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<title><![CDATA[An Open Letter To My Readers]]></title>
<link>http://reformednazarene.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/an-open-letter-to-my-readers/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Dear Friends, I have appreciated that many of you have allowed me to keep sending you my posts, even]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Dear Friends,</p>
<p>I have appreciated that many of you have allowed me to keep sending you my posts, even if you have not agreed with everything I have written.  For those who have remained open to what I write, I thank you for keeping an open mind to the information I send you every week.  I felt compelled to write this note to you, in reaction to what is perhaps my most controversial article to date, which will be posted on Tuesday or Wednesday night.  It will also be online at <a href="http://www.thegoodnewstoday.org/">The Good News Today</a> website.  As some of you know, the print version of the article was distributed this past weekend to over 400 churches and 200 businesses in the Rhode Island and southeastern Massachusetts area.  It is sure to reach many more people who have not heard of the emergent church movement before.</p>
<p>Already, since the paper came out Sunday, I have received some very disapproving comments regarding my article, including the suggestion that I should never have printed it in the first place.  The title itself is not a “warm and fuzzy” kind of title: <strong>“Nazarene Denomination Losing It’s Way?</strong>”  Some folks are clearly not happy.  That was to be expected, and I respect the fact that many have and will disagree with what I have been saying for over a year now.  A few have made it clear to me that they believe I am trying to ruin the Nazarene denomination.  Some have told that me that what I am doing is going against scripture, and that I am leading people away from Christ.  Others perhaps just think I’ve lost my mind.  Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, and please remember, I am not forcing anyone to read what I write.</p>
<p>Let me be clear as to what my intentions have been since 13 months ago.  I did not start my emails and my blog to win any popularity contest, that’s very evident now.  It was also not my intention to write in such a way as to make you think I am intellectually and spiritually superior to any of you.  I’m simply laying out the facts, with my opinion as to what I believe those facts mean, based on scripture only.   The only reason for me to do what I have been doing for over a year now, along with many other Nazarenes doing the same thing, is for one thing only: <strong>to obey the commands of the Lord Jesus Christ and the apostles, to “contend for the faith once delivered to the saints”.</strong> That is all.</p>
<p>The new article was written in a way that will give a clear summary of what has been happening, to anyone who has never heard of this problem before.  Some of you will already know what is in there, and it won’t be new to you.  This was primarily intended to expand awareness amongst unaware Nazarenes, and other Christians, of what I and many others believe to be a serious threat to the body of Christ.</p>
<p>This is a serious time in the history of the Nazarene denomination.  As I said, I am doing this out of love for our denomination.  For those of you who disagree and think I am doing harm, I am sorry that you feel that way.  Regardless, please try not to judge my heart- only God can do that.  But I tell you honestly, that <strong>my motives are with the intention of warning fellow Christians of false teachings.</strong> I have clearly written many times with scriptural authority, explaining the duty of Christians to defend the faith and warn others of false teaching, so I will not rehash that lesson all over again.  However, if you insist that I am wrong as a Christian to do this, send me a private message, and I will be glad to send you a scriptural lesson not only on why we need to warn others of false teachings, but also on <strong>our Christian obligation to judge others appropriately</strong>.  You may not agree with the lesson, but it will be Bible based.  It is a common misconception by so many Christians, that we cannot ever judge, at any time!  How then can we “beware” of false prophets, as Christ commanded, if we cannot judge!  That does not make sense, does it?</p>
<p><strong>Finally, I would ask that if you still strongly feel that I and many others are totally wrong in what we are doing, then I invite you to do the following, in order to help correct me:</strong></p>
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<li>Send a      private message to me, laying out the scriptural reasons that exposing and      naming false teachers, or judging others, is unscriptural.  I would ask that you try to stay      in context with whatever passages you use, and not to, as many do,      “prooftext” and use one verse to negate what is being taught clearly in      other areas of scripture.  I      will keep this completely between you and me.</li>
<li>Or      send me the same kind of message, but which you have no problem in allowing me to post it publicly, BUT      without using your name.</li>
<li>Finally, post the same message here publicly.  Please understand that I will reserve the right to refute what you write, but I will give you the opportunity for any rebuttals needed.</li>
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<p>The emergent church movement is real, and I believe it is a false movement in almost all that it asserts or teaches.  There may be some good in it, but as the scriptures say, “a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.”  It is our duty as Christians to expose false teachings.  I pray that this upcoming article will help make many more aware of this danger.  <strong>It is absolutely unfair that so many Nazarenes are being kept in the dark about this problem, and all Nazarenes have a right to know the facts,</strong> and make up their minds as to whether this movement is of God, or if it is of Satan.  It cannot be both.</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><em><span style="color:#000000;">As Paul wrote in Romans 16:17-18: &#8220;Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.&#8221; </span></em></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><em><span style="color:#000000;">And in Ephesians 5:11, he wrote, &#8220;And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.&#8221;</span></em></p>
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<p>Sincerely in Christ,</p>
<p>Manny<br />
reformednazarene@hotmail.com</p>
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<title><![CDATA[More from Dr. James White on The Manhattan Declaration]]></title>
<link>http://narrowisthepath.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/more-from-dr-james-white-on-the-manhattan-declaration-2/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Reformed Joe</dc:creator>
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<title><![CDATA[Lord, Why Not Call Bill Instead of Me? (Part 6)]]></title>
<link>http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-6/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Larry Who</dc:creator>
<guid>http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-6/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Click on following for earlier articles: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3 Part 4 and Part 5. And He summoned t]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/prayer_home5.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2717" title="prayer_home" src="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/prayer_home5.jpg?w=205" alt="" width="205" height="300" /></a><em><strong>Click on following for earlier articles:</strong> <a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-1/">Part 1</a></em><em>, <a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-2/">Part 2</a>, <a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-3/">Part 3</a> <a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-4/">Part 4</a> and <a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-5/">Part 5</a>.</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>And He summoned the twelve and began to send them out in pairs and gave them authority&#8230;(Mark 6:7)</em></p>
<p><em>And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, &#8220;All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples&#8230;(Matthew 28:18-19)<br />
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<p>When Jesus sends His apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers, He gives them authority. But what can this authority be used for?</p>
<p>In the <em>New American Standard Bible</em>,  the English word <em>authority</em> appears in 75 verses of the New Testament. Fifty-nine times, the word is translated from the Greek word <em>exousia</em> (Strongs&#8217; #1849).</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Behold, I have given you <strong>authority [exousia]</strong> to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you. (Luke 10:19)</em></p>
<p><em>For even if I boast somewhat further about our <strong>authority [exousia]</strong>, which the Lord gave for building you up and not for destroying you, I will not be put to shame. (2 Corinthians 10:8) </em></p></blockquote>
<p>Never once in the fifty-nine verses where the Greek word <em>exousia</em> is translated into the English word <em>authority </em>does the context of the verse imply that a person can wield authority over a believer&#8217;s life. Not once!</p>
<p>But rather the authority in these fifty-nine verses  is limited to being used against demons, sickness, disease, all the power of the enemy and to build up or encourage believers. That&#8217;s it!</p>
<p>Now, if you&#8217;ve done your math, there are sixteen other verses not covered in the above explanation, right?</p>
<blockquote><p><em>For we never came with flattering speech, as you know, nor with a pretext for greed &#8211; God is witness &#8211; nor did we seek glory from men, either from you or from others, even though as apostles of Christ we might have asserted our <strong>authority [baros, Strongs' #922]</strong>. But we proved to be gentle among you, as a nursing mother tenderly cares for her own children. (2 Thessalonians 2:5- 7) </em></p></blockquote>
<p>If you lift <em>verse 6</em> out of context in the above scriptures, it looks like the apostle has authority to impose a burden on believers. But if you read all three verses, you see that Paul is making the point of why he can&#8217;t impose a burden. He is a nursing mother to his children.  The Amplified Bible states it this way:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8230;though we might have asserted our authority<strong> [stood on our dignity and claimed honor] </strong>as apostles (special missionaries) of Christ (the Messiah)</em>. <em>(2 Thessalonians 2:6)</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Here is another often-quoted authority verse:</p>
<p><em>These things speak and exhort and reprove with all <strong>authority [epitage  Strong's #2003]</strong>. Let no one disregard you. (Titus 2: 15)</em></p>
<p>The Greek word <em>epitage</em> is translated <em>authority</em> in this verse, but it really means commandment or mandate; and it may or may not be backed by the power of the Lord.</p>
<p>Almost all of the other verses where the word <em>authorit</em>y appears in the New Testament, refer to a nation&#8217;s government exercising authority and wielding power over its citizens. The major exception is the following:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>For you know what commandments we gave you by the <strong>authority [kyrios, Strong's #2962] </strong>of the Lord Jesus. (1 Thessalonians 4:2)</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Thus, scripture states that the authority of the apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor and teacher is not to be wielded against a believer. But instead, the authority is to be used against Satan and to encourage believers. And also, at times, the Lord may give special authority to people for carrying out a task.</p>
<p>So, how was I set free from the prison with a steeple on the roof?</p>
<p><strong>(Continued in Part 7)</strong></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Adele Sakler doing good things for the LGTBQ community]]></title>
<link>http://travelersnote.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/adele-sakler-doing-good-things-for-the-lgtbq-community/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>travelersnote</dc:creator>
<guid>http://travelersnote.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/adele-sakler-doing-good-things-for-the-lgtbq-community/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Check her blog out: http://queermergent.wordpress.com/]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[An Observation on Hypocrisy in the Church - #14]]></title>
<link>http://cdye.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/an-observation-on-hypocrisy-in-the-church-14/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Carey Dye</dc:creator>
<guid>http://cdye.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/an-observation-on-hypocrisy-in-the-church-14/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[In pondering the contrast between modern ministry methodologies and the actual Word of God: 1. Would]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><strong>In pondering the contrast between modern ministry methodologies and the actual Word of God</strong>:</span></p>
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<strong>1</strong>. Would God have preserved Sodom, if only they had a “be a better you” book?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><strong>2</strong>. Was Nineveh spared, because Jonah preached, “God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life?”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><strong>3</strong>. Were the early churches in shambles, at Paul’s death, because he was not purpose-driven?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><strong>4</strong>. Was God threatening the churches of Asia Minor, because their leadership principles were lacking?</ol>
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<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><strong>Asinine!</strong> The depth of meaning from each of the above reveals weightier matters nearly lost in preaching today. The lessons contain not the accomplishments made by the schemes of man, but by the Hand of the Lord.<em> </em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><em>“…&#8217;Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit&#8217;, says the LORD Almighty.” Zec 4:6 </em> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><strong>1</strong>. God knew Sodom as a city of brazen wickedness (Gen 13:13). “The people were guilty of the most notorious crimes and addicted to the most scandalous and unnatural lusts” (John Gill). Their sin was most glaring and grievous before the Lord God (Gen 18:20). No matter the greatness of the city’s sin, God was still willing to spare it with as little as 10 righteous God-fearing citizens. The city failed to produce even 10. God did not grant them principles to better their life or a means to improve their nature. Though he spared Lot’s family, God simply destroyed the city with no message, no hope, and no warning.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><em><strong>Lost Message</strong> – God abhors sin and will destroy, without mercy, all that violate their conscience by ardently persisting in it (Rom 1:16-32). In the same way, the earth, and all creation, will be one day violently destroyed with fire and therefore by, through, and because of the Grace of God Christians should love holy and godly in this present evil age (2 Pet 3:10-11, Titus 2:11-12).</em></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><strong>2</strong>. God told Jonah go to Nineveh and “cry against the city” for “their wickedness has come up before me” (Jon 1:2). The city was a violent place. Jonah’s message, “Because of your great wickedness, you have 40 days until your great city will be overthrown” (Jon 3:4). Though His mercy is clearly seen, there was no message of His love. God did not comfort or encourage the Ninevites nor did He articulate their worth, but His anger. They were struck by the blunt edge of a solemn admonition. The God of all creation was personally displeased (Jon 3:9). They repented and turned to God in humility. God spared the city from His judgment by granting them a warning against their great sin, which they heeded (Jon 3:10).</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><em><strong>Lost Message</strong> – God will speak strong words of correction and rebuke when he is displeased (Heb 12:5-6). These reprimands are intended to bring repentance, a turning or returning to Him (2 Cor 7:10-11, 2 Tim 3:16) and correction for our souls (Prov 3:11, Heb 12:9). God rebukes those He loves (Rev 3:19).</em></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><strong>3</strong>. Paul preached an offensive (Gal 5:11) and illogical message (1 Cor 1:18) that stirred disdain from his culture and violent anger from the religious community (Acts 13:50). God established his purpose with the revelation he received from no man (Gal 1:11-16). In addition, the fledgling church struggled to survive as Christians were attacked with gruesome Roman persecution. That which remained, in times of peace, was picked over by false ministers (2 Cor 11:13) who crept in to subvert the Truth (2 Pet 2:1).</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><em><strong>Lost Message</strong> – All who live Godly will suffer persecution (2 Tim 3:12). There is no escaping the true costly selfless Biblical Christianity seen in the lives of Stephen, Peter, James, Paul and all others “who loved not their lives unto death” (John 12:25, Rev 12:11).</em></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><strong>4</strong>. The churches of Asia Minor were strongly chastised by the Lord for forsaking their first love (Rev 2:4-5), possessing a lax attitude that tolerated preaching that led His people into sexual sin and idolatry (Rev 2:14 &#38; 20) and maintaining religious practice, but remaining indifferent to it (Rev 3:15-16).</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><em><strong>Lost Lesson</strong> – The Lord Jesus was not impressed or concerned with the organizational savvy of church leadership. He was not aroused to remove the source of spiritual light from their midst (Rev 2:5), because of a lack of influence. He was sovereignly disturbed by the passivity; which allowed the teaching that led His people into whoredom with the world (Rev 2:14, 15 &#38; 20). He becomes fiercely displeased with the general unfaithfulness of His bride and will repay all according to their deeds (Rev 2:23).</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><em><br />
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<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;">God is a jealous God (2 Cor 11:2) for we are his purchased possession (Eph 1:14) and therefore tempting the Lord God ultimately brings strong retribution (1 Cor 10:9).</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;">The absence of these pivotal and basic doctrinal messages has left Christ’s church impotent against the devastation of sin and the spirit of the world. The incessant and unbalanced heralding of God’s love has created a society of rebels with no fear of God. The profuse delivery of self-centered, </span>man-centered, <span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;">non-challenging, flesh-friendly, superficial and baseless lectures lay partially to blame for the masses of religious consumers possessing “itchy-ears” (2 Tim 4:3).</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;">In coping with the loss of Divine power, the carnal and apostate have developed clever devices to overcome the lack of Christian influence in the post-modern world. While one may argue, “Observe our numbers, see our leadership and judge our success”, the proper defense should rather be, “Observe our devotion, see our passion and judge our fruit.”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"><strong>Those who will not heed these warnings will grow weary of this Cry For Repentance, but there is only one answer for the gross error of this Laodicean age</strong>:</span><br />
<span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:16px;"> </span></p>
<ol>“<span style="text-decoration:underline;">if my people</span>, who are called by my name, will <span style="text-decoration:underline;">humble</span> themselves and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">pray</span> and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">seek</span> my face and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">turn</span> from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” 2 Chron 7:14</ol>
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<link>http://mikeoles3.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/of-god-workers-and-fowl/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>mikeoles3</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[&nbsp; Katy and I drove from Washington D.C. to Indianapolis and back this Thanksgiving. This mornin]]></description>
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<p>Katy and I drove from Washington D.C. to Indianapolis and back this Thanksgiving. This morning as we drove through central Ohio on way back to Indy we listened to <a href="http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=369">This American Life&#8217;s Poultry Slam 2008</a>; their tribute to all things fowl as Americans prepare their holiday meals.</p>
<p>It was a great way to spend an hour and the stories, or acts in <a href="http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Default.aspx">This American Life</a> parlance, all centered around birds and God.</p>
<p>The story that stuck out to me most was the act called &#8220;A Pastor and his flock.&#8221;  I&#8217;m a sucker for stories about the intersection of the labor movement and church and this was a powerful story.  Rector Bruce Walker at <a href="http://www.gracemorganton.org/">Grace Episcopal Church in Morganton, North Carolina,</a> was asked by organizers at the <a href="http://www.workersunitedwnc.org/">Western Carolina Worker&#8217;s Center</a> to get involved in a struggle between workers and management at nearby <a href="http://www.casefarms.com/">Case Farms</a>.  The workers at Case Farms, a gigantic chicken processing facility, were organizing a union and Ken Wilson, the head of public relations and mouth piece for the vicious antiunion campaign for Case Farms, was a member at Grace.</p>
<p>(For more information about the struggle, check out <a href="http://www.barryyeoman.com/articles/casefarms.html">Barry Yeoman&#8217;s Spiritual Union</a> or read <a href="http://uncpress.unc.edu/browse/page/334">The Maya of Morganton</a>, written by <a href="http://uncpress.unc.edu/browse/page/334">UNC Labor professor Leon Fink</a>.)</p>
<p>Even though Walker was relatively new to town, none of the workers at Case Farms (mostly Guatamalan immigrants) worshipped at Grace and that Walker was part of the solidly middle-class congregation, the rector sided with the workers.  He tried to get his congregant to start rethinking his stance and role.  Wilson was a little angry when his pastor showed up on the day of the union election and he soon quit the church and moved out of town.</p>
<p>Though the church lost a tither that day, the low wage poultry workers of Morganton gained a friend and ally.  When asked if he had any regrets, Rector Walker only regretted that he hadn&#8217;t done more.</p>
<p>Its a story every pastor  and his or her flock should here.  Hopefully, the members at Grace are proud of their pastor who knows the difference between cheap and costly grace.</p>
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<link>http://dmthinktank.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/looking-to-the-future/</link>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Since I started this blog I noticed a very strange temptation to look back and evaluate my past to death. I even scrapped a very tough article entitled &#8216;Fundamentalists Anonymous&#8217; after working on it for several hours. It comes a time, I think, when you have let go of the past, get over it, and look into the future.</p>
<p>I admit that I&#8217;m a bit troubled by the temptations which this blog are springing on me, especially when it is so widely accessible, and people from my past are constantly shocked by how far I moved on in my thinking from a fundamentalist position to a progressive and inquisitive one. To be dragged into endless discussions about what made me move on is very unattractive to me, not to mention painful because of memories I&#8217;d rather leave behind.</p>
<p><!--more-->After six months of my &#8216;probationary year&#8217;, the last stage in the training for the Ministry of the Word and Sacrament, I find myself compelled to look into the future and to try to anticipate as best I can where the church will be, or rather where it should move. More and more I become convinced that the traditional vision of formal Sunday worship is painfully foreign to non-church people, and that there is little which could attract them to it. I read recently that where the church experiences growth in the world, this is on the basis of a 95% rate of transfers from other denominations. There are very few non-church people being attracted into the church.</p>
<p>One reason for this, I believe, is that church is very scary for many people on the outside. We acknowledge that theologically the church is supposed to be about grace and compassion, thus offering the best solution to the biggest problem people seem to be experiencing &#8211; that of guilt. And yet, people are not rushing in to get their problem solved, possibly because we operate with a strangely contradictory theology of &#8216;graceful God &#8211; vengeful God&#8217;. As far as the people outside are concerned, the church hasn&#8217;t made up its mind about that. And so people ask: &#8220;What&#8217;s the use of going to church?&#8221; That is true especially since the church is seen as a place where they will be made to feel even more guilty than they already feel. Granted, this is only one of the problems, of course, and an oversimplification it may be, but it is one of the biggest ones I think.</p>
<p>But I also think we suffer from too much formalism. I see the future of the church in new and emerging expressions centered around conversation and interaction. I believe in a few decades we will see the church moving towards alternative expressions to Sunday morning formal services. They will remain more or less as they are for another hundred or so years, but the focus of the church will have to be on a more organic, missional and conversational expression of community life.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not talking about reinventing Sunday services, or repackaging them with contemporary music and multi-media gimmicks. Oh no. I&#8217;ve been down that road before. It&#8217;s nice, but it ultimately misses the mark. Theology and worship focuses too much on a top-down model. The expert prepares worship and the amateurs endure it. That model will have to go soon, or the church will fail to experience growth from outside of its present constituency.</p>
<p>What we will see in the near future, I think, is that many churches will experiment with emerging ministries alongside Sunday worship services, focusing more and more resources on these ministries. I&#8217;m so glad I&#8217;m involved in parish ministry, which is the best environment to attempt such exciting ministries in the future. There is a lot of great stuff going on in many churches today, which gives me a reason to be hopeful, and fills me with a sense of excitement and sweet anxiety&#8230;</p>
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<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[by Kjos Ministries Twelve Early Martyrs in ancient Carthage †  180 AD Their crime? They were Christi]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:x-small;"> </span><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:x-small;"> <span style="font-size:x-small;"><em> <img src="http://www.shepherd.to/articles/oc/flower-symmetrical-s-blue-1-s.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="44" height="40" /></em></span></span></span></span></p>
<p>by<a href="http://www.shepherd.to/Persecution/martyr/early-church/twelve-martyrs.htm"> Kjos Ministries</a></p>
<p><strong>Twelve Early Martyrs in ancient Carthage  †  180 AD</strong></p>
<p><strong>Their crime? They  					were Christians who refused to compromise or recant. </strong>They would rather die than deny their faith and betray the  					Lord they loved!</p>
<p>The seven  men and five women were brought before the Roman proconsul Saturninus in Carthage, North Africa (Tunisia) on July 17, 180AD. He gave them an opportunity to recant:<br />
&#8220;You can win the indulgence of our lord the Emperor,  						if you <strong>return to a sound mind</strong>.&#8221;[1]<br />
[See 						<a href="http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/MentalHealth2-99.html"> The UN Plan for your mental health</a>]</p>
<p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;">Speratus, the apparent leader of the small group of  					faithful disciples, answered,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;"> </span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;"> </span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;">&#8216;We have never done ill, we have not lent ourselves  						to wrong, we have never spoken ill, but when ill-treated  						we have given thanks&#8230;.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;"> </span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;"> </span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;">&#8220;We too are religious,&#8221; answered the proconsul, &#8220;and our  					religion is simple, and we swear by the genius of our lord  					the Emperor, and pray for his welfare, as you also ought to  					do.&#8221;</span></p>
<p>&#8220;The empire of this world I know not,&#8221; explained Speratus,  					&#8220;but rather I serve that God, whom no man has seen, nor with  					these eyes can see. I have committed no theft; but if I have  					bought anything, I pay the tax; because <strong>I know my Lord,  					the King of kings and Emperor of all nations</strong>.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Be not partakers of this folly,&#8221; said the proconsul.</p>
<p>Cittinus, one of the faithful, said, &#8220;We have none other to  					fear, save only our Lord God, who is in heaven.&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you persist in being a Christian?&#8221; asked the proconsul.</p>
<p>&#8220;I am a Christian,&#8221; he answered. All the others agreed&#8230;.</p>
<p>The proconsul Saturninus then read the decree [their  					sentence] from a tablet:</p>
<p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;"> </span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;"> </span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;">&#8220;Speratus, Nartzalus, Cittinus, Donata, Vestia,  						Secunda and the rest having confessed that they live  						according to the Christian rite, since after opportunity  						offered them of <strong>returning to the custom of the Romans  						they have obstinately persisted</strong>, it is determined that  						they be put to the sword.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;"> </span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;"> </span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;">&#8220;</span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#5b0602;"><strong>We  					give thanks to God</strong></span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;">,&#8221;  					said Speratus.<br />
&#8220;</span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#5b0602;"><strong>Today  					we are martyrs in heaven; thanks be to God</strong></span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;">,&#8221;  					added Nartzalus.</span></p>
<p>The proconsul then gave the order that their sentence be  					publicly announced by the herald: &#8220;Speratus, Nartzalus,  					Cittinus, Veturius, Felix, Aquilinus, Lætantius, Januaria,  					Generosa, Vestia, Donata and Secunda, I have ordered to be  					executed.&#8221;</p>
<p>They all said:<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#5b0602;"><strong> &#8220;Thanks be to God.</strong></span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;">&#8220;</span></p>
<p>&#8220;And so they all together were crowned with martyrdom; and  					they reign with the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost,  					for ever and ever. Amen.<span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:x-small;">&#8220;</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:x-small;"> </span></p>
<hr /><span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:x-small;"> </span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;">According  					to the</span><span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:x-small;"> </span> <span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:small;"><em>Christian History Magazine</em>,  					Issue 27,<br />
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<blockquote><p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:small;">&#8220;The account of these martyrs from Scilli, a village  						near Carthage, is the earliest document demonstrating  						the existence of Christianity in North Africa. It shows  						what was at stake between Rome and the church: two  						opposing ways of life. When these African Christians  						refused to return to &#8216;the usage [custom] of the Romans,&#8217; the Roman authorities recognized there was a profound danger  						to the Empire. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:small;">&#8220;The story of these seven men and five women is also  						important for the development of the canon of Scripture.  						When the Christians were arrested, they were carrying  						&#8216;the sacred books, and the letters of Paul, a just man.&#8217;  						&#8216;The sacred books&#8217; may mean the Hebrew Scriptures, thus  						making this an early indication that Paul’s letters were  						treated as Scripture. Or &#8216;the books&#8217; may refer to the  						Gospels, which would likewise give insight into the  						history of the New Testament’s formation.&#8221;</span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:xx-small;">[2]</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:small;">The intensity of persecution in the Roman Empire rose and  					fell with the temperaments and circumstances of the various  					emperors. Of course, that&#8217;s not unique in the historical  					record. Through the centuries of time, everything keeps changing  					&#8211; including churches and values &#8212; except God and His  					eternal Kingdom.  					In the last few  					decades, we have seen masses of so-called Christians ready  					and willing to  					compromise Truth and conform to an increasingly corrupt world.   					Like in Old Testament days, it no  					longer seems wrong to &#8220;love evil more than good.&#8221;  					(</span><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;color:#212443;font-size:x-small;">Psalm 52:3)</span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:small;"> Almost &#8220;anything goes&#8221; except &#8220;intolerance&#8221; toward popular  					evil.<br />
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<p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:small;"> <span style="font-family:Constantia;"> </span></span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Constantia;"><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;">Genuine,  					uncompromising Christians will be despised by tomorrow&#8217;s  					leaders and global managers. We don&#8217;t fit their vision of unity,  					<a href="http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/006/solidarity-1.html">solidarity</a> and upside-down  					<a href="http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/007/tolerance.htm">tolerance</a>. Like the ancient rulers  					who demanded conformity with </span> </span> <span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:small;">&#8220;the  					custom of the Romans,&#8221; a new breed of rulers &#8212; like  					those in ancient Rome &#8212; are beginning to  					trumpet  					the &#8220;profound danger&#8221; of Christian resistance to  					their rising global empire.</span><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;color:#212443;font-size:x-small;"> (See </span> <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;color:#003399;font-size:x-small;"> <span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;color:#003399;font-size:x-small;"> <a href="http://www.shepherd.to/crossroad.to/articles2/006/migration-2.htm"> <span style="color:#0033cc;">The emerging  		New World Order</span></a></span></span><span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;color:#0033cc;"> </span> <span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;color:#212443;">) </span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:xx-small;">[2]</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:small;"> <span style="font-family:Constantia;"><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;">The times  					ahead will surely bring a time of purification to the Church  					&#8211; a separation of what the Bible calls wheat and tares: a  					division between those who truly belong to God and those who  					prefer to identify with today&#8217;s adaptable, emerging church.<br />
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<p><span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:x-small;"> <span style="font-size:x-small;"><em> <img src="http://www.shepherd.to/images/09/sheep/tiny-s.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="67" height="50" /></em></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:x-small;"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:x-small;"> </span></span></span></p>
<blockquote><p><em> <span style="font-family:Bookman Old Style;"> <span style="color:#640000;font-size:x-small;">&#8220;If              you were of the world,<strong> </strong>the world would love its own. Yet because you              are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world              hates you&#8230;. <strong>If they persecuted Me they will              persecute you</strong>&#8230; <strong>for they do not know </strong>the One who sent Me.&#8221; </span></span><span style="color:#640000;font-size:x-small;">John 15:19-21</span></em></p></blockquote>
<hr /><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;font-size:x-small;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;font-size:x-small;">1. 			&#8220;The Passion of the Scillian Martyrs,&#8221; at 					<a href="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1013.htm">http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1013.htm</a> </span></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype;color:#212443;font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Constantia;font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;font-size:x-small;">2. </span> <span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;color:#212443;font-size:x-small;"><em>Christian History  				Magazine</em>, Issue 27: Persecution in the Early Church (Carol Stream, IL: 					<em>Christianity Today</em>, 1990)</span></span></span></p>
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<title><![CDATA[More From Dr. James White on The Manhattan Declaration]]></title>
<link>http://narrowisthepath.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/more-from-dr-james-white-on-the-manhattan-declaration/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Reformed Joe</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Further Thoughts on the Manhattan Declaration and a Response to Frank Beckwith 11/25/2009 &#8211; Ja]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://aomin.org/" target="_blank"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-582" title="AlbumArt_{C55B3AAE-F446-4094-ADA3-502F95E5348C}_Large" src="http://narrowisthepath.wordpress.com/files/2009/10/albumart_c55b3aae-f446-4094-ada3-502f95e5348c_large.jpg" alt="" width="200" height="200" /></a>11/25/2009 &#8211; James White</p>
<h3>I returned from a very enjoyable jaunt up and down South Mountain with my wife (on bicycles, of course) to discover that Southern Seminary President Albert Mohler had tweeted a link to my comments on the Manhattan Declaration. I am very thankful Dr. Mohler felt them worthy of notice. I said recently Dr. Mohler is the smartest Southern Baptist alive, and I gain much from listening to his podcasts (again while slowly cranking along on my quest to finish my second trip around the earth at the equator&#8212;only 2800 miles away now!).</h3>
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Of course, one of the main questions I have received since posting my thoughts (and referring to those of John MacArthur) has to do with Dr. Mohler&#8217;s defense of his signing the document. It has never been my intention to excite that spectrum of folks who exist on the fringes of meaningful apologetics who are constantly looking for a new conflict, a new battle. Yes, I had read Dr. Mohler&#8217;s comments on why he signed the document prior to writing my article. I appreciate his position, but I beg to differ. I am thankful Dr. Mohler does not view the document as a theological manifesto requiring him to abandon a biblical view of the gospel. But as I and others have pointed out, it is difficult, if not impossible, to speak of what Christians should do, and in fact, must do, in the face of an ever increasingly hostile secularism, without doing so in the context of the gospel itself. In other words, a Christian who believes in the God-centeredness of the gospel of grace will respond differently to secularism than one who embraces a much more man-centered, works-oriented &#8220;gospel.&#8221; And given the long history of Rome&#8217;s violation of biblical teachings regarding the gospel (not just on the matter of sola fide, but the entire complex of doctrines that forms Rome&#8217;s sacramental system, including its rejection of sola scriptura, its sacerdotal priesthood, and its perfection-denying doctrine of the Mass as a propitiatory sacrifice), I, and others, find it impossible to speak in unison with a Church that claims to define &#8220;Church,&#8221; embody &#8220;Church,&#8221; all the while perverting the gospel of Christ. Our social duties are not separate from the gospel. They are defined by it. Now I accept that Dr. Mohler honestly believes the following words are true, and as a result, signed the document:<br />
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<p><a href="http://aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3643" target="_blank">To Cont. Reading </a></h3>
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<link>http://narrowisthepath.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/dr-james-white-on-the-manhattan-declaration/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[The Troubling Aspects of the Manhattan Declaration 11/23/2009 &#8211; James White Because we honor j]]></description>
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<p>11/23/2009 &#8211; James White</p>
<blockquote><p>Because we honor justice and the common good, we will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo destructive research, assisted suicide and euthanasia, or any other anti life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriages or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family. We will fully and ungrudgingly render to Caesar what is Caesar’s. But under no circumstances will we render to Caesar what is God’s.</p></blockquote>
<p>These words conclude the Manhattan Declaration, promulgated November 20, 2009. There is much in this document that any serious-minded Christian not only can agree with, but simply must agree with. There is no question that the forces of secularism are moving quickly, under the guise of &#8220;social advancement&#8221; and &#8220;equal rights,&#8221; to attack, denigrate, and, in their highest hopes and aspirations, relegate the Christian worldview to the trash heap of history. Evil men, and women, hold positions of power in Western societies, and since it is inevitably true that the Christian witness enrages those who love the darkness (John 7:7), they are doing all they can to subvert and silence that witness which so exposes their consciences. The general statements of the document relating to life, abortion, marriage, sexuality, and religious liberty, are well stated and timely. There is something reassuring in realizing that the concerns we have had are shared across a broad spectrum.</p>
<p>But there are a number of troubling things that I cannot get past in examining this document and considering its implications. When I see some of the leading ecumenists in the forefront of the documents&#8217; production, I am made uneasy, and for good reason. Great damage has been done to the cause of Christ by those who have sought to promote the Kingdom by compromising the gospel, the only power given to the church that can change hearts, and hence change societies. By relegating the gospel to a matter of opinion and difference, but not something that defines the Christian faith, these ecumenists have left their followers with a cause without power, a quest without a solution. And though their open-mindedness fits better with our current post-modern culture, from a biblical perspective, they have truly betrayed the apostolic example.</p>
<p>This document presents a Christianity ostensibly based upon bare Trinitarianism. I listened to Chuck Colson speak on the Hugh Hewitt program this afternoon. He made it very clear that this is, in fact, a theological document, despite the assertions of others that it is not. He was asked why Jews, Mormons, and others, were not invited to sign the document. He said they were not asked because this is a specifically Christian statement, quoting from the Christian scriptures. Once again we are led to the inevitable conclusion that &#8220;Christian&#8221; then is &#8220;Trinitarianism plus agreed upon historical truths such as the crucifixion and resurrection, but, most importantly, without any gospel content.&#8221; It does no good to muddle this discussion with &#8220;Well, what about the medieval church&#8221; questions, since we are talking about a day and age when the issues are well known. We are not talking about a dark period of biblical ignorance. There is more light available today than ever before. And for many, the gospel is simply no longer part of the &#8220;non-negotiables.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I am left confused by the inconsistency of the document. Mormons are not invited. Understandable, given that the LDS faith is the most polytheistic faith I&#8217;ve ever encountered. Trinitarians only need apply. I can fully understand that. So&#8230;why are we told toward the end of this Declaration that Martin Luther King, Jr., wrote from an explicitly Christian perspective? A brief visit to Martin Luther King&#8217;s writings will reveal he was hardly orthodox even using the limited definition utilized by this Declaration. For example, <a href="http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/index.php/encyclopedia/documentsentry/doc_500215_008/" target="_blank">writing in a paper while in seminary</a>, Martin Luther King, Jr. said:</p>
<blockquote><p>The orthodox attempt to explain the divinity of Jesus in terms of an inherent metaphysical substance within him seems to me quite inadaquate. To say that the Christ, whose example of living we are bid to follow, is divine in an ontological sense is actually harmful and detrimental. To invest this Christ with such supernatural qualities makes the rejoinder: &#8220;Oh, well, he had a better chance for that kind of life than we can possible have.&#8221; In other words, one could easily use this as a means to hide behind behind his failures. So that the orthodox view of the divinity of Christ is in my mind quite readily denied.</p></blockquote>
<p>So why put forth King as explicitly Christian, but not invite the Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses, who would &#8220;quite readily deny&#8221; the deity of Christ as well? Perhaps a document that identifies Papal actions as explicitly Christian actions can be excused for its inherent self-contradiction.</p>
<p>There is no question that all believers need to think seriously about the issues raised by this declaration. But what is the only solution to these issues? Is the solution to be found in presenting a unified front that implicitly says &#8220;the gospel does not unite us, but that is not important enough to divide us&#8221;? I do not think so. What is the only power given to the church to change hearts and minds? United political power? Or the gospel that is trampled under foot by every Roman Catholic priest when he &#8220;re-presents&#8221; the sacrifice of Christ upon the Roman altar, pretending to be a priest, an &#8220;alter Christus&#8221;? Am I glad when a Roman clergyman calls abortion murder? Of course. But it exhibits a real confusion, and not a small amount of cowardice, it seems, to stop identifying the man&#8217;s false gospel and false teaching simply because you are glad to have a few more on the &#8220;right&#8221; side of a vitally important social issue.</p>
<p>This takes me back to <a href="http://vintage.aomin.org/Evangelicals_and_Catholics_Together.html" target="_blank">my original response to the ECT document</a>. I have seen so many re-organize their priorities in light of having made &#8220;common cause&#8221; with those who have a false gospel all in the name of doing social good. I am glad Rome retains elements of God&#8217;s truth and morality. But when did being good or moral bring one salvation, as if anyone is ever truly good, or truly moral?</p>
<p>These are the matters that truly concern me about the Manhattan Declaration. Why does God have the right to determine human sexuality, marriage, and to define life itself? It all goes back to the gospel, does it not? If we are going to give a consistent, clear answer to our culture, we dare not find our power in a false unity that overshadows the gospel and cripples our witness.</p>
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<link>http://livingjourney.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/scripture-post-modernism-and-interpretation/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[I really like this… Scripture is not meant for private interpretation but it is to over rule them! S]]></description>
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<p>Scripture is not meant for private interpretation but it is to <em>over rule</em> them! Sounds kinda scriptural to me…</p>
<p><strong><font color="#ff0000">2Pe 1:20&#160; knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation. </font></strong></p>
<p><strong><font color="#ff0000">2Ti 2:15&#160; Give diligence to present yourself approved to God, a workman unashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth. </font></strong></p>
<p>I remember someone had once said to me that you could interpret the bible individually, meaning privately. But scripture says that you can’t!</p>
<p>Another thing that hit me after reading these verses was that ‘post-modern, relativism’ is made up of personal opinion; what’s true for you isn’t true for me’. When one counters that with what God actually says on any given subject then critique can often be felt as a personal attack. So is it any wonder why people cry out… “you’re intolerant, you are not speaking in love”.</p>
<p>The other point is that tolerance is raised to a higher virtue than truth today. The word tolerance has changed to mean something <em>more than</em> respecting differing opinions, it now means ‘not believing in anything for sure’. </p>
<p>As I have come across people who have embraced certain teachings that are not scriptural I am reminded of these verses:</p>
<p><strong><font color="#ff0000">Eph 4:14-16&#160; that we may be no longer children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, in craftiness, after the wiles of error;&#160; but speaking truth in love, we may grow up in all things into him, who is the head, even Christ; from whom all the body fitly framed and knit together through that which every joint supplieth, according to the working in due measure of each several part, maketh the increase of the body unto the building up of itself in love. </font></strong></p>
<p>Charles Spurgeon said:</p>
<p><em>The glorious charity of the present day is such, that it believes lies to be as good as truth; and lies and truth have met together and kissed each other; and he that telleth truth is called a bigot, and truth has ceased to be honourable in the world! Ah! beloved, we know better than to profess such unlimited, but false charity; the truth is, we know how to &#34;hold fast the form of sounds words,&#34; which has been given to us, because in this way we grow. Changeable people cannot grow much.</em></p>
<p><strong><font color="#ff0000">Joh 8:31&#160; So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, &#34;If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,        <br />Joh 8:32&#160; and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.&#34;</font></strong> </p>
<p>Just my thoughts for the day <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<link>http://battle4truth.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/the-end-times-deception/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Billy Creighton</dc:creator>
<guid>http://battle4truth.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/the-end-times-deception/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[&#8220;And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.&#8221; &#8211; Matthew 24:11]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Lord, Why Not Call Bill Instead of Me? (Part 5)]]></title>
<link>http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-5/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Larry Who</dc:creator>
<guid>http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-5/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Click on following for earlier articles: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3 and Part 4. You put up with it when ]]></description>
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<p><em><strong>Click on following for earlier articles:</strong> <a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-1/">Part 1</a></em><em>, <a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-2/">Part 2</a>, <a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-3/">Part 3</a> and <a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-4/">Part 4</a>.</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>You put up with it when they make you their slaves, take everything you have, take advantage of you, put on airs, and slap you in the face. (2 Corinthians 11:20 NLT)<br />
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<p>It&#8217;s one thing for pastors to misuse their authority, and thereby, try to control believers. But it can become devastating when a person with an apostolic or prophetic anointing misuses his authority &#8211; knowingly or unknowingly &#8211; to control Christians.</p>
<p>One of the most  extreme examples of a person misusing a prophetic anointing is <a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/id-like-to-prophesy-but-part-2/">Jim Jones</a>. His name is forever linked to the words: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones">Jonestown Massacre</a>.</p>
<p>In my case, the prophetic bondage I suffered was certainly not on the scale of a Jim Jones, but still, it was devastating enough for me.</p>
<p>As I wrote in <a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-4/">Part 4</a>, I attended a little church for four years. A husband and wife were the pastors. One had a prophetic anointing and the other an apostolic one; both had strong gifts.</p>
<p>But the problem was that they had control issues, especially over people with callings. They saw us as gems for their personal ministry which they envisioned as being national in scope.</p>
<p>For me, they believed I would be their Silas, a prophet who would minister in the churches they hoped to plant. (Later, I discovered this <span style="text-decoration:underline;">important point</span>: they were even praying and prophesying this vision over my life in their personal prayer times. Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!)</p>
<p>When they would talk about their vision for me, I&#8217;d say, &#8220;I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what the Lord has in mind for me. But of course, if it is, I&#8217;d certainly be open to it.&#8221;</p>
<p>All of this came to a head one day when I had a disagreement with them. We agreed on a meeting for that evening.  To prepare myself,  I spent the afternoon praying and fasting, and had a strong prophetic word for them, especially the husband.</p>
<p>They asked me to speak first. As I finished reading a verse of scripture and was ready to give the prophetic word, one of them interrupted me by speaking in tongues. And then, the other interpreted it.</p>
<p>The tongues and interpretation felt like machine-gun bullets, ripping through my guts. Whatever anointing I had for the meeting with them was blown apart. I was destroyed.</p>
<p>As I limped home that evening, I cried out to the Lord. &#8220;Lord, You have to help me. I want to obey the rulers You have placed over me, but right now,  I&#8217;m confused. And I don&#8217;t understand what&#8217;s going on.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, how was I set free from this prison with a steeple on its roof?</p>
<p><strong>(Continued in Part 6.)</strong></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Dr. John MacArthur on The Manhattan Declaration]]></title>
<link>http://narrowisthepath.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/dr-john-macarthur-on-the-manhattan-declaration/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Reformed Joe</dc:creator>
<guid>http://narrowisthepath.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/dr-john-macarthur-on-the-manhattan-declaration/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[The Manhattan Declaration Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 (By John MacArthur) Here are the main reasons I am n]]></description>
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The Manhattan Declaration<br />
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<div>Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009<br />
<em>(By John MacArthur)</em></div>
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<p>Here are the main reasons I am not signing the Manhattan Declaration, even though a few men whom I love and respect have already affixed their names to it:</p>
<p>• Although I obviously agree with the document’s opposition to same-sex marriage, abortion, and other key moral problems threatening our culture, the document falls far short of identifying the one true and ultimate remedy for all of humanity’s moral ills: <em><strong>the gospel</strong></em>. The gospel is barely mentioned in the Declaration. At one point the statement rightly acknowledges, “It is our duty to proclaim the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in its fullness, both in season and out of season”—and then adds an encouraging wish: “May God help us not to fail in that duty.”  Yet the gospel itself is nowhere presented (much less explained) in the document or any of the accompanying literature. Indeed, that would be a practical impossibility because of the contradictory views held by the broad range of signatories regarding what the gospel teaches and what it means to be a Christian.</p>
<p>• This is precisely where the document fails most egregiously.  It assumes from the start that all signatories are fellow Christians whose only differences have to do with the fact that they represent distinct “communities.” Points of disagreement are tacitly acknowledged but are described as “historic lines of ecclesial differences” rather than fundamental conflicts of doctrine and conviction with regard to the gospel and the question of which teachings are essential to authentic Christianity.</p>
<p>• Instead of acknowledging the true depth of our differences, the implicit assumption (from the start of the document until its final paragraph) is that Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant Evangelicals and others all share a common faith in and a common commitment to the gospel’s essential claims. The document repeatedly employs expressions like “we [and] our fellow believers”; “As Christians, we . . .”; and “we claim the heritage of . . . Christians.” That seriously muddles the lines of demarcation between authentic biblical Christianity and various apostate traditions.</p>
<p>• The Declaration therefore constitutes a formal avowal of brotherhood between Evangelical signatories and purveyors of different gospels. That is the stated intention of some of the key signatories, and it’s hard to see how secular readers could possibly view it in any other light. Thus for the sake of issuing a manifesto decrying certain moral and political issues, the Declaration obscures both the importance of the gospel and the very substance of the gospel message.</p>
<p>• This is neither a novel approach nor a strategic stand for evangelicals to take.  It ought to be clear to all that the agenda behind the recent flurry of proclamations and moral pronouncements we’ve seen promoting ecumenical co-belligerence is the viewpoint Charles Colson has been championing for more than two decades. (It is not without significance that his name is nearly always at the head of the list of drafters when these statements are issued.) He explained his agenda in his 1994 book <em>The Body</em>, in which he argued that the only truly essential doctrines of authentic Christian truth are those spelled out in the Apostles’ and Nicene creeds. I responded to that argument at length in <em>Reckless Faith</em>. I stand by what I wrote then.</p>
<p>In short, support for The Manhattan Declaration would not only contradict the stance I have taken since long before the original “Evangelicals and Catholics Together” document was issued; it would also tacitly relegate the very essence of gospel truth to the level of a secondary issue.  That is the wrong way—perhaps the very worst way—for evangelicals to address the moral and political crises of our time. Anything that silences, sidelines, or relegates the gospel to secondary status is antithetical to the principles we affirm when we call ourselves evangelicals.</p>
<p>John MacArthur</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Emergent Books]]></title>
<link>http://nazarenepsalm113.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/emergent-books-2/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>nazarenepsalm113</dc:creator>
<guid>http://nazarenepsalm113.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/emergent-books-2/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[From my friend and brother in the Lord the ever biblically solid Gary Gilley &nbsp; Emergent Books.]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.svchapel.org/resources/articles/21-church-trends/80-emergent-books">Emergent Books</a>.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[The Two Tree's]]></title>
<link>http://nazarenepsalm113.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/the-two-trees/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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<div>He sent His Word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.<br />
(Psalm 107:20)</div>
<p>Meditation that is not founded upon the Word of God, like a<a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Nam30.htm">labyrinth</a>, is a maze that ultimately ends up in futility, going nowhere but endless spirals.</p>
<p>Those who have practiced Eastern-style meditation, with its emptying of the mind and/or visualization (imagery), often do so because they desire to acquire peace, or because they are hurting and desire their inner psycho-spiritual needs to be met. Yet they will eventually find that their needs are not met, and they are more empty than ever. Further, this type of meditation opens one&#8217;s mind to occult spirituality &#8211; even if it is done under the aura of being &#8220;Christian.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those who engage in the pantheon of contemplative practices need to beware that it is described as &#8220;two intentions that are the foundation of all contemplative practices: cultivating awareness and developing a stronger connection to God, the divine, or inner wisdom.&#8221;[1] See <a href="http://www.contemplativemind.org/practices/tree.html">&#8220;The Tree of Contemplative Practices&#8221;</a> posted <a href="http://www.contemplativemind.org/practices/tree.html">HERE.</a> This is a graphic representation of how the &#8220;roots of the tree encompass and transcend differences in the religious traditions from which many of the practices originated, and allow room for the inclusion of new practices that are being created in secular contexts.&#8221;[2]</p>
<p>Looking at this tree, it is obvious that what passes for &#8220;Christian&#8221; meditation in our modern era springs from the Gnostic roots of this occult tree. Is it any wonder that this tree then bears corresponding occult fruit? Note that this contemplative tree does not promise life, only &#8220;wisdom,&#8221; which just happens to be what the serpent promised Eve if she ate of the fruit of the tree in the Garden of Eden.</p>
<p>But what about the person who is truly needy? One who is experiencing a crisis of faith? Who is being persecuted? The fragile believer who feels that their faith is floundering or drying up? These struggling believers are being encouraged to run to this &#8220;contemplative tree&#8221; of eclectic spiritual practices to find refuge, solace and comfort. After all, it istrendy to run to this contemporary contemplative tree, despite its antiquated roots buried in the deep strata of occultism.</p>
<p>This alluring multifaceted tree promises healing, renewal, insight, rest, wisdom and access to God. But, warning! Eating its fruit results in spiritual blindness and deafness, bondage and emptiness.</p>
<p>The Tree of Life</p>
<p>There is another tree, which is found in Scripture. It is based on the Word of God. Psalm 1 describes the believer who finds his &#8221;delight in the the law of the LORD&#8221; and says that in this law (God&#8217;s Word) &#8221;doth he meditate day and night.&#8221; If a believer does this he is promised that he shall &#8221;be like atree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper&#8221; (verses 2-3, emphases added). What a promise!</p>
<p>Meditating on the Word of God produces beautiful fruit in the lives of Christian believers. There are many other promises in Scripture for the believer who meditates upon God&#8217;s Word. These are personal promises that apply not only to daily living, but also to a wide variety of life crises, feelings, situations, hurts, pains, persecutions, trials, trouble and dangers. Here is just a brief sampling, starting at Psalm 119, which is a treasure trove of promises to those who meditate on God&#8217;s Word; i.e. His precepts, commandments, judgments, law and testimonies:</p>
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<li>vs. 25 - My soul cleaveth unto the dust: quicken thou me according to thy Word.</li>
<li>vs. 28 - My soul melteth for heaviness: strengthenthou me according unto thy Word.</li>
<li>vs. 97 - O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.</li>
<li>vs. 104 - Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.</li>
<li>vs. 105 - Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet, and a lightunto my path.</li>
<li>vs. 130 - The entrance of thy Words giveth light; itgiveth understanding unto the simple.</li>
<li>vs. 133 - Order my steps in thy Word: and let not anyiniquity have dominion over me.</li>
<li>vs. 134 - Deliver me from the oppression of man: so will I keep thy precepts.</li>
<li>vs. 161 - Princes have persecuted me without a cause: but my heart standeth in awe of thy Word.</li>
<li>vs. 162 - I rejoice at thy Word, as one that findeth great spoil.</li>
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<p>Proverbs 30:5 further promises that &#8221;Every word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isaiah 29 warns about idolatrous hearts (vs. 13) and says that the &#8221;wisdom of their wise men shall perish&#8221; (vs. 14). Then Isaiah 30 speaks to those who &#8221;despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon&#8221; (vs. 12), but promises that &#8221;in returning [i.e., repentance] and rest shall ye be saved.&#8221; This same verse promises the very thing that contemplative practices claim to accomplish -rest! And it further promises that &#8221;in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength.&#8221; But, sadly, the verse concludes with the tragic statement: &#8221;and ye would not.&#8221;</p>
<p>God&#8217;s ways are not hidden like the obscure &#8220;wisdom&#8221; of the occult that must be meditated upon in endless ways that never satisfy. He has given us His Word openly. Twice in Isaiah God says, &#8221;I have not spoken in secret&#8221; (Isaiah 45:19 and 48:16). God&#8217;s Word does satisfy, and we are promised in Isaiah 55:11 that: &#8221;So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.&#8221;</p>
<p>The New Testament, particularly in the book of Acts, records the power of the Word of God to change human lives. The backdrop to the events in Acts is strikingly similar to our modern era with its rapidly rising idolatry and occult spirituality. God&#8217;s Word alone has the miraculous power to change lives. Paul told King Agrippa that the purpose of preaching the Gospel (i.e., God&#8217;s Word) was &#8221;To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me&#8221; (Acts 26:18). And in Romans Paul states that the Gospel of Christ &#8221;is the power of God unto salvation&#8221;(vs. 16).</p>
<p>Many today avoid God&#8217;s Word. They do not run to it as a source of strength and sustenance. They will do anything butread God&#8217;s Word! In Jeremiah 2:13 we read how readily people will substitute an inferior man-made product for The Way: &#8221;For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps the reason for avoidance of God&#8217;s Word is because His Word is uncomfortable &#8211; it is &#8221;quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart&#8221; (Hebrews 4:12). The Word provokes believers to have their conscience quickened to sin in their hearts and lives, and it encourages them to &#8221;Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance&#8221; (Matthew 3:8)!</p>
<p>Many Scriptures warn about hardening of the heart, which is the consequence of not obeying the Word. These are not popular verses in our era, particularly the ones that refer to hardness of heart being wicked!</p>
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<li>John 12:40 - &#8221;He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.&#8221;</li>
<li>Romans 2:4-5 - &#8221;Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;&#8221;</li>
<li>Proverbs 21:29 - &#8221;A wicked man hardeneth his face: but as for the upright, he directeth his way.&#8221;</li>
<li>Proverbs 28:14 - &#8221;Happy is the man that feareth alway: but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief.&#8221;</li>
<li>Proverbs 29:1 - &#8221;He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.&#8221;</li>
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<p>Hebrews 3:8 warns particularly, &#8221;Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness,&#8221; which is followed by verse 11, &#8221;So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.&#8221; This is that true rest which can only be found in obedience to God&#8217;s Word. It cannot be obtained through the pursuing of meditative mechanisms.</p>
<p>Eating the fruit of <a href="http://www.contemplativemind.org/practices/tree.html">&#8220;The Tree of Contemplative Practices&#8221;</a>cannot result in either repentance nor rest, but rather in an increasing tolerance for doctrinal ambiguity, sinful living, ecumenism, and mysticism. Romans 1 describes the downhill progression that begins with being &#8221;vain&#8221; in one&#8217;s&#8221;imaginations.&#8221; This vanity seems an apt description of all entry-level contemplative practices. It quickly degenerates into one&#8217;s &#8221;foolish heart&#8221; becoming &#8221;darkened.&#8221; Romans 1 indicates that this downward spiral becomes outright idolatry, vile affections, a reprobate mind, and a long list of evil practices.</p>
<p>Where is God&#8217;s sovereignty and majesty? Job was chastised by God for his inadequate and inferior view of Him. Couldn&#8217;t the same thing be said today to those who worship at <a href="http://www.contemplativemind.org/practices/tree.html">&#8220;The Tree of Contemplative Practices&#8221;</a>? While they pursue their various pilgrimages, meditations, chantings, journalings, sweatlodges and visionquests, God is saying to them:&#8221;Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding?&#8221; (vs. 4).</p>
<p>Likewise, Isaiah 66:5a cries out: &#8221;Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word.&#8221; Does anyone tremble at His Word anymore? Jeremiah Burroughs, in his classic workGospel Fear: Developing a Tender Hart that Trembles at the Word of God (1647)[3], describes the effects of having a&#8221;fear of the Lord&#8221; which is the &#8221;instruction of wisdom,&#8221; as stated in Proverbs 15:33, and notes that those who tremble at the Word must have a &#8220;teachable disposition.&#8221;[4]. Citing Proverbs 17:10 (&#8220;A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool&#8221;), Burroughs asks: &#8220;Do you find your heart so tender that a word works upon you? This is a sign of the wisdom of God that is in your soul.&#8221;[5]</p>
<p>Once again, ironically, the very thing that those who pursue after contemplative mysticism desire - wisdom - is there all along for those who immerse themselves in God&#8217;s Word! It is interesting that Proverbs 3, especially verses 13 and 18, promises wisdom, saying that it is a &#8221;tree of life&#8221; - &#8221;Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding&#8230; She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.&#8221;[emphasis added]</p>
<p>The Truth:</p>
<p>&#8220;He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.&#8221; (Revelation 2:7)</p>
<p>Endnotes:<br />
1. &#8220;The Tree of Contemplative Practices,&#8221; the Center for Contemplative Mind in Society, <a href="http://www.contemplativemind.org/practices/tree.html">http://www.contemplativemind.org/practices/tree.html</a><br />
2. Ibid.<br />
3. Jeremiah Burroughs, Gospel Fear: Developing a Tender Hart that Trembles at the Word of God (Soli Deo Gloria Publications, 2001), <a href="http://www.blogger.com/www.SDGbooks.com">www.SDGbooks.com</a>.<br />
4. p. 46.<br />
5. p. 86, emphasis added.</p>
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<link>http://nazarenepsalm113.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/the-new-age-spirituality-the-folly-of-the-ages/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Lord, Why Not Call Bill Instead of Me? (Part 4)]]></title>
<link>http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-4/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Click on following for earlier articles: Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3. Obey those who rule over you, an]]></description>
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<p><em><strong>Click on following for earlier articles:</strong> <a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-1/">Part 1</a></em><em>, <a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-2/">Part 2</a> and <a href="http://larrywho.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/lord-why-not-call-bill-instead-of-me-part-3/">Part 3</a>.</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give an account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable to you. (Hebrews 13:17)<br />
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<p>In 1987, I really thought the Lord was promoting me when He directed me to leave a large liturgical church and attend a small Charismatic one. Ouch! How naive I was!</p>
<p>At the first church service, I thought, freedom at last. Now, my calling will come forth as it should, amongst people who understand prophetic callings and the gifts of the Spirit.</p>
<p>The following four years of my life were spent at this small church,  giving hundreds of prophetic words and praying hours upon hours at the altar. That&#8217;s the good part.</p>
<p>But the ugly side is I took so much correction and so many rebukes that after a while I could no longer discern what was from the Lord and what was not. I was confused.</p>
<p>Once, a prophet noticed my attire. &#8220;You are called to be a man of God; and a man of God needs to always wear a suit or sport coat every time he comes to church,&#8221; he said, pointing his finger at me.</p>
<p>Clothing pleases the Lord?</p>
<p>Another respected prophet lambasted me during a special meeting. &#8220;You are not called to be a prophet, but instead, you are called to just give the oracles of God,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Talk about adding confusion to my life, this prophetic word certainly did!</p>
<p>A prophetess said, &#8221; Larry used to be a good prophet, but he doesn&#8217;t pray enough anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the time, I was getting up at 3:50 AM, praying for two hours and then heading over to the church for another hour of prayer. All of this took place before I went to work, laboring at maintenance and construction for 8 hours. Then, I came home and studied.</p>
<p>Not praying enough?</p>
<p>An elder with his nine-year old daughter stopped at the one-room apartment I was renting because of my marital separation. He looked at the shabby, 10&#8242; x 7&#8242; room, and then said to his daughter, &#8220;This is what happens when you disobey God!&#8221;</p>
<p>Disobeying God?</p>
<p>I received corrections on my clothing. On my prophetic style. On my teachings. On my preachings. On my finances. On what books and teaching tapes I listened to. On whether I should submit every teaching I gave outside the church to the leadership beforehand for their approval or not. On this and on that. On everything.</p>
<p>Can you guess what scripture was always used to validate my corrections? Good old <a href="http://bible.cc/hebrews/13-17.htm">Hebrews 13:17</a>.</p>
<p>Now, none of these people were mean spirited. They actually believed they were doing the will of the Lord for my life. Plus, they were victims of bondage, too.</p>
<p>And it was the worst type of bondage.</p>
<p>Prophetic bondage!</p>
<p><strong>(Continued in Part 5)</strong></p>
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<link>http://mikeoles3.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/my-experience-at-emergingumc2-friday-night-and-saturday-morning/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>It has been over a week now since <a href="http://emergingumc.blogspot.com/2009/07/registration-now-live-for-emergingumc2.html">EmergingUMC2: Restoring Missional Methodism </a>finished up.  At  high noon, Saturday, November 14, our gathering headed back into the world.  Some having a 700 mile ride back home on a minibus. </p>
<p>Where do we go from here?  That was the big question for me. </p>
<p>We spent Thursday night watching and discussing <a href="http://www.theordinaryradicals.com/">The Ordinary Radicals</a>, a beautiful film about what Christians are doing across the country to reclaim the faith from both apathy and the dark years of the Christian right era.  On Friday morning we walked through downtown Indianapolis and met  with <a href="http://www.indyfringe.org/">arts leaders</a>, <a href="http://talkingunion.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/indianapolis-janitors-win-historic-first-ever-citywide-contract/">janitors</a>, and <a href="http://www.hotelworkersrising.org/">hotel workers</a>, and got some context for how <a href="http://www.lockerbiecentral.org">Lockerbie Central UMC </a>developed and is developing its missional focus.   We spent Friday afternoon thinking about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methodist_Circuit">Methodist history</a> and the current story of the United Methodist Church, especially the history of class and society meetings and their relationship to congregations.  </p>
<p>On Friday night some of us went to nearby <a href="http://www.englewoodcc.com/">Englewood Christian Church </a>and saw <a href="http://www.thesimpleway.org/shane/">Shane Claiborne </a>speak as part of another conference going on that week, <a href="http://www.englewoodcc.com/consumingfire/">Through the Consuming Fire</a>.</p>
<p>So, where do we go from here? </p>
<p>A week out, that Saturday- morning seems like a blur.  I am sure I am leaving some things out.  </p>
<p>First off, we talked about our experience Friday night watching Shane Claiborne speak.  I showed up late Friday night  and just in time to hear Shane speak. For those who haven&#8217;t seen Shane speak before, the guy is a rock star.  When he spoke at our church, we had nearly as 1,000 people show up&#8211;the biggest crowd we probably have ever had in the 125 year history of the church. </p>
<p>I know our group wa s a bit annoyed because the music prior to Shane went on and on and on and on.  And on. It went so long that the scheduled Q and A session had to be cancelled.  The thing that stuck out to me though was the power of Shane&#8217;s story&#8211;even though I had already read his books and have seen him speak before.   Here, a small group of people dedicated themselves to living out the Gospels and they launched a movement.  Nine people living together in community and in friendship and solidarity with the broader community.  That&#8217;s it.  And they are changing the world through their witness, activism, and Christian discipline.  Last year, <a href="http://mercyrising.blogspot.com/2008/04/shane-claiborne-speaks-in-indy.html">UMC youth in Carmel, IN&#8211;the wealthiest city in the state were so moved by Shane&#8217;s Irresistable Revolution that they begged the church&#8217;s leadership to invite Shane to lead worship on a Sunday morning.  (He accepted their invite.) </a></p>
<p>Still, I feel that for some of us Methodists, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Irresistible-Revolution-Living-Ordinary-Radical/dp/0310266300">Shane&#8217;s  Irresistable Revolution</a> gets lost in translation. It might be called the Impossible Revolution for us United Methodists.  But for me, that was the great hope of EmergingUMC2.  In our own ways, given our deep traditions, we <a href="http://www.umc.org/site/c.lwL4KnN1LtH/b.1353935/k.4713/Our_mission_is_to_make_disciples_of_Jesus_Christ_for_the_transformation_of_the_world.htm">United Methodists </a>could begin to restore missional Methodism. </p>
<p>As the conference concluded and before our final worship gathering together, we broke up into small groups to talk about how we might begin to work together.  I talked with two UMC clergy from central Indiana.  It was exciting  to begin to dream about how local congregations and individual Methodists could work together in real ways. </p>
<p>We finished up with a powerful  worship service that sent us back into our communities  hopefully ready to restore missional methodism.</p>
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<link>http://nonaeroterraqueous.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/postmodern-madness/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Within the physical universe is another, lesser reality, called the mind.  That&#8217;s where we actually live.  The mind is even less absolute than the physical world, capable of spontaneous change, inconsistency and a certain degree of incongruity.  Yet, when we experience the physical universe, we do so indirectly, through reconstruction within our brains.  If any of the processes between the actual sensation and the final experience goes awry, then we do not experience the physical universe accurately.  Nerve damage or brain damage disrupt the transfer of information, and what we see no longer resembles reality.  We do not really have a complete grasp on the physical world.  What we really hold, completely, is the image in our minds.  What we experience is all that the universe of the mind contains.  Nothing can exist within the mind except that we are aware of it.  Similarly, nothing can exist within the physical world, except that God is aware of it.  Hence, God is omniscient.</p>
<p>The physical world is not a piece of God.  Nor is the mind a piece of the physical world.  The physical world is corrupt, but that doesn&#8217;t make God corrupt.  Similarly, anything can happen in the mind, but it does not escape the mind and infiltrate the physical world.  In fact, nothing in the physical world explains the mind.  Cognitive processes might be explained in physical terms, but not the mind, itself.  A computer thinks, but it does not have a mind.  The mind is as much its own universe as the one we live in, but in a lower fashion.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;ve said all of this before, but there&#8217;s something more to consider.  Before the industrial revolution, humans were grossly subject to the whims of nature.  We had not developed technologically enough to conquer our world.  In that era, through most of our history, we looked to God for the answers to our problems.  That meant that we looked outside of our minds, through and beyond the physical world to God for truth.  With increasing understanding, we became confident in our own power and began to look no further than the physical world for answers.  This was the advent of modernism.  This was also the birth of naturalism, the belief that all things could be explained through the physical universe alone, with no need of God.  We had conquered the world, and we became our own gods.  Technology was the answer for everything that ailed us.</p>
<p>When we sought understanding from God, we attempted to live our lives and order our world in his likeness.  That is, we strove to be godly.  It is no different than the mind attempting to resemble the physical world.  If the lesser world fails to resemble the greater one, then it becomes detached, and its survival becomes imperiled in the one that gets rejected.  If a man goes insane, he no longer sees the world as it is.  Functionally, he imperils himself in the physical world, because he is not firmly grounded in it.  The same is true for our relationship with God.  If we reject God and the supernatural, then we become imperiled in the supernatural.  That is to say that we risk death, spiritually.  For those who still don&#8217;t get it, that means Hell.</p>
<p>Modernism was madness.  We might think that what followed, the rejection of modernism, would be the cure to this problem, but it wasn&#8217;t.  Rejection of a lie is not necessarily the embracing of truth.  Postmodernism was a flight in the opposite direction from God.  Today&#8217;s movement is to seek truth no further than the mind.  Postmodernists don&#8217;t even look to the physical world for answers.  For them, there is no absolute truth, because the world that they draw truth from is a world lacking in absolutes.  The mind is not subject to such things.  You have your own truth, and I have mine.  The idea of God is not even on the table.  They&#8217;re two steps removed from the truth of God.  They worship whatever their mind creates.</p>
<p>Pre-modernists prayed for rain.  Modernists attempted to make rain.  Postmodernists criticized the modernists for causing climate change.  Where the modernists attempted to improve life through their own hands, postmodernists attempt to improve life by undoing everything that the modernists did.</p>
<p>Pre-modernists believed in the immortal human soul, absolutes and God.  Modernists believed that nothing would last forever, and there was no God, but at least there were absolutes.  Postmodernists believe in no God, no absolutes and nothing eternal, but they play with fantasies in their own heads.</p>
<p>Pre-modernists used the physical world to understand God beyond it.  They worshiped him physically, and they prayed aloud.  Modernists used their minds to understand the physical world.  Postmodernists are primarily concerned with finding themselves.</p>
<p>Now, this postmodern revolution is a religious one, also.  Modernists sought out the &#8220;God particle,&#8221; reducing God to physical circumstances.  However, postmodernists are a little peculiar, in that they can be just about anything that they want to be at any time.  One could easily attend church one hour and a Buddhist temple the next.  Some of them do exactly that.  Their belief system is not absolute, because the universe of the mind is not absolute.  In Christianity, we know them as the Emergent Church.  In reality, they have even less of a grasp on God than a materialist, who at least recognizes the value of the world that God created.  Had they at least grasped the physical world, they would have held to some concept of an absolute.  In truth, the Emergent church is less of a  Christian than a Darwinist.  They are even further from God.</p>
<p>Now, consider what I said before about sanity.  When a man&#8217;s mind ceases to relate intelligibly to the world around him, he is considered insane.  When we, with our lives, ceased to relate meaningfully to the God beyond this world, we took the first step toward our own insane demise.  Postmodernism was the second step, detaching us even from the physical world.  Society is gradually slipping into a state of insanity.  Perhaps this is irreversible.  Perhaps this is the end.  The real travesty is that the Church, which was meant to be the salt and the light of the world, has developed its own form of postmodernism, the Emergent movement.  The real blasted shame is that our own fellow &#8220;Christians&#8221; have betrayed us and the world to this madness.  They were supposed to be there with us to help stem the tide of this sickness, but they have stabbed us in the back.  The Emergent Church has chosen the same fate as the world.</p>
<p>Therefore, they are also condemned to a world separated from God, a place where he never goes.</p>
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<link>http://truthinator.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/comparison-rick-warren-vs-truth/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[ Deception Driven Church? You decide&#8230;   Stuart L. Brogden compiled this comparison between wha]]></description>
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<div>Stuart L. Brogden compiled this comparison between what Relevant Rick teaches in <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Purpose Driven Church</span> and what the Bible teaches.</div>
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<p>All the work of all men contains error.  That I perceive error in Rick Warren’s work is not note worthy.  But the repeated patterns of false teaching over 20 or more years and 25 million or so books combine for something to take notice of.  This book proclaims an Armenian, man-centered view of the world and its Creator, claiming all the while to be a Biblically sound God-centered work.  I think it is actually Biblically bankrupt, gilded with the false gospel of pragmatism.  As subtle and dangerous as the serpent in the garden, Warren calls us to believe a lie.</p>
<p>Curious – Many people have criticized Rick Warren by calling him a disciple or associate of Robert Schuller.  Warren has denied in this in myriad letters and articles, wanting to put distance between himself and the father of “possibility thinking”.  So why does Warren include Schuller’s effusive endorsement of this book (on the third page of the endorsements in the front of the book)?  And why does so much of Warren’s instruction sound so much like Schuller (see quotes at the end of this review)?</p>
<p>“The Purpose Driven Church” (PDC) is a humanistic, psychological view of how to handle a church, sprinkled with scripture in whichever translation or version can most easily be used to allegedly support Warren’s claims.  Whereas “The Purpose Driven Life” started out with a truth and spent itself in contradiction, so does PDC – claiming rightfully (page 14) “Only God makes the church grow” – and spending nearly 400 pages telling man how to manipulate people into something that only looks like church growth.</p>
<p>The foreward is a sugary sweet, sappy tribute from a once credible W.A. Criswell.  In his opening statement, Criswell declares that “God could not have a given me a more beloved and effective ‘son in the ministry’ than Rick Warren.”  You know a man is wrong when he limits God or assigns human characteristics to Him.  Criswell claims Saddleback “has grown <em>without compromising the mission or the doctrine</em> of a New Testament church.”  (Italics in the original.)  We shall see.  Criswell parrots the Schuller/Warren principal – “If churches are to be successful in evangelizing our society, which is becoming more pagan by the day, they must learn to think like an unbeliever.”  (Sic)  Right there, Criswell shows that he has lost sight of the New Testament church.</p>
<p>In what appears to be the introduction, Warren tells us the church must “look for the spiritual waves” of church growth, saying “because our churches haven’t been taught the needed skills, we are missing the spiritual waves that could bring revival, health, and explosive growth to our churches.”  Evidently, Warren’s Bible is not adequate instruction to the church or its members on the topic of spiritual outreach and discipleship.  He shows us right off that he is focused on “growth”.  And in this introduction, as well as throughout the book, Warren pays lip service to God while heralding and teaching humanistic methods.</p>
<p>It appears, even in the introduction, that Warren has slipped into an Armenian worldview, saying churches need to ask, “What barriers are blocking the waves God wants to send our way?”  (pages 15 &#38; 16)  Poor, God Almighty – needs the church to move barriers out of the way.  Warren tells us (page 17) “the key issue for churches in the twenty-first century will be church <em>health</em>, not church growth.”  He then goes on to tell us, same page, that he’s “been a student of growing churches” for over twenty years. </p>
<p>On page 18, Warren rightly lauds the Bible, and then declares, “My greatest source of learning, however has been watching what God has done in the church I pastor.”  This pragmatic view – study men and how to motivate them &#8211; pervades this whole book, and everything of Warren that I’ve read.</p>
<p>In Part One, page 26 &#38; 27, Warren reciprocates Criswell’s sappy sweet foreword, quoting a Criswell prayer/prophecy of church growth for Warren, convinced that God had called him to pastor a church – sounding much like a mutual admiration society.  Warren admonishes us (page 27) to not “copy things we did without considering the context”, but to look at the “transferable principles”.  We will see what these “transferable principles” are shortly. </p>
<p>Still on page 27, Warren states, “Very little of Saddleback’s ministry was preplanned.”  Remember this claim.  He then devotes the balance of chapter 1 describing all the planning that went into the “planting” of Saddleback.  His research led Warren to conclude that the pastor is the key figure in the health and growth of the church, describing the pastor as the “daddy” of the church!  Any church that has this view of its pastor has already failed. </p>
<p>In spite of telling us that only God grows the church, Warren’s research drew him to the fastest growing population center in the country, a fact that “grabbed me by the throat and made my heart start racing.”  Lots of people moving into an area typified by upper middle class Americans certainly set a solid stage for numerical growth – a very pragmatic view. </p>
<p>On page 38, Warren recommends a list of preachers he heard on the radio.  While several on Warren’s list are sound pastors, he recommends to his reader Robert Schuller and John Wimber as well.  No disciple of Christ should recommend these false teachers to anyone, much less the wide and long term audience of a book. </p>
<p>And on the next page, Warren says that, with Saddleback, he ”determined to <em>begin</em> with unbelievers, rather than a core of committed Christians.”  Consider this statement carefully.  In the first case, the church is comprised of believers, not those who don’t believe.  By purposefully refusing to build his church surrounded by mature saints, there was nobody to hold Warren accountable as a preacher.  Who in this group of lost folks that he gathered could understand anything spiritual?  The Bible tells us those who are lost cannot discern spiritual matters.  A “pastor” with only lost people in his “church” is no pastor.  What Warren started was an evangelistic outreach to middle class lost Americans – not a church.  Near the end of this page Warren tells us he spent <em>12 weeks</em> studying lost folks in order to know what his “church” should be like.  “No planning” went into the founding of Saddleback, he told us.  Studying heathens, rather than scripture, was how he planned Saddleback.  Apparently without any elders or other biblical safeguards, he was swept away by one of the “spiritual waves” he was surfing for.</p>
<p>Page 44 – “pastor” Warren excitedly recounts how Saddleback “caught a wave”, when over 200 heathens showed up to the service designed with them in mind.  While many churches have operated in temporary settings, Warren touts Saddleback’s “homeless” years as if they were a special virtue.  Thankfully, he recounts a proper understanding of the Great Commission (page 46), yet he leaves this reader wondering how many of his “seekers” make it around the “bases” to becoming a “servant-hearted Christian.” </p>
<p>Starting on page 47, Warren uses “conventional wisdom” to create several straw-man myths to knock down.</p>
<ul>
<li>“Myth #1: The Only Thing That Large Churches Care About Is Attendance.”  While many have rightfully pointed out the tendency of many large churches to focus too much attention on attendance, I have never heard of any rational person saying it’s the <em>only</em> thing.  Warren’s own words, with the series of “if” statements leave out the essential bit of the Gospel, wherein the lost are confronted with their sin and the attendant need of a Savior.  He “validates” his Gospel-lite by observing, “it’s happening all over the world.”  On page 49 we are told that “Intentionally setting up a strategy and a structure to force ourselves to give equal attention to each purpose is what being a purpose-driven church is all about.”  None of Warren’s 5 listed purposes (page 49) convey the Gospel of Jesus Christ.</li>
<li>Myths 2, 3, &#38; 4: Once again, Warren touts all-or-nothing myths that are, in truth, common failings among many churches.  In talking about purpose #4, Warren discloses that his view of church discipline consists of dropping from membership those rogues who fail to fulfill the membership covenant.  I don’t think that’s what the Lord tells us in Matthew 18.</li>
<li>“Myth #5: If You Are Dedicated Enough, Your Church Will Grow.”  Any pastor who believes this “myth” has lost sight of Who builds the church.  To counter “good, godly pastors” who are dedicated yet have churches that are not growing, Warren provides a prescription that follows the same rabbit trail as his “myth” – relying on human effort.</li>
<li>“Myth #7: All God Expects of Us Is Faithfulness” In the short list that follows, Warren tells us we must also bear fruit (true) and makes it sound as if we can make ourselves be fruitful.  Bearing spiritual fruit is the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of saints, not a trait the person can develop.</li>
</ul>
<p>Let me take a break and say that I think pages 64, 65, 68 – 79, and 393 &#38; 394 are sound teaching.  Not all in this book is worthless or dangerous, but even these passages are mere “spiritual cotton candy”.</p>
<p>On page 77, Warren uses metaphorical, non-Biblical definitions to build a case for churches being driven.  In Scripture, the word drive and derivatives are used in conjunction with people being punished.  Those being treated kindly by God are led, as sheep, not driven.  Context is key to proper interpretation, and Warren strips a word out of its Biblical context and uses its tertiary meaning to lay the foundation for his whole trademarked “driven” model, pulling people away from the Biblical view of how God leads His children.</p>
<p>Near the bottom of page 79, Warren gives a welcome warning to not “allow seekers to drive the total agenda of the church.” – but I must confess that this book, as a whole, leads me to believe Warren allows “seekers” to drive entirely too much of his church’s agenda. </p>
<p>After listing, on pages 77 – 79, seven things that should not drive churches (tradition, personality, finances, programs, buildings, events, and seekers), he reveals, on page 80, “What is needed today are churches that are driven by purpose instead of by other forces.”  And, “You must begin to look at everything your church does through the lens of five New Testament purposes”.  Warren’s 5 purposes are culled from scripture, but, again, churches and saints are to be led by the Spirit of God – not driven by anything.  And his 5 purposes are not “the lens” of the Word.</p>
<p>On pages 86 &#38; 87, Warren uses different Bible paraphrases to ensure the word “purpose” is used.  On page 91, he tells us that the church in Philippi was “captivated by Paul’s mission” (Philippians 4:15); whereas Paul makes it clear that he preached Christ crucified and resurrected – people were captivated by Christ and led by His Spirit, not Paul’s “mission”.</p>
<p>On page 93, we are pointed to scripture for the correct question, but led to Warren’s self-proclaimed mentor, heathen business guru Peter Drucker, for the diagnostic standard: “Your church’s purpose statement must become the standard by which you measure your congregation’s health and growth.”  Oops.  I thought the Bible and the Holy Spirit give us everything needed to live a righteous life in Christ Jesus (2 Peter 2:1 – 3)</p>
<p>Page 95: Warren tells about a church that he claims was “theologically sound” and “sound asleep”.  He says, “the church leaders had become lazy and lethargic.”  That does not sound like a “theologically sound” church to me.  It appears to be labeled as such to create a straw man to be knocked down by Warren.</p>
<p>On the next page, Warren tells us, “Prior to starting Saddleback Church I took six months to do an extensive, personal Bible study on the church”.  Remember page 27 – not much planning went into Saddleback?  As part of Warren’s Bible study on the church, about a third of his listed scripture passages are from the four Gospel accounts – they describe Christ’s life, but not the church.  Remember – most of the life of Christ took place <em>before</em> the New Testament church was founded.</p>
<p>In Part Two, Warren describes “the 5 purposes for the church” – Biblically sound purposes but not completely sound in his exposition on them.  “Purpose #3: Go and make disciples.  This purpose we call <em>evangelism</em>.”  One must indeed evangelize (preach the Gospel to) lost folks before they can be discipled, but the focus of this aspect of the Great Commission is on the making of disciples – not evangelism.  Seeker sensitive churches are widely critiqued as being ineffective in discipleship – this error may explain that, in part.</p>
<p>In describing Saddleback’s purpose statement, Warren notes “three important distinctives”, the first of which is, “it is stated <em>in terms of results</em> rather than in terms of activity.”  This is a common failing of man – trying to control the results of his activities; pragmatism defined.  (From John MacArthur: “What is pragmatism?  Basically it is the philosophy that results determine meaning, truth, and value–what will work becomes a more important question than what is true.  As Christians, we are called to trust what the Lord says, preach that message to others, and leave the results to Him. But many have set that aside.  Seeking relevancy and success, they have welcomed the pragmatic approach and have received the proverbial Trojan horse.”)  Throughout His Word, God calls His people to obedience – not to results.  Often, the results He brings about are not what man expects or would seek.  I believe the Biblical pattern is to remind us that our efforts have no merit before God – only the work of Jesus does. </p>
<p>On page 109, Warren sums up his argument for your church to adopt his purpose-driven model by saying, “To do less <em>is to leave to chance</em> the great responsibility we’ve given by our Lord Jesus Christ.”  (emphasis mine)  This is another glimpse into what appears to be Warren’s Armenian view of God.  And if recommending Schuller and Wimber are not enough, Warren touts David (or Paul) Yonggi Cho’s occult Central Church in Seoul, Korea.  This man has written &#8220;You can create the presence of Jesus with your mouth.  He is bound by your lips and by your words.&#8221;  He and Schuller are fans of one another and disciples of the risen Lord Jesus should view neither of them credibly.</p>
<p>In chapter 6, Warren teaches pastors how to communicate their purposes.  He reviews the narrative of Nehemiah’s rebuilding of the wall around Jerusalem and discovers what he calls, “the Nehemiah principle”.  Since the Jews working on the wall grew discouraged after 26 days of work, Warren projects that onto every church and declares, “<em>Vision and purpose must be restated every twenty-six days to keep the church moving in the right direction.</em>”  Certainly, a degree of repetition is a hallmark of effective communication.  But the larger issue is that of deriving a key principle from a narrative contained in scripture.  This is a dangerous practice, the best example I can think of being Bruce Wilkerson’s subtly deceptive book, “The Prayer of Jabez”.</p>
<p>On pages 113 and 114, Warren encourages good personal management techniques – once again showing how to create “good results” by manipulating people and calling it God’s work.  “People tend to do whatever gets rewarded, so make heroes of people in your church when they do the work of the church.”  God tells us not to seek the applause or rewards of men, but to trust God who is faithful to reward those walk by faith, not by sight.  Biblical leadership often flies in the face of accepted “good personal management techniques.”</p>
<p>Warren stays on track into chapter 7, opening with a story about George Whitfield and John Wesley.  Whitfield preached 18,000 sermons to 100,000 people but left no organization behind, whereas Wesley left us the Methodist denomination – as if what we can see today determines the value of the work these men did.  And as far as I can tell, the Lord Jesus did not leave us much of an organization – what would Warren say about His legacy?  Further in this chapter, pages 126 &#38; 127, Warren recommends false teachers among others who are Biblically sound.  Check out the teachings of Dallas Willard, Richard Foster, and Peter Wagner – men who think themselves modern prophets and apostles of the church. </p>
<p>In discussing Saddleback’s “5 Circles of Community”, pages 131 and following, Warren tells us he focuses evangelism efforts on those who have already attended his church.  He is either derelict in failing to send witnesses out into the lost world or admitting his “church” is fairly well full of lost folks.  He admits that a heathen cannot worship God, but is “convinced that genuine worship is a powerful witness to unbelievers if it is done in a style that makes sense to them.”  Genuine worship is a spiritual act and impossible for a lost person to comprehend.  But note that Warren emphasizes the <em>style</em> of worship, as if the emotional connection with the music can save anyone.  And this from a man who adamantly maintains style and methods don’t matter in justifying his use of all sorts of culturally relevant music and drama.  He goes on to say, “If an unbeliever makes a commitment to regular attendance at Saddleback, I believe it will be just a matter of time until he accepts Christ.”  With Warren’s declared determination to avoid preaching the law or anything that would convict a lost person of his sin, one wonders what in Saddleback would cause anyone to be saved.  Time hanging with supposed saints won’t save anyone unless the Gospel is preached – which does not appear to happen at Saddleback.</p>
<p>On page 133, Warren describes Saddleback’s membership covenant, which requires “a commitment to three spiritual habits: (1) having a daily quiet time, (2) tithing ten percent of their income (Nowhere in scripture are Christian instructed – even implicitly – to tithe, but give as the Spirit of God leads and not under compulsion. &#8211; 2 Corinthians 9:6 &#38; 7), and (3) being active in a small group.”  This sounds like the chains of legalism – whereas the Bible tells Saints to be led by the Spirit in such matters.  He sets up this disclosure by describing people who are “dedicated to growing in discipleship” … “but they have not yet gotten involved in ministry.”  This is a contradiction in terms, indicating that pastor Rick has a non-Biblical definition of discipleship. </p>
<p>Warren says, “Jesus started where people were – at their level of commitment – but he never left them there.”  I do not see this when I read the Bible: lost folks have NO commitment to Christ.  He says Jesus “didn’t lay any heavy requirement” on John and Andrew, but every Jewish boy <em>knew</em> the total commitment required when a Rabbi bid one, “come”.  Further on page 135, Warren claims that Christ did not issue “his ultimate challenge to the crowd” until these people had hung around Him for three years and saw the ways in which He loved them.  “Jesus was able to ask for that kind of commitment only after demonstrating his love for them and earning their trust.”  Unlike sinful man, Jesus the Christ does not need to <em>earn</em> anything before He speaks Truth to anyone.  Warren puts too much emphasis on the lost person rather than on the Gospel. </p>
<p>In chapter 8, Warren tells us “There are ten areas you must consider as you begin to reshape your church into a purpose-driven church.”  Where in Scripture are pastors advised to “reshape” the churches they shepherd?  He says he cautions other churches to <em>not</em> clone Saddleback, yet lists 10 mandatory “principles”, 5 purposes, and his own “circles of influence” that these churches must embrace.  “Notice that I suggest you grow your church from the outside in, rather than from the inside out.”  Read the book of Acts – the church was made up of saints and disciples who were sent out into the cities, the reverse of what Pastor Rick suggests.  “The problem I have found with an ‘inside-out’ approach is that by the time the church planter has ‘discipled’ his core, they have often lost contact with the community and are actually afraid of interacting with the unchurched.”  This is another indication that Pastor Rick knows very little of Biblical discipleship, but at least gives credit for this backwards idea where it is due – false apostle C. Peter Wagner!</p>
<p>On page 139, we find out that the first year of Saddleback, when ostensibly everyone was lost except (?) Pastor Rick, he “preached very simple, straightforward evangelistic series such as ‘Good News About Common Problems’ and ‘God’s Plan for Your Life.’”  There are pop-psychology messages with a Bible flavor – not evangelistic, or Gospel, presentations.  How can he say that “most of them (the 200 attenders) were brand new believers.” considering his messages?  God’s Word shows the error of this approach: “<em>Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man&#8217;s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.  <strong>But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.</strong></em>”  1 Corinthians 2:12 – 14</p>
<p>In a highlight box on page 156, we are admonished, “Never criticize any method that God is blessing!”  Yet all the criteria Warren urges us to use are that which the eye can see, and ignores the Biblical command to “<em>test all things, hold on to that which is good</em>” (1 Thessalonians 5:21), with “good” being in accordance with God’s view.  On page 157 we are urged to use market research to determine “when, where, and how” evangelism should be pursued and on page 158 tells us a church “driven by market forces rather than the Word of God” will be “unstable and unbiblical.”  One page is wrong, one is right. </p>
<p>Page 160, Warren continues in his study of man as first priority: “I must pay as much attention to the geography, customs, culture, and religious background of my community as I do to those who live in Bible times if I am to faithfully communicate God’s Word.”  The Word of God cannot be understood or communicated unless one seeks to know the literal, grammatical, and historical context of the text.  Nobody in scripture paid that much attention to the spiritually dead people they encountered.  They proclaimed the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus and commended men to believe on Him!</p>
<p>Pastor Rick advises us to tailor the presentation based on the worldly concerns our “crowd” is perceived as having – resulting in a false gospel that might as well be delivered by Joel Osteen.  By telling lost folks how God can make their marriage better, we teach people to look to the Lord for temporal rewards that satisfy our flesh.  But in truth, lost people need to know they are dead in sin, convicted by the Law, so they might realize their deepest need and cry out to the Lamb of God for mercy.  If “god” makes their life more comfortable and they are not confronted with their rebellion against the Holy Creator God, we have made their path to hell all the more pleasant – heaping judgment on ourselves (James 3:1).</p>
<p>Opening up chapter 10, page 173, Warren declares, “Even a casual reading of the New Testament will show that the Gospel spread primarily through relationships.”  Relationships are important, but the Gospel was and is spread through the <em>preaching</em> of it – mostly to people the preacher knows only superficially.  In the next page, we are told, “The people your church is most likely to reach are those who match the existing culture of your church.”  This is true if you do not make disciples and send them out into the world to proclaim the Gospel to all tongues and nations.  The church is not intended to be a reflection of the culture – it is, by definition, counter culture and intended to make a difference in the world.  Warren’s advice is for the church to be conformed to patterns of the world, contrary to Romans 12:1 – 2.</p>
<p>Pastor Rick reinforces this un-Biblical nonsense on pages 188 – 189, where we are told to think like lost people.  This is Warren’s interpretation of the scriptural mandate to “understand the times”?  He shows a shallow view of the Lord: “Jesus <em>often</em> knew what unbelievers were thinking.  He was effective in dealing with people because he understood and was able to defuse the mental barriers they held.”  (emphasis mine)  We are to believe that Jesus sometimes did not know what people were thinking – a limited God.  Warren tells us Christ relied on popular psychological theory in order to effectively deal with His creatures.  And we are once again told, “We must learn to think like unbelievers in order to win them. … “The problem is, the longer you are a believer, the less you think like an unbeliever.”  The Bible tell us the old man is dead – we have been re-born as children of God and are now “a peculiar people”; that we are to be salt and light; that lost folk love darkness because their deeds are dark; and that we are not to hide our light under a bushel.  Pastor Rick thinks the church exists to be valued by pagans!  Paul gives a different prescription in 2 Corinthians 4:3 – 6: “<em>But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus&#8217; sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.</em>”</p>
<p>You can read many objections from Rick Warren anytime someone publicly associates him with Robert Schuller.  But again, on page 190, Warren shows us how big an impact Schuller had on him.  It should not be a surprise that so many of Schuller’s people pleasing ways are embraced and endorsed by Warren.  Near the bottom of Page 191, this pearl: “The unchurched aren’t asking for watered-down messages, just practical ones.  They want to hear something on Sunday that they can apply on Monday.”  Warren’s idea of church is to help lost folks have a better life, according to the world’s standard.  The Creator’s idea of church is for the saints to come together for worship, discipleship, fellowship, and be sent into the world proclaiming the life, death, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus.  And yes, we welcome lost people into the church – we simply don’t expect them to be comfortable there.  They should be confronted with the Word of God and their sinful nature.</p>
<p>Warren’s own “tale of success” in the early days of Saddleback tells the sad truth in what is left unsaid.  He defined Saddleback as “a church for the unchurched”, and he attracted many of them, summing up with, “You have to decide who you want to impress.”  Warren wants to impress lost folk – his charge, however, is to honor God.  On page 195: “This is the heart of Saddleback’s evangelism strategy: We must be willing to catch fish on their own terms.”  Fish don’t want to be caught!  And lost men do not seek after God.  His Word doesn’t tell us to be on the same wavelength as lost men, He tells us to be fishers <em>of</em> men – different from them, with a mission they cannot understand.  Warren tells us (page 197) that he has determined that Jesus had no “standard approach” in evangelism.  He is talking about “style points”, not content or motive.  I am convinced that a careful reading of the New Testament shows that Jesus did have a “standard approach.  Evangelist Ray Comfort sums it up thusly – “With the Law we break the proud heart; with the gospel we heal the broken heart.”  And, “If we care about the lost, we will not hesitate to speak to them about sin, righteousness, and judgment … the way Jesus did.”  In Mark 10:17 – 22, the Lord used the law to expose the rich man as idolater, in John 5:45 – 47, Jesus confronts the Jews with the accusation of the Law of Moses.  In John 4:4 – 26 the Lord seeks out the woman at the well and uses the law to gently confront her with her sin – violating the 7<sup>th</sup> commandment.</p>
<p>On page 219, Pastor Rick says, “Jesus often established a beachhead for evangelism in a person’s life by meeting a felt need.”  And he cites not one example &#8211; because there are none.  Dr. Luke records this encounter with the “crowd”: “<em>And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them<strong>, If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.</strong>  And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.</em>”  (Luke 14:25 – 27)  The Apostle John recorded this encounter (John 6:24 – 27):  “<em>When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.  And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?  Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, <strong>Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.</strong>  Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.</em>”  And in verses 52 – 61: ”<em>The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.  Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.  As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.  This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.  These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.  Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?  <strong>When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?</strong></em><strong>” </strong> Culminating in verses 65 &#38; 66: “<em>And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. <strong> From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.</strong></em>”</p>
<p>Jesus doesn’t sound like Rick Warren.  To Whom shall we listen?</p>
<p>Ever the pragmatist, Warren tells us (page 224) that a passage in Luke 4 is all about Jesus “meeting needs and healing hurts.”  Jesus used that well known passage from Isaiah to establish His claim as Messiah, not “meet needs or heal hurts”.  On page 230, he beats the same drum: “The unchurched are not asking that we change the message or even dilute it, only that we show its relevance. …  I’ve found that the unchurched in America are very interested in Bible doctrine when it is applied in practical and relevant ways to their lives.”  What I’ve observed is that lost folks – whether they be “churched” or “unchurched” – want their ears tickled.  They want to be told that God loves them and wants them to be healthy and wealthy – things that are “practical and relevant”.  This is why prosperity gospel pimps such as T.D. Jakes and Joel Osteen can fill up stadiums!  The Word of God tells us to preach the simple Truth and not work to earn the approval of men.  Lost folk do not need motivational messages on how to “live large with Jesus” – they need to repent and be saved.</p>
<p>Warren thinks (page 232) that the major purpose of Christ’s parables was to entertain folk and ensure they would remember His story.  But in Matthew 15, Mark 4, Mark 7, Luke 8, John 10 and other passages, His very own disciples failed to understand the parable and sought an explanation.  And while Pastor Rick cites Matthew 13:34, he did so as a proof-text, as verse 35 makes clear: He spoke in parables to fulfill scripture, not to satisfy the felt needs of unchurched Harry.  But if His purpose was as Warren claims, why did so many people need – and still need – an explanation of them?  To close this question, the Lord Himself gives us the answer in Matthew 13:10 – 13 (<strong><em>And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?  He answered and said unto them, Because</em></strong><em> <strong>it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. </strong> For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.  Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.</em>)  And Luke 8:9 – 10 (<em>And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?  And he said, <strong>Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand</strong>.</em>)</p>
<p>On page 241, “America’s Pastor” tells us “More people are won to Christ by <em>feeling God’s presence</em> than by all our apologetic arguments combined.”  This is a false argument: apologetics is not what wins people to Christ – the Gospel does that.  It is by preaching the Word of the Lord that people are saved – not by feeling anything.  He ascribes the salvation of the 3,000 people recorded in Acts 2 to their having felt God’s presence.  But the Bible makes it clear that the Spirit of God empowered Peter and it was the Word of God proclaimed by Peter that caused the response.  Read Acts 2:1 – 36 to see the set-up and the message of Christ crucified.  Then in verses 37 &#8211; 41: “<em>Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?  Then <strong>Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins</strong>, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.  And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.  <strong>Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.</strong></em>”</p>
<p>Do you perceive these people were saved by having “felt God’s presence” or by the Word of God piercing their sinful hearts?</p>
<p>Page 243, Warren joins countless seeker sensitive fans by misappropriating 1 Corinthians 14:23.  Paul’s main argument was not to restrict the use of tongues so lost people wouldn’t think them foolish – this is a final argument in Paul’s long, passionate discourse against the improper use of this spiritual gift.  His main point was to encourage the saints to speak in a known tongue so others in the church could understand them.  It’s almost “and by the way, don’t you see how a heathen who might wander in here could think you mad?”  It was not normative in the early church for lost people to fill up the meeting place.  The church was of and for believers.</p>
<p>On pages 244 and 245 Warren furthers his humanistic view that unchurched people ought to have their felt needs addressed from the pulpit.  He again tells us these unchurched “expect to hear the Bible when they come to church.”  How would such a person know what to expect from the Word of God?  Go back to 1 Corinthians 2:12 – 14.  Pastor Rick tells us “They are looking for solutions, not a scolding.”  The problem for Rick and other seeker sensitive pastors is that unless a lost person is confronted with his condition (being dead is sin) he will not see any value in the Lamb of God.  The Gospel is not a scolding – but neither is it offering solutions to life’s circumstantial problems.  Warren instructs, “Design one worship service to edify believers and another service to evangelize the unchurched friends brought by your members.”  He then describes how he has marginalized the Saints by devoting weekends at Saddleback to lost folks.  We can readily surmise that Saddleback is a church on Wednesday evenings, but not on Saturdays or Sundays.</p>
<p>In chapter 14 – Designing a Seeker-Sensitive Service, Warren once again relies on and recommends a false prophet to make his point – citing “Apostle” Peter Wagner on page 267:  “When you run out of space, you experience what Pete Wagner calls ‘sociological strangulation’.”  But many churches have experienced true fellowship and spiritual growth while struggling with the logistical constraints of what experts see as too little space.  My wife heard a pastor in such a situation say, “Some pastors think you need 200 square feet per person.  We have 200 people per square feet!”  And he was praising God – not complaining about being “sociologically strangled.”</p>
<p>On to chapter 16 – Preaching to the Unchurched, Pastor Rick says, “The common ground we have with unbelievers is not the Bible, but our common needs, hurts, and interests as human beings.”  This is fine guidance on how to start a fraternal organization, such as a Rotary Club – the Bible tells us that unbelievers’ greatest need is salvation.  That we saints share some of the same sinful “habits and hang-ups” as the “unchurched” can be an encouragement to the lost, as we teach them that <em>all</em> are unworthy apart from Christ.  Nowhere in this chapter does Pastor Rick advise the use of the law to convict people of their sin; he only wants the lost folk to know they are valuable and loved, etc.  They may well go to hell thinking this, having never been convicted of sin or saved by grace.  Good feelings save nobody.</p>
<p>On page 312, Warren poses a handful of questions that unchurched people want answered before they are willing to join the church:</p>
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<li>Does anybody want to know me?</li>
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<li>What is the advantage of joining?</li>
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<p>Rick shows us, once again, that his focus is on growing the “church” by answering the “felt needs” of the flesh – not following the Biblical mandate on how to lead a flock of believers.  He is building a social fraternity and calling it “church”.</p>
<p>In chapter 16 – Turning Members into Ministers, Warren mixes some solid Biblical instruction with a humanistic, Jungian psychological matrix appraisal of people – his five SHAPE factors.  A detailed comparison of Warren’s SHAPE to Jungian psychology and God’s Word can be found at the end of this review.</p>
<p>Page 384, Warren again confirms he sees man as more important than does our Creator: “The most critical factor in a new ministry isn’t the <em>idea</em>, but the <em>leadership</em>.”  Jesus, the most important human ever, said this about Himself vs. the message (or idea): “<em>When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that <strong>I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things</strong>.</em>  (John 8:28)”, “<em>but I have called you friends; for <strong>all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you</strong>.  Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you,</em> (John 15:15b – 16a).”  The Bible tells us the main thing is the message, not the messenger.</p>
<p>Lastly, page 395 – “Purpose-driven churches are led by purpose-driven leaders.”  Although I care nothing for Warren’s penchant for using “purpose-driven”, leave it aside.  Consider this – Churches are led by leaders.  Now consider the Words of the One Who “wrote the Book” on “how to do church”:  “<em>Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.</em></p>
<p><em>And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.”</em>  (2 Timothy 2:1 – 2)  And recall the Words of Jesus, above – He spoke and worked only what His Father told Him.  <strong>The only leadership is from God and the truly effective pastor will be purposeful and Spirit led.</strong></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Quotes from Schuller – or is it Rick Warren?</span></p>
<p>Rick Warren denies virtually every connection and influence with or of Robert Schuller.  But judge for yourself – read a few choice quotes from Schuller and see if Warren’s teaching doesn’t line up near perfectly.  Read more at <a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac23.htm">http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac23.htm</a></p>
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<p><strong>&#8220;Yes, here is a theology for church growth.  Here is a theology for success, for the secret of success is to find a need and fill it.  Truly, when the church reforms and refines all of its theological expressions around every person&#8217;s daily need for self-affirmation, it shall flourish &#8216;like trees planted by rivers of water.&#8217;&#8221;  (Robert Schuller, &#8220;Self-Esteem: the New Reformation,&#8221; page 175)</strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;People who have studied our work and read our materials have said that historically we are not like other churches.  Denominations and religions started with teaching a theology about God.  Whenever there was disagreement with each other about a certain detail, the result was to establish a new religion or branch thereof, so today there are many different denominations and lots of different religions.  When I started this ministry, I chose to focus on human need and said, </strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Let&#8217;s ask what a human being really is?  What does he need?&#8221;  And is there a God who can provide for those needs and what kind of God does he need?  So we started talking about the needs in humanity and we defined the single deepest need of the human being.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p><strong>(Robert Schuller, &#8220;Mirror or Window People: Which Are You?”  August 2, 2004)</strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Classical theology has erred in its insistence that theology be &#8216;God-centered,&#8217; not &#8216;man-centered&#8217;.&#8221;  (Robert Schuller, &#8220;Self-Esteem: the New Reformation,&#8221; page 64) </strong></p>
<p>&#8220;The classical error of historical Christianity is that we have never started with the value of the person.  Rather, we have started from the &#8216;unworthiness of the sinner,&#8217; and that starting point has set the stage for the glorification of human shame in Christian theology.&#8221;  (Robert Schuller, &#8220;Self-Esteem: the New Reformation,&#8221; page 162)</p>
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<p>CHARTING THE WARREN-JUNG CONNECTION</p>
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<h1>THEIR CONNECTION ON PERSONALITY THEORY</h1>
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<td width="32%" valign="top">“When you minister in a manner consistent with the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">personality</span> God gave you, you experience <span style="text-decoration:underline;">fulfillment</span>, satisfaction, and fruitfulness.” (The Purpose Driven Life, p. 246)“…when you are forced to minister in a manner that is “out of character” for your <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperament</span>, it creates tension and discomfort, requires extra effort and energy, and produces less than the best results. This is why mimicking someone else’s ministry never works. You don’t have <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">their</span></em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> personality</span>.” (PDL, p. 245)</td>
<td width="32%" valign="top">“…the ultimate aim and strongest desire of all mankind is to develop that <span style="text-decoration:underline;">fulness</span> (sic) of life which is called <span style="text-decoration:underline;">personality</span>… To the extent that a man is untrue to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">the law of his being</span> and does not rise to personality, he has failed to realize his <span style="text-decoration:underline;">life’s meaning</span>.” (The Development of Personality, Collected Works 17; from The Essential Jung, pg. 191, 207)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">There is absolutely no biblical precedent for this position. Personality typology has <em>never</em> been a criteria for God choosing someone for ministry, but is in great part grounded in Jungian psychology. Did Paul rely on personality assessment to guide his ministry? Hardly&#8230;</p>
<p>“God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised, God has chosen, the things that are not, that He might nullify the things that are, that no man should boast before God.” 1 Cor 1:27-29</p>
<p>“And He has said to me, ‘My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.’ Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ&#8217;s sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.” 2 Cor 12:9-10</td>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“You may be driven by a painful memory, a haunting fear, or an <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> belief.” (PDL, p. 27)“(Guilt-driven people) often <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconsciously</span> punish themselves by sabotaging their own success.” (PDL, pp. 27-28)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“The <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> . . . is the source of the instinctual forces of the psyche and of the forms or categories that regulate them, namely the archetypes.” (The Structure of the Psyche, CW 8, par. 342)“Constant observation pays the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> a tribute that more or less guarantees its cooperation. One of the most important tasks of psychic hygiene [is] to pay continual attention to the symptomatology of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> contents and processes.” (The Portable Jung, New York: Penguin Books, 1986, p. 156)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">The “unconscious” is the foundational concept of both Freudian and Jungian psychology, and has no biblical basis whatsoever. In fact, Scripture does not allow for the idea that people are “driven” by an “unconscious belief.” By endorsing the idea of the unconscious, Warren is promoting the Jungian belief that people must analyze the forces of the unconscious to discover their life’s purpose. According to Scripture, any driving force outside of God’s will is sin, no matter where it resides. Psychology, however, downplays our personal accountability for sin by making the “unconscious” the ultimate reservoir and bastion of unavoidable human instinct.</p>
<p>“And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: <span style="text-decoration:underline;">for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.</span>” Romans 14:23</td>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“If I asked how you picture life, what image<em> </em>would come to your mind? That <span style="text-decoration:underline;">image</span> is your <span style="text-decoration:underline;">life metaphor</span>. It’s the view of life that you hold, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">consciously or</span> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconsciously</span>, in your mind.” (PDL, pp. 41-42)“Your <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unspoken life metaphor</span> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">influences</span> your life more than you realize. It <span style="text-decoration:underline;">determines</span> your expectations, your values, your relationships, your goals, and your priorities.” (PDL, p. 42)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“An archetypal content expresses itself, first and foremost, in <span style="text-decoration:underline;">metaphors</span>.” (“The Psychology of the Child Archetype,” CW 9i, par. 267)Archetypes are not inborn ideas, but “typical forms of behaviour which, once they become <span style="text-decoration:underline;">conscious</span>, naturally present themselves as <span style="text-decoration:underline;">ideas</span> and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">images</span>, like everything else that becomes a content of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">consciousness</span>.” (Collected Works 8, par. 435)</p>
<p>“Indeed, the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">fate of the individual</span> is largely dependent on <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious factors</span>.” (“Conscious, Unconscious, and Individuation” CW 9)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">The analysis of “metaphors” housed in the unconscious is a trademark concept of psychology, not of Scripture. The use of images, fantasies, and dreams to better understand our “unconscious” is a signature feature of Jungian psychotherapy that borders on the occult.</td>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“God made <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverts</span></em> and <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">extroverts</span></em>… He made some people <em>‘<span style="text-decoration:underline;">thinkers</span>’ </em>and others <em>‘<span style="text-decoration:underline;">feelers</span>.’” </em>(PDL, p. 245)“Your personality will affect <em>how</em> and <em>where</em> you use your spiritual gifts and abilities. For instance, two people may have the same gift of evangelism, but if one is <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> and other is <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extroverted</span>, that gift will be expressed in different ways.” (PDL, p. 245)</p>
<p>“Ask yourself questions:… Am I more <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> or <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extroverted</span>? Am I more a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">thinker</span> or a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">feeler</span>?” (PDL, pp.251-252)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“Two types (of typical differences in human psychology) especially become clear to me; I have termed them the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> and the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extraverted</span> types.” (“Introduction” Psychological Types, CW 6 par. 1)“I have found from experience that the basic psychological functions, this is, functions which are genuinely as well as essentially different from other functions, prove to be <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">thinking</span>, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">feeling</span>, sensation</em>, and <em>intuition</em>. If one of these functions habitually predominates, a corresponding type results. I therefore distinguish a thinking, a feeling, a sensation, and an intuitive type. <em>Each of these types may moreover be either <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> or <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extraverted</span>…</em>” (“Introduction” Psychological Types, CW 6)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Warren is explicitly using the specific terminology of the psychological typology theory originally conceived by Carl Jung. Despite the claims of his supporters, Warren has clearly based his Personality Theory (the &#8220;P&#8221; in his SHAPE teaching) on the unbiblical foundation of Jungian psychology.“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” Colossians 2:8</p>
<p>“Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.” 1 Cor 2:12-13</td>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“The Bible gives us plenty of proof that God uses all types of personalities. Peter was a <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">sanguine</span></em>. Paul was a <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">choleric</span></em>. Jeremiah was a <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">melancholy</span></em>. When you look at the personality differences in the twelve disciples, it’s easy to see why they sometimes had interpersonal conflict.” (PDL, p. 245)“There is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperament</span><em> </em>for ministry.” (PDL, p. 245)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“…the physicians of ancient times…tried to reduce the bewildering diversity of mankind to orderly groups… The very names of the Galenic <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperaments</span> betray their origin in the pathology of the four “humours.” <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Melancholic</span></em> denotes a preponderance of black bile, <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">phlegmatic</span></em> a preponderance of phlegm or mucus, <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">sanguine</span></em> a preponderance of blood, and <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">choleric</span></em> a preponderance of choler, or yellow bile.” (“Psychological Typology” CW 6)“The whole make-up of the body, its constitution in the broadest sense, has in fact a very great deal to do with psychological <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperament</span>…” (“Psychological Typology” CW 6)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Despite Warren’s claim, the Bible never gives “proof” of the classification of personalities; it is a purely pagan concoction. The four temperaments, as conceived by Hippocrates and later developed by Galen, was a prevalent Greek philosophy during the time of Paul’s apostolic ministry. Unlike Warren and Jung, however, Paul did not implement these Greeks ideas into his teachings. In fact, he categorically rejected them and “determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified” (I Cor 2:2).“O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:” I Timothy 6:20</p>
<p>Worse yet, Warren is teaching that a person’s “no right or wrong” personality is somehow unaffected by the fall and is always beneficial for ministry. How, we ask, does a “phlegmatic temperament” towards laziness and slothfulness serve God’s purpose in ministry?</td>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“Today there are many books and tools that can help you understand your personality so you can determine how to use it for God.” (PDL, p. 246)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">MBTI is “based on Jung’s theory of psychological types.” (Isabel Briggs Myers, Introduction to Type, Palo Alto, CA: Consulting Psychologists Press, 1983, p.4)“The (MBTI) Indicator was developed specifically to carry Carl Jung’s theory of type (Jung, 1921, 1971) into practical application.” (Dr. Gordon Lawrence, People Types &#38; Tiger Stripes, p. 6, also p. x)</p>
<p>“Carl Jung’s psychology lies behind&#8230;the MBTI.” (Robert Innes, Personality Indicators and The Spiritual Life, p.8)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Without qualifying this statement, Warren is promoting any and all Jungian personality and temperament tests and theories, including the widely-used Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI), the Kiersey Temperament Sorter (an offshoot of the MBTI), and the Enneagram Test, which has its origin in Sufism, a mystical offshoot of Islam. (Click <a href="http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/web/crj0146a.html" target="_blank">here</a> for more information on Enneagram).Despite the contrary advice offered by Warren, Christians must acknowledge the Bible as the only book needed to understand the human condition:</p>
<p>“For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” Hebrews 4:12</p>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“Every behavior is motivated by a belief, and every action is prompted by an attitude. God revealed this thousands of years <span style="text-decoration:underline;">before psychologists understood it</span>.” (PDL, p. 181)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“(Unconscious phenomena) manifest themselves in the individual’s behaviour… ” (“Conscious, Unconscious, and Individuation” CW 9)“Modern psychological development leads to a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">much better understanding</span> as to what man really consists of.” (“Psychology and Religion” CW 11)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Warren is suggesting here that psychologists have the same understanding as God on the issue of human behavior, thus putting man’s “wisdom” on equal footing with God’s revelation.If Warren truly believes in the preeminence of God’s revelation to understand man, then why does he rely so heavily on the “useless wisdom” of psychology instead of Scripture?</p>
<p>“For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, ‘He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS‘; and again, ‘THE LORD KNOWS THE REASONINGS of the wise, THAT THEY ARE USELESS.’” I Cor 3:19-20</td>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“The best use of your life is to serve God out of your shape. To do this you <span style="text-decoration:underline;">must discover your shape</span>, learn to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">accept</span> and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">enjoy</span> it, and then <span style="text-decoration:underline;">develop it</span> to its fullest potential.” (PDL, p. 249)The SHAPE program states: “To <span style="text-decoration:underline;">discover your S.H.A.P.E.</span> is to discover where God is calling you to do His work in the world.”</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“Only the man who can <span style="text-decoration:underline;">consciously assent to the power of the inner voice</span> becomes a personality.” (“The Development of Personality” CW 17)“The <span style="text-decoration:underline;">achievement of personality</span> means nothing less than the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">optimum development</span> of the whole individual human being.” (“The Development of Personality” CW 17)</p>
<p>“In so far as every individual has the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">law of his life</span> inborn in him, it is theoretically possible for any man to follow this law and to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">become a personality</span>, this is, to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">achieve wholeness</span>.” (“The Development of Personality” CW 17)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Finding your SHAPE has no biblical support. Warren’s teaching that one must “discover his shape” is philosophically and systematically akin to Jung’s teaching that a man must “consciously assent to the power of the inner voice” and be true to “the law of his being.”While Warren has rightly acknowledged God’s sovereign purpose in creating us, he has mistakenly made God’s divine purpose synonymous with our so-called “shape” by advocating the Jungian idea of developing the personality to “achieve wholeness.” This Jungian process, however, does not serve God, but serves the god within us.</p>
<p>Scripture calls for an active, heartfelt obedience to God’s will through the transforming power of the Spirit, not a misguided exploration of our natural psychological makeup to define our God-given purpose.</p>
<p>“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.” Proverbs 3:5-6</p>
<p>“…your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.” 1 Cor 2:5</td>
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<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
<guid>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/11/21/understanding-orthodoxy/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[For the past week or two, through out conversation about bridging the gap between emergents and trad]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><img class="aligncenter" title="Orthodoxy" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/orthodoxy/progressivetruth.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="251" /></p>
<p>For the past week or two, through out conversation about bridging the gap between emergents and traditionalists there has been a lot of talk of understanding orthodoxy. Orthodoxy is simply right belief. We are orthodox in the church if we believe the right things. The question of course is what are the right things and how do we determine them. Much of our conversation has revealed differing ideas of what is required to be orthodox and how it is determined. Well thankfully I just read one of the best blog posts I have ever encountered over at Parchment and Pent. <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/11/orthodoxy-theological-maturity-and-the-development-of-doctrine-from-theological-dna-to-maturaty/" target="_blank">Here is the link</a>.</p>
<p>The content of the post is on the way orthodoxy develops as our understanding of God&#8217;s revelation matures and how we naturally divide ourselves through our different sources of orthodoxy. Very timely post for our conversation.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[A biblical appraisal of the Mosaic Congress held at the Mosaic Church in Fairlands, Johannesburg (4 - 5 Sept. 2009) (Part 2)]]></title>
<link>http://1joh4.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/a-biblical-appraisal-of-the-mosaic-congress-held-at-the-mosaic-church-in-fairlands-johannesburg-4-5-sept-2009-part-2/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
<guid>http://1joh4.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/a-biblical-appraisal-of-the-mosaic-congress-held-at-the-mosaic-church-in-fairlands-johannesburg-4-5-sept-2009-part-2/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Session 1: Holy Longing – Dr. Johan Geyser Dr. Johan Geyser has a doctorate in theology and educatio]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[Session 1: Holy Longing – Dr. Johan Geyser Dr. Johan Geyser has a doctorate in theology and educatio]]></content:encoded>
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<title><![CDATA[Fighting for the Faith - No Christians Allowed??]]></title>
<link>http://narrowisthepath.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/fighting-for-the-faith-no-christians-allowed/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Reformed Joe</dc:creator>
<guid>http://narrowisthepath.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/fighting-for-the-faith-no-christians-allowed/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[For some time I&#8217;ve noticed a disturbing tend with some of these Purpose Driven and Emergent gu]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>For some time I&#8217;ve noticed a disturbing tend with some of these Purpose Driven and Emergent guys substituting the phrase Christ Follower in the place of Christian. Chris of Fighting of the Faith does excellent job picking part this methodology in the sermon review here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.piratechristianradio.com/" target="_blank"><img class="alignleft" src="http://www.piratechristianradio.com/images/PCRwidgetsmall.jpg" alt="Pirate Christian Radio" /></a></p>
<p>November 19, 2009</p>
<h2><a href="http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2009/11/no-christians-allowed.html" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0000ff;">No Christians Allowed??</span></a></h2>
<h2><a href="http://podcast.fightingforthefaith.com/fftf/F4F111909.mp3"><img title="Dowload" src="http://crosebrough.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/11/23/dowload.jpg" border="0" alt="Dowload" /></a></h2>
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<h3>• Seeker Driven Pastor Answers the Question, &#8220;Are Mormons Christians?&#8221;<br />
• Archbishop of Canterbury Claims Higher Taxes Would Be Good for Society<br />
• The Parable of the Talents is NOT About Time Management<br />
• Sermon Review, &#8220;No Christians Allowed&#8221; by Bill Maye of Brick City Community Church, Sanford, NC</h3>
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