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<title><![CDATA[Delayed-Action Flood]]></title>
<link>http://eyeonicr.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/delayed-action-flood/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Lacking a DpSU for today as we seem to be it&#8217;s time to return to the Acts &amp; Facts magazine]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://eyeonicr.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/delayed-action-flood/plates_tect/" rel="attachment wp-att-6107"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-6107" title="Modern plate tectonics (click to enlarge)" alt="Modern Plate Tectonics" src="http://eyeonicr.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/plates_tect.png?w=150&#038;h=102" width="150" height="102" /></a>Lacking a DpSU for today as we seem to be it&#8217;s time to return to the <em>Acts &#38; Facts</em> magazine for February. Our article is John Morris&#8217; <a title="ICR: Geologic Changes to the Very Good Earth" href="http://www.icr.org/article/7238/" target="_blank"><em>Geologic Changes to the Very Good Earth</em></a>, which is apparently another adaptation from his recent book, <em>The Global Flood: Unlocking Earth’s Geologic History</em>. The topic of this excerpt is plate tectonics.</p>
<blockquote style="background-image:url('http://eyeonicr.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/icr-02.png');background-repeat:no-repeat;"><p>The Flood cataclysm dramatically morphed the early earth into the earth we know today. Its original “very good” state was pleasant and stable (<a href="http://www.icr.org/bible/Genesis/1/31">Genesis 1:31</a>), but today things are not so quiescent. Earth’s crustal plates move relative to one another. If they collide, they either crumple up into mountains or plunge one beneath the other, producing volcanoes, earthquakes, and tsunamis.</p></blockquote>
<p>Genesis 1:31 is of course the verse where God calls His creation &#8220;very good,&#8221; but the extrapolation that this must mean that the Earth was then &#8211; geologically speaking &#8211; &#8220;pleasant and stable&#8221; would appear to be baseless. What, exactly, is &#8220;very good&#8221; to an omnipotent and omniscient deity anyway? Consider the implications if He happened to be quite fond of volcanic mudpools (they&#8217;re actually supposed to be quite good for you, so would that make their omission an imperfection?).<!--more--></p>
<p>Morris cannot actually give very much in the way of specifics about this supposedly perfect world:</p>
<blockquote style="background-image:url('http://eyeonicr.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/icr-02.png');background-repeat:no-repeat;"><p>In the original earth, most continents may have been connected as one great stationary supercontinent, but we can’t be sure. Creationists generally agree with plate tectonic theory, but they propose that the movements were much more rapid than what the uniformitarians teach. Whether or not the continents were connected at creation, it appears that all the land masses were together sometime during the Flood because rock strata traits match and continental boundaries fit together like puzzle pieces. Creationist geophysicists consider it likely that continents were indeed together at the height of the Flood and then violently separated.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://eyeonicr.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/delayed-action-flood/maksimovsky_rock_chusovaya_river/" rel="attachment wp-att-6111"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-6111" title="The Maksimovsky rock in the river Chusovaya in the Ural Mountains." alt="Maksimovsky rock" src="http://eyeonicr.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/maksimovsky_rock_chusovaya_river.jpg?w=150&#038;h=127" width="150" height="127" /></a>The creationist <a title="RW: Catastrophic plate tectonics" href="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Catastrophic_plate_tectonics" target="_blank">catastrophic plate tectonics</a> model usually begins with a continental arrangement that is very similar to pangea, the most famous (and most recent) supercontinent. The trouble with this idea &#8211; and quite possibly the reason why Morris isn&#8217;t about to commit to it &#8211; is that geology didn&#8217;t start there. While many of the most familiar modern mountain ranges owe their existence to the tectonic movements since the breakup of that continent, a few others are much older, including Russia&#8217;s Urals, North America&#8217;s Appalachians, and Australia&#8217;s &#8220;Great Dividing Range.&#8221; Pangea would already have contained the sediments of ages, sediment that creationists claim was laid down in an event yet to take place. Most importantly, pangea was not the first supercontinent &#8211; there is evidence of plenty of tectonic movement before that.</p>
<p>On the flip side, having the continents start in the pangea position is just so <em>convenient</em> for the catastrophic plate tectonics idea. You don&#8217;t have to deal with continents suddenly deciding to change directions, or have them move nearly so fast (still <em>very fast</em> though). It&#8217;s an attractive idea, but <a title="A Catastrophic Breakup: A Scientific Look at Catastrophic Plate Tectonics (Review by Greg Neyman)" href="http://www.oldearth.org/rebuttal/aig/Answers/2007/answers_v2_n2_tectonics.htm" target="_blank">a flawed one</a>. Knowing this it is wise for Morris not to commit to anything, but we are left in a rather strange situation: we are told of an arrangement that is &#8220;very good&#8221; &#8211; perfect, even &#8211; but we have no idea what it would look like.</p>
<blockquote style="background-image:url('http://eyeonicr.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/icr-02.png');background-repeat:no-repeat;"><p>The rapid raising of the continents out of the ocean on Day Three of creation week required forces of unthinkable magnitude. Once creation was completed, however, forces no longer acted in a fashion powerful enough to rend plates asunder and move them from their original locations.</p>
<p>Fossils of trees living before the Flood seldom give evidence that they grew at high altitudes. Present mountain chains were forced upward by the Flood.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is rather difficult to fossilise anything at high altitudes, as sediment tends to be eroded from such an environment. Determining the altitude where a tree that has been washed down a river lived would be almost as hard, I should think. As such this absence of evidence makes for very poor evidence of absence. Creationists do like to posit, in effect, that there were no &#8220;<a title="Genesis 7:17, KJV" href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/7.html#19" target="_blank">high hills</a>&#8221; prior to the flood for the waters to cover.</p>
<blockquote style="background-image:url('http://eyeonicr.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/icr-02.png');background-repeat:no-repeat;"><p>There must have been some difference in elevation before the Flood because rivers fed by the “fountains of the great deep” flowed by gravity to lower elevations (<a href="http://www.icr.org/bible/Genesis/7/11">Genesis 7:11</a>). Rivers of today are fed by snow and rain, but pre-Flood rivers were supplied by underground water sources and a nightly heavy mist.</p></blockquote>
<p>Genesis 7:11 never actually says that the &#8220;fountains of the great deep&#8221; fed rivers prior to the flood, merely that they were &#8220;broken up&#8221; at the start of the flood. In fact, it is sometimes claimed that their mention is proof that the biblical authors knew about underwater springs &#8211; they certainly cannot be both. Meanwhile a global climate that includes no rain (I have never understood that condition) but mist enough to feed rivers would be a sight to see.</p>
<blockquote style="background-image:url('http://eyeonicr.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/icr-02.png');background-repeat:no-repeat;"><p>In Genesis 7:11, the Flood began with the breaking open of “all the fountains of the great deep.” Those on the ocean bottom caused a series of devastating reactions that fully altered the planet. Giant energy waves—tsunamis—rippled out from the quaking fountains, forcing water inland. Earthquakes and tectonic convulsions rattled the continents. Upwelling, molten magma evaporated seawater, spraying vapor into the atmosphere, continually resupplying “the windows of heaven,” and inundating earth with an unparalleled downpour and the resulting erosion. There was a special intensity for the first “forty days and forty nights,” but the tumultuous rain didn’t stop for five months (see <a href="http://www.icr.org/bible/Genesis/7/11-12">Genesis 7:11-12</a>, 8:3). Shock waves reverberated throughout the ocean, bringing unimaginable devastation to sea life. Waves of water and loose sediments carrying sea creatures were repeatedly pushed inland.</p></blockquote>
<p>I almost called this post &#8220;A Vision of the Flood,&#8221; but I <a title="A Vision of the Flood" href="http://eyeonicr.wordpress.com/2012/03/21/a-vision-of-the-flood/" target="_blank">already used that</a>. As it happens this &#8220;vision&#8221; is quite unbiblical: even ignoring all the things that <em>aren&#8217;t</em> in the bible, the claim that the rain did not stop for five months flatly contradicts what the account actually says. Genesis 7:11-12 reads:</p>
<blockquote><p>In the six hundredth year of Noah&#8217;s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.</p>
<p>And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.</p></blockquote>
<p>This would seem to say that the rain stopped after 40 days. <a title="Genesis 8, KJV" href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/8.html" target="_blank">Genesis 8:3</a>, meanwhile, says:</p>
<blockquote><p>And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.</p></blockquote>
<p>We have previously seen it claimed (and we will again in the next paragraph) that the first part of this verse means that the water &#8220;continuously&#8221; flowed on and off the continents like the tide, rather than the more obvious reading that this means that the water simply drained, er, continuously. Whatever it means, this verse says <em>nothing</em> about when the rain stopped. The previous verse, actually, does mention the rain stopping but doesn&#8217;t tell us when with any more detail than that it was at some point before the end of the 150 days.</p>
<blockquote style="background-image:url('http://eyeonicr.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/icr-02.png');background-repeat:no-repeat;"><p>These actions led to the fossilization of trillions of marine organisms. First to be affected were dwellers of the ocean depths, directly impacted as the “fountains” burst open. Next, those in the continental shelf regions were devastated, followed by the coastline inhabitants, then those in low-lying areas, and, finally, the upland denizens. (This series mirrors the general sequence on the uniformitarian’s Geologic Column.) The waters continued rising in waves until the pre-Flood mountains were submerged. An abnormally high but fluctuating sea level was maintained throughout the Flood as complex interaction between tectonic and hydrodynamic forces caused the water to come and go in surges. Finally, during the next seven months, the waters drained off into newly deepened and widened ocean basins, exposing dry land and ending the Flood episode.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;This series mirrors the general sequence on the uniformitarian’s Geologic Column.&#8221; Oh <em>really</em> now? Wherever did he get <em>that</em> idea from? I wonder, given this, what Morris would make of the <a title="Land Creatures Might Not Have Come From The Sea" href="http://www.npr.org/2012/12/12/167052782/land-creatures-might-not-have-come-from-the-sea" target="_blank">recent claim</a> that the ancient Edicaran fossils were actually lain down on land. Oh, and take a look at that handwaving about &#8220;complex interactions between tectonic and hydrodynamic forces.&#8221;</p>
<p>Morris concludes:</p>
<blockquote style="background-image:url('http://eyeonicr.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/icr-02.png');background-repeat:no-repeat;"><p>The pre-Flood world—existing in wonderful equilibrium since creation—literally ruptured. The unleashed forces continued for some time, until the relative balance we now experience was re-established. The once “very good” earth was ruined by man’s sinful rebellion.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is why I called the flood &#8220;delayed action.&#8221; The bible gives <a title="Genesis 6, KJV" href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/6.html" target="_blank">very little detail</a> about <em>why</em> the flood actually occurred, jumping straight from reminiscing about the old days when men were real men <em>etcetera</em> to declaring that the whole thing was a wicked mess. The young Earth creationists thus tend to link the flood directly with the Original Sin, but this ignores the thousands of years that are supposed to have separated them. The flood narrative is just weird, and lacking the detail that it does it is no wonder that creationists just make up what they don&#8217;t have.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Around the web 5/12/2012]]></title>
<link>http://geochristian.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/around-the-web-5122012/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 18:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[YEC and Dispensationalism &#8212; The discussion on my 1000th post has been interesting: the relatio]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>YEC and Dispensationalism</strong> &#8212; The discussion on my <a href="http://geochristian.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/1000/">1000</a>th post has been interesting: the relationship between young-Earth creationism and dispensationalism. Dispensationalism is the theological system that divides salvation history into &#8220;dispensations&#8221; or periods of time in which God relates to humans in distinct ways. Usually, the last dispensation&#8212;that is, the End Times&#8212;is just around the corner. Popular dispensationalist authors have included Hal Lindsey (<em>The Late Great Planet Earth</em>), Tim LaHaye (<em>Left Behind</em>), and Charles Ryrie (<em>The Ryrie Study Bible</em>). I was a member of a <a href="http://www.gbcmt.org/">dispensationalist YEC church</a> in college, and was greatly blessed by the teaching and people, but I am now neither YEC nor dispensationalist.</p>
<p><strong>Catastrophic Plate Tectonics</strong> &#8212; I have made a few comments on Jay Wile&#8217;s post <a href="http://blog.drwile.com/?p=7470">Those Plates, They Are A-Movin&#8217;</a> on his Proslogion blog. Most YECs now accept that the evidence for plate movement is overwhelming, so they have proposed various models for hyper-rapid plate movement during Noah&#8217;s flood. The most popular explanation among mainstream YECs right now is something called <a href="http://www.globalflood.org/papers/2003ICCcpt.html">Catastrophic Plate Tectonics</a>. Of course, to them CPT explains everything, and problems with CO<sub>2</sub> and SO<sub>2</sub> production; cooling rates, the structure of oceanic crust, hot-spot volcanism (e.g. Hawaii-Emperor Seamounts), guyot formation, and differentiation of subduction-related magmas are inconsequential.</p>
<p><strong>No room in the middle</strong> &#8212; Veteran Indiana senator Richard Lugar was defeated in the primary election by a Tea Partier. Lugar&#8217;s comments after his defeat point to the divisiveness that characterizes modern American politics:</p>
<blockquote><p>Too often bipartisanship is equated with centrism or deal cutting. Bipartisanship is not the opposite of principle. One can be very conservative or very liberal and still have a bipartisan mindset. Such a mindset acknowledges that the other party is also patriotic and may have some good ideas. It acknowledges that national unity is important, and that aggressive partisanship deepens cynicism, sharpens political vendettas, and depletes the national reserve of good will that is critical to our survival in hard times….</p>
<p>I don’t remember a time when so many topics have become politically unmentionable in one party or the other. Republicans cannot admit to any nuance in policy on climate change. Republican members are now expected to take pledges against any tax increases. For two consecutive Presidential nomination cycles, GOP candidates competed with one another to express the most strident anti-immigration view, even at the risk of alienating a huge voting bloc. Similarly, most Democrats are constrained when talking about such issues as entitlement cuts, tort reform, and trade agreements. Our political system is losing its ability to even explore alternatives. If fealty to these pledges continues to expand, legislators may pledge their way into irrelevance. Voters will be electing a slate of inflexible positions rather than a leader.</p></blockquote>
<p>I got this quote from <a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/senator-lugars-lament">Internet Monk</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Paper napkins</strong> &#8211; <a href="http://lazyhippiemama.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/one-less/">Lazyhippiemama</a> informs us that the average American uses 2200 paper napkins per year. If each of us used one less paper napkin per day, that would reduce our paper napkin use by 313,000,000 paper napkins per day. [That comes out to a reduction of 114,245,000,000 paper napkins per year].</p>
<p><strong>Canada doesn&#8217;t make cents</strong> &#8212; Canada is not only <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/canada-penniless-marks-coins-end-182928552.html;_ylt=A2KJNF_EhqhP1AUAe9DQtDMD">eliminating the one-cent coin</a>, they are changing the <a href="http://worldcoinnews.blogspot.com/2012/04/canada-1-2-dollars-2012-new-material.html">appearance and composition</a> of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loonie">loonie</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toonie">toonie</a> ($1 and $2 coins) to <a href="http://worldcoinnews.blogspot.com/2012/04/canada-1-2-dollars-2012-new-material.html">save money and make them more difficult to counterfeit</a>. The Canadian cent was eliminated primarily as a cost-saving measure. United States cents are also expensive to produce (it costs more than two cents to make a cent), but so far the only thing the U.S. government has done about it is to criminalize the melting or export of pennies (and nickels).</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Colorado Plateau: Parks Signs Have It All Figured Out, But...]]></title>
<link>http://thebibleistheotherside.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/colorado-plateau-parks-signs-have-it-all-figured-out-but/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 07:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Rapid sea floor spreading and glacial mega-lineations]]></title>
<link>http://thenewcreationism.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/rapid-sea-floor-spreading-and-glacial-mega-lineations/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a busy week — not much opportunity for blogging — but I&#8217;ve just got time to mention a couple of items from the recent literature.</p>
<p>First, new simulations described in the August edition of <em>Geology</em> suggest that oceanic crust was being produced at higher rates in the middle to late Cretaceous (~70-90 mm per year) compared with the present day (<a href="http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/37/8/687.abstract">Seton et al 2009</a>). As a consequence, the average age of the Cretaceous sea floor was younger than today. The lower density of this young ocean crust led to a reduction in the relative volume of the ocean basins, thus displacing ocean water onto the continents. When the pulse of rapid sea floor spreading ended, the oceanic lithosphere cooled, subsided, and global sea level fell. Now imagine, if you will, a time when sea floor spreading rates were much, much higher than the present day, not by tens of millimetres per year, but by orders of magnitude. <a href="http://www.icr.org/article/catastrophic-plate-tectonics-flood-model/">Catastrophic plate tectonics leading to global flooding of the continents</a>, anyone?</p>
<p>Second, a paper in <em>Nature Geoscience</em> reports mega-scale glacial lineations from the bed of a West Antarctic ice stream that are indistinguishable from those found associated with ancient examples, such as the palaeo-bed of Dubawnt Lake ice stream in northern Canada (<a href="http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ngeo581.html">King et al 2009</a>). The evidence indicates that these subglacial bedforms are associated with fast flowing ice and evolve rapidly (on decadal timescales). For creationists, this has interesting implications for the interpretation of relict landforms associated with the rapid ice advance following the global Flood.</p>
<p><strong>References</strong></p>
<p>King E. C., Hindmarsh R. C. A. and Stokes C. R. 2009. <a href="http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ngeo581.html">Formation of mega-scale glacial lineations observed beneath a West Antarctic ice stream.</a> <em>Nature Geoscience</em> 2(8):585-588.</p>
<p>Seton M., Gaina C., Müller R. D. and Heine C. 2009. <a href="http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/37/8/687.abstract">Mid-Cretaceous seafloor spreading pulse: fact or fiction?</a> <em>Geology</em> 37(8):687-690.</p>
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