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<title><![CDATA[Scripture and Scotch Revisited]]></title>
<link>http://thomcole.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/scripture-and-scotch-revisited/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Thom Cole</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[In case you missed the original post, it can be found here and you might want to read it first.  The]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Scripture &amp; Scotch?]]></title>
<link>http://thomcole.wordpress.com/2013/03/05/scripture-scotch/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Thom Cole</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[My wife came and told me that she saw an event on Facebook that was endorsed by a pastors wife that]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Chris Rosebrough's Museum of Idolatry]]></title>
<link>http://thomcole.wordpress.com/2012/09/25/chris-rosebroughs-museum-of-idolatry/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 19:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Thom Cole</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Obviously not for the faint of heart, but it is what the evangelical community has had to resort too]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Ten Contemporary Sacred Cows that need Tipping]]></title>
<link>http://thomcole.wordpress.com/2012/07/23/ten-contemporary-sacred-cows-that-need-tipping/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Thom Cole</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Found this an interesting read this morning.  1. Entertainment-based Sermons Pastors/elders/teachers]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[The Devil's Mission of Amusement]]></title>
<link>http://thomcole.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/the-devils-mission-of-amusment/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Thom Cole</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[In my perusings this morning I came across something by Archibald Brown that is so applicable to wha]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Harold Camping's May 21st Doomsday Extravaganza! ]]></title>
<link>http://siriusknotts.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/harold-campings-may-21st-doomsday-extravaganza/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 09:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Tony Breeden</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Some people never learn. Harold Camping of Family Radio is a good case in point. Harold Camping has]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Are Old Earth &amp; Young Earth Creationism Both Biblical, Orthodox Interpretations? A Response to Dr Jay Wile's Big Tent Orthodoxy Position &amp; the 21st Century Down-Grade]]></title>
<link>http://siriusknotts.wordpress.com/2011/03/26/are-old-earth-young-earth-creationism-both-biblical-orthodox-interpretations-a-response-to-dr-jay-wiles-big-tent-orthodoxy-position-the-21st-century-down-grade/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 02:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Tony Breeden</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Who Will Warn Us When They Make It A Sin To Speak Plainly? The other day I received a phone call fro]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA["Generations Yet Unborn Will Curse Our Name" Charles Spurgeon and the Down Grade Controversy]]></title>
<link>http://erictyoung.com/2010/07/21/generations-yet-unborn-will-curse-our-names-charles-spurgeon/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>ethomasyoung</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;Generations Yet Unborn Will Curse Our Name&#8221; Charles Spurgeon and the Down Grade Controversy</strong></p>
<div id="attachment_3934" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 164px"><img src="http://erictyoung.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/c-h-spurgeon.png?w=154&#038;h=300" alt="" title="C.H. Spurgeon" width="154" height="300" class="size-medium wp-image-3934" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Charles Spurgeon</p></div>
<p>It has been said that Charles Spurgeon&#8217;s life was cut short due to exhaustion from battling the dead churches in England, who had abandoned the great doctrines of the faith, and also warning those who were on the &#8220;Down-Grade&#8221; , of their doctrinal indifference and calling for a robust stand for the truth of God&#8217;s Word. Doctrines which Spurgeon&#8217;s, and our, martyred ancestors had given their lives defending.</p>
<p>On 5 February, 1888 Spurgeon delivered a famous sermon, which was a serious call to all believers to defend the faith. The sermon was titled, &#8220;Holding Fast the Faith.&#8221; <a href="http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols34-36/chs2007.pdf">(link to entire sermon) </a></p>
<p>Sadly, it has also been said that the times in which the church finds itself today are certainly equal to, if not worse than Spurgeon&#8217;s time. Doctrinal indifference is probably at an all time high, and desire for false unity, as well. Therefore, these words by Spurgeon are certainly timely. Words which all Christians must take seriously. We do not need a Luther or a Calvin in our day. We need a thousand Luthers and Calvins. The battle for the truth is the job of every believer. Not just a few.    — Eric T. Young</p>
<p>At the end of the sermon Charles Spurgeon stated,<br />
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<p style="padding-left:30px;">&#8220;Yet imagine that in those ages past, Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, and their compeers had said, &#8216;The world is out of order but if we try to set it right we shall only make a great row and get ourselves into disgrace. Let&#8217;s go to our chambers, put on our nightcaps and sleep over the bad times and perhaps when we wake up things will have grown better.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">&#8220;Such conduct on their part would have entailed upon us a heritage of error. Age after age would have gone down into the infernal deeps and the pestiferous bogs of error would have swallowed all. These men loved the faith and the name of Jesus too well to see them trampled on. Note what we owe them and let us pay to our sons the debt we owe our fathers. Decision is needed. Here is the day for the man—where is the man for the day? We who have had the Gospel passed to us by martyr’s hands dare not trifle with it—nor sit by and hear it denied by traitors who pretend to love it but inwardly abhor every line of it.The faith I hold bears upon it marks of the blood of my ancestors. Shall I deny their faith, for which they left their native<br />
land to sojourn here?&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">&#8220;Look you, Sirs, there are ages yet to come. If the Lord does not speedily appear, there will come another generation and another and all these generations will be tainted and injured if we are not faithful to God and to His Truth today. We have come to a turning point in the road. If we turn to the right, maybe our children and our children’s children will go that way. But if we turn to the left, generations yet unborn will curse our names for having been unfaithful to God and to His Word. I charge you, not only by your ancestry but by your posterity, that you seek to win the commendation of your Master—that though you dwell where Satan’s seat is—you hold fast His name and do not deny His faith.&#8221;</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Down Grading Christ (2)]]></title>
<link>http://transforminggrace.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/down-grading-christ-2/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>neilrobbie</dc:creator>
<guid>http://transforminggrace.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/down-grading-christ-2/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[In this extract from The Down Grade Controversy, Charles Spurgeon highlights the danger of both theo]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this extract from The Down Grade Controversy, Charles Spurgeon highlights the danger of both theological and practical Arianism.  The former denies the theological principles of Christ as fully God and fully man and the latter denies Christ by an air of cold detachment from the truth.</p>
<blockquote><p>In most cases, in both preachers and hearers, it was only a short step down from the Arianism which makes the eternal Son of God a super-angelic being to the Socinianism (miscalled Unitarianism) which makes him a man only, denying alike original sin, human depravity, the mediation of Christ, the personality and work of the eternal Spirit, and that new birth without which divine truth has declared no one can see the kingdom of God. The descent of some few was less gradual, but more commonly, when once on “the down grade” their progress was slow, though unhappily sure. The central truth of Calvinism, as of the Gospel, is the person and work and offices of the Lord Jesus Christ. We love to use this Pauline and inspired description of our divine Savior and royal Master, and so to “give unto the Lord the glory due unto his name.” When men begin to hesitate about, and hold back the truth in relation to him, it is a sign of an unhealthy state of soul; and when these truths are diluted, omitted, or otherwise  tampered with, it is a sign which in plain words means “Beware.”</p>
<p>The remark of a writer of reliable ability in reference to these times is worthy of quotation:—</p>
<p>“The deficiency of evangelical principles in some, and the coldness with which they came from the lips of others, seem to have prepared the way for the relinquishment of them, and for the introduction, first of Arminianism, and then of Arianism.”</p></blockquote>
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<title><![CDATA[Calvinists the cause of the "Down-Grade?"]]></title>
<link>http://onepilgrimsprogress.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/calvinists-the-cause-of-the-down-grade/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Chris Poe</dc:creator>
<guid>http://onepilgrimsprogress.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/calvinists-the-cause-of-the-down-grade/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[According to Bob L. Ross, Spurgeon blamed the Down Grade on Calvinism, or specifically, the &#8220;H]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to <a href="http://calvinistflyswatter.blogspot.com/2008/12/spurgeon-downgrade-began-with.html" target="_blank">Bob L. Ross</a>, Spurgeon blamed the Down Grade on Calvinism, or specifically, the &#8220;Hybrid Calvinism&#8221; that Ross says is taught by Reformed paedobaptists as well as some &#8220;Reformed Baptists&#8221; and those who are affiliated with Founders Ministries. As will soon become clear, nothing could be further from the truth, unless by &#8220;Hybrid Calvinism&#8221; Ross means baptismal regeneration. But since the Down Grade was a significant problem among Baptists and there is no evidence that either Calvinism or &#8220;Hybrid Calvinism&#8221; were the cause, it would seem obvious that there is another explanation.</p>
<p>In March 1887, two articles on the &#8220;Down Grade&#8221; appeared in the Sword and the Trowel. This marked the beginning of the famous Down Grade controversy that continued until Spurgeon&#8217;s death. The issue contained two articles that were issued anonymously which were authored by Robert Shindler, a Baptist pastor who was an associate of Spurgeon&#8217;s. They can be found <a href="http://www.spurgeon.org/s_and_t/dg01.htm" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://www.spurgeon.org/s_and_t/dg02.htm" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>Generally, the articles trace the decline of orthodoxy (i.e. the Down Grade) among the dissenters. Now, as Ross notes, the first article does say that the Presbyterians were the first to &#8220;get on the downline&#8221;. But one searches it in vain to find &#8220;hybrid Calvinism&#8221; given as a cause. In the 18th Century the English Presbyterians embarked upon a path toward apostasy. This was hastened by their view that &#8220;baptized&#8221; children were to be regarded as regenerate* and entitled to participate in the Lord&#8217;s Supper so long as they were outwardly moral.  There was also a tendency to pay inordinate attention to &#8220;classical attainments&#8221; as Shindler notes. However, the Presbyterians decline was also due to their defection from Calvinism that eventually led to them embracing various heretical views, as the same article makes clear. Indeed, that theme is repeated several times in both articles. The reasons for the Presbyterians leading the way on the &#8220;downline&#8221; were attributable primarily to their ecclesiology and to a lesser extent to cultural factors that had nothing to do with why Baptists and other nonconformists eventually did the same by the 19th Century.</p>
<p>For some reason the following passages from the Sword and Trowel Down Grade issue were ignored in the post &#8220;The Ignored Spurgeon&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The General [i.e. Arminian] Baptists have yet to be noticed. And here we must draw a line hard and sharp between the Old Connexion and the New Connexion. The latter was formed in 1770, and was the result of the heterodoxy of the former. The Old Connexion generally became Arianized, and, with hardly an exception, followed on &#8220;the down grade&#8221; to Socinianism. A writer of acknowledged repute, writing at the early part of the present century, makes this rather startling statement:—<br />
&#8220;Arminianism among the dissenters has, in general, been a cold, dry, and lifeless system, and its effects upon the heart have been commonly weak and spiritless. With the General Baptists, who avowed it to be their creed, this was remarkably the effect, and their congregations did not increase. Besides, from facts too stubborn to be bent, and too numerous to be contradicted, Arminianism has been among them the common road to Arianism and Socinianism. Their ministers and congregations were the first who openly professed these opinions; and their societies have felt the decay which these opinions have uniformly produced.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The writer is of opinion that the great majority of those who are sound in the doctrine of inspiration, are more or less Calvinistic in doctrine&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Perhaps it cannot be contradicted that, in proportion as any sect recedes from Calvinism, their veneration for the Scriptures is diminished The Bible is the Calvinist&#8217;s creed.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>&#8220;Arminianism has been among them the common road to Arianism and Socinianism&#8221;</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>The article gives examples from the Presbyterians, Independents and Baptists that suppport the idea that generally moving from Calvinism toward Arminianism is often the first step in the Down Grade that eventually leads to heresy if not outright unbelief.</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t know that Bro. Ross would necessarily disagree with this concept of a slippery slope from abandoning Calvinism for Arminianism and eventually to unbelief since he says he holds to &#8220;creedal Calvinism.&#8221; But the idea that a move away from Calvinism is a move away from orthodoxy is objected to strongly by those non Calvinists in the Southern Baptist Convention who have reveled in Bro. Ross&#8217; attacks on &#8220;Hybrid Calvinism.&#8221; Indeed, at the recent John 3:16 conference we heard the opposite assertion, that a move toward Calvinism is a move away from the gospel. Ross notes that Spurgeon said that the &#8220;great evangelical truths&#8221; are far more important than Calvinism vs. Arminianism and that many evangelical Arminians were in agreement with him on the Down Grade. I agree wholeheartedly. But nonetheless the idea that a move toward Arminianism is often the first step on the downgrade was repeated several times in the Down Grade articles, and it was repeated by Spurgeon himself in the <a href="http://www.spurgeon.org/s_and_t/0487nts.htm" target="_blank">Notes from the Downgrade</a> article from April 1887. Spurgeon and Shindler certainly didn&#8217;t blame Calvinism for the Down Grade. The following from that article appears to be a good summary of Spurgeon&#8217;s views on the matter:</p>
<blockquote><p>We care far more for the central evangelical truths than we do for Calvinism as a system; but we believe that Calvinism has in it a conservative force which helps to hold men to the vital truth, and therefore we are sorry to see any quitting it who have once accepted it. Those who hold the eternal verities of salvation, and yet do not see all that we believe and embrace, are by no means the objects of our opposition. Our warfare is with men who are giving up the atoning sacrifice, denying the inspiration of Holy Scripture, and casting slurs upon justification by faith. The present struggle is not a debate upon the question of Calvinism or Arminianism, but of the truth of God versus the inventions of men. All who believe the gospel should unite against that &#8220;modern thought&#8221; which is its deadly enemy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Those on both sides of the Calvinism debate would do well to pay heed to these words.</p>
<p>Baptismal regeneration is a worse error than evangelical Arminianism. But very few conservative Presbyterians today are guilty of believing it, certainly not to the extent that the English Presbyterians who followed Doddridge did. This is particularly true of the type of Presbyterians who are involved in things like Together for the Gospel. Now, it is clear that many &#8220;Reformed Baptists&#8221; would rather fellowship with Presbyterians rather than otherwise sound Baptists who just don&#8217;t happen to be 5 pointers. Not for nothing have they sometimes been termed &#8220;High Water Presbyterians.&#8221; As Spurgeon recognized, there are many things that confessional Presbyterians and Particular Baptists have in common. What separates us was perhaps clearer in Spurgeon&#8217;s day than ours since ecclesiology is too often a neglected subject. But it would seem that we&#8217;d be better served to refrain from selectively quoting a few statements that have the tendency to give a false impression of a work as a whole, especially given the current situation in which some are looking to blame Calvinism for the perceived ills in the SBC. Further, whether or not someone believes that regeneration precedes faith, the idea that baptized infants are always regenerated in their infancy as Ross appears to suggest in his attacks on &#8220;hybrid Calvinism&#8221; is clearly not supported by the Presbyterian&#8217;s <a href="http://reformed.org/documents/westminster_conf_of_faith.html#chap28">Westminster Confession of Faith</a>, as I believe Ross has noted in the past. Whether we agree with it or not, the idea that regeneration precedes faith really has nothing to do with paedobaptism at all. This is demonstrated by the fact that several of those who Bro. Ross cites in support of his &#8220;creedal Calvinist&#8221; views were paedobaptists themselves.</p>
<p>In closing, I do want to make clear how thankful we should be for Bro. Ross&#8217; labors in publishing unabridged versions of all of Spurgeon&#8217;s works. Through the years he has also published a number of helpful books, including <a href="http://www.pilgrimpublications.com/writings.htm">Old Landmarkism and the Baptists</a> which I have recently found to be very helpful.</p>
<p><a name="HTML"></a>*The debate on how to view the so called &#8220;children of the covenant&#8221; (baptized children) has been a long running one among Presbyterians. Few conservative Presbyterians today would agree with the practice of the English Presbyterians that led to &#8220;children of the covenant&#8221; being admitted to the table without a profession of faith. Those who do believe that children should be admitted to the table without a profession of faith have recently had their views rejected by every conservative Presbyterian denomination of significance.</p>
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