<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><!-- generator="wordpress.com" -->
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	>

<channel>
	<title>ecumenism &amp;laquo; WordPress.com Tag Feed</title>
	<link>http://en.wordpress.com/tag/ecumenism/</link>
	<description>Feed of posts on WordPress.com tagged "ecumenism"</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:12:46 +0000</pubDate>

	<generator>http://en.wordpress.com/tags/</generator>
	<language>en</language>

<item>
<title><![CDATA[Even the Army is Marching over the Bridge of Contemplative Spirituality]]></title>
<link>http://muddystreams.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/even-the-army-is-marching-over-the-bridge-of-contemplative-spirituality/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>the olives</dc:creator>
<guid>http://muddystreams.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/even-the-army-is-marching-over-the-bridge-of-contemplative-spirituality/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Efforts Underway to Train U.S. Military Chaplains and Personnel in Eastern Mysticism As a follow up ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><blockquote><p>
<strong>Efforts Underway to Train U.S. Military Chaplains and Personnel in Eastern Mysticism</strong></p>
<p>As a follow up to our recent posting about a new film, The Men Who Stare at Goats, we are issuing this special news report about a project currently underway with US Military Chaplains and other military personnel to receive ongoing training in contemplative mysticism.  Those who understand the serious implications of the contemplative/emerging spirituality will likely be quite troubled by this report.</p>
<p>The Center for Contemplative Mind in Society was founded in 1991 and was inspired by retreats led by Thich Nhat Hanh (a Buddhist) and Ram Dass (a Hindu). The Center states that its “intention is ‘not to isolate meditation, but to reflect on the contemplative traditions as powerful techniques that have potential for beneficial change in American society.’” 1 The Center’s objective is to bring meditation into all facets, both religious and secular, of society.</p></blockquote>
<p>More here:<br />
<a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=421"><br />
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=421</a></p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[Let’s Get Out The Cat... As in “Cat o’ Nine Tails!”]]></title>
<link>http://02varvara.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/let%e2%80%99s-get-out-the-cat-as-in-%e2%80%9ccat-o%e2%80%99-nine-tails%e2%80%9d/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>01varvara</dc:creator>
<guid>http://02varvara.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/let%e2%80%99s-get-out-the-cat-as-in-%e2%80%9ccat-o%e2%80%99-nine-tails%e2%80%9d/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Jesus and the Moneychangers (Boris Olshansky, 2006) I received a self-centred, self-congratulatory, ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p style="text-align:justify;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-11024" href="http://02varvara.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/let%e2%80%99s-get-out-the-cat-as-in-%e2%80%9ccat-o%e2%80%99-nine-tails%e2%80%9d/boris-olshansky-jesus-and-the-money-changers-2006/"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-11024" title="Boris Olshansky. Jesus and the Money-Changers. 2006" src="http://02varvara.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/boris-olshansky-jesus-and-the-money-changers-2006.jpg" alt="" width="1024" height="771" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Jesus and the Moneychangers</em> (Boris Olshansky, 2006)</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I received a self-centred, self-congratulatory, and childish comment on one of my posts. It came from a newbie upset at my criticism of JP and his kissing up to Nashotah House. Truly, I couldn’t believe that an adult could write such utter rot. What is worse, they prefaced it with a “quotation” from the Fathers torn out of context. Furthermore, they wrote a cross after their name&#8230; I kid you not (probably, a HOOMie <em>poseur</em> pretending to be Orthodox)! Obviously, I spammed it, for I don’t think that adults have a responsibility to give mewling toddlers a forum (ergo, I omit the prideful Patristic quote&#8230; such is sheer ex-Protestant rubbish, in any case). Look at this.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>I am sorry for your anger, your venom, and your ignorance. Ignorance can be improved with prayer and humility. The saints of Holy Orthodoxy weep at your words. Your pride in &#8220;Ultradoxy&#8221; may be egocentrism or ethnocentrism, but is not the right worship or right path. It is the road to hell. Repent! I weep for you. </em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I’m NOT joking and I didn’t make this up! As my <em>staritsa</em> says, “Give no quarter to ideas; give the benefit of the doubt to people”. Therefore, this person shall remain nameless and unidentified. Good Ol’ Workin’ Chap&#8230; can you believe such sheer logorrhoea? If such sorts don’t like adults talking about the Church and clerics in a mature and frank fashion, I suggest that they stick to such fluffy gurus as Stephen Freeman and Joseph Honeycutt&#8230; we don’t dispense saccharine and watery pabulum. We have good ol&#8217; meat n’ potatoes on the menu here at Vara&#8217;s Diner and Hash House; it’s all good for you, full of righteous ingredients, and tasty, too (have a greaseburger n&#8217; fries with onion n&#8217; pickles with a cold brewskie&#8230; now, that&#8217;s GOOD EATS). There are such things as corrupt clerics and nasty doings under the guise of piety and religion. Do look at Raymond Velencia, Bobby K, Iggy Burdikoff, Lyonyo Kishkovsky, and David Brum&#8230; you just can’t sweep corruption, theft, and ecumania under the rug (“the records simply don’t exist”). We must expose such doings to the open air so that we can right them. I just translated an Interfax article for an acquaintance concerning 30 years worth of child abuse by Catholic priests in Ireland. Here is an excerpt.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>In 2006, members of the Commission for the Investigation of the Catholic Diocese of Dublin appealed to officials of the Holy See to provide access to information sent to the Vatican in cases of rapes of Irish children by Catholic priests. Nevertheless, the Vatican denied these requests because they were not sent through the appropriate diplomatic channels. In turn, the Commission explained that its activity was completely independent from the government, therefore, its members did not have to use official channels to obtain information. In February 2007, and early in 2009, the Vatican ignored two similar requests from the Commission, the BBC said. The report says that the Catholic Church and the Irish police knew about cases of child abuse, but, they ignored this information and took no action to curb the incidents. On Thursday, after the publication of the report, the head of the Catholic Church of Ireland, Seán Baptist Cardinal Brady, Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland, expressed regret in connection with the rape of children by priests between 1975 and 2004, and the fact that the Church long concealed the facts. Officials of the Irish Government also extended their apologies.</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://www.interfax-religion.ru/?act=news&#38;div=33120">http://www.interfax-religion.ru/?act=news&#38;div=33120</a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">What are we supposed to do? Are we to keep silence concerning enormities committed by clergy “for the good of our souls?” I’ll check into Bedlam with Mr Scrooge and take tea with the Queen of Hearts. JP and Hatfield had no right signing an accord with an unrepentantly Proddie institution that is an integral part of the TEC (in short, JP signed an agreement with Ms Jefferts-Schori&#8230; what utter blasphemy). Nashotah House is a typical Calvinist Evangelical Anglican seminary that approves of the ordination of women, “comprehensiveness”, and the branch theory. I have no doubt that Mr Munday, the dean, is a personable fellow and that he is a typical Anglican&#8230; that is, no bad sort at all. However, that does not mean that we sign pacts with them to legitimatise them.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Angry? Ignorant? Egocentrism? Ethnocentrism? Damn right, I’m angry&#8230; it&#8217;s not right to use the Church to enrich oneself or hurt others&#8230; I&#8217;m NOT alone in thinking that. You chide me for ignorance&#8230; child, I’ve forgotten more things about Orthodox history, life, and theology than you’ve ever learned. It is not egocentric to expose nastiness&#8230; and to pay the cost thereof. The worst ethnocentrism is that shown by Anglo-Saxon newbies who refuse to accept the fact that the Church comes garbed in all-too-human form. You can stand with the monks serving the guns at the Troitsky Lavra firing a barrage at the papist invaders or you can stand with the hypocritical ecumaniacs bloviating at Nashotah House or any other Ecumenical Dixie Fry and Love Feast. I know where I stand!</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Thou hast made my Father’s House into a den of thieves!</em> Amen, Lord. Here’s the “cat”&#8230; I know that you’ll use it to good effect!</p>
<h3><a rel="attachment wp-att-6" href="http://02varvara.wordpress.com/about/attachment/6/"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-6" title="img_0001" src="http://02varvara.wordpress.com/files/2007/11/img_0001.jpg?w=150" alt="" width="150" height="136" /></a>Barbara-Marie Drezhlo</h3>
<p><strong>Saturday 28 November 2009</strong></p>
<p><strong>Albany NY</strong></p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[The Manhattan Declaration--WHY?]]></title>
<link>http://firstjohnfourfive.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/the-manhattan-declaration-why/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Yvonne</dc:creator>
<guid>http://firstjohnfourfive.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/the-manhattan-declaration-why/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Why do Christian leaders keep writing and signing these?  The Manhattan Declaration I guess some of ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p style="text-align:center;">Why do Christian leaders keep writing and signing these? </p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://www.manhattandeclaration.org/" target="_blank">The Manhattan Declaration</a></p>
<p>I guess some of these &#8216;leaders&#8217; must have an unspoken, gnawing sense that their efforts to take dominion and mandate the culture as &#8216;christian&#8217; have failed. In response they have come together in a pitiful attempt to appear powerful and unified to an <em>uninterested people</em>.  They must<em> not</em> know that in their man-centered toil to christianize the world they dimish the power of 1) the Gospel and 2) the work of the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>Is their understanding of the power of God and His Gospel so weak that they feel they have to declare their beliefs in <a href="http://www.anevangelicalmanifesto.com/" target="_blank">manifestoes</a> and declarations rather than rely on Scripture?  </p>
<p style="text-align:center;">What happened to <em>sola scriptura</em>?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s so sad is the fact that God&#8217;s Word says that Satan is the ruler of this world (John 12:31) and that unbelievers will not ever understand Truth without the Gospel being preached (Rom. 10:14) and the work of the Holy Spirit (John 6:44 &#38; 2 Cor. 4). </p>
<p>So why don&#8217;t they just preach the Gospel and allow the Holy Spirit to work?</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><em>Could pride be their necklace?</em> <br />
(Ps.73:6)</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"> </p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#ff0000;">UPDATE:</span></p>
<p style="text-align:left;"><span style="color:#000000;"><em><span style="color:#003300;">I received this email today from Mike Gendron of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministry.  I wholeheartedly concur!</span></em></span></p>
<p style="text-align:left;"><span style="color:#000000;">Greetings Friends of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministry,</p>
<p>A coalition of 150 Catholic, Orthodox and evangelical leaders, united “as Christians”, are calling for everyone to take a stand against abortion, same-sex marriage and anything that betrays their religious beliefs. On November 20th, a 4,700-word document called the Manhattan Declaration: A Call of Christian Conscience was released (<a href="http://manhattandeclaration.org/" target="_blank">http://manhattandeclaration.org/</a>). The document was drafted by Chuck Colson and Princeton University professor Robert P. George, a Roman Catholic. This is clearly another attempt to bring ecumenical unity to all of professing Christianity and blur the lines that separate apostates from true Christians.</p>
<p>Many of the signers of the Evangelicals and Catholics Together Accord have given their name to this accord as well. Purposefully, the Gospel is never defined or explained in the Manhattan Declaration. This is because of the contradictory and opposing views on the issue of justification and salvation that are held by the signatories. The implication throughout the document is that Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant Evangelicals share a common faith. This blatantly ignores the fact that there can be never be unity between true Christianity and apostate Christianity, between believers and unbelievers or between light and darkness (2 Cor. 6:14-18).</p>
<p>Whereas it is good to unite as co-belligerents with a united voice to fight moral and political issues, any accord that attempts to overlook, dismiss, nullify or compromise the Gospel is antithetical to the command for all Christians to earnestly contend for the faith. We can never deny the profound importance of protecting the life of every baby and the sanctity of marriage between one man and one woman. We must earnestly contend against those who seek to destroy both. However, we must remember that this is a spiritual battle which can only be won through fervent prayer and the proclamation of the one and only true Gospel, a Gospel that is denied by every Catholic priest when he offers the Eucharistic Christ upon his altar for the forgiveness of sins. Charles Spurgeon said &#8220;To pursue union at the expense of truth is treason to the Lord Jesus&#8221;.</p>
<p>(Note: Roman Catholic leaders already disobey civil and criminal laws by hiding pedophile priests. Their leadership is not subject to prosecution under the sovereign immunity laws of our nation because the Vatican is a recognized nation-state.)</p>
<p>Since we have been sanctified by the truth, let us remain separate for God&#8217;s glory and purpose. Let us pray, proclaim and contend earnestly for the faith.</p>
<p>Forever in Christ,<br />
Mike Gendron</span></p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[Crossing the Bridge of Ecumenism]]></title>
<link>http://muddystreams.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/crossing-the-bridge-of-ecumenism/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>the olives</dc:creator>
<guid>http://muddystreams.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/crossing-the-bridge-of-ecumenism/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[How far should you walk over this bridge? If you&#8217;ve taken the following four steps, you may ha]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>How far should you walk over this bridge? If you&#8217;ve taken the following four steps, you may have gone too far already.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><br />
ECUMENISM &#8230; Where do you draw the line?</strong><br />
by Sandy Simpson, Deception In The Church, 1998</p>
<p>This is a short essay to illustrate, with some irony, just how unbiblical, subjective and relativistic Ecumenism really is.  A few definitions first:</p>
<p>ecumenism  &#8211; n : the doctrine of the ecumenical movement promoting cooperation and better understanding among different<br />
religious denominations; aimed at universal Christian unity [syn: {ecumenicism}, {ecumenicalism}]<br />
interfaith &#8211; adj : involving persons of different religious faiths; &#8220;an interfaith marriage&#8221;; &#8220;interfaith good will&#8221;  (Websters Dictionary)</p>
<p>&#8220;Ecumenism&#8221; starts innocently enough. Is begins with a tolerant perspective of other denominations.  Then it moves on to acceptance of cults.  Finally it ends in a desire for unity with other religions, evolving into what is called &#8220;Interfaith&#8221;.  This process is brought about by a wrong exegesis of Scripture, using verses such as the following out of context:</p></blockquote>
<p>More here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/ecumenism2.htm">http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/ecumenism2.htm</a></p>
<p>Related:</p>
<p><strong>Universalism- a Problem  for Everyone</strong><br />
<a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Curren31.htm">http://www.letusreason.org/Curren31.htm</a></p>
<p><strong>Is the Change that has Come over the Church Come over you?</strong><br />
<a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Pent53.htm">http://www.letusreason.org/Pent53.htm</a></p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[Between heresy and orthodoxy]]></title>
<link>http://wanweihsien.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/between-heresy-and-orthodoxy/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Wei Hsien</dc:creator>
<guid>http://wanweihsien.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/between-heresy-and-orthodoxy/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[In his latest blog post entitled &#8220;Thoughts on Bulgakov, Apollinarius, and Ourselves,&#8221; Fr]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>In his latest blog post entitled <a href="http://fathergregory.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/thoughts-on-bulgakov-apollinarius-and-ourselves/" target="_blank">&#8220;Thoughts on Bulgakov, Apollinarius, and Ourselves,&#8221;</a> Fr. Gregory Wassen enters into a conversation with the late Fr. Sergius Bulgakov on the role of Apollinarius in the formulation of orthodox Christology in the early Church. Fr. Gregory writes:<em> </em></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">Our lives are a mixture of sin and holiness but equally a mixture of truth and heresy. Both are a <em>human </em><em>condition</em> which needs healing. Origen had already spoken of <em>saving doctrines</em> in his <em>On First Principles</em> (refering to scriptural doctrines concerning Jesus Christ) because he understood that, as sin is a result of a sickness in our soul, so is heresy&#8212;and we <em>all of us</em> have it.</p>
<p>Some bold statements here, I think&#8212;of the kind I&#8217;m afraid is true but am less willing to confess.</p>
<p>Fr. Gregory&#8217;s post got me wondering about the nature of orthodoxy and heterodoxy. Is truth&#8212;the defining criterion, so to speak, of orthodoxy&#8212;something we &#8220;have&#8221; or &#8220;possess&#8221;? In both Orthodox and Catholic communions it is common to say that each Church believes itself to &#8220;possess&#8221; the fullness (<em>pleroma</em>) of that truth which has been revealed by God. I wonder, however, if this language of possession is not more a matter of polemics than of faith. After all, who among us &#8220;possesses&#8221;&#8212;even if only in part&#8212;the Truth who is God Himself? Do we really believe that the One who is Truth can be contained in the makeshift crib of the human mind?</p>
<p>I submit that it is more helpful to consider our relationship to truth as one of <em>participation</em> rather than possession&#8212;in other words, to think of truth as something in which we &#8220;participate&#8221; rather than something we &#8220;have&#8221;. This appears to be more consistent with the language of deification in which Scripture and the Fathers express the goal of the Christian life. Rather than speaking of our &#8220;possession&#8221; of God, they seem to prefer to speak of <em>theosis</em> as the deepening of our participation or sharing in the Trinitarian life:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">The glory that you have given me I have given to them, <em>that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me</em>, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. (John 17.22-23)</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become <em>partakers</em> [κοινωνοὶ] of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. (2 Peter 1.3-4)</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">To try to discover the meaning of the commandments through study and reading without actually living in accordance with them is like mistaking the shadow of something for its reality.  It is only by participating in the truth that you can share in the meaning of truth.  If you search for the meaning without participating in the truth and without having been initiated into it, you will find only a besotted kind of wisdom. (St. Gregory of Sinai, <em>On Commandments and Doctrines</em> 22, in <em>The Philokalia</em>, Vol. IV)</p>
<p>Through this hermeneutic of participation, it is easier to see how it is that, in the words of Fr. Gregory, &#8220;our lives are a mixture of sin and holiness but equally a mixture of truth and heresy.&#8221; It also becomes clearer why, according to him, Origen held that &#8220;as sin is a result of a sickness in our soul, so is heresy&#8212;and we <em>all of us</em> have it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps orthodoxy is not an either/or phenomenon&#8212;for then one is either orthodox or one is not&#8212;but rather something like a continuum. To the extent that we participate in the Truth who is God Himself, we are &#8220;more&#8221; orthodox; and to the extent that we move away from Him, we become &#8220;more&#8221; heterodox (i.e. tending toward some &#8220;other&#8221; [<em>hetero</em>-] kind of glory rather than the &#8220;right&#8221; [<em>ortho</em>-] glory). And so, the drama of heterodoxy and orthodoxy in the life of the Church becomes fundamentally bound to the drama of sin and grace which plays itself out in the soul of every man and every community in the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. This being the case, the true remedy for heresy or heterodoxy in the Church is not polemics, polarization or politicization but the therapeutic regiment of grace. As Fr. Gregory writes:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">What we need is a healer and a place of healing&#8212;the Church. What we don’t need is more temptation and more accusation. This is why Jesus Christ is both the Healer and the Medicine for sin and heresy alike&#8230;. The way we treat and look at heretics could almost be said to be a good indicator of our spiritual health. For the heretic and the orthodox both find a home in us as much as do the sinner and the saint.</p>
<p>Let me conclude with a strange fact that struck me in the case of the Council of Ephesus in 431. The &#8220;arch-heretic&#8221; at Ephesus, Nestorius the Patriarch of Constantinople, in mid-council asked to be released from his duties and returned to his monastery in Antioch. He had, in the words of Henry Chadwick, &#8220;had enough.&#8221; I wonder if his journey from Ephesus to Antioch might not hold symbolic value for us. Even if we grant that Nestorius did in fact hold the errant ideas attributed to him then and now, I don&#8217;t think we can deny the basic merit and the orthodox impulse in his response: to return once again to that place where the Divine Physician can be found in the mystery of worship and the flesh-and-bone of brotherhood.</p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[Rerun: Al Mohler Explains Why He Withdrew from the "Reclaiming" Conference]]></title>
<link>http://mytwocents.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/rerun-al-mohler-explains-why-he-withdrew-from-the-reclaiming-conference/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
<guid>http://mytwocents.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/rerun-al-mohler-explains-why-he-withdrew-from-the-reclaiming-conference/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[In light of Dr. Mohler&#8217;s decision to sign and rationale for signing the Manhattan Declaration,]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>In light of Dr. Mohler&#8217;s decision to sign and <a href="http://www.albertmohler.com/2009/11/23/why-i-signed-the-manhattan-declaration/">rationale for signing</a> the <a href="http://manhattandeclaration.org/">Manhattan Declaration</a>, I thought a reposting of some correspondence I had with him over a similar situation a couple years ago might be of interest to those thinking through the issue. In short, Dr. Mohler withdrew from a friend&#8217;s political/morality conference because speaking on the same platform as a Roman Catholic priest under a &#8220;Christian&#8221; moniker would unnecessarily muddy the waters regarding the meaning of the Gospel. He defended co-belligerence, but not at the expense of Gospel clarity.</p>
<p>Faced with a similar (and <em>far </em>more public) circumstance now, Dr. Mohler has come to a very different decision. I continue to think highly of Dr. Mohler, but I think he is making a significant mistake, allowing important cultural similarities to trump essential gospel differences, <em>all under the eternally significant term &#8220;Christian.&#8221; </em>My understanding of the situation is very like Dave Doran&#8217;s (<a href="http://gloryandgrace.dbts.edu/?p=175">here</a> and <a href="http://gloryandgrace.dbts.edu/?p=177">here</a>), <a href="http://www.shepherdsfellowship.org/pulpit/Posts.aspx?ID=4444">John MacArthur&#8217;s</a>, <a href="http://www.truthforlife.org/resources/article/manhattan-declaration/">Alistair Begg&#8217;s</a>, and <a href="http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3638">James White&#8217;s</a>, all of whom speak to the issue much more ably than I do.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the original post from <a href="http://mytwocents.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/al-mohler-explains-why-he-withdrew-from-the-reclaiming-conference/">April 10, 2007</a>. I include my introduction and response, but the germane portion is the letter from Dr. Mohler.</p>
<p>_____</p>
<p>Some time ago, I made a <a href="http://mytwocents.wordpress.com/2006/12/14/a-southern-baptist-a-catholic-priest-and-a-conference/">blog post</a> in which I took exception with Dr. Al Mohler&#8217;s participation in the <a href="http://reclaimamerica.org/pages/conferences/rac2007/default.asp">&#8220;Reclaiming America for Christ&#8221; conference</a>.  Dr. Mohler was scheduled to speak alongside a Roman Catholic priest and Ann Coulter, <a href="http://reclaimamerica.org/pages/conferences/rac2007/speakers.asp">among others</a>.  Though I&#8217;ve appreciated much of what Dr. Mohler has said and written, I thought he was making a mistake, and I said so.</p>
<p>Well, someone brought my post to Dr. Mohler&#8217;s attention, and in January of this year he sent me a very gracious email explaining how he got into the predicament, how he quietly got himself out of it (he did not speak at the conference), and&#8212;most importantly&#8212;<em>why</em>. Here&#8217;s the germane portion of the correspondence, which he has given me permission to post:<!--more--></p>
<blockquote><p>Pastor  Anderson:</p>
<p><a title="Dr. Mohler" href="http://mytwocents.wordpress.com/files/2006/12/dr-mohler.jpg"><img src="http://mytwocents.wordpress.com/files/2006/12/dr-mohler.jpg" alt="Dr. Mohler" align="right" /></a>Someone sent along a blog article you wrote on my scheduled appearance at the D. James Kennedy conference. I appreciated the tone of your article. More importantly, I agreed with your point. I had no idea that the Catholic priest or Ann Coulter would be on the program. I was asked to speak on the role of the church as a counter-culture, and I gladly agreed. Dr. Kennedy has meant a great deal to me from the time I was 15 years old and he was so gracious with his time for me. Much of my theological grounding came from his own theological contributions, books he recommended, and persons I came to know through his ministry at Coral Ridge. I would do nothing intentionally to embarrass him in any way.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, early in December I quietly withdrew from the program. The ad in WORLD was my first clue as to what was afoot. I would be happy to testify before Congress on embryonic stem cell ethics alongside a Catholic priest or to speak at a symposium on abortion or other ethical issues. I would be glad to explain and defend the Gospel in a Roman Catholic setting where I could be fully free to do so. I would invite a leading Roman Catholic thinker (Robert George of Princeton) to Southern Seminary to deliver the Norton Lectures in which he will make the case for an ethical and theological method based in the natural law. I will do so because I will then respectfully respond with an evangelical, Reformation-based rejoinder to his argument. I will argue that Romans 1 and 2 indicate that there is a natural law but that it is (largely and fatally) unintelligible to the unregenerate, whose very (unregenerate) consciences cannot be trusted. Thus I will argue that evangelicals cannot surrender an ethical and theological method that is explicitly and honestly grounded in Scripture. I want my students to understand these issues clearly.</p>
<p>I agree with the Reformers that the Roman Catholic Church represents the greatest challenge to evangelical theology. As I stated (rather notoriously) on “Larry King Live” some time ago, the papacy is a false office, the Roman Catholic Church is a false church, and it preaches a false gospel. I cannot participate in any setting that would confuse the Gospel or the nature of the true Gospel church.</p>
<p>Thus, I withdrew. I  did so quietly and without intent to embarrass a friend (who is now recovering  from a major heart attack).</p>
<p>If you see that might  compromise the Gospel in any way, please do me the kindness of bringing this to  my attention.</p>
<p>Faithfully,</p>
<p>Albert Mohler</p></blockquote>
<p>I appreciate Dr. Mohler&#8217;s response very much on a personal level. His taking the time to respond and the gracious way in which he did so are humbling.</p>
<p>I also appreciate Dr. Mohler&#8217;s response on a theological and ministerial level. I think it raises a number of important issues for consideration:</p>
<p>* First, by refusing to participate in the conference, Dr. Mohler practiced biblical separation. (In fact, if you think about it, he actually practiced a form of so-called &#8220;secondary&#8221; separation&#8211;stepping away not only from unbelief, but also from an evangelical conference to which the unbelief was linked. Interesting.) Granted, Dr. Mohler does not always separate in a way which fundamentalists believe is required by the Scriptures, but we should applaud this stand even as we urge others like it. If our interest is indeed truth and not turf, let&#8217;s rejoice when right decisions are made.</p>
<p>* Second, Dr. Mohler applied the principle of separation to an instance of so-called &#8220;platform fellowship.&#8221; Refusing to appear alongside error or compromise is a conviction that has been lampooned both by evangelicals and professing fundamentalists, yet it is the basis on which Dr. Mohler made this particular decision. Certainly he described situations in which he <em>would </em>be willing to speak with or to Roman Catholics, but he chose not to do so in this setting.  Again, interesting.</p>
<p>I suggest that evangelicals could learn much from Dr. Mohler&#8217;s example in this situation. And frankly, so could fundamentalists, who are certainly not immune to the error of speaking in venues that compromise the truth.</p>
<p>* Third, Dr. Mohler explained his thought process in determining where he can and cannot speak and why. We may or may not agree with his conclusions, but we should at least deal with him and his reasoning honestly. Fundamentalists have not always done this, but have sometimes misrepresented evangelicals and their positions. Doing so is <em>sin</em>.  It is also <em>silly</em>&#8211;in the long run, it costs us our credibility and hurts our position. If we disagree, let&#8217;s disagree with facts, not phantoms.</p>
<p>* Finally, all of us could learn from the grace with which Dr. Mohler responded to a challenge and the conviction with which he rectified a mistake.</p>
<p>Thank you, Dr. Mohler, for your example in this situation.  Well done.</p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[Yay! I'm a fanatic!]]></title>
<link>http://philbaiden.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/yay-im-a-fanatic/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Phil Baiden</dc:creator>
<guid>http://philbaiden.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/yay-im-a-fanatic/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[A fanatic in action. That&#8217;s right. I&#8217;m a swivel-eyed extremist. I&#8217;m a close-minded]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[A fanatic in action. That&#8217;s right. I&#8217;m a swivel-eyed extremist. I&#8217;m a close-minded]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[Archbishop of Canterbury's address at a Willebrands Symposium in Rome]]></title>
<link>http://danutm.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/archbishop-of-canterburys-address-at-a-willebrands-symposium-in-rome/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>DanutM</dc:creator>
<guid>http://danutm.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/archbishop-of-canterburys-address-at-a-willebrands-symposium-in-rome/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Rowan Williams, the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury is in Rome, for meetings at the Vatican, inclu]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><a href="http://danutm.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/rowan-williams.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-6445" title="rowan-williams" src="http://danutm.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/rowan-williams.jpg?w=267" alt="" width="267" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>Rowan Williams, the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury is in Rome, for meetings at the Vatican, including an audience with Pope Benedict XVI (see some details <a href="http://www.romania-actualitati.ro/vizita_a_liderului_spiritual_al_bisericii_anglicane_la_vatican-6460">HERE</a>).</p>
<p>The Archbishop also contributed to the Willebrands Symposium, an academic event celebrating the ecumenical contribution of Cardinal Willebrands, the first President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, organised after the Second Vatican Council.</p>
<p><!--more-->Rowan Williams has read a paper at this event. I reproduce below a fragment from this discourse, related to the recent openings at the Vatican for receiving among Catholics those Anglicans who are discontent with recent evolutions in the Anglican Communion.</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#000080;">The recent announcement of an Apostolic Constitution making provision for former Anglicans shows some marks of the recognition that diversity of ethos does not in itself compromise the unity of the Catholic Church, even within the bounds of the historic Western patriarchate. But it should be obvious that it does not seek to do what we have been sketching: it does not build in any formal recognition of existing ministries or units of oversight or methods of independent decision-making, but remains at the level of spiritual and liturgical culture, as we might say. As such, it is an imaginative pastoral response to the needs of some; but it does not break any fresh ecclesiological ground. It remains to be seen whether the flexibility suggested in the Constitution might ever lead to something less like a ‘chaplaincy’ and more like a church gathered around a bishop.</span></p>
<p>You may read the whole text <a href="http://www.aco.org/acns/news.cfm/2009/11/19/ACNS4668">HERE</a>.</p>
<p>&#160;</p>
<p>&#160;</p>
<p>&#160;</p>
<p>&#160;</p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[Enter the Labyrinth]]></title>
<link>http://muddystreams.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/enter-the-labyrinth/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>the olives</dc:creator>
<guid>http://muddystreams.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/enter-the-labyrinth/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Enter the Labyrinth by Mike Oppenheimer Let Us Reason Ministries Walking the labyrinth has become a ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><blockquote><p><strong>Enter the Labyrinth</strong></p>
<p>by Mike Oppenheimer</p>
<p><a href="http://www.letusreason.org/">Let Us Reason Ministries </a></p>
<p>Walking the labyrinth has become a popular spiritual exercise across the country and around the world. I first read of it in Leadership Magazine, a Christian publication and became a bit concerned, since looking into it further I’m definitely concerned.</p>
<p>Labyrinths are said to been used for over 3000-3500 years (depending who you ask), accurate dating has been difficult. We are told by those who promote their use that Labyrinths are ancient and have been a part of the sacred landscape through human history. Those who use the labyrinth describe them as a pattern with power and a purpose. They are called “divine imprints,” that symbolize an archetype of wholeness. The Labyrinth is said to encourage healing, clarity, and peacefulness. There are claims of profound experiences as they affect the people who use them by connecting them with the deepest part of themselves. Labyrinths can often have a particular “specialty” in healing, improving ones health or alleviating symptoms of certain diseases.</p></blockquote>
<p>More here (note picture of labyrinth at Eastern Mennonite University):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=390">http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=390</a></p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[Flocks of Anglicans]]></title>
<link>http://prounione.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/flocks-of-anglicans/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>A.J.  Boyd</dc:creator>
<guid>http://prounione.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/flocks-of-anglicans/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[It has been almost a month since the CDF press announcement of the apostolic constitution, Anglicano]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>It has been almost a month since the CDF press announcement of the apostolic constitution, <em>Anglicanorum Coetibus</em>, which was released a couple weeks later. As with all Vatican documents, the title comes from the first two words in the official Latin edition, in this case, “groups of Anglicans” – though I prefer the translation “flocks of Anglicans”, probably inspired by the starlings and their Tiber-crossing aerial acrobatics, or the wishful thinking of certain (Catholic and secular) media outlets.</p>
<p>Along with the constitution itself, a set of complimentary norms and an official explanatory note was issued. The later is written by the rector of the Pontifical Gregorian University here in Rome, Gianfranco Ghirlanda, SJ, a native Roman who is trained as a civil and canon lawyer &#8211; which is an important lens to keep in mind when reading his commentary.</p>
<p>In the last three weeks, I have heard this issue addressed, in person, by Archbishop Rowan Williams, Cardinal Walter Kasper and about a dozen other curial officials, Catholic ecumenists, and Anglicans. My comments and conclusions remain my own, so do not blame any of them for my errors, but each conversation has provided some insight to various aspects of this issue, for which I am grateful.</p>
<p><strong>Communication and timing</strong></p>
<p>Much has been said of the Holy See’s lack of a modern communications strategy this last year, starting especially with the lifting of the excommunications of the (still) schismatic bishops of the Society of St. Pius X. In this case, the timing issue has been remarked on a great deal.</p>
<p>But let us be realistic: This is the Vatican. <em>In Rome</em>. Do you have any idea how long it takes to get anything done here? How many good people in the Church have been frustrated by an organization that prides itself in “thinking in centuries”? Should we really believe that this was an ambitious gambit at Ecclesial Imperialism incited only by recent developments? A rushed effort to ‘fish in the Anglican pond’?</p>
<p>I honestly think the more likely answer is that this is, at least partially, the long, slow, overdue response to requests that came way back in 1997 from some groups that left communion with the Anglicans at that time, just as the 1980 Pastoral Provision was a response to a smaller-scale situation in the 70’s. These former Anglicans are likely the ‘target demographic’ rather than current members of the Anglican Communion. I would not be surprised if some draft of something like this had been floating around in a dusty file cabinet in the CDF for the last decade or more.</p>
<p>It is probably, genuinely intended as a pastoral response by some in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and possibly the Secretariat of State. However, these impulses have not benefited from the full reception of, or formation in, ecumenical dialogues and relationships.</p>
<p>The internal, inter-dicasteral communications and collaboration is also clearly a problem, and it has not improved much in the eight years since <em>Dominus Iesus.</em> The Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity was not properly consulted in the development of the document, only verbally informed of it after it was in process. Cardinal Kasper did say on Thursday after the Colloquium that he had seen a draft of the Apostolic Constitution before the official promulgation, and was invited to make recommended changes, but he did not mention the accompanying documents, and this may have happened after the initial press conference with Cardinal Levada and Archbishop DiNoia.</p>
<p>Externally and ecumenically, the Archbishop of Canterbury and his staff, as well as even the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of England and Wales was likewise not consulted or involved in the process, but only informed shortly before the press conference. Seemingly it was informing them that motivated the conference, for fear of leaks before the Constitution was finalized.<strong></strong></p>
<p><strong>Anglican Responses</strong></p>
<p>The official responses are out there to read on the internet. Bishop Chris Epting, National Ecumenical Officer of the Episcopal Church, has <a href="http://ecubishop.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/come-home-to-rome/">recently blogged about the issue</a>; and the press has been following Archbishop Rowan Williams everywhere in Rome, so there is no shortage of coverage.</p>
<p>Personal responses among those I have spoken with have included some common themes, including brief temptation and excited interest: “Enough talk, let’s just do it! We can have unity now!”</p>
<p>This was usually followed by disappointment in some key aspects once the constitution, complimentary norms and explanatory note came out. After a little time, there has been a sense of betrayal of the ecumenical bonds of unity that already exist and anger at what seems to be promotion of an “ecumenism of return”, which the Catholic Church disavowed 50 years ago. One local Anglican’s comment of “not being angry about this… but then being surprised at how angry I was” is echoed in several remarks, also among dedicated Catholics sensitive to the challenges currently facing the Anglican Communion.</p>
<p>Personally, I was initially excited too, “What if they all came? What if we could just have unity now?”… for a few minutes. Then a <em>mea culpa</em> for my momentary indulgence in ecclesiastical imperialism, and my thoughts turned to friends yearning for full communion, and the personal discernment of one friend in particular between coming into communion personally or continuing the long slow work of full ecclesial union.</p>
<p>Chris, Nigel, Andrea, John, Stian, Ann, Chris, Liz, Terry, Peter, and Tom: You are regularly in my prayers, you know, but have been especially so in recent weeks. Nothing would make me happier than being able to break bread together, in the fullest sense, but I suppose we can wait a little longer! (In the short term, I should at least practice better <em>communicatio in communication</em> and start answering email…)</p>
<p><strong>Personal Ordinariates: Neither Personal Prelature, Church <em>sui iuris</em>, nor pastoral provision</strong></p>
<p>The Personal Ordinariate structure was not foreseen in the 1983 Code of Canon Law, so Pope John Paul II created it specifically for the military ordinariates in 1986. The point missed in most of the media is that this is specifically a structure for the People of God – unlike a Personal Prelature (eg, Opus Dei) or the pastoral provision, which are specifically about clergy. The personal ordinariate is a personal diocese, not just a provision to “get married priests” in through the back door and “fill the dwindling ranks”. Were that primarily the motive, I think we would have just had a personal prelature.</p>
<p>Neither is it a full, autonomous Church <em>sui iuris</em> (or Particular Ritual Church) like the 23 Churches that make up the one Catholic Church. (That is, the Roman Catholic Church, Maronite Catholic Church, Ukranian Greek Catholic Church, etc.) This is a model proposed at various times in the ecumenical conversation as a juridical/ecclesial structure for eventual full communion, with the Archbishop of Canterbury as the Patriarch (or Major Archbishop).</p>
<p>Fr. Ghirlanda’s commentary acknowledges that the creation of such a structure could create “ecumenical difficulties”, without elaboration. Not knowing which difficulties he was thinking of, two immediately come to mind: 1) the idea that such a structure should be reserved until such time as we do attain full communion between Rome and Canterbury, and to do so now would be really insulting to the Anglican Communion and its leadership, and 2) a concern for our relations with the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, who might object to the unilateral establishment of a new patriarchate by Rome that did not exist as such during the first millennium.</p>
<p>However, the reason given in the commentary is that “the Anglican liturgical, spiritual and pastoral tradition is a particular reality within the Latin Church.” This has been one of the moments of pause for some Anglicans and former Anglicans who might otherwise consider the move.</p>
<p>I think this can be read positively, as acknowledging a genuine tradition that goes beyond local custom and has a proper place in the Catholic Church today at a level similarly given to, say, the “extraordinary form” of the Roman Rite, rather than seeing it as a ‘non-Catholic creation of the English Reformation’. However, it seems safe to say that the English church has long recognized in itself an ecclesial tradition distinct from the Roman church, even for the many centuries of full communion, which goes beyond just liturgy and spirituality to a full ecclesial sense, including juridical, pastoral, and theological practices. This limited recognition is not as generous as would have been hoped.</p>
<p><strong>Theology of Bishops, ordination</strong></p>
<p>When is a bishop not a bishop? Would a rose by any other name still smell as sweet? If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, isn’t it a duck?</p>
<p>[First, a brief note: “Ordinary” is a canonical term used to designate a person whose authority is by virtue of law itself in relation to his office. We refer to the diocesan bishop as the ordinary, in distinction from any auxiliary or retired bishops in the diocese. So, in itself, the “ordinary” is not a new term or office.]</p>
<p>One of the first discordant notes from the press announcement three weeks ago was around the identity and role of bishops and the ordinary in the personal ordinariates. <em>Anglicanorum Coetibus</em> basically sets up the ordinariate and outlines the responsibilities of the ordinary and the consultative structures. It gets interesting in the complementary norms (particular law).</p>
<p>First, in article four of the norms, it is noted that the ordinary may be a bishop or a presbyter. While allowing a presbyter exercise ordinary power is not unusual in itself, it is odd for the role equivalent to a diocesan bishop. In fact, the canons specifically mentioned in this article are describing the roles and responsibility of a diocesan bishop.</p>
<p>The section on “Former Anglican Bishops” (Article 11) has four points:</p>
<ul>
<li>A former Anglican bishop may be appointed as the ordinary, but he would be only ordained as a presbyter.</li>
<li>A former Anglican bishop who is not ordinary could be asked to assist the ordinary in administration of the ordinariate.</li>
<li>Any former Anglican bishop would be a part of the bishop’s conference in their territory (such as the USCCB), with a status equivalent to retired bishop.</li>
<li>Finally, any former Anglican bishop who is not ordained as a Catholic bishop may request permission to continue using episcopal insignia (mitre, crozier, pectoral cross, ring, and presumably the amaranth red zucchetto, fascia, and simar).</li>
</ul>
<p>While the first point seems to say that a former Anglican bishop could not be ordained as a bishop, even if he is the ordinary, the last point seems to indicate that at least some former Anglican bishops could be so ordained, and the rest could continue to wear bishop’s regalia even if they are not ordained as bishops.</p>
<p> Turning to Fr. Ghirlanda’s commentary for clarification, one finds the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>“The ordination of ministers coming from Anglicanism will be absolute, on the basis of the Bull Apostolicae curae of Leo XIII of September 13, 1896. Given the entire Catholic Latin tradition and the tradition of the Oriental Catholic Churches, including the Orthodox tradition, the admission of married men to the episcopate is absolutely excluded”</p></blockquote>
<p>This is where any interest in ‘coming over’ grinds to a halt for many Anglo-catholics, especially the clergy. Among Catholic ecclesiologists, ecumenists, church historians and sacramental theologians, this is probably where there was a collective raising of eyebrows. The three issues here are the use of Episcopal insignia by non-bishops, the nature of Anglican orders and of ordination in the personal ordinariate, and the whole of the final sentence regarding ordination of married men to the episcopate.</p>
<p><em>Episcopal Insignia</em></p>
<p>Originally, of course, bishops did not wear anything different than the rest of the people of God. After Christianity became the official religion of the empire, Emperors began appointing Christian bishops to civil magistrate posts. These secular offices included the insignia of a ring and what have become the crozier and mitre. As the empire dissolved and the Church took on the role of the state more completely, they became identifiable with the episcopal office, but continued to have a secular connection.</p>
<p>The whole (unfortunately named) lay investiture controversy of the 12th century had nothing to do with the role of the laity in electing their bishops (which was traditional), but with the role of the secular rulers appointing bishops themselves and/or retaining the right to invest them with the ‘secular’ signs of office: ring, mitre, and crozier.</p>
<p>Significant to that argument and church practice since is that these are insignia of the episcopal office, and are neither appropriate for non-bishops to use nor for non-ecclesiastical authorities to confer. The exception to this concerns some of those who are equivalent to a bishop in office, such as an abbot (and in some places in the past, an abbess). Given that exception, it would be consistent to allow the ordinary of the personal ordinariate to retain episcopal insignia even if he was only a presbyter.</p>
<p>The underlying concern is twofold, one ecumenical and the other ecclesiological. First, having just reiterated the judgment of Apostolicae Curae of Anglican orders as “absolutely null and utterly void” and declaring that any former Anglican bishop, presbyter or deacon would have to be absolutely ordained, the allowance for former Anglican bishops to adopt episcopal insignia without episcopal ordination basically says, “Because you are used to pretending to be bishops, we will allow you to continue pretending to be bishops, even though you will not actually be bishops.”</p>
<p>Secondly, the practice of having non-bishops dress or act as bishops seems to imply the Tridentine theology of the episcopate as a merely juridical office, rather than as an order in itself. If a presbyter has the fullness of orders, and being bishop is just a “job”, then a presbyter can dress as a bishop or fulfill a bishop’s office (eg, ordinary) without actually being a bishop. Catholic ecclesiologists and sacramental theologians are not too happy about that possibility.</p>
<p><em>Apostolicae Curae and Anglican Orders</em></p>
<p>Many catholic-leaning Anglicans are that way because of a Catholic understanding of the sacraments, including holy orders and the Eucharist. They may have been interested in the personal ordinariate if offered a “conditional” ordination, which would at least acknowledge the possibility of, or partiality of, sacramental validity of their current ordained ministry. But absolute ordination means a betrayal of their (very Catholic) sacramental sense of their current ministry, which is not appealing.</p>
<p>In the 113 years since <em>Apostolicae Curae</em>, Catholic historians, theologians, and ecumenists have developed a more nuanced understanding of Anglican orders. The bull is considered definitive church teaching on precisely the issue with which it deals – Anglican ordinations conducted according to the Edwardian Ordinal from 1552 until 1662.</p>
<p>Church historians have discovered at least some places where this ordinal was not used, and so would not be subject to the declaration of nullity. More recently, there have been more and more Anglican ordinations including bishops of the Old Catholic churches, which are generally recognized as valid in the classic Catholic understanding, and the Scandinavian Lutheran churches, which also maintain an historic episcopate with a claim of apostolicity. Even the Catholic understanding of ordination <em>vis a vis</em> Apostolic Succession and Tradition has enjoyed development, at least in ecclesiological circles, in moving from a “spiritual heredity” model to a more collegial understanding of succession and ordination as incorporation into the episcopal college.</p>
<p>Given all of these, it was disappointing for many that the ordinations of former Anglican clergy were not classified as conditional. This could be understood either as “just in case” their former ordinations were either absolutely invalid or merely defective, or, even better, as a sign of their incorporation into the episcopate, presbyterate, or diaconate in communion with the ordinary and the bishop of Rome, without judgment on the state of their current orders or past ministry.</p>
<p><em>Married Bishops</em></p>
<p>Finally, there is the sentence about married bishops. The best way to read this  is to recall that Fr. Ghirlanda is primarily a canonist, and is a native Roman.</p>
<p>In the <em>current canonical situation</em>, it is true that married men are absolutely excluded from the episcopate in the entirety of the Catholic Latin and Eastern traditions, as well as in the Eastern Orthodox tradition.</p>
<p>Historically, of course, married men have been bishops (and before that, apostles). This was common in the Latin tradition, and not unheard of in the east, until celibacy became a universal norm in the Latin Church during the 12th-16th centuries. Early on, the practice of selecting monastic (and therefore celibate) presbyters to be bishop became the norm in the East, while the West continued to select bishops from the diocesan (and therefore married or celibate) diaconate and presbyterate. Ecumenically, the Orthodox Church recognizes this historic difference in praxis, and does not generally object to married bishops in the Latin Church. Theologically, there is no impediment to a married man being a bishop in either the Catholic or Orthodox traditions, and in fact scripture commends it – though, admittedly, limiting bishops to only one wife.</p>
<p>Being a Roman, Fr. Ghirlanda has no doubt been to the Basilica of Santa Praessade, and has seen the 9th century mosaic of <em>Episcopa</em> Theodora. If he had meant that in the entire Latin Catholic tradition, <em>historically and theologically</em>, the admission of married men to the episcopate was absolutely excluded, then he would be confirming the interpretation that Theodora was not the wife of a bishop, but was in fact a bishop herself. This seems unlikely.</p>
<p><strong>The Synodal Tradition of Anglicanism</strong></p>
<p>As “the Anglican liturgical, spiritual and pastoral tradition is a particular reality within the Latin Church” according to the official commentary, their pastoral tradition of synodality (collegiality and collaboration) is also worthy of emulation in the entire Latin church, and perhaps some of the norms in this section will be applied throughout the church. Even if not, they are interesting in themselves.</p>
<p>A “governing council” combines the basically redundant structures of presbyteral council and college of consultors currently mandated in the Code of Canon Law. It is given deliberative voting powers on a number of issues, and interestingly, prepares the terna (list of three names) from which the Holy Father would appoint the ordinary. For most Latin dioceses, this terna is currently prepared by the Apostolic Nuncio, with consultation of the region’s bishops, some other clergy, and virtually no input by laity.</p>
<p>Further, the pastoral and finance councils are mandated not just for the ordinariate, as is the case for all dioceses, but also for all parishes in the ordinariate. For most Latin dioceses, the parish pastoral council is merely recommended. However, the language for pastoral councils in the norms is that they are “advisory” rather than the stronger “consultative” which is in the Code, though this is a common misreading of consultation, so perhaps it was not meant as a change.</p>
<p><strong>What Happens Now?</strong></p>
<p>Some former Anglicans may accept the offer, but I do not think it will be a large number. Even fewer current Anglicans will, I think. The most interested will thankfully continue to work on full ecumenical unity, distant as that always seems. I am interested to see how this develops, or if it develops.</p>
<p>One curial official described the personal ordinariates thus: The Holy See has set aside an empty room, but without furniture, electricity, or provisions. Now we are asking Anglicans to fill the room, without being able to bring anything with them other than themselves. It may remain empty for a long time.</p>
<p>In the mean time, the Anglican Roman Catholic International Commission (ARCIC) III preparatory commission is meeting in Rome this week, including my own bishop, Archbishop Alex Brunett as co-chair. This, after a hiatus since 2005, prompted by the developments in the Anglican Communion – a hiatus which some predicted would never end. If <em>Anglicanorum Coetibus</em> were really the Holy See’s ecumenical answer the Canterbury’s internal struggles, ARCIC III would be dead in the water. Yet, they seem energized and ready to go, so it will be interesting to see whether ecumenical dialogue or corporate conversion takes center stage over the next few months.</p>
<p>The Apostolic Constitution, Complementary Norms, and commentary can be read together <a href="http://212.77.1.245/news_services/bulletin/news/24626.php?index=24626&#38;lang=en#THE%20SIGNIFICANCE%20OF%20THE%20APOSTOLIC%20CONSTITUTION%20ANGLICANORUM%20COETIBUS%20%28FR.%20GIANFRANCO%20GHIRLANDA,%20S.J.,%20RECTOR%20OF%20THE%20PONTIFICAL%20GREGORIAN%20UNIVERSITY%29">here.</a></p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[Centro Pro Unione]]></title>
<link>http://prounione.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/centro-pro-unione/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>A.J.  Boyd</dc:creator>
<guid>http://prounione.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/centro-pro-unione/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[We had our first meeting of the ecumenical section tonight, in the famous Centro Pro Unione. Palazzo]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>We had our first meeting of the ecumenical section tonight, in the famous<a href="http://www.prounione.urbe.it/index_hi_res.html"> Centro Pro Unione</a>.</p>
<div id="attachment_308" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 235px"><a href="http://prounione.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/2005_01_08_day232-navona.jpg"><img class="size-thumbnail wp-image-308 " title="NavonaPalazzo" src="http://prounione.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/2005_01_08_day232-navona.jpg?w=150" alt="" width="225" height="150" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Palazzo Doria Pamphilj at Piazza Navona</p></div>
<p>At the Angelicum, there are four ‘Faculties’: Theology, Philosophy, Social Sciences, and Canon Law. The Theology Faculty, being by far the largest, is further divided into sections: Biblical Theology, Dogmatic Theology, Thomist Theology, Spiritual Theology, Moral Theology, and Ecumenical Theology. </p>
<p>By reputation, at least, the two pillars of the Angelicum are its Thomist and Ecumenical sections. Part of the reason I decided to study here, in fact, is that it is the only specifically ecumenical licentiate/doctoral program offered by a Catholic university, and one of only three in the English speaking world (the others being at the Ecumenical Institute of the WCC at Bossey, Switzerland and the Irish School of Ecumenics in Dublin).</p>
<div id="attachment_307" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 136px"><a href="http://prounione.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/puglisi.jpg"><img class="size-thumbnail wp-image-307" title="Puglisi" src="http://prounione.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/puglisi.jpg?w=126" alt="" width="126" height="150" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">James Puglisi, SA, Director of Centro Pro Unione</p></div>
<p>The ecumenical section is coordinated by James Puglisi, SA, the Minister General of the Franciscian Friars of the Atonement and director of the Centro Pro Unione. The Centro serves as the library for the ecumenical section, being the most complete ecumenical library in the world since its inception in 1962. It is located in the Collegium Innocenzium, part of the Palazzo Doria Pamphilj overlooking Piazza Navona. Originally the guest house for the family, part of it then became a house of hospitality named Foyer Unitas, run by the Ladies of Bethany, and the rest a place for the ecumenical observers at Vatican II to gather, named the Centro Pro Unione.</p>
<p>The main meeting room is therefore steeped in history, both Roman and ecumenical. As the guest house of the noble family, this room is where Vivaldi first performed his “four seasons” after the premier in Florence. Franz List and Caruso played here, and so many others. During Vatican II, this room, with a grand view of the Piazza and its fountain, is where the ecumenical observers would gather with bishops and <em>peritii </em>for their weekly briefing, and where some of the most important texts of the council were born or developed: <em>Gaudium et Spes, Unitatis Redintegratio, Nostra Aetate, </em>and<em> Dignitatis Humanae.</em></p>
<p>There were 21 members of the section present or accounted for, and I am not sure how many others there may be. Six are from Africa, four from India, three each from the Philippines, Eastern Europe, and North America, one Italian and one Australian. One-third are lay, and two-thirds are priests; no religious and no deacons. There is currently only one woman (and she is technically in Philosophy, not Theology, but as a Russell Berrie Fellow is included in the section too).</p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[Muzica Crestina Romaneasca ]]></title>
<link>http://crestinroman.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/muzica-crestina-romaneasca/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Costel Cornea</dc:creator>
<guid>http://crestinroman.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/muzica-crestina-romaneasca/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Romania &#8211; Alin Garlea * Lasa pacea ta peste noi, Doamne-Fratii de la Toflea la Cluj * * Iarta-]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><strong>Romania &#8211; Alin Garlea</strong></p>
<p><span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/YW6j9mLxKew&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' /><param name='allowfullscreen' value='true' /><param name='wmode' value='transparent' /><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/YW6j9mLxKew&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' allowfullscreen='true' width='425' height='350' wmode='transparent'></embed></object></span><br />
*<br />
<strong>Lasa pacea ta peste noi, Doamne-Fratii de la Toflea la Cluj</strong></p>
<p><span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/SNr8ZZ9xNYA&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' /><param name='allowfullscreen' value='true' /><param name='wmode' value='transparent' /><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/SNr8ZZ9xNYA&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' allowfullscreen='true' width='425' height='350' wmode='transparent'></embed></object></span><br />
*<br />
<span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/f03o_b-yjF0&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' /><param name='allowfullscreen' value='true' /><param name='wmode' value='transparent' /><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/f03o_b-yjF0&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' allowfullscreen='true' width='425' height='350' wmode='transparent'></embed></object></span><br />
*<br />
<strong>Iarta-ma, Dumnezeule !</strong></p>
<p><span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/6Y2Gr6lkK58&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' /><param name='allowfullscreen' value='true' /><param name='wmode' value='transparent' /><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/6Y2Gr6lkK58&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' allowfullscreen='true' width='425' height='350' wmode='transparent'></embed></object></span><br />
*<br />
<span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/HbgKr1wa5Ls&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' /><param name='allowfullscreen' value='true' /><param name='wmode' value='transparent' /><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/HbgKr1wa5Ls&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' allowfullscreen='true' width='425' height='350' wmode='transparent'></embed></object></span><br />
*<br />
<span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/9Ho8kEW1RjI&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' /><param name='allowfullscreen' value='true' /><param name='wmode' value='transparent' /><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/9Ho8kEW1RjI&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' allowfullscreen='true' width='425' height='350' wmode='transparent'></embed></object></span></p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[Ecumenism and Discipleship: The Pursuit of Costly Reconciliation]]></title>
<link>http://jinskim.com/2009/11/24/ecumenism-and-discipleship-the-pursuit-of-costly-reconciliation/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>John Nelson</dc:creator>
<guid>http://jinskim.com/2009/11/24/ecumenism-and-discipleship-the-pursuit-of-costly-reconciliation/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[New Fire participants worship at Church of All Nations. From Nov. 10-12 the annual General Assembly ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[New Fire participants worship at Church of All Nations. From Nov. 10-12 the annual General Assembly ]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[Communio - A proposal for an ecumenical, charismatic ecclesiology.]]></title>
<link>http://sensibletheology.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/communio-a-proposal-for-an-ecumenical-charismatic-ecclesiology/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>sensibletheology</dc:creator>
<guid>http://sensibletheology.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/communio-a-proposal-for-an-ecumenical-charismatic-ecclesiology/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Introduction: N. T. Wright’s New Testament Foundations for Ecclesiology The starting point, the a pr]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><strong>Introduction: N. T. Wright’s New Testament Foundations for Ecclesiology</strong></p>
<p>The starting point, the <em>a priori</em>, for any ecclesiology must be an understanding of the Church as the people of God, an eschatological community that exists for the sake of those not yet apart of said community. N.T. Wright lays out the three primary criteria that defined the church in its first few decades, it was essentially baptismal, Eucharistic and disciplined.<a href="#_ftn1">[1]</a> Wright continues, &#8220;The problems which arose in relation to the care of the needy, particularly widows, are most readily comprehensible if we envisage the church, not as a part-time voluntary organization of the like-minded which left normal social and familial attachments unaffected, but as a group with definite boundaries.&#8221;<a href="#_ftn2">[2]</a> The question then becomes what are the boundaries that define the people of God? How should the church understand itself and what would a definitively “charismatic” ecclesiology look like? These are the questions that will be attempted to be addressed in a brief and admittedly shallow treatment, for the sake of space.  Perhaps the two major theological voices in modern ecclesiology and ecumenism are Volf and Küng. By synthesizing these voices into a duet perhaps a definitive and constructive “charismatic” ecclesiology can be ascertained and thus expressed.  The most pressing issue to face the church over the next hundred, or so, years will most likely not be issues of morality or politics but of ecumenism and the church’s self-understanding.<a href="#_ftn3">[3]</a></p>
<p><strong>Volf’s Participatory Ecclesiology</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p>Primarily, Volf wants to equate the church with the expression of charisms, “Wherever the Spirit of Christ, which as the eschatological gift anticipates God’s new creation in history, is present in it ecclesially constitutive activity, there is the church.”<a href="#_ftn4">[4]</a> While this does not necessarily validate the expression or it’s experiential interpretation, it does make room for otherness inside of the community (which is an idea to be explored later). Volf will go on to try and transcend the disagreement between Free Church and Episcopal models of ecclesial criteria for what constitutes a church, unfortunately his definition borders on the overly subjective and begins to side more with the Free Church suppositions.<a href="#_ftn5">[5]</a> He states directly, “the presence of Christ is not attested merely by the institution of office, but rather through the multidimensional confession of the entire assembly.”<a href="#_ftn6">[6]</a> The consequence of this statement is the striping of any Sacramentology to the foundation of mere communal confession of faith, not an objective reality.<a href="#_ftn7">[7]</a> While Volf’s experiment in ecclesiology is right minded and often correct in its aims, the way in which he answers key issues is at the expense of history and ecumenism for the higher church traditions. What is needed is an understanding of the activity of the Spirit that is not objective solely or subjective merely.</p>
<p>Acknowledging the objectivity of the Spirit’s work within the subjective experience and expression is imperative. Room must be made for the work of the Spirit to communicate objectively through otherwise subjective means. Ultimately these experiences and expressions will be misunderstood, misinterpreted and misappropriated, but that does not mean we discard or devalue them. Volf’s disdain for Episcopal authority is directly related to his witnessing its abuse in the Balkans during the late eighties and nineties.<a href="#_ftn8">[8]</a> What is needed, in order balance Volf, is to embrace theological otherness within the community as a charism. Ecclesiological self-understanding as the community that embodies the objectively subjective work of the Spirit is <em>a priori</em> to a healthy ecumenism and view of the universal as well as local church.</p>
<p><strong>Hans Küng’s Pneumatological Ecclesiology</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p>Kärkkäinen makes an observation about Küng’s ecclesiology that is important. “As a real church, the faith community is composed of sinful men and women and it exists for sinful men and women. Küng’s view comes close to that of Luther, who regarded the church as the community of sinners. Therefore, the <em>communio sanctorum</em> as <em>communio peccatorum</em> is always in need of forgiveness&#8230;”<a href="#_ftn9">[9]</a> This self-perception on the part of the church is essential in that it requires self-criticism, self-criticism that lends itself to a more open ecclesiology, one that makes room for otherness inside of the community. Otherness inside of the Christian community is not only a self-evident fact of the current state of world Christianity as Volf points out<a href="#_ftn10">[10]</a>, but can also be understood as a virtue, which Küng is rightly advocating.<a href="#_ftn11">[11]</a> When otherness is embraced in ecclesiology, not simply in a vague superficial manner but as ontologically legitimate otherness, it demonstrates two things. First, its mimics and reveals the identity of the church as the image of the Trinity, which is the argument of Ware<a href="#_ftn12">[12]</a>, Lossky<a href="#_ftn13">[13]</a> and Zizioulas<a href="#_ftn14">[14]</a>. Second, it shows the church in her glory as the redemptive community that accepts and embraces the strangeness of the other.  Küng argues that without this ability to embrace the otherness that exists inside of the universal church in a real way there is a loss of legitimacy, or genuineness, in the ability to embrace the otherness outside the boundaries of the community.<a href="#_ftn15">[15]</a></p>
<p>The natural consequence of accepting otherness as ontologically legitimate in ecclesiology is the ability to not only co-exist but also to enter into dialogue through common language, dialogue that leads toward communion. The goal of any ecclesiology with any legitimacy is not simply the defense of one’s theological system or traditions, as is all too often the case<a href="#_ftn16">[16]</a>, but toward real familial communion that recognizes one Lord and one Baptism.</p>
<p>Küng, not unlike Volf, is explicitly interested in defining the church in terms of the ministry of the Holy Spirit.<a href="#_ftn17">[17]</a> Kärkkäinen notes, “Küng. . . emphasizes the fact that the Spirit of God who indwells the church is no ‘obscure and nameless power’. . . but is the concrete presence of God in Christ and derivatively in the church. . . the Spirit is the earthly presence of the glorified Lord in the Church.”<a href="#_ftn18">[18]</a> Küng goes onto to exposit the “charismatic structure of the church” paying much attention to issues of ecclesiastical authority and the tension between the laity and hierarchy. <a href="#_ftn19">[19]</a><a href="#_ftn20">[20]</a> The pertinent portions of Küng’s treatment lie in his persistence toward the oneness of the Church.<a href="#_ftn21">[21]</a> By placing his definition of the church in strictly Pneumatological terminology, Küng proves himself light years ahead of much of his ecclesiastical colleagues, He also provides the linguistic framework for a holistic charismatic ecclesiology, one that, hopefully, places the charismatic-Pentecostal understanding of the charisms within the linguistic traditions of the historical, sacramental church.</p>
<p><strong>A Proposal for a Charismatic Ecclesiology</strong></p>
<p>The cardinal issue in defining a distinctly charismatic ecclesiology will be with the definition of what constitutes a charism. Charisms, almost without exception, have essentially been hijacked by the Pentecostal tradition and its subsequent offspring in the last century. Rather then accept a rather narrow definition of charismata the definition must be broadened, to the presence of the Holy Spirit in the expression of the Church that is pointing to an eschatological reality.  This understanding of charismata is supported not only by Küng<a href="#_ftn22">[22]</a> and Volf<a href="#_ftn23">[23]</a>, but also Moltmann<a href="#_ftn24">[24]</a>, Stronstad<a href="#_ftn25">[25]</a> and even Barth.<a href="#_ftn26">[26]</a> If considered seriously and examined thoroughly the broadened language defining what a charism is, and by consequence what it means, lends itself towards a mutual vocabulary between the sacramental and charismatic churches.</p>
<p>That which defines the meaning of a sacrament and that which defines a charism are not mutually exclusive. Both only hold meaning in an eschatological sense, and if understood as being objective within their subjective contexts because of the ministry of the Holy Spirit (as explored earlier), the two have a tremendous amount in common. Ultimately the classical argument about the distinction between the two has to do with the effects of each. With the sacrament being a means of grace conferred for the personal sanctification<a href="#_ftn27">[27]</a> of the participant and the charism being a means of grace by which the Spirit effects the work of the church through but not necessarily in the life of the participant.<a href="#_ftn28">[28]</a> The difference, in reality, between the two understandings? Semantics.  The commonality between the two definitions is uncanny; both are the activity of the spirit in the life of the church for salvific purposes that point toward an eschatological hope and reality caught between the “already” and “not yet.”  If the commonality is truly present between the two realities then the ecclesiological consequence is that the sacraments are to be understood as charisms and the charisms, conversely, become sacramental; the barriers between ecumenical belief, rhetoric and praxis breakdown.</p>
<p>Last, the church must be understood as “for the sake of the non-elect.”<a href="#_ftn29">[29]</a> A church ceases to be <em>The Church</em> when it’s charismatic/sacramental expression loses its missional presupposition and purpose.  A church is only <em>The Church</em> in so much that its primary self-understanding and orientation is focused on the culture and community in which it is particularly located.<a href="#_ftn30">[30]</a> Once this breaks down it becomes just another cult among the plethora offering personal spiritual salvation in the history of Greco-Roman mysticism.<a href="#_ftn31">[31]</a></p>
<hr size="1" /><a href="#_ftnref1">[1]</a> Wright, <em>The New Testament and the People of God</em>. (London: Fortress Press, 1992), 447-448.  Wright makes the obvious observation about the baptismal and Eucharistic understandings of the early church, but also adds the category of discipline because of things such as the <em>Didache</em> and the relative similarity between the early Christian community and that of the Essene community, especially in regards to social justice issues.</p>
<p>&#160;</p>
<p>[2] Ibid. 448.</p>
<p>[3] Kärkkäinen, <em>An Introduction to Ecclesiology</em>. (Dovers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2002), 231.</p>
<p><a href="#_ftnref4">[4]</a> Volf, <em>After our Likeness: The Church as the Image of the Trinity</em>. (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1998), 129. While such a definition of the church is valid, what is needed is a more thorough and yet broad understanding of a charism then Volf seems willing to consent to, which will be explored later.</p>
<p>[5] Ibid. 133-135.  Volf defines the ecclesiality of a church it terms of Matthew 18:20, while ideal and true, it does not constitute a complete definition of the church as it does not seem to acknowledge any sense of objectivity in the activity or experience of the community.</p>
<p>[6] Ibid. 152.</p>
<p>[7] Kärkkäinen, <em>An Introduction to Ecclesiology</em>. (Dovers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2002), 137.</p>
<p>[8] Hedges, <em>War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning</em>. (New York, Anchor Books, 2002), 56.</p>
<p>[9] Kärkkäinen, <em>An Introduction to Ecclesiology</em>. (Dovers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2002), 105.</p>
<p>[10] Volf, <em>After our Likeness: The Church as the Image of the Trinity</em>. (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1998), 140-141</p>
<p>[11] Küng, <em>The Church</em>. (New York: Image Books, 1967), 230.</p>
<p>[12] Ware, <em>The Orthodox Church</em>. (London: Penguin Books, 1997), 308.</p>
<p>[13] Lossky, <em>Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church</em>. (New York: St. Vladimir’s Seminary Press, 1976), 176-177.</p>
<p>[14] Zizioulas, <em>Being as Communion</em>. (New York: St. Vladimir’s Seminary Press, 1997), 15.  Interesting to note that all three contemporary Orthodox theologians embrace a view that theirs is the true church and yet have the ability, seeming theological mandate, to embrace those not inside the eastern church in a way beyond the typical ecumenism in the west. See Anglican-Orthodox dialogue and communion.  The Moscow statement of 1976, the Dublin statement in 1984, and the Cyprus agreed statement presented at Lambeth 2008 as “The Church of the Triune God.” Also see <em>Anglican-Orthodox Dialogue</em> by Kallistos Ware.</p>
<p>[15] Küng, <em>The Church</em>. (New York: Image Books, 1967), 169.</p>
<p>[16] Kärkkäinen, <em>An Introduction to Ecclesiology</em>. (Dovers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2002), 231-232.</p>
<p>[17]  Küng, <em>The Church</em>. (New York: Image Books, 1967), 215-18.</p>
<p>[18] Kärkkäinen, <em>An Introduction to Ecclesiology</em>. (Dovers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2002), 109.</p>
<p>[19] Küng, <em>The Church</em>. (New York: Image Books, 1967), 239-247.</p>
<p>[20] Ibid, <em>The Church: Mandated in truth</em>. Trans. Edward Quinn, (New York; The Seabury Press, 1979), 50-51.  This passage particularly deals with the interaction between the <em>Magisterium</em> and laity and tries to lay out a possible future interaction. An interesting read but not overly pertinent to the current discussion.</p>
<p>[21] Ibid, <em>The Church</em>. (New York: Image Books, 1967), 353.</p>
<p>[22] Ibid, 215-18.</p>
<p>[23] Volf, <em>After our Likeness: The Church as the Image of the Trinity</em>. (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1998), 129.</p>
<p>[24] Moltmann, <em>The Church in the Power of the Spirit</em>. Trans. Margaret Kohl.  Munich: Fortress Press, 1993.  294.</p>
<p><a href="#_ftnref25">[25]</a> Stronstad, <em>The Charismatic Theology of St. Luke</em>. Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers, 1984. 81-82</p>
<p>[26] O’Grady, <em>The Church in the theology of Karl Barth</em>. Washington: Corpus Books, 1968.  250-268.</p>
<p>[27] <em>The Catechism of the Catholic Church</em>.  Image Books, 2<sup>nd</sup> edition , 1995.</p>
<p>[28] Stronstad, <em>The Charismatic Theology of St. Luke</em>. Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers, 1984. 73. Stronstad makes a strong and clear argument for the purely vocational understanding of the “baptism of the Spirit.”</p>
<p><a href="#_ftnref29">[29]</a> Wright, <em>The New Testament and the People of God</em>. (London: Fortress Press, 1992), 334, 447.</p>
<p>[30] Volf, <em>After our Likeness: The Church as the Image of the Trinity</em>. (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1998), 141-147.</p>
<p>[31] Wright, <em>The New Testament and the People of God</em>. (London: Fortress Press, 1992), 152-166.</p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[The language of Jesus spoken here.]]></title>
<link>http://lucemichael.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/the-language-of-jesus-spoken-here/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>LuceMichael</dc:creator>
<guid>http://lucemichael.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/the-language-of-jesus-spoken-here/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I think it is a very historical event in many ways because the language that was used &#8212; the la]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[I think it is a very historical event in many ways because the language that was used &#8212; the la]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[The Manhattan Declaration]]></title>
<link>http://stevenwhunter.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/the-manhattan-declaration/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
<guid>http://stevenwhunter.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/the-manhattan-declaration/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I was pleased to learn about the coming together of Orthodox, Catholic and evangelical Christian cle]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>I was pleased to learn about the coming together of Orthodox, Catholic and evangelical Christian clergy and lay persons to sign the <a href="http://manhattandeclaration.org/" target="_blank">Manhattan Declaration</a>. Among the Orthodox signatories were Metropolitan +Jonah of the Orthodox Church in America, Bishop +Basil of the Antiochian Archdiocese, Fr. Chad Hatfield and Fr. Patrick Henry Reardon. Given that I tend not to care too much about formal ecumenical relations and dialogues between Christians, its important for me to note that it is in this kind of cooperation on social, moral and political matters which Christians of all stripes should be fully engaged. Ecclesial lines makes little difference when it comes to defending the lives of the unborn, elderly and disabled; or to upholding traditional marriage; or to safeguarding the religious liberty of all against the prevailing cultural winds.</p>
<p>From the document:</p>
<blockquote><p>We are Christians who have joined together across historic lines of ecclesial differences to affirm our right &#8211; and, more importantly, <em>to embrace our obligation </em>- to speak and act in defense of these truths.  We pledge to each other, and to our fellow believers, that no power on earth, be it cultural or political, will intimidate us into silence or acquiescence.  It is our duty to proclaim the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in its fullness, both in season and out of season.   May God help us not to fail in that duty.</p></blockquote>
<p>In essence, this is a declaration that we will, if it becomes necessary, defy the law and engage in civil disobedience in order to obey and proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I hope all Christians will join in this spirit and sign the document, which you can do at the site to which I linked above.</p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[eSign this!]]></title>
<link>http://lucemichael.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/sign-this/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>LuceMichael</dc:creator>
<guid>http://lucemichael.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/sign-this/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[   There&#39;s a war on. Are you going to enlist, be drafted or be run over? The Manhattan Declarati]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[   There&#39;s a war on. Are you going to enlist, be drafted or be run over? The Manhattan Declarati]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[Santa Susanna: the American parish in Rome]]></title>
<link>http://prounione.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/santa-susanna-the-american-parish-in-rome/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>A.J.  Boyd</dc:creator>
<guid>http://prounione.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/santa-susanna-the-american-parish-in-rome/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[With friend and ecumenical mentor Ron Roberson, CSP in town this week for the updating of the Vatica]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>With friend and ecumenical mentor Ron Roberson, CSP in town this week for the updating of the Vatican’s official guide on the eastern churches, I decided it was time to make my first visit to the American parish in Rome, Santa Susanna.</p>
<div id="attachment_297" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 235px"><a href="http://prounione.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/facade_santa_susanna_rome.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-297" title="Facade_Santa_Susanna_Rome" src="http://prounione.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/facade_santa_susanna_rome.jpg?w=225" alt="" width="225" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Chiesa Santa Susanna</p></div>
<p>Having spent 11 years in Rome as a student at the Oriental Institute and then as staff to the Pontifical Council, Ron also served as vice-rector of the parish community at Santa Susanna, which is staffed by the Paulist fathers. So, on this brief visit back in Rome, he was presiding at the 10:30 liturgy for Christ the King, and it seemed as good a time as any to try it out. I had been ‘warned’ that it was a “typical American parish”, despite my skepticism that such an animal existed.</p>
<p>The church of Santa Susanna is one of the oldest in Rome, originally build in 330 AD in the Constantine basilica style over the house church of St. Susanna, martyred in 293 AD. You can still go down into the crypt, which was part of the original house, and where the Eucharistic feast was celebrated since at least 285 AD. St. Susanna, her father St. Gabinus, and St. Felicity are all buried here.</p>
<p>During the 8<sup>th</sup> and 16<sup>th</sup> centuries it went through some dramatic renovations and restorations. The current design and style dates to 1595, and the façade was the original masterpiece of Carlo Maderno, whose work impressed Pope Sixtus V enough that he was commissioned to do the same for St. Peter’s Basilica.</p>
<p>The liturgy and community experience was, I admit it, ‘typically’ American, especially compared to my other liturgical experiences of the last two months. The organ played too loudly, so you could hardly hear the choir or assembly sing. The music was otherwise good, generally singable, and very mixed in style. The preaching and presiding were great, not surprisingly. There was even a full 8 ½ x 11 parish bulletin (most Roman churches have none, or a smaller worship aid rather than announcements), and coffee and <em>cornetti </em>after mass in the vestibule. </p>
<div id="attachment_298" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 210px"><a href="http://prounione.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/tour-centerinterior.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-298" title="tour-CenterInterior" src="http://prounione.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/tour-centerinterior.jpg" alt="" width="200" height="213" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Interior of Santa Susanna</p></div>
<p>People always ask about liturgical postures, so I have to add that the most notable was how much time was spent kneeling: More than any other church in Rome, including the Tridentine rite parish! The universal norm calls for standing throughout the Eucharistic prayer, but several national churches have adapted that somewhat to include kneeling. In Rome, either you stand the whole time (as at the papal liturgies) or just kneel between the <em>Epiclesis</em> and the <em>mysterium fidei</em>. The U.S. norm is kneeling from the<em> Sanctus</em> to the Great Amen – which seemed like a really long time compared to the Roman practice. Then, they knelt for the communion rite too, which I have not seen in Rome, or in the States since before the GIRM revisions.</p>
<p>Thankfully, in proper American tradition, we had padded kneelers.</p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[Welcoming Anglicans Home to Rome]]></title>
<link>http://muddystreams.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/welcoming-anglicans-home-to-rome/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>the olives</dc:creator>
<guid>http://muddystreams.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/welcoming-anglicans-home-to-rome/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Archbishop of Canterbury and Pope to &#8217;seek closer ties&#8217; The Archbishop of Canterbury and]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><blockquote><p><strong>Archbishop of Canterbury and Pope to &#8217;seek closer ties&#8217;</strong></p>
<p>The Archbishop of Canterbury and the Pope agreed to seek closer relations between Anglicans and Catholics at a meeting in Rome, the Vatican has said.</p>
<p>It follows tensions over the Vatican&#8217;s offer to welcome disenchanted Anglicans into the Catholic fold.</p>
<p>Pope Benedict&#8217;s proposal would allow Anglicans to convert while preserving many of their traditions and practices.</p>
<p>A Vatican statement said the &#8220;cordial&#8221; talks reiterated &#8220;the shared will&#8221; to move toward closer relations.</p></blockquote>
<p>More here:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8371807.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8371807.stm</a></p>
<p>Also see:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.understandthetimes.org/commentary/c60.shtml"><strong>HOME TO ROME</strong><br />
by Roger Oakland</a></p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[The Catholic Church has had women in min...]]></title>
<link>http://catholiclinks.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/the-catholic-church-has-had-women-in-min-2/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
<guid>http://catholiclinks.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/the-catholic-church-has-had-women-in-min-2/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[The Catholic Church has had women in ministry since the beginning, but they have never been in the p]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>The Catholic Church has had women in ministry since the beginning, but they have never been in the priesthood because they cannot be. This distinction is critical: either there are two sacramental participations in the unique priesthood of the Lord Jesus or there are not, and Protestants teach that there are not. For them, only Baptism confers a participation in the priesthood of Christ, and this sense every Christian is a priest. This is what the Catholic Church has ever called the royal priesthood of all the baptized. But from among the baptized, the Catholic Church teaches, some are called by the Lord Jesus for a second sacramental participation in His priesthood, and this is conferred by ordination to the presbyterate and episcopate. Only men are capable of receiving this second participation in the priesthood of Christ because in this sacrament the human instrument stands in the place of Christ as both head and bridegroom of the Church, and in the orders of both grace and nature, women cannot be bridegrooms. It is for this reason that any Christian community, like the Anglican Communion, which professes to believe in two different sacramental participations in the priesthood of Christ and which subsequently concludes that women can and should be both presbyters and bishops in the Church has by that fact revealed itself to be not a Christian communion but a gnostic sect. Dr. Williams is simply and profoundly wrong: This is not a second order issue in any sense; rather, it goes to the very heart of the sacramental economy which is intrinsic to the transmission of the Gospel. This address in Rome by the Archbishop of Canterbury will, I suspect, be seen in future ages as evidence of the definitive departure of the Church of England from faith not just in Catholic Christianity but in revealed religion. We should all be grateful to Dr. Williams for his candor.</p>
<p><cite>Fr Jay Scott Newman comment at <a href="http://frjeffreysteel.blogspot.com/2009/11/williams-to-catholics-rethink-womens.html" target="_blank">de cura animarum on the Archbishop of Canterbury schooling the Vatican</a></cite></p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[The Catholic Church has had women in min...]]></title>
<link>http://catholiclinks.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/the-catholic-church-has-had-women-in-min/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
<guid>http://catholiclinks.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/the-catholic-church-has-had-women-in-min/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[The Catholic Church has had women in ministry since the beginning, but they have never been in the p]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>The Catholic Church has had women in ministry since the beginning, but they have never been in the priesthood because they cannot be. This distinction is critical: either there are two sacramental participations in the unique priesthood of the Lord Jesus or there are not, and Protestants teach that there are not. For them, only Baptism confers a participation in the priesthood of Christ, and this sense every Christian is a priest. This is what the Catholic Church has ever called the royal priesthood of all the baptized. But from among the baptized, the Catholic Church teaches, some are called by the Lord Jesus for a second sacramental participation in His priesthood, and this is conferred by ordination to the presbyterate and episcopate. Only men are capable of receiving this second participation in the priesthood of Christ because in this sacrament the human instrument stands in the place of Christ as both head and bridegroom of the Church, and in the orders of both grace and nature, women cannot be bridegrooms.</p>
<p>It is for this reason that any Christian community, like the Anglican Communion, which professes to believe in two different sacramental participations in the priesthood of Christ and which subsequently concludes that women can and should be both presbyters and bishops in the Church has by that fact revealed itself to be not a Christian communion but a gnostic sect. Dr. Williams is simply and profoundly wrong: This is not a second order issue in any sense; rather, it goes to the very heart of the sacramental economy which is intrinsic to the transmission of the Gospel.</p>
<p>This address in Rome by the Archbishop of Canterbury will, I suspect, be seen in future ages as evidence of the definitive departure of the Church of England from faith not just in Catholic Christianity but in revealed religion. We should all be grateful to Dr. Williams for his candor.</p>
<p><cite>Fr Jay Scott Newman comment at <a href="http://frjeffreysteel.blogspot.com/2009/11/williams-to-catholics-rethink-womens.html" target="_blank">de cura animarum on the Archbishop of Canterbury schooling the Vatican</a></cite></p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[That 'leadership' thing]]></title>
<link>http://nickbaines.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/that-leadership-thing/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>nickbaines</dc:creator>
<guid>http://nickbaines.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/that-leadership-thing/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[The Archbishop of Canterbury is in Rome and will meet the Pope today for a private meeting. The impr]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><a href="http://nickbaines.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/rowan-williams.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1547" title="Rowan Williams" src="http://nickbaines.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/rowan-williams.jpg?w=240" alt="" width="240" height="300" /></a>The <a href="http://www.churchtimes.co.uk/content.asp?id=85148" target="_blank">Archbishop of Canterbury</a> is in Rome and will meet the Pope today for a private meeting. The impression given in some media is that this visit is a response to the Pope&#8217;s establishment of a Personal Ordinariate for Anglicans who want to join the Roman Catholic Church. But two things need to be said about this: (a) the visit was scheduled many, many months ago, so has been coloured by recent events, but not determined by them; (b) according to a RC bishop with whom I spoke recently, they do not want &#8216;disaffected&#8217; Anglicans who would prefer to remain Anglican really, but only those who positively want to join the RC Church &#8211; in other words, those with positive and not negative motivation.</p>
<p>Now, that will be an interesting one for the RC authorities to work out when they engage in the discernment process in each individual case.</p>
<p>However, I was asked to do an interview with John Humphreys on BBC Radio 4&#8217;s <em><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8371000/8371825.stm" target="_blank">Today</a></em> programme this morning and the thrust of the question put to me was about &#8216;leadership&#8217;. Has Rowan Williams&#8217; authority been undermined by the Pope&#8217;s offer and is his leadership (particularly in comparison with that of Pope Benedict) too equivocal to be effective?</p>
<p>My response was simple: leadership is not about shouting loudly what people want to hear&#8230; now. yet that is what many people think it is. If they don&#8217;t hear Rowan saying what they want to hear him saying, then he isn&#8217;t leading. What Rowan is doing is taking the long-term view. Well, what about the lack of &#8216;robustness&#8217; in his leadership? I wasn&#8217;t being facetious when I noted that Jesus wasn&#8217;t being exactly &#8216;robust&#8217; when he allowed himself to be nailed to a cross.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it more &#8216;robust&#8217; (and doesn&#8217;t it take more nerve) to resist the clamour for statements, simple clarity (where it may not exist) or irrevocable decisions before the time is right to give them? It could be argued that to stick to your course in the face of competing demands for statements shows not leadership but weak (and short-term) populism.</p>
<p>So, you may not agree with Rowan, but you have to give him some credit for not being pushed into a corner by the strident voices of competing factions or the comment-hungry media. His conversation with Benedict should be just that: a conversation with Benedict. Why can&#8217;t we learn to respect context, relationship and confidence and then see where the two leaders go from here?</p>
<p><a href="http://nickbaines.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/pope_benedict_xvi.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-1548" title="pope_benedict_xvi" src="http://nickbaines.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/pope_benedict_xvi.jpg?w=115" alt="" width="115" height="150" /></a>The contrast with Benedict is an interesting one, however. It is illuminating to listen to Roman Catholics who are alarmed at the way the Pope has pushed this Apostolic Constitution through the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and by-passed the appropriate body, the Pontifical Council for Ecumenical Dialogue. If this &#8216;leadership&#8217; undermined the Archbishop of Canterbury, then what does it say about the leadership of the Archbishop of Westminster who was given the same notice of the Constitution as was Rowan? And does it undermine both Vatican process and the authority of the Roman Catholic bishops of England, given that they also had no notice of what was proposed than their Anglican counterparts?</p>
<p>It is often said that Rowan could sometimes be clearer in what he does say &#8211; given that even academic lectures will still get reported in popular media &#8211; but intellectual laziness should not excuse us from working at what he does say in order to get to the heart of how this holy man sees God, the world and us.</p>
<p>This morning the <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_article/article6926171.ece" target="_blank">Times</a> asks Rowan to by-pass the tanks parked on the lawn at Lambeth Palace and speak truth to the heart of Rome. The challenges he posed to Rome in his <a href="http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/2616" target="_blank">lecture</a> yesterday are serious (and not simple) ones &#8211; as recognised by Cardinal Kasper and Bishop Brian Farrell. It will be interesting to see if and how Rome responds.</p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>
<item>
<title><![CDATA[VIDEO: Parintele GHEORGHE CALCIU DUMITREASA despre masonerie, ecumenism, evrei]]></title>
<link>http://saccsiv.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/video-parintele-gheorghe-calciu-dumitreasa-despre-masonerie-ecumenism-evrei/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>saccsiv</dc:creator>
<guid>http://saccsiv.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/video-parintele-gheorghe-calciu-dumitreasa-despre-masonerie-ecumenism-evrei/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[   Cititi va rog si: 21 noiembrie – 3 ani de la mutarea printre sfinti a Parintelui GHEORGHE CALCIU ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/PI4_TZUrsaU&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' /><param name='allowfullscreen' value='true' /><param name='wmode' value='transparent' /><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/PI4_TZUrsaU&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' allowfullscreen='true' width='425' height='350' wmode='transparent'></embed></object></span></p>
<p><span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/3LXzzq9xG4w&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' /><param name='allowfullscreen' value='true' /><param name='wmode' value='transparent' /><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/3LXzzq9xG4w&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' allowfullscreen='true' width='425' height='350' wmode='transparent'></embed></object></span></p>
<p><span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/a7iDpRnor8c&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' /><param name='allowfullscreen' value='true' /><param name='wmode' value='transparent' /><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/a7iDpRnor8c&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' allowfullscreen='true' width='425' height='350' wmode='transparent'></embed></object></span></p>
<p><span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/AxVNLkXbTH4&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' /><param name='allowfullscreen' value='true' /><param name='wmode' value='transparent' /><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/AxVNLkXbTH4&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' allowfullscreen='true' width='425' height='350' wmode='transparent'></embed></object></span></p>
<p>   Cititi va rog si:</p>
<p><a href="http://saccsiv.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/21-noiembrie-%e2%80%93-3-ani-de-la-mutarea-printre-sfinti-a-parintelui-gheorghe-calciu-dumitreasa/"><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong>21 noiembrie – 3 ani de la mutarea printre sfinti a Parintelui GHEORGHE CALCIU DUMITREASA</strong></span></a></p>
<p><a href="http://saccsiv.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/ioanichie-balan-comunismul-si-evreii-%e2%80%9c-traim-vremuri-apocaliptice-%e2%80%9c-%e2%80%93-video/"><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong>IOANICHIE BALAN: Comunismul si evreii, “TRAIM VREMURI APOCALIPTICE“ – video</strong></span></a></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong>VIDEO &#8211; Dumitru Staniloae: „Ecumenismul este produsul masoneriei„, mari duhovnici romani despre ecumenism – video, analiza fenomenului</strong></span></span></p>
<p><a href="http://saccsiv.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/parintele-iustin-parvu-%e2%80%9esolu%c2%actii-omen%c2%acesti-nu-sunt-dragii-mei-solu%c2%actia-este-moartea-pen%c2%actru-hris%c2%actos%e2%80%9d-despre-vaccinare-evrei-preoti-politicieni-si-siste/"><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong>Parintele IUSTIN PARVU: „Solutii omenesti nu sunt, dragii mei! Solutia este moartea pentru Hristos” (despre vaccinare, evrei, preoti, politicieni si sistemul antihristic)</strong></span></a></p>
<p><strong><span style="color:#ff0000;"> </span></strong></p>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
</item>

</channel>
</rss>
