beyond what I am comfortable with, but it does strike me as true that there will be no room for any inequality in God’s economy.</p>
<p>Then cut to a discussion on immigration reform in which a Latino writer recounts a discussion with a friend.  One asks the other if he also carries his ID with him in his sock whenever he leaves the house so much as just to jog.  It’s a world I cannot imagine, where naturalized citizens of the US live in fear of illegal deportation because of the stories they heard about the unlucky neighbor who forgot his drivers license when jogging.  That neighbor is picked up, presumed illegal, detained and/or deported away from his family.  The author barely has to imply the Scriptures that call for lavish welcoming of the squatter immigrants among us.  It challenged me because I know we need serious immigration reform and laws to guide us.  But I also know that Scripture holds up this ideal for sheltering the alien that many of us consider simply too idealistic.  Maybe it is, but it is Just.</p>
<p>Just ecology.  Just land.  Just business.  Justice in the slums.  Justice in the suburbs.  Just parenting.  Just Trade.  Just church-planting.  Justice in religion.  Justice in racial issues. Just elections.  Just family values.  Prophetic Justice.</p>
<p>This is one of those books that has perspectives that anyone but the most hardened ideologue will have their heart melted by.  I’m really encouraged to see the awakening of much of the church to the Biblical primacy of Justice as integral to the Gospel.  The church’s Justice awakening has gained such a tide that there is even now <a href="http://taddelay.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/a-gospel-beyond-justice/">a resistance to it by Christians who feel we should drop such emphasis on Justice and &#8220;get back to Jesus.&#8221;</a> <em>The Justice Project</em> is one of those books that reminds me why that perspective isn’t much good news at all.  It’s got a perspective to unsettle, teach, encourage, anger, and give hope to anyone.</p>
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<link>http://realchristianity.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/a-collosal-fraud/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Alan Higgins</dc:creator>
<guid>http://realchristianity.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/a-collosal-fraud/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Below is another article writtem before  Unholy Trinity, which I believe hits the nail right on the ]]></description>
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<p><strong>(By John MacArthur)</strong></p>
<p><em>Former NASDAQ chairman Bernie Madoff ran a ponzi-scheme swindle for nearly 20 years, and he bilked an estimated $18 billion from Wall-Street investors. When the scam finally came to light it unleashed a shockwave of outrage around the world. It was the largest and most far-reaching investment fraud ever.</em></p>
<p><em>But the evil of Madoff&#8217;s embezzlement pales by comparison to an even more diabolical fraud being carried out in the name of Christ under the bright lights of television cameras on religious networks worldwide every single day. Faith healers and prosperity preachers promise miracles in return for money, conning their viewers out of more than a billion dollars annually. They have operated this racket on television for more than five decades. Worst of all, they do it with the tacit acceptance of most of the Christian community.</em></p>
<p>Someone needs to say this plainly: The faith healers and health-and-wealth preachers who dominate religious television are shameless frauds. Their message is not the true gospel of Jesus Christ. There is nothing spiritual or miraculous about their on-stage chicanery. It is all a devious ruse designed to take advantage of desperate people. They are not godly ministers but greedy impostors who corrupt the Word of God for money&#8217;s sake. They are not real pastors who shepherd the flock of God but hirleings whose only design is to fleece the sheep. Their love of money is glaringly obvious in what they say as well as how they live. They claim to possess great spiritual power, but in reality they are rank materialists and enemies of everything holy.</p>
<p>There is no reason anyone should be deceived by this age-old con, and there is certainly no justification for treating the hucksters as if they were authentic ministers of the gospel. Religious charlatans who make merchandise of false promises have been around since the apostolic era. They pretend to be messengers of Christ, but they are interlopers and impostors. The apostles condemned them with the harshest possible language. Paul called them &#8220;men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain&#8221; (1 Timothy 6:5). Peter called them false prophets with &#8220;heart[s] trained in greed&#8221; (2 Peter 2:14). He warned that &#8220;in their greed they will exploit you with false words&#8221; (v. 3). He exposed them as scoundrels and dismissed them as &#8220;stains and blemishes&#8221; on the church (v. 13). </p>
<p>Those biblical descriptions certainly fit the greed-driven cult of prosperity preachers and faith healers who unfortunately, thanks to television, have become the best-known face of Christianity worldwide. The scam they operate ought to be a bigger scandal than any Wall Street ponzi scheme or big-time securities fraud. After all, those who are most susceptible to the faith-healers&#8217; swindle are not well-to-do investors but some of society&#8217;s most vulnerable people—including multitudes who are already destitute, disconsolate, disabled, elderly, sick, suffering, or dying. The faith-healer gets lavishly rich while the victims become poorer and more desperate (cf. Ezek. 34:1-4, 10).</p>
<p>But the <em>worst </em>part of the scandal is that it&#8217;s not really a scandal at all in the eyes of most evangelical Christians. Those who should be most earnest in defense of the truth have taken a shockingly tolerant attitude toward the prosperity preachers&#8217; blatant misrepresentation of the gospel and their wanton exploitation of needy people. &#8220;<em>But we don&#8217;t want to judge</em>,&#8221; they say. Thus Christians fail to exercise<em> righteous </em>judgment (John 7:24). They refuse to be discerning at all.</p>
<p>How many manifestos and written declarations of solidarity have evangelicals issued condemning abortion, euthanasia, same-sex marriage, and other social evils? It&#8217;s fine, and fairly easy, to oppose wickedness and injustice in secular society, but where is the corresponding moral outrage against these religious mountebanks who openly, brashly pervert the gospel for profit 24 hours a day, seven days a week on international television?</p>
<p>Advocates of abortion and euthanasia don&#8217;t usually try to pass their message off as biblical. The people who say we need to redefine marriage haven&#8217;t portrayed themselves as an arm of the church. But the prosperity preachers deceive people <em>in Jesus&#8217; name</em>, claiming to speak for God—while stealing both the souls and the sustenance of hurting people. That is a far greater abomination than any of the social evils Christians typically protest. After all, what the prosperity preachers do is not only a sin against poor, sick, and vulnerable people; it also blasphemes God, corrupts the gospel, and profanes the reputation of Christ before a watching world. It not only tears at the fabric of our society; it also befouls the purity of the visible church and abates the influence of the true gospel. It is surely among the grossest of all the evils currently rampant in our culture.</p>
<p>In the weeks to come, we&#8217;re going to be looking at the preposterous claims and false teachings of some of religious television&#8217;s best-known figures. We&#8217;ll analyze why a disproportionate number of celebrity faith-healers and prosperity preachers have succumbed to serious immorality. And we&#8217;ll see what Scripture says about how Bible-believing Christians ought to respond. I hope this series will challenge you to take a more active stand against the phony miracles and false teachings that are being peddled in the name of Christ.</p>
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<link>http://firstjohnfourfive.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/the-voice-new-testament-heresy-for-this-generation/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>judy</dc:creator>
<guid>http://firstjohnfourfive.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/the-voice-new-testament-heresy-for-this-generation/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[From the Creators: Previously most Bibles and biblical reference works were produced by professional]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><a href="http://firstjohnfourfive.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/the-voice.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1481" title="The Voice" src="http://firstjohnfourfive.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/the-voice.jpg?w=195" alt="" width="195" height="300" /></a>From the Creators:</p>
<blockquote><p>Previously most Bibles and biblical reference works were produced by professional scholars writing in academic settings. <strong>The Voice</strong> uniquely represents collaboration among scholars, pastors, writers, musicians, poets, and other artists. The goal is to create the finest Bible products to help believers experience the joy and wonder of God&#8217;s revelation. This is the first-ever complete New Testament in <strong>The Voice</strong> translation. <strong><span style="color:#993300;"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Writers include Chris Seay, Lauren Winner, Brian McLaren, Greg Garrett, David B. Capes, and others.<br />
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Four key words describe the vision of this project:<br />
Holistic: considers heart, soul, and mind<br />
Beautiful: achieves literary and artistic excellence<br />
Sensitive: respects cultural shifts and the need for accuracy<br />
Balanced: includes theologically diverse writers and scholars</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>We have taken care that <strong>The Voice</strong> is faithful and that it avoids prejudice. As we partnered biblical scholars and theologians with our writers, we intentionally built teams that did not share any single theological tradition. Their diversity has helped each of them not to be trapped within his or her own individual preconceptions, resulting in a faithful and fresh rendering of the Bible.</p></blockquote>
<p>READ about The Voice from these blogs:  <a href="http://hearthevoice.com/home">Hear TheVoice </a>&#38; <a href="http://www.emergentvillage.com/weblog/the-voice-dubbed-a-new-bible-translation-bows-in-october">Emergent Village</a><br />
Discernment Resource: <a href="http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/spirituality/lighthousetrails/voice.htm">Crossroads</a></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Sunday Thoughts 11]]></title>
<link>http://emergentfortherestofus.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/sunday-thoughts-11/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Josh Tandy</dc:creator>
<guid>http://emergentfortherestofus.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/sunday-thoughts-11/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[- A few more thoughts on Tiger.  With Tiger taking an indefinite leave of absence I am sure that the]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Christians...They're Silly and Sometimes Embarrassing]]></title>
<link>http://derekablaylock.wordpress.com/2009/12/12/christians-theyre-silly-and-sometimes-embarassing/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>derekablaylock</dc:creator>
<guid>http://derekablaylock.wordpress.com/2009/12/12/christians-theyre-silly-and-sometimes-embarassing/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I found this link on Brian McLaren&#8217;s blog.  Ummm&#8230;this article reflects that it&#8217;s a]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>I found this link on Brian McLaren&#8217;s blog.  Ummm&#8230;this article reflects that it&#8217;s amazing how we think Truth can only be found in what we deem appropriate &#8211; for some, it&#8217;s not only the Bible, but certain translations of the Bible!  I feel God&#8217;s Truth is everywhere out there and it just depends on whether we feel secure enough to take our Christian-ghetto sunglasses off.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong><a href="http://bit.ly/f0sOf">Burnt Offernings from WSJ.com</a></strong></span></p>
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<title><![CDATA[The Weariness of Criticism]]></title>
<link>http://emergentfortherestofus.wordpress.com/2009/12/12/the-weariness-of-criticism/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Josh Tandy</dc:creator>
<guid>http://emergentfortherestofus.wordpress.com/2009/12/12/the-weariness-of-criticism/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I remember the first time I read A New Kind of Christian by Brian McLaren, I was in college and was ]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Unholy Trinity....Well someone had to say it]]></title>
<link>http://realchristianity.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/unholy-trinity-well-someone-had-to-say-it/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Alan Higgins</dc:creator>
<guid>http://realchristianity.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/unholy-trinity-well-someone-had-to-say-it/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[John MacArthur has come out with all guns blazing in the article below. The sad thing is that some o]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>John MacArthur has come out with all guns blazing in the article below. The sad thing is that some of the same people who &#8216;agree&#8217; with this are the same ones who will be saying amen after their sermons. This is because they have been so indoctrinated that they dont even realise that they are deceived and swallow every wind of doctrine that comes their way without searching the scriptures first like the Bereans (Acts 17:11). Even in the UK, we have many churches which are also following this deceitful pattern, yet they are the most popular churches that are polluting the pews every week and have TV ministries that are polluting the airwaves.</p>
<p><strong>John MacArthur</strong></p>
<p><strong><img src="http://www.gty.org/media/images/unity_03.jpg" alt="Creflo Dollar" width="125" height="177" /></strong>I don&#8217;t watch much television, and when I do I generally avoid the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). For many years TBN has been dominated by faith-healers, full-time fund-raisers, and self-proclaimed prophets spewing heresy. I wrote about the false gospel they proclaim and the phony miracles they pretend to do almost two decades ago in <a href="http://www.gty.org/Shop/Books/451118"><em>Charismatic Chaos</em></a> (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1992. See especially <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=TnVj53uZVjkC&#38;pg=PA322&#38;lpg=PA322#v=onepage&#38;q=&#38;f=false">chapter 12).</a> I had my fill of charismatic televangelism while researching that book, and I can hardly bear to watch it any more.</p>
<p>Recently, however, while recovering from knee-replacement surgery, I decided to sample some of the current fare on TBN. From a therapeutic point of view it seemed a good choice: something more excruciating than the pain in my leg might distract me from the physical suffering of post-surgical trauma. And I suppose on that basis the strategy was effective.</p>
<p>But it left me outraged and frustrated—and eager to challenge the misperceptions in the minds of millions of unbelievers who see these false teachers masquerading as ministers of Christ on TBN.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m <em>outraged</em> at the brazen way so many false teachers twist the message of Scripture in Jesus&#8217; name. And I&#8217;m <em>frustrated</em> because I&#8217;m certain that if these charlatans were not receiving a large proportion of their financial support from sincere believers (and silent acquiescence from Christian leaders who surely know better), they would have no platform for their shenanigans. They would soon lose their core constituency and fade from the scene.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.gty.org/media/images/unity_05.jpg" alt="Paul and Jan Crouch" width="125" height="105" />Instead, religious quacks are actually multiplying at a frightening pace. One thing I discovered to my immense displeasure is that TBN is by no means the only religious network broadcasting poisonous false doctrine around the clock. The channel lineup I receive includes at least seven other channels whose schedules are filled with false teachers and charlatans. There&#8217;s The Church Channel, Daystar, GodTV, World Harvest Television (LeSEA), Total Christian Television, and several others. Some of them feature blocs of family television programing and a few fairly sound teachers who provide moments of escape from the prosperity preachers. But all of them give prominence to enormous amounts of heresy and religious claptrap—enough to make them positively dangerous. And TBN is singularly responsible for kicking that door open so wide.</p>
<p>The continued growth and influence of TBN is baffling for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the thick aura of lust, greed, and other kinds of moral impropriety that surrounds the whole enterprise. A long string of scandals involving notable charismatic televangelists between 1988 and 1992 should have been sufficient reason for even the most credulous viewers to scrutinize the entire industry with skepticism. First came the international spectacle of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bakker#Scandals">Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker&#8217;s moral, marital, and financial collapse.</a> That was followed closely by the revelation of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Swaggart#1988_scandal_-_background">Jimmy Swaggart&#8217;s repeated dalliances with prostitutes.</a> Shortly afterward, an episode of ABC&#8217;s <em>Primetime Live</em> exposed clear examples of deliberate fraud on the part of three more leading charismatic televangelists. Those incidents were punctuated by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_evangelist_scandals">a score of lesser scandals</a> over several years&#8217; time. It is clear (or should be)—based on empirical evidence alone—that preachers promising miracles in exchange for money are not to be trusted. And for anyone who simply bothers to compare Jesus&#8217; teaching with the health-and-wealth message, it is clear that the message that currently dominates religious television is &#8220;a different gospel; which is really not another&#8221; (Galatians 1:6-7), but a damnable lie.</p>
<p><strong><img src="http://www.gty.org/media/images/unity_02.jpg" alt="Benny Hinn" width="125" height="177" />TBN is by far the leading perpetrator of that lie worldwide. </strong>Virtually all the network&#8217;s main celebrities tell listeners that God will give them healing, wealth, and other material blessings in return for their money. On program after program people are urged to &#8220;plant a seed&#8221; by sending &#8220;the largest bill you have or the biggest check you can write&#8221; with the promise that God will miraculously make them rich in return. That same message dominates all of TBN&#8217;s major fundraising drives. It&#8217;s known as the <a href="http://www.ondoctrine.com/10giving.htm">&#8220;seed faith&#8221; plan,</a> so-called by Oral Roberts, who set the pattern for most of the charismatic televangelists who have followed the trail he blazed. Paul Crouch, founder, chairman, and commander-in-chief of TBN, is one of the doctrine&#8217;s staunchest defenders.</p>
<p>The only people who actually get rich by this scheme, of course, are the televangelists. Their people who send money get little in return but phony promises—and as a result, many of them <a href="http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/05/better-miracles-than-jesus.html#comment-35513">turn away from the truth completely.</a></p>
<p>If the scheme seems reminiscent of Tetzel, that&#8217;s because it is precisely the same doctrine. (Tetzel was a medieval monk whose high-pressure selling of indulgences—phony promises of forgiveness—outraged Martin Luther and touched off the Protestant Reformation.)</p>
<p>Like Tetzel, TBN preys on the poor and plies them with false promises. Yet what is happening daily on TBN is many times <em>worse</em> than the abuses that Luther decried because it is more widespread and more flagrant. The medium is more high-tech and the amounts bilked out of viewers&#8217; pockets are astronomically higher. (By most estimates, TBN is worth more than a billion dollars and rakes in $200 million annually. Those are direct contributions to the network, not counting millions more in donations sent directly to TBN broadcasters.) Like Tetzel on steroids, the Crouches and virtually all the key broadcasters on TBN live in garish opulence, while constantly begging their needy viewers for more money. Elderly, poor, and working-class viewers constitute TBN&#8217;s primary demographic. And TBN&#8217;s fundraisers all know that. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLpzb6CxG_g">The most desperate people—&#8221;unemployed,&#8221; &#8220;even though I&#8217;m in between jobs,&#8221; &#8220;trying to make it; trying to survive,&#8221; &#8220;broke&#8221;—are baited with false promises to give what they do not even have.</a> Jan Crouch addresses viewers as &#8220;you little people,&#8221; and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRirh4zTwig">suggests that they send their grocery money</a> to TBN &#8220;to assure God&#8217;s blessing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thus TBN devours the poor while making the charlatans rich. God cursed false prophets in the Old Testament for that very thing (Jeremiah 6:13-15). It&#8217;s also one of the main reasons the Pharisees incurred Jesus&#8217; condemnation (Luke 20:46-47). It&#8217;s hard to think of any sin more evil. It not only hurts people materially; it deludes them with groundless hope, deceives them with a false gospel, and thereby places their souls in eternal peril. And yet those who do it pretend they are doing the work of God.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not all. Almost no false prophecy, erroneous doctrine, rank superstition, or silly claim is too outlandish to receive airtime on TBN. Jan Crouch tearfully gives a fanciful account of how her pet chicken was miraculously raised from the dead. Benny Hinn trumps that claim with <a href="http://biblelight.net/Hinn-Dead-Raised.htm">a bizarre prophecy</a> that if TBN viewers will put their dead loved ones&#8217; caskets in front of television set and touch the dead person&#8217;s hand to the screen, people will &#8220;be raised from the dead . . . by the <em>thousands.&#8221;</em><br />
<img src="http://www.gty.org/media/images/unity_01.jpg" alt="Bishop T. D. Jakes" width="125" height="165" /><br />
Ironically, one doesn&#8217;t even need to be an orthodox Trinitarian in order to broadcast on the Trinity network. Bishop T. D. Jakes, well known for his rejection of the Nicene creed in favor of oneness Pentecostalism, <a href="http://www.tbn.org/index.php/2/4/p/42.html">is a staple on TBN.</a> Benny Hinn <a href="http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/web/crj0087a.html">has repeatedly attempted to revise the doctrine of the Trinity in novel ways,</a> notoriously teaching at one point that there are <a href="http://www.reachouttrust.org/articlePDFView.php?id=76">nine persons in the godhead.</a></p>
<p><strong>And yet evangelical church leaders typically show a kind of benign tolerance toward the whole enterprise. </strong>Most would never endorse it, of course. They may joke about the gaudiness of the big hair and tawdry set decorations on TBN. Ask them, and they will most likely acknowledge that the prosperity gospel is no gospel at all. Press the issue, and you will probably get them to admit that it is a dangerous form of false doctrine, totally unbiblical, and essentially anti-Christian.</p>
<p>Why, then, is there no large-scale effort among Bible-believing evangelicals to expose, denounce, refute, and silence these false teachers? After all, that is what Scripture commands church leaders to do when we encounter purveyors of soul-destroying substitutes for the true gospel:</p>
<blockquote><p>The overseer must be above reproach as God&#8217;s steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled, holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict. For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain (Titus 1:7-11).</p></blockquote>
<p><img src="http://www.gty.org/media/images/unity_04.jpg" alt="Paul Crouch, Jr." width="125" height="177" />Those who remain silent in the face of such grotesque lies may in fact be partly responsible for turning people away from the truth. Consider <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Losing-Religion-Reporting-America-Unexpected/dp/0061626813">the testimony of William Lobdell,</a> religion reporter for the <em>Los Angeles Times,</em> who once considered himself a devout evangelical Christian, but after doing a series of investigative reports on the moral and doctrinal cesspool at TBN; then &#8220;finding that his investigative stories about faith healer Benny Hinn and televangelists Jan and Paul Crouch appear to make no difference on the reach of these ministries or the lives of their followers, he [gave] up on the beat and on religion generally.&#8221;</p>
<p>All those who truly love Christ and care about the truth have a solemn duty to defend the truth by exposing and opposing these lies that masquerade as truth. If we fail in that duty because of indifference, apathy, or a craving for the approval of men, we are no less guilty than those who actively spread the lies.</p>
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<link>http://thechristianwatershed.com/2009/12/07/christianity-hell-and-islam/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
<guid>http://thechristianwatershed.com/2009/12/07/christianity-hell-and-islam/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[For those who don&#8217;t follow, I recently had someone leave a comment on my post &#8220;Brian McL]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>For those who don&#8217;t follow, I recently had someone leave a comment on my post &#8220;<a href="http://thechristianwatershed.com/2009/08/19/brian-mclaren-really/" target="_blank">Brian McLaren, really?</a>&#8220;. I attempted one response that was a bit long and he responded back with a long response as well. Rather than engage in a &#8220;comment debate,&#8221; I&#8217;d rather just post my full reply as a post, since it will be a bit lengthy. I&#8217;d encourage you to read the comments before reading this post.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Well after reading that and reading your link, it looks like you are not interested in thinking any differently then you do now.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Well, to be honest, unless given a good reason to change my beliefs on something so central to the worldview I follow, I don&#8217;t see why I should be open to changing my views. Though we should always be open to examine our views, this is generally done by looking at rational arguments and evidence against our position. If our position holds strong against such critiques, there shouldn&#8217;t be a willingness to abandon it.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Our Christian Bible, many would say, is just as sexist as the Qur’an or Hadith, (maybe not in as blunt of ways). There are scripture in the Bible that talks about Woman not even being able to talk in Church. We can’t say that the Church treats woman fairly even now, I mean there is a reason why 90% of Church leaders are MEN.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>If you define &#8220;fairness&#8221; by responsibilities, then yes, men and women are not treated equally. However, I think your attempt to equivocate the two is quite unfair. For one, both the Qur&#8217;an and Hadith teach that women are <em>ontologically</em> <em>lower,</em> that is, they have less rights, less value, etc by nature of being a woman. This is why rape, beatings, and the like are allowed by many Muslims. One simply look to Surra 2:282 to see that men are a &#8220;degree above women.&#8221; Prior to this, 2:223 says that men are to treat their wife (or wives) as property and do whatever they will with them. The justification is that women are lesser than men <em>by nature</em>. The Hadith is actually worse considering that the writings of Bukhari, chapter two, verse twenty-eight, states that the majority of Hell is composed of ungrateful women. If you look to Ishaq 593, we&#8217;re told that women are plentiful and it&#8217;s okay to leave the one you have to find another one. All of this shows that women are, by nature, lower than men and to be treated as property, a bit above animals (though Muhammad&#8217;s youngest wife A&#8217;isha complained that Muhammad was created women to be on the level of dogs and donkeys [Muslim 4:1039]).</p>
<p>The Bible, alternatively, teaches that men and women are ontologically equal. One merely look to the narrative in Genesis to see that men and women are both made in the image of God (&#8220;&#8230;male and female He created them&#8230;&#8221;). One can turn to the works of Paul, specifically in Corinthians, and see that he says the wife&#8217;s body belongs to the man and the husband&#8217;s body belongs to the wife, thus showing it&#8217;s equal. If we turn to Galatians, we find Paul telling the husband and wife to submit to one another. Elsewhere he tells husbands to lead with authority as Christ leads the Church, which is completely self-sacrificial. Paul also says that a man who doesn&#8217;t provide for his family, but can (and &#8220;provide&#8221; in the Greek implies both material and immaterial [i.e. emotions, psychological well-being, etc]), is worse than a heathen. Though women were devalued in Jewish culture, in the New Testament we see that Christ has no problem interacting with a sick woman who needs healing, a woman who is on her 7th marriage and considered a whore by the community, a prostitute who washes His feet with perfume, and the first witnesses of the Resurrection in all the Gospels are females.</p>
<p>All of the above indicates that the Bible sees women as ontological equals. Now, for whatever reason, God has declared that on some issues, men and women have different responsibilities, but this does not make them unequal or elevate men above women. Only those who are power-thirsty would see authority as a standard for equality. Authority has nothing to do with equality &#8211; some people, male or female, aren&#8217;t called to be in a position of authority. Does this mean they are unequal with those who are called to such a position?</p>
<p>So as you can see, I don&#8217;t see your argument as compelling.</p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">If you are going to say that the majority of Muslims support the rape of woman, I would show some scripture from the Qur’an, that supports your statement or maybe take quotes from a Muslim you know that supports it. Also I would like to hear some Muslim Scripture that talks about it being okay to murder others because someone doesn’t believe in their God?</span></p></blockquote>
<p>A fair request. The one that comes to mind (I don&#8217;t have time to research right now) is Iman Mesbah-Yazdi, a Shi&#8217;a Iman in Iran stated that rape is permissible when done to a non-Muslim. To do it to a Muslim generally warrants the death penalty, whether the victim is male or female. If not a Muslim, however, it&#8217;s usually seen as justifiable. He probably gets this from the Qur&#8217;an, which has multiple verses that discuss how a man can take his wife or slave girl at whim, whether they want it or not. However, further justification probably comes from the Hadith, which is far more explicit in its condoning of rape.</p>
<p>The Hadith of Sahih Bukhari (9:506) talks of how the argument of Muhammad&#8217;s men after taking women from a city was whether or not they should pull out before ejaculation so as to not impregnate the women. However, it was expected by both Muhammad and others that the men would force themselves upon the non-Islamic women. The Hadith of Abu Dawud (2150) gives the historical context of Surra 4:24 (<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:x-small;"><em>And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save  those (captives) whom your right hands possess.). </em></span>The context that Dawud gives is that the men were uncomfortable having sex with these slaves in front of their husbands. Muhammad told them, &#8220;Who cares, it&#8217;s your right.&#8221; That may not explicitly say &#8220;rape,&#8221; but it certainly is implicit; Muhammad&#8217;s soldiers were going into captured towns, enslaving men and women, and then forcing themselves on the women, married or not.</p>
<p>The list goes on of course of how Muhammad, his generals, his men, and even his adopted sons would use men as prizes for war. If you don&#8217;t believe me, read both the Hadith and Qur&#8217;an for yourself.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">When you say that Christianity was not violent until 325 A.C. you might be completely right. I would not compare the Church today however to the original “Church”. Christians have their faults like every other religion. I however think, based on my life of being a Christian and what I know from scripture and example of friends from religions such as Buddhism and Islam, that they promote peace and furthering of true faith.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>You missed the point of what I was saying. You were attempting to say that the violent Muslims we see today lack justification from their Qur&#8217;an, Hadith, and history to be violent. I was merely comparing and contrasting. The fact of the matter is that it took 325 years for Christians to begin to engage in violence <em>en masse</em>. Until that point, most Christians were either complete pacifists or had an extremely narrow view of justified war. Much of this is due to the writings of Christ. So when we see war-mongering Christians, whether it be the modern age or the Middle Ages, we can say, &#8220;This is most likely inconsistent with the history of their faith and their Holy Book.&#8221; The same cannot be said for Islam.</p>
<p>I was attempting to show from history that from the very beginning, Muhammad engaged in war and genocide and his followers didn&#8217;t let-up. They continued on. There was no peace to be found except in surrender. So your claim that Islam is peaceful needs justification, most specifically by using its holy writings and validating your interpretation with the history of Islam.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Something that Christians, who believe in Hell, want to think, is that all unbelievers are completely evil. This is simply not true. I have many Atheist and Buddhist friends, and I find good in all of them. Gandhi, is a great example of a professed “non-Christian”, who did many good things in his life time. Would “justice” mean a Eternal Hell for Gandhi?</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Though some might believe in such a proposition, I do not count myself among those &#8220;some.&#8221; If you&#8217;re truly interested in my position, you can read it <a href="http://thechristianwatershed.com/2009/12/04/some-thoughts-on-original-sin/" target="_blank">here</a>. Suffice it to say, I believe humans are capable of moral goodness, but this doesn&#8217;t make them righteous. Ghandi did a lot of good things, but he wasn&#8217;t perfect, thus he wasn&#8217;t righteous. After all, how can our good actions, which are temporal, compare to an eternally good God? So yes, Ghandi or anyone for that matter going to Hell is justice. After all, if we sin against God, no matter how minuscule that sin seems to us, it falls short of the infinite goodness of God. Our offense is infinitely separated before God. Because God is a God of justice, He can&#8217;t simply ignore an injustice, for then He would be unjust. If you want to argue and say that God isn&#8217;t a God of justice, keep in mind that concepts such as &#8220;grace&#8221; and &#8220;mercy&#8221; and even &#8220;love&#8221; as we know it are contingent upon our understanding of &#8220;justice.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">When Jesus was on this earth, He seemed to find good in the lowest of people. Even if there is only an ounce of good in someone, they do NOT deserve Eternal Punishment. I thank God for Grace. I am not saying that all paths lead to Heaven. I only believe in one Path, through Jesus, but I think all of us will eventually find it.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>This really doesn&#8217;t make any sense. If we allow that one of the attributes of God is that He is just (which, if we want to believe that He is gracious and merciful, we must first admit that He is just) and that His standard is Himself, then anything that falls short of Himself is infinitely evil. Consider the following:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say that Johnny has been told multiple times not to play in Mr. Smith&#8217;s yard. Johnny fails to heed the warning and while playing in Mr. Smith&#8217;s yard, he damages some of Mr. Smith&#8217;s property, causing $500 in damage. Now, Mr. Smith could ignore this, but Mr. Smith happens to be a judge for the county court. Since Johnny broke a property law, Mr. Smith asks Johnny to do some work around Mr. Smith&#8217;s home to pay off the $500 owed. No matter how good Johnny is, he has still committed an offense that has cost someone something and justice dictates that he must pay for that offense.</p>
<p>Imagine how it is with God. God is infinite, meaning any offense to His character is equally infinite. Thus, to make up for any offense to God&#8217;s character, we must pay it off eternally. Since we are temporal beings, this is quite impossible.</p>
<p>Now, you might say that God can just forget about it and forgive us, no matter the cost. But then God wouldn&#8217;t be a God of justice. The poor and oppressed of this world would have <em>no one </em>to turn to. The hope of victims is that even if temporal justice is not handed out to perpetrators, eternal justice does await them. What you are saying is that a man who brutally rapes women and never shows any remorse for his actions gets a free pass in the afterlife, so long as he baked cookies for the local homeless shelter or did a lot of good things as well. Your system of belief portrays God as nothing more than a stone hippie who looks the other way when injustice rises up. This is hardly a God worth worshiping.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I would be careful about acting as though you have found God completely. For example, you might think the Bible clearly talks about an Eternal Hell. I however, have studied the scriptures for many years, on the topic of Hell, and think the Bible clearly speaks against an Eternal Hell.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>I have never stated that I understand God completely, for such knowledge is impossible. However, the Bible is extremely clear that Hell is eternal. Christian tradition dictates as much. The idea of a temporal Hell is a relatively recent one, one that lacks the proper justification in its claim.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[The Sout Project: Story (CD Review)]]></title>
<link>http://ryanpeterblogs.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/the-sout-project-story-cd-review/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Ryan Peter</dc:creator>
<guid>http://ryanpeterblogs.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/the-sout-project-story-cd-review/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I was delighted to be able to receive a copy of The Sout Project&#8217;s debut, entitled Story, in a]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>I was delighted to be able to receive a copy of The Sout Project&#8217;s debut, entitled <i>Story</i>, in advance of its launch next week on 11 Dec.</p>
<p>The Sout Project is the brainchild of Nic Paton, who has been around in the South African music industry a longer time than most actually know. His experience and talent as a composer and producer on the album really shines – with truly brilliant instrumentation that is a pleasure to listen to with a set of headphones on (how one should always listen closely to an album, in my opinion).</p>
<p>The first thing that must be said about <i>Story</i> is that it is by no means a commercial album. From a musical point of view, don&#8217;t expect pop, rock, rap, electronica or anything that most of us are used to; from a lyrical point of view, don&#8217;t expect the usual either.</p>
<p><i>Story</i> has been labelled a Christian worship album in various places by Paton, who has made a point of saying that it isn&#8217;t your standard run-of-the-mill Christian Contemporary Music (CCM) worship album. I&#8217;m grateful for that as I&#8217;m a little tired of all the usual stuff we see floating around, usually with cheesy pop tunes and cheesy lyrics to boot. Seriously, a five year old can come up with “I worship you my King, to you I sing” and most of us probably know how little depth a great deal of CCM has. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with simple lyrics and music, but we need a bit of simple and depth in the mix.</p>
<p>Personally, I love world music and when Paton first told me about the idea of <i>Story</i> I got very excited. I imagined a mix of Sting and Paul Simon and perhaps a bit of 80&#8217;s Peter Gabriel all thrown into the mix. I think a Gabriel influence is definitely evident on this album.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been wanting to experiment with different musical styles from all over the world in worship for ages myself, but just have never quite had the resources. So I was very stoked when someone else echoed my heart in this respect.</p>
<p>Track one on the album sees the popular author Brian Mclaren narrate and sing over the famous Irish traditional hymn “Be Thou My Vision.” He is joined by a choir, a child, and a number of other singers. It opens up the theme of the album nicely and has some wonderful violins and bongo rhythms, and what sounds like sitar, amidst some great arrangements; but it is not a very strong song in my opinion. We&#8217;ll get to the theme of the album when we discuss the lyrical content below.</p>
<p>Track two is great. The song features the Xhosa traditional bow player Madosini. Right from the beginning anyone who loves world music will be hooked from an instrumentation point of view. When listening on headphones there&#8217;s a great eclectic African mix on this song that I really enjoyed, with some choir coming in at the end. The song really shines at the end with great arrangements.</p>
<p>Aumen (track three) has a fantastic electronica arrangement at about 2:15 minutes in, with the song having built up to this point. The vocals are great from this point as well with really enjoyable sitar solos coming in a little later. The song builds up nicely and continues to surprise as it goes. I&#8217;m not a fan of the narration a little later though.</p>
<p>Track four, “Be Still”, is probably my least favourite track but it mixes nicely into track five. Track five, “Held”, is pretty average in my opinion, until about 2:40 minutes in when a beautiful classic guitar solo reminiscent of something we&#8217;d hear from Sting shines through. It could have actually gone on a little longer it&#8217;s that enjoyable!</p>
<p>Track six sees a change of pace. The song is best described as a world-music electronica dance piece. The melody on this one is really great and the African vocals are fantastic, alongside the inclusion of a host of different instruments. I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a vuvuzela in there somewhere. Paton was having fun with this song. The song reminds me of Goldfish in some ways. </p>
<p>The pace slows down with track seven, “Instrument”, which sounds like a medieval tune. It&#8217;s nice and would do if one is in the mood for it. </p>
<p>“Meditation with Mechtild”, which is track eight, has some wonderful synthesisers and sound effects (even birds in the background) alongside a wonderful mandolin (I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s a mandolin) piece that repeats over the track again and again. Here we meet some ethereal planes and the song does well in that respect. It mixes wonderfully into track nine, “In All Things”. One doesn&#8217;t pick up that these are two separate tracks on the CD until the last track comes up.</p>
<p>“In All Things” sees a change of pace but continues in a similar vein with surprising arrangements. The song is sung in English, Afrikaans and Xhosa – a nice touch. From about 3:05 minutes in the song surprises with a change of rhythm completely and incorporates some medditeranean vibes. I really enjoy this about it.</p>
<p>“Bigsmall”, the last track of the album, is probably the weakest of the album, with more Brian Mclaren narration at the end. It closes the album nicely from a theme point of view but I wasn&#8217;t too stoked about it in many other respects. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve praised the instrumentation on <i>Story</i> and looked at each song separately. I need to obviously say something about the vocals. The fact of the matter is the vocals are not stand-out amazing; but the idea of the album is more to express than impress, in my opinion, and I appreciate that from an artistic and musical point of view very much. </p>
<p>Now, onto the theme and lyrical content. A review needs to be as objective as possible and lyrics are as important to an album as everything else. John Mayer&#8217;s new album <i>Battle Studies</i>, for instance, irritates from a lyrical point of view and drags down the album a great deal. Since <i>Story</i> is said to be a Christian album – and a worship one to boot &#8211; I need to keep this in mind when reviewing the album.</p>
<p><i>Story</i> aims to be more &#8216;earthy&#8217; in its worship than &#8216;heavenly&#8217; – which means that its trying to get away from the &#8216;ethereal plain&#8217; of a lot of worship music. I love the idea and musically this comes across.</p>
<p>The album is very syncretistic in its musical content and in its lyrical content this is also the case. The issue is that this is worship, and that involves theology; the problem is that when theology gets syncretistic it gets controversial, and <i>Story</i> is no exception.</p>
<p>Obviously, with having Mclaren open the album, Christians who know anything about him need to be prepared for a little bit of syncretism. Although Mclaren has often claimed he is not syncretistic, <i>Story</i> is, and this makes it difficult for the standard run-of-the-mill Christian to feel comfortable worshipping to certain songs. In particular, “Aumen” and the meditation with Mechtild spring to mind. Although your standard run-of-the-mill Christian (which I admit is a pretty general term and really doesn&#8217;t explain much) probably wouldn&#8217;t be interested in this album anyway.</p>
<p>When it comes to worship I&#8217;ll usually spin some Matt Redman on my Ubuntu Rhythmbox who I know is usually going to belt out some heart-felt tunes with great theology. His new album “We Shall Not Be Shaken” is really good, for interest sake. </p>
<p>I also think David Crowder Band&#8217;s “A Collision” is fantastic; pity American audiences didn&#8217;t take to it too well. </p>
<p>But I do usually struggle to find anything in worship music that is <i>different</i>. Redman gets my vote due to his heart and theology, and some great tunes; other guys get no votes as there appears to be little heart, cheesy theology (to put it simply) and bubblegum tunes that you&#8217;ll be sick of in a week. Hillsongs United can give you goosebumps, sure, but very few songs last longer than a few months. However, we still sing “Better is One Day” (Matt Redman) at my church and that song is really old now.</p>
<p>What do I think of <i>Story</i> with regards to all this? Well, the tunes are certainly not congregational, but that&#8217;s OK I think (it doesn&#8217;t always have to be). The album sure has heart, but I&#8217;m not too keen on the theology. </p>
<p>But even if I was ok with some of the theology presented I still think the lyrics could have been much better. Lyrics are where I struggle the most in music writing, so I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m one to talk when looking at my own skill in this; but I know what is good, and The Sout Project can do better.</p>
<p>Overall, could I worship with <i>Story</i>? No. That&#8217;s because of my own theological take on things. Do I enjoy it? Yes. It certainly is a great debut, musically, and fits my world-music tastes in a wonderful way. One or two tracks may even work really well on an African/Electronica/Eccentric Putamayo album of some sort, which is a great compliment as far as I&#8217;m concerned.</p>
<p>From a purely <b>sound</b> point of view, <i>Story</i> sounds much better on a set of headphones than it does going through most of the sound systems I used, except for a good hi-fi. I think the mix is done nicely but the mastering might be the real problem here. A good mastering would have given the album the boost it needs to stand out a little more. From the credits it looks like the album was mastered using Pro-Tools and, while this gives a fairly OK master, it doesn&#8217;t give it the edge a mastering technician would be able to give it. Mastering is expensive, though, and this is an independent undertaking &#8211; something that must be kept in mind.</p>
<p>Conclusion? A great debut with wonderful world music, simply beautiful instrumentation and excellent arrangements. However, the vocals and the lyrics need improving and the mastering is something that should be considered for future installments.</p>
<p>As far as the packaging goes, <i>Story</i> looks great and has some great style and artwork. I&#8217;m not too much of a fan of the picture montage inside, but everything else about the packaging conveys the theme and is very creative and original. I really liked it. So well done Sout, hoping to see a follow up come out of this.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.soutproject.net">www.soutproject.net</a> for more details about the album.</p>
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<link>http://josiahmeyer.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/a-decision-to-remain-undecided/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Josiah</dc:creator>
<guid>http://josiahmeyer.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/a-decision-to-remain-undecided/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I have long loved the story related in Matt. 21. The Pharisees come to Jesus, to try to trap Him by ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>I have long loved the story related in Matt. 21. The Pharisees come to Jesus, to try to trap Him by asking where His authority came from. Rather than responding, he asks them a &#8220;filter-question.&#8221; The question had nothing at all to do with the topic at hand: however, Jesus knew how to cut through to the real heart of the issue. His method was to ask them to state their position on a current, relevant issue: &#8220;Was John from God or from men?&#8221; This question put them between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, they had their reputations and institutions to defend &#8211; on the other, they had the fear of public outcry. One notices that the question of &#8220;truth&#8221; did not factor into their discussions at all. Unwilling to cause scandal or offense, and apparently unconcerned with truth, they choose perpetual indecision: &#8220;we do not know, teacher.&#8221; In response, Jesus denied to answer their question. It is those who worship God in &#8220;spirit and in <em>truth</em>&#8221; whom the Father seeks (John 4:24): the double-minded man ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord (James 1:6-8).</p>
<p>This question applies to the emergent doctrine of &#8220;perpetual indecision.&#8221; According to some, to state that one knows anything with absolute certainty is pure arrogance. As I heard one person say, &#8220;Once you come to a conclusion, the emergent conversation is over.&#8221; Instead, the good &#8220;emerger&#8221; is to remain in a perpetual stasis of indecision on touchy issues.</p>
<p>A famous case of this is Brian Maclaren, who still (as far as I know) has not declared his position on homosexuality.</p>
<p>There are many valid reasons for a Christian to be undecided. A topic may be beyond their expertise (I am decidedly undecided about the science of creation, since I am not a scientist), or Scriptures may be silent or intentionally vague about a topic (e.g. the &#8220;end times&#8221;), or a topic may be simply irrelevant (seriously &#8211; who CARES whether the human is body/soul or body/soul/spirit?!).</p>
<p>I think it goes without saying that none of these caveats apply to the topics of homosexuality, hell, or abortion, to name a few.</p>
<p>These topics are pressingly relevant, spoken of clearly in Scriptures, and  within the scope of every Christian to make an informed decision.</p>
<p>This is yet another water-shed moment for the emergent community. Yes, mystery, toleration and questioning can be good things. But what will one do when one finally <em>emerges </em>out of the mists of confusion, to be presented with the cold, hard words of Scriptures? Will they bow in humble submission to the lordship of Christ, or will they intentionally turn their backs on certainty, to stumble backwards into a perpetual wandering in the wastelands of indecision?</p>
<p>If they chose this latter road, they will find a difference. Indecision as a pathway to decision is a road blessed by God: indecision as a rejection of the lordship of Jesus is a sin. Until this rebellion is repented of, I believe they will feel God&#8217;s disapproval in place of his approval, God&#8217;s judgment in place of His blessing, God&#8217;s God&#8217;s silence in place of His voice, as their intentional indecision leads them further and further abroad from His revealed presence.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Blessings Not Just for the Ones Who Kneel - the Promiscuous Love of God ]]></title>
<link>http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/blessings-not-just-for-the-ones-who-kneel-the-promiscuous-love-of-god/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>zoecarnate</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[One of my heroes, Darin Hufford of the Free Believers Network, posted something provocative on his F]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/god-touches-humanity.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1404" title="God Touches Humanity" src="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/god-touches-humanity.jpg?w=252" alt="" width="252" height="300" /></a>One of my heroes, Darin Hufford of the <a href="http://freebelievers.com/" target="_blank">Free Believers Network</a>, posted something provocative on his <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Free-Believers-Network/56791216445?ref=mf" target="_blank">Facebook Page</a> (which he often does):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The #1 complaint I hear people respond with when they hear this grace message is that God isn&#8217;t only loving, He&#8217;s also a God of justice and judgment. I think to myself, &#8220;Why can&#8217;t you shake your bi-polar concept of God? He&#8217;s the most loving being in the universe yet He&#8217;s got a hair-trigger temper?&#8221; God sounds like an alcoholic father.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>(Hmm&#8230;sounds like shades of a <a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/is-god-a-recovering-practitioner-of-violence/" target="_blank">recent conversation we&#8217;ve been having</a>, does it not?)</p>
<p>Darin goes to great length debunking this harmful myth in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1935170058?ie=UTF8&#38;tag=zoecarnatecom-20&#38;linkCode=xm2&#38;camp=1789&#38;creativeASIN=1935170058" target="_blank">The Misunderstood God</a>&#8230;my friend <a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/" target="_blank">Brian McLaren</a> goes to great length debunking this harmful slander of God&#8217;s character in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061853984?ie=UTF8&#38;tag=zoecarnatecom-20&#38;linkCode=xm2&#38;camp=1789&#38;creativeASIN=0061853984" target="_blank">A New Kind of Christianity</a>, which will be out soon. I want to go to medium lengths exposing this naked emperor god via a couple of relatively recent songs. But first, a Bible break:</p>
<blockquote><p>You have heard that it was said, &#8216;Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.&#8217; But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.</p></blockquote>
<p>- Jesus, in Matthew 5:43-45 TNIV. God is not like us &#8211; we want to curse our enemies and the misbehaving; we want to withold the blest for the best &#8211; which is, of course, us. But like the eccentric, argumentative Psalms of our Holy Write, a couple of contemporary Psalmists wrestle with the character of the <a href="http://www.theprodigalgod.com/" target="_blank">prodigal God</a>, and show us what might be a better image of the Divine.</p>
<p>The first, and most in-your-face, example I&#8217;d like to offer is <a href="http://www.davidbazan.com/" target="_blank">David Bazan</a>&#8217;s &#8216;Bless This Mess&#8217; from the I-can&#8217;t-stop-listening-to-it album <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HHBC06?ie=UTF8&#38;tag=zoecarnatecom-20&#38;linkCode=xm2&#38;camp=1789&#38;creativeASIN=B002HHBC06" target="_blank"><em>Curse Your Branches</em></a>.</p>
<p><span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/4r__3NVMFsI&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' /><param name='allowfullscreen' value='true' /><param name='wmode' value='transparent' /><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/4r__3NVMFsI&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' allowfullscreen='true' width='425' height='350' wmode='transparent'></embed></object></span></p>
<p>God bless the man who stumbles<br />
God bless the man who falls<br />
God bless the man who yields to temptation</p>
<p>God bless the woman who suffers<br />
God bless the woman who weeps<br />
God bless the children trying her patients</p>
<p>Trouble getting over it<br />
Is what you&#8217;re in for<br />
So pour yourself another<br />
&#8216;Cause it&#8217;ll take a steady pair of hands</p>
<p>Holy or unholy ghost<br />
Well now I can&#8217;t tell, but either way you cut it<br />
You should get some distance if you plan to take a stand</p>
<p>God bless the house divided<br />
God bless the weeds in the wheat<br />
God bless the lamp hid under a bushel</p>
<p>I discovered hell to be the poison in the well<br />
So I tried to warn the others of the curse<br />
But then my body turned on me<br />
I dreamt that for eternity<br />
My family would burn<br />
Then I awoke with a wicked thirst</p>
<p>By my baby&#8217;s yellow bed I kissed her forehead and rubbed her little tummy<br />
Wondered if she&#8217;d soon despise the smell of the booze on my breath like her mom<br />
And it makes me want to be a better man<br />
After another drink</p>
<p>God bless the man at the crossroads<br />
God bless the woman who still can&#8217;t sleep<br />
God bless the history that doesn&#8217;t repeat</p>
<p>This is an ambivalent song, to be sure. Evangelicalism&#8217;s erstwhile poster child grew up in the Assemblies of God and spent some time among Calvinists in an attempt to bolster the consistency of his faith &#8211; in both cases, just like me. He &#38; I doubtless are coming at the life of faith from different trajectories now, but we both struggle with how to raise our little girls with integrity amidst a world that increasingly has more options. In the midst of it all, we&#8217;d like to believe in the God of Jesus &#8211; the God who loves, and blesses, indiscriminately &#8211; even when we&#8217;re hurting ourselves. (You can see other good versions of the song <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19oHHGfifgU" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vwogatIDS0" target="_blank">here</a>, and perhaps download it <a href="http://elbo.ws/post/2038109/god-bless-the-man-who-stumbles/" target="_blank">here</a>? For more on Bazan&#8217;s story, read these three excellent &#8211; but R-rated, just so ya know &#8211; interviews, in <a href="http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/the-passion-of-david-bazan/Content?oid=1169181" target="_blank">The Chicago Reader</a>, <a href="http://www.emusic.com/features/spotlight/2009_200908-qa-bazan.html" target="_blank">eMusic</a>, and <a href="http://www.patrolmag.com/arts/1838/david-bazan-interview" target="_blank">Patrol</a>.)</p>
<p>The most over-exposed man in rock &#8211; and perhaps <em>period</em> &#8211; <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/opinion/18bono.html" target="_blank">Bono Vox Himself</a>, has good reason for getting as much exposure as he does. Among other things, his tenacious vision of God&#8217;s peace and shalom over and against the legalism of his Irish youth comes through in his songwriting, album after album. &#8216;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009OBZ2E?ie=UTF8&#38;tag=zoecarnatecom-20&#38;linkCode=xm2&#38;camp=1789&#38;creativeASIN=B0009OBZ2E" target="_blank">City of Blinding Lights</a>&#8216; is a great recent example, this stunning HD clip taken from U2&#8217;s recent Rose Bowl show:</p>
<p><span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/UOD2q4kK5qw&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' /><param name='allowfullscreen' value='true' /><param name='wmode' value='transparent' /><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/UOD2q4kK5qw&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' allowfullscreen='true' width='425' height='350' wmode='transparent'></embed></object></span></p>
<p>Selected lyrics:</p>
<p>The more you see the less you know<br />
The less you find out as you go<br />
I knew much more then, than I do now</p>
<p>And I miss you when you&#8217;re not around<br />
I&#8217;m getting ready to leave the ground</p>
<p>Oh, you look so beautiful tonight<br />
In the city of blinding lights</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen you walk unafraid<br />
I&#8217;ve seen you in the clothes you made<br />
Can you see the beauty inside of me?<br />
What happened to the beauty I had inside of me?</p>
<p>Time, time, time, time, time, time<br />
Won&#8217;t leave me as I am<br />
But time won&#8217;t take the boy out of this man</p>
<p>Oh, you look so beautiful tonight<br />
Oh, you look so beautiful tonight<br />
Oh, you look so beautiful tonight<br />
In the city of blinding lights</p>
<p>The more you know the less you feel<br />
Some pray for others steal<br />
Blessings are not just for the ones who kneel<br />
Luckily&#8230;luckily we don&#8217;t believe in luck&#8230;<br />
Grace abounds&#8230;grace abounds&#8230;grace abounds&#8230;</p>
<p>Like me, Bono has <a href="http://u2sermons.blogspot.com/2009/12/if-you-can.html" target="_blank">wrestled</a> with the world-affirming and <a href="http://davewainscott.blogspot.com/2009/03/bono-on-nee-you-dont-get-into-your-car.html" target="_blank">world-denying</a> in voices like that of <a href="http://motherjones.com/media/1989/05/bono-bites-back" target="_blank">Chinese mystic</a> and <a href="http://www.interference.com/8537-interview-steve-beard-writer-of-bonos-chapter-in-spiritual-journeys/" target="_blank">church planter</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchman_Nee" target="_blank">Watchman Nee</a>. And like me, he&#8217;s had to say that what <a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/gods-eye.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1405" title="God's Eye" src="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/gods-eye.jpg?w=300" alt="" width="300" height="300" /></a>traditional Christianity has meant by &#8216;the world&#8217; we were meant to &#8216;come out of&#8217; and what Jesus (and Paul, and others) meant by this enigmatic phrase are two completely different &#8211; indeed, opposite &#8211; things. Jesus was referring to the world of principalities and powers, those inhuman and dehumanizing forces of religion and empire. He <em>wasn&#8217;t</em> referring to culture-as-such, and certainly not to planet earth. Millions of friends-of-God are awakening to the reality that we live in a God-blessed and God-beloved world that God still thinks is &#8216;very good,&#8217; however marred by egoic haze and degradation its become. We&#8217;re all connected &#8211; for life or death. As the US Episcopal Presiding Bishop <a href="http://www.episcopalchurch.org/presiding-bishop.htm" target="_blank">Katharine Jefferts Schori</a> recently remarked, <a href="http://www.religiondispatches.org/blog/sexandgender/1648/bishop_sends_shockwave,_slaying_the_sacred_cow_of_individual_salvation_%5Bincludes_an_online_comic%5D" target="_blank">the idea of solely <em>personal</em> salvation is heresy</a>. Our redemption begins in <em>this</em> world, its social and public as well as personal &#8211; at this stage, in 2009, salvation is planetary in scope. The ecology of new creation needs to be rooted in every aspect of our beings, from creative work to re-creation.</p>
<p>Bottom-line: God is love. Love is orthodoxy. (<em><a href="http://www.presence.tv/cms/con-introducing-god.php" target="_blank">Agapetheism</a></em>, as my friend <a href="http://transmillennial.blogspot.com/search/label/Agapetheism" target="_blank">Kevin Beck</a> likes to put it) It&#8217;s God&#8217;s <a href="http://bible.cc/romans/2-4.htm" target="_blank"><em>kindness</em></a> that leads to repentance, <em>not</em> the big stick that you imagine God&#8217;s holiness to be. Let&#8217;s join together in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1570758514?ie=UTF8&#38;tag=zoecarnatecom-20&#38;linkCode=xm2&#38;camp=1789&#38;creativeASIN=1570758514" target="_blank">the Great Work</a> of our age &#8211; becoming the leaves of the Tree of Life for the healing of our relationships, our neighborhoods, our ecosystems, our economies &#8211; in short, our world. This begins, as <a href="http://www.brennanmanning.com/" target="_blank">Brennan Manning</a> says, with <a href="http://www.tollbooth.org/2000/features/bmanning.html" target="_blank">healing our image of God</a> &#8211; and the ones God loves. Which is all of us. God brings abundant blessings&#8230;not just for the ones who kneel. May we model this same lavish, indiscriminate, sloppy, positively promiscuous love.</p>
<p>Amen and amen.</p>
<p>PS: What songs, art, poetry and cultural artifacts remind <span style="text-decoration:underline;">you</span> of God&#8217;s blessing breaking out of the confines of empire and religion?</p>
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<p>Discernmentalists, we are under direct attack on a daily basis. We need to rally to arms and put on the aggressive defense. Just last month <a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/if-you-believe-homosexuality-is.html">Brian McLaren </a>directly assaulted <a href="http://christianresearchnetwork.com/?p=14237">Uncle Ken Silva</a> and <a href="http://www.worldviewtimes.com/article.php/articleid-5638/Brannon-Howse/Ingrid-Schlueter">Aunt Ingrid Schlueter </a>of Slice Of  Laodicea. Ingrid was caught yelling in a headlock:</p>
<blockquote><p>What an appallingly <em>dishonest</em> way to deal with your critics, McLaren.</p></blockquote>
<p>which  inspired her to write this scathing critique of her ordeal:</p>
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<h1><a title="Permanent Link to Brian McLaren Paints Critics as Gay-Hating Bigots" rel="bookmark" href="http://www.crosstalkblog.com/2009/11/brian-mclaren-paints-critics-as-gay-hating-bigots/">Brian McLaren Paints Critics as Gay-Hating Bigots </a></h1>
<p>by Ingrid Schlueter</p>
<p>Emergent author Brian McLaren doesn&#8217;t believe in a literal <a href="http://herescope.blogspot.com/2008/11/coming-kingdom.html"><span style="color:#de2123;">Second Coming</span></a> of Jesus. He has problems with the penal <a href="http://apprising.org/2008/10/brian-mclaren-attacks-the-substitutionary-atonement/"><span style="color:#de2123;">substitutionary atonement</span></a> of Jesus on the cross. A <a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/q-r-hell-etc.html"><span style="color:#de2123;">literal hell with eternal torment</span></a> for those who reject Christ? Not likely. The Genesis account of the fall of man? <a href="http://www.alittleleaven.com/2009/04/brian-mclaren-denies-the-historicity-of-genesis-fall-of-man-narrative.html"><span style="color:#de2123;">Not true</span></a>. But instead of addressing his own spiritual rebellion, Brian appears to want to paint his critics as bigots. In a <a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/if-you-believe-homosexuality-is.html#more"><span style="color:#de2123;">recent blog post</span></a>, McLaren demands that what he calls &#8220;discernment websites&#8221; (he used the quote marks) address an African country&#8217;s attempts to codify severe penalties for homosexuality into law. He seems to imply that these same &#8220;discernment ministries&#8221; would automatically support the arrest and execution of gays by Uganda.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>For the record, Brian, that&#8217;s a pretty nasty strategy to use against those who point to your heretical doctrinal views. While emergents supposedly are intellectual, open-minded people who enjoy conversations with subtle nuances and lots of mystery, McLaren actually sees things in black and white. Anyone who is not willing to jettison cardinal doctrine and embrace his &#8220;new kind of Christianity&#8221; is painted as ready to commit hate crimes and would support mistreating gays. What an appallingly <em>dishonest</em> way to deal with your critics, McLaren.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ken was found wounded in the fray but not hurt. We asked him for comment and all he could <a href="http://apprising.org/2009/11/putting-brian-mclaren-in-his-place/">murmur</a> was:</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s interesting this “minister” would place quotations around “discernment websites.” Well, as one of said sites, I can tell McLaren that I personally do not at all “enjoy featuring and critiquing the work” of any of these postliberal rebels against the final authority of God’s Word. The Lord knows that I’d much rather go back to apologetics and evangelizing those lost in the kingdom of the cults.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed this is why we must go back on the aggressive defense and <a href="http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs018/1102797716062/archive/1102857423031.html">never compromise on preaching the whole ‘discernmentalist’ truth</a> to all liberal, apostate, heretics!</p>
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