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<title><![CDATA[Guardian's Albums of the Decade]]></title>
<link>http://musiccookiesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/guardians-albums-of-the-decade/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Yep, the Guardian (UK) also released their list of albums of the decade. Hmm, I might should start w]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Yep, the <strong>Guardian</strong> (UK) also released their list of albums of the decade. Hmm, I might should start working on mine too I think! Anyway, the whole top 50 can you view <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/nov/29/albums-of-the-decade" target="_blank">here</a>. I still think it&#8217;s unbelievable that artists such as Sufjan Stevens and Bon Iver(and a bit Franz Ferdinand) get beaten by someone like Lily Allen. Come on people! Anyway, their top 10:</p>
<p>10. Burial &#8211; Untrue<br />
9. Salif Keita &#8211; Moffou<br />
8. Jay-Z &#8211; The Black Album<br />
7. The White Stripes &#8211; Elephant<br />
6. Amy Winehouse &#8211; Back to Black<br />
5. Arcade Fire &#8211; Funeral<br />
4. The Strokes &#8211; Is This It<br />
3. Arctic Monkeys &#8211; Whatever People Say I Am, That&#8217;s What I&#8217;m Not<br />
2. Radiohead &#8211; Kid A<br />
1. The Streets &#8211; Original Pirate</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Leituras: C.S.Lewis]]></title>
<link>http://cadeiraovoltaire.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/leituras-c-s-lewis/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[No blog de livros do Guardian, Jerome de Groot escreve sobre C. S. Lewis. Para ler aqui.]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>No blog de livros do <em>Guardian</em>, Jerome de Groot escreve sobre C. S. Lewis. Para ler <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2009/nov/27/cs-lewis">aqui</a>.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Letter to James Randerson at the Guardian – Part 2]]></title>
<link>http://fishsnorkel.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/letter-to-james-randerson-at-the-guardian-%e2%80%93-part-2/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>fishsnorkel</dc:creator>
<guid>http://fishsnorkel.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/letter-to-james-randerson-at-the-guardian-%e2%80%93-part-2/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Amazingly, I got a reply (most people ignore me because I&#8217;m not famous): Thanks for your inter]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Letter to James Randerson at the Guardian - Part 1]]></title>
<link>http://fishsnorkel.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/letter-to-james-randerson-at-the-guardian-part-1/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>fishsnorkel</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[James Randerson wrote in article in the Guardian last Saturday claiming that a conservationist is ]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Uganda considers death sentence for gay sex in bill before parliament]]></title>
<link>http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/uganda-considers-death-sentence-for-gay-sex-in-bill-before-parliament/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Dawud</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Minimum penalty is life in jail, under anti-homosexuality bill From the Guardian newspaper As a gay ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><strong>Minimum penalty is life in jail, under anti-homosexuality bill</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/29/uganda-death-sentence-gay-sex">From the Guardian newspaper</a></p>
<p><a href="http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/uganda-homos.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-177" title="uganda homos" src="http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/uganda-homos.jpg?w=224" alt="" width="224" height="300" /></a>As a gay Ugandan, Frank Mugisha has endured insults from strangers, hate messages on his phone, police harassment and being outed in a tabloid as one of the country&#8217;s &#8220;top homos&#8221;. That may soon seem like the good old days.</p>
<p>Life imprisonment is the minimum punishment for anyone convicted of having gay sex, under an anti-homosexuality bill currently before Uganda&#8217;s parliament. If the accused person is HIV positive or a serial offender, or a &#8220;person of authority&#8221; over the other partner, or if the &#8220;victim&#8221; is under 18, a conviction will result in the death penalty.</p>
<p>Members of the public are obliged to report any homosexual activity to police with 24 hours or risk up to three years in jail – a scenario that human rights campaigners say will result in a witchhunt.Ugandans breaking the new law abroad will be subject to extradition requests.</p>
<p>&#8220;The bill is haunting us,&#8221; said Mugisha, 25, chairman of Sexual Minorities Uganda, a coalition of local lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex groups that will all be banned under the law. &#8220;If this passes we will have to leave the country.&#8221;</p>
<p>Human rights groups within and outside Uganda have condemned the proposed legislation, which is designed to strengthen colonial-era laws that already criminalise gay sex. The issue threatened to overshadow the Commonwealth heads of government meeting that ended in Trinidad and Tobagotoday, with the UK and Canada both expressing strong concerns. Ahead of the meeting Stephen Lewis, a former UN envoy on Aids in Africa, said the law &#8220;makes a mockery of Commonwealth principles&#8221; and has &#8220;a taste of fascism&#8221; about it.</p>
<p>But within Uganda deeply-rooted homophobia, aided by a US-linked evangelical campaign alleging that gay men are trying to &#8220;recruit&#8221; schoolchildren, and that homosexuality is a habit that can be &#8220;cured&#8221;, has ensured widespread public support for the bill.</p>
<p>President Yoweri Museveni appeared to add his backing earlier this month, warning youths in Kampala that he had heard that &#8220;European homosexuals are recruiting in Africa&#8221;, and saying gay relationships were against God&#8217;s will.</p>
<p>&#8220;We used to say Mr and Mrs, but now it is Mr and Mr. What is that now?&#8221; he said. In a interview with the Guardian, James Nsaba Buturo, the minister of state for ethics and integrity, said the government was determined to pass the legislation, ideally before the end of 2009, even if meant withdrawing from international treaties and conventions such as the UN&#8217;s Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and foregoing donor funding.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are talking about anal sex. Not even animals do that,&#8221; Butoro said, adding that he was personally caring for six &#8220;former homosexuals&#8221; who had been traumatised by the experience. &#8220;We believe there are limits to human rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>Homosexuality has always been a taboo subject in Uganda, and is considered by many to be an affront both to local culture and religion, which plays a strong role in family life. This negative stigma and the real threat of job loss means that no public personality has ever &#8220;come out&#8221;.</p>
<p>Even local HIV campaigns – which have been heavily influenced by the evangelical church with a bias towards abstinence over condom use – have deliberately avoided targeting gay men for both prevention and access to treatment.</p>
<p>&#8220;This means many gay men here think Aids is a non-issue, which is so dangerous,&#8221; said Mugisha, who together with a few colleagues, has risked arrest by agitating in recent years for a change in the HIV policy.</p>
<p>At the same time, some influential religious leaders have warned about the dangers of accepting liberal western attitudes towards homosexuality.</p>
<p>Both opponents and supporters agree that the impetus for the bill came in March during a seminar in Kampala to &#8220;expose the truth behind homosexuality and the homosexual agenda&#8221;.</p>
<p>The main speakers were three US evangelists: Scott Lively, Don Schmierer and Caleb Lee Brundidge. Lively is a noted anti-gay activist and president of Defend the Family International, a conservative Christian association, while Schmierer is an author who works with &#8220;homosexual recovery groups&#8221;. Brundidge is a &#8220;sexual reorientation coach&#8221; at the International Healing Foundation.</p>
<p>The seminar was organised by Stephen Langa, a Ugandan electrician turned pastor who runs the Family Life Network in Kampala and has been spreading the message that gays are targeting schoolchildren for &#8220;conversion&#8221;. &#8220;They give money to children to recruit schoolmates – once you have two children, the whole school is gone,&#8221; he said in an interview. Asked if there had been any court case to prove this was happening, he replied: &#8220;No, that&#8217;s why this law is needed.&#8221;</p>
<p>After the conference Langa arranged for a petition signed by thousands of concerned parents to be delivered to parliament in April. Within a few months the bill had been drawn up.</p>
<p>Christopher Senyonjo, a retired Anglican bishop, said the bill would push Uganda towards being a police state. &#8220;This law is being influenced by some evangelicals abroad,&#8221; he said. &#8220;There&#8217;s a lack of understanding about homosexuality – it&#8217;s not recruitment, it&#8217;s orientation.&#8221;</p>
<p>But among religious leaders of all faiths his is a rare voice. Langa, the pastor, said the only thing lacking in the legislation was a clause for &#8220;rehabilitation&#8221; of homosexuals, whom he &#8220;loves&#8221; and wants to help. Gay rights had the potential to destroy civilisation, as the west could soon find out, he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;As one parent told me: &#8216;We would rather live in grass huts with our morality than in skyscrapers among homosexuals&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/ugandan-villagers.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-178" title="ugandan villagers" src="http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/ugandan-villagers.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="337" /></a></p>
<p><strong>Editor&#8217;s Comment: Although this is coming from the Christians, at least they are moving in the right direction, back towards Allah&#8217;s laws when it comes to homosexuality and its punishment.</strong></p>
<p><strong>May Allah grant them guidance, and bring them into the fold of Islam, if only they could see the disgusting homosexuality of many of the Christian priests we could maybe use this as a tool, as leverage to show them their beliefs on Christianity are wrong and to bring them into Islam &#8211; Allah willing.</strong></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Israel ready to release 1,000 Palestinians for captive soldier]]></title>
<link>http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/israel-ready-to-release-1000-palestinians-for-captive-soldier/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Dawud</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[First official confirmation of prisoner swap for Gilad Shalit captured in 2006 From the Guardian new]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>First official confirmation of prisoner swap for Gilad Shalit captured in 2006</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/29/israel-prisoner-swap-gilad-shalit">From the Guardian newspaper</a></p>
<p><a href="http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/giladshalit.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-172" title="GiladShalit" src="http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/giladshalit.jpg" alt="" width="298" height="199" /></a>Israel revealed for the first time today it is ready to release nearly 1,000 Palestinian prisoners to secure the freedom of Gilad Shalit, the Israeli soldier held captive in Gaza.</p>
<p>The government said it was preparing for the possible release of 450 prisoners, whose names were proposed by Hamas, in the first stage of what would be Israel&#8217;s biggest prisoner swap in more than 20 years. Once Shalit, who was captured near Gaza in June 2006, was freed then another 530 prisoners, whose names will be chosen by Israel, would be released. Although the approximate figures have been known for several weeks, this was the first time the government has officially confirmed the size of the deal and suggests real progress has been made towards a prisoner swap.</p>
<p><a href="http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/hamasfighters.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-173" title="hamasfighters" src="http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/hamasfighters.jpg?w=300" alt="" width="300" height="205" /></a>Indirect negotiations have continued for months between Israel and Hamas, the Palestinian Islamist group which is holding Shalit in Gaza.</p>
<p>Since July, German intelligence officers have been mediating in the talks.</p>
<p>The figures were contained in an Israeli government response to a high court petition brought by the families of Israeli victims of terrorist attacks who are opposed to the release of Palestinian prisoners. The announcement does not mean the deal has yet been reached. There are reportedly still disagreements over the names of prisoners to be freed and where they will go once they are released.</p>
<p>The Israeli government response has talked of the &#8220;possibility&#8221; of such a prisoner swap of 450 Palestinians &#8220;in principle&#8221; in return for Shalit&#8217;s freedom and the list of names has not been finalised, according to the websites of the Ha&#8217;aretz and Yedioth Ahronoth newspapers tonight.</p>
<p>The release of the prisoners was &#8220;being examined in detail in accordance with different considerations and based on rationales of security and values&#8221;, the government said.</p>
<p>&#8220;It should be stressed that contrary to the release of prisoners as part of a gesture and/or diplomatic agreement, this is an incident of bargaining, which can be seen as an ongoing terror attack, as part of which negotiations are being held to reach the lowest price possible as far as the state of Israel is concerned.&#8221;</p>
<p>Israel has already said that the cabinet will vote on any prisoner swap before it happens and in the past the names of prisoners to be released are published 48 hours in advance to allow for legal challenges. Israel&#8217;s prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, will be in Germany tomorrow with several members of his cabinet for a special joint government meeting, which suggests a Shalit deal may be days away at the earliest. Palestinian officials have said it may yet be several weeks before a deal happens, if it happens at all.Shalit&#8217;s parents, Noam and Aviva, met with the Israeli foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman today[SUN] but were non-committal about the possibility of a deal. &#8220;I am not feeling encouraged nor am I ill at ease,&#8221; Noam Shalit was quoted as saying on his way into the meeting. &#8220;We are still waiting.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/hamasflags.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-174" title="hamasflags" src="http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/hamasflags.jpg" alt="" width="423" height="272" /></a></strong></p>
<p><strong>Editor&#8217;s Comment: Leicester Islamic Standard welcomes the release of our brothers and sisters from the jails of the Jewish colonial occupiers.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Many of them, especially the women have suffered as they have been away from their families for a long time, away from their children, locked up without trial or charges being brought, abused and attacked by the evil zionists in their prison cells where they are defenseless, stipped of their hijab and dignity.<br />
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<p><strong>It should be remembered that Hamas, an Islamic movement has overwhelming popularity amongst the Palestinian people and where they do good deeds we should aid them, even if only in our Du&#8217;as and where they are mistaken we should make du&#8217;a for them even more.</strong></p>
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<title><![CDATA[The Sethometer]]></title>
<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/30/the-sethometer/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Hawkeye</dc:creator>
<guid>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/30/the-sethometer/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Continuing a downward trend in popularity, we are pleased to report that the latest Seth Freedman th]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><span style="color:#000000;">Continuing a downward trend in popularity, we are pleased to report that the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/26/israel-occupation-jerusalem-light-railway" target="_blank">latest Seth Freedman thread</a> generated a paltry 54 comments.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Here&#8217;s the latest Sethometer.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3400" title="Freedman thread count trend" src="http://commentisfreewatch.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/freedman-thread-count-trend4.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="330" /><br />
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">And if you haven&#8217;t had a chance yet, check out AKUS&#8217;s <a href="http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/">demolition of Freedman</a>. </span></p>
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<title><![CDATA[A Gala Performance]]></title>
<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/30/a-gala-performance/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Hawkeye</dc:creator>
<guid>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/30/a-gala-performance/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[This is a guest post from Israelinurse Last Thursday’s excellent piece by Isi Leibler on CiF elicite]]></description>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">Last Thursday’s excellent piece by <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/26/europe-double-standards-israel" target="_blank">Isi Leibler</a> on CiF elicited a tediously predictable barrage of every type of offensive comment in the book – a veritable Gala Performance of Guadianistas in their element.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">First, we have the ‘one-liner’ school of philosophy:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/WhattheDormousesaid" target="_blank">WhattheDormousesaid </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">26 Nov 2009, 12:47PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">I always knew there was an alrternate universe where black is white and white is black.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Ladies and gentlemen Cif give you that very universe in this article.</span></p>
<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/ShropsLad" target="_blank">ShropsLad </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">26 Nov 2009, 12:48PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza" target="_blank">Israel Phosphorus Gaza </a>Need we say anything more?</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Then there’s the ‘chosen people’ trope:<br />
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/Mach1" target="_blank">Mach1 </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">26 Nov 2009, 12:52PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">I?m quite happy to engage with moderate Jews with whom a constructive discussion is possible ? but not those from the extreme wing or those who refuse to accept bsimple facts .</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Borrowing from Melanie Phillips definition of a moderate Arab:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">My own personal litmus test is their attitude to Palestine and the Arabs in general. If they get that one right &#8211; that is, if they understand that fundamentally the Palestinians are the victim in the Middle East, that the Palestinians are a benign and unaggressive people and that the Jewish world has been brainwashed into a demented and paranoid hatred of the Arabs &#8211; then such people generally also get most other things the right way round too.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Next, the ‘Israel is a racist state’ libel, in all of its various permutations:<br />
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/backtothepoint" target="_blank">backtothepoint </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">26 Nov 2009, 12:57PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">I don&#8217;t even know where to begin. What a tissue of blatant lies!</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Demonisation of Israel has become the surrogate for traditional Jew-hatred? The left and many liberals have succeeded in hijacking human rights groups to serve as vehicles to undermine the Jewish state? The automatic majority of Islamic and other radical states guarantees the passage of all anti-Israeli resolutions initiated at the UN? Israel has made more and more concessions over the last decade? Arab citzens in Israel have equal rights? Two Israeli prime ministers offered to cede virtually all of the territories gained in wars initiated by Israel&#8217;s enemies seeking to destroy it? The Sharon government unilaterally disengaged from Gaza?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">The Minitruth propaganda and rewriting of history goes on. How did this almost surrealistic distortion of reality ever get published?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">&#8230; most European states nevertheless apply double standards against the Jewish state.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">That at least is true. Against the wishes of its people, Europe continues to arm the revolting apartheid  State of Israel and fund its theft, massacres and repression with preferential trade agreements, while cynically denouncing, punishing and even militarily attacking States guilty of far lesser crimes.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">This article is truly horrible.</span></p>
<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/PaulLambert" target="_blank">PaulLambert </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">26  Nov 2009, 1:53PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">It&#8217;s a simply a truism that Israel, in it&#8217;s current form, is a discrimantory state. A state which denies <a href="http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE15/013/2001" target="_blank">the legal and moral right</a> of return to their homeland for millions of Palestinian Arabs for no other reason than they are Arabs, rather than Jews. They&#8217;re being denied their rights on the basis of their ethnicity. How is that *not* discriminatory?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">There are other forms of systematic and overt discrimination, like the <a href="http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE15/063/2004" target="_blank">Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law</a>, which again denies Palestinian Arabs their basic rights based on nithing more than them being the wrong ethnicity.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">All this without even getting into the discriminatory practices enforced in the Occupied Territories (settler only roads, house demolitions, Israeli law for settlers, military law for Palestinians, distribution of water resources, etc).</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">If you&#8217;re so concerned about people calling Israel a &#8216;racist&#8217; or &#8216;apartheid&#8217; state, why not campaign to bring an end to the laws and practices which give people reason to say this?</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Followed by a dose of conspiracy theory:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/corrocamino" target="_blank">corrocamino </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">26  Nov 2009, 2:03PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">My mistake. Zionism has no connection with Wall Street. There is no Jewish Mafia. And there were no Palestinians in Palestine.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">And where would we be without the ever-popular ‘Giyus’ conspiracies too?</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/backtothepoint" target="_blank">backtothepoint </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">26  Nov 2009, 2:25PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">@QuinceTree</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">And, please tell me you don&#8217;t honestly believe that the Israeli government is funding my views!</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Now if you&#8217;d talked about the Israeli government funding you, I would have said I honestly didn&#8217;t know.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">But as for your views, the answer is yes. Have you never heard of Hasbara? See the Guardian article below, about Israeli government propaganda on the Internet.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2006/nov/20/mondaymediasection.israel" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2006/nov/20/mondaymediasection.israel</a></span></p>
<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/backtothepoint" target="_blank">backtothepoint </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">26  Nov 2009, 1:34PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">@QuinceTree</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">And so why does Israel gather so much ire &#8211; and yet humanity-loving Guardianistas don&#8217;t give two hoots abou the Congo?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">I think you&#8217;ll find that &#8220;Guardianistas&#8221; care deeply about the Congo. One of the differences on CIF is that the Congolese government does not fund and orchestrate the mass presentation of official Congolese propaganda on CIF&#8217;s pages.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">If you feel there are too many comments on this page, why are you posting? Or is it just you feel that anyone opposed to Israel&#8217;s criminal policies should not be posting?</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Not to mention the ubiquitous ‘double standards’ method:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://users/Gigolo" target="_blank">Gigolo </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">26 Nov 2009, 2:53PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><em>&#8220;in which demonisation of </em><em>Israel</em><em> has become the surrogate for traditional Jew hatred ? just as Jews in the middle ages were blamed for all the ills of mankind, so today the Jewish state is increasingly held responsible for the principal woes facing humanity.&#8221;</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Really? OK, you go first &#8211; which of the principal woes facing humanity is Israel responsible for?<br />
Hunger? Nope, Drought, nope, AIDS, nope&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Such ridiculous hyperbole does nothing to advance your cause.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">The truth of the matter is that Israel is held up to rather more rigid scrutiny because it pretends to be a modern democracy, with a social and political environment similar to a modern European state.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">That&#8217;s why we don&#8217;t get too hung up about say the antics in Yemen, beause we know that Yemen is just a glorified shit-hole full of armed bandits and nothing else, so our exectations aren&#8217;t too high.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">But Israel pretends to be like us, only better. After all, God told you to kill all those peole, didn&#8217;t He, in order to ensure your nation&#8217;s racial purity?<br />
So that&#8217;s all right, then&#8230;</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">As if all this did not suffice, we were also treated to a bit of celeb glitter in the form of none other than the newly re-vamped moderate himself:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/Inayat" target="_blank">Inayat </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">26  Nov 2009, 1:01PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Contributor</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><em>*Liebler: &#8216;It is in this context that </em><em>Israel</em><em> remains the only country in the world whose very right to exist is challenged.&#8217;*</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">No, that would be Palestine.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">No amount of star quality, however, is a match for the ever impressive, infinitely patient and delightfully precise Petra MB :</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://users/PetraMB" target="_blank">PetraMB </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">26 Nov 2009, 3:29PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Contributor</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Inayat got close to 100 endorsements for asserting that it is not Israel&#8217;s right to exist that is being challenged, but Palestine&#8217;s.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">In 1947, the Palestinians were offered a state. They turned it down, because they thought that by refusing their state, they could also deny Israel&#8217;s right to exist. Accordingly, from 1948-1967, nobody talked about establishing a Palestinian state, even though the Westbank and Gaza were not occupied by Israel. The PLO was established in 1964, the territory they intended to &#8220;liberate&#8221; was Israel, i.e. they denied Israel&#8217;s right to exist. Until today, everybody who supports the so-called one-state solution is denying Israel&#8217;s right to exist.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">The PLO got around to at least declaring that they accepted a Palestinian state alongside Israel in the late 1980s, i.e. 20 years ago. Not long after that, the Oslo process began, and the idea was that the PA would gradually build up the infrastructure for a Palestinian state. Most of the donor money given for that purpose vanished in Swiss bank accounts, and the only thing that was built up was a large number of armed militias, with more than 20 000 armed members. Serious negotiations for a final status agreement in Camp David and Taba 2000-01 failed when Arafat rejected the proposals; though some 2 years later, he said that this was a mistake:<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jun/22/israel" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jun/22/israel</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">It took until Salaam Fayyad came into office barely 2 years ago before somebody finally got serious about building the institutional infrastructure for a Palestinian state, though it is by no means clear that this effort enjoys widespread popular support among Palestinians. A year ago, Olmert proposed a Palestinian state on the equivalent of 100 percent of the pre-1967 Westbank-Gaza territory, with East Jerusalem as Palestine&#8217;s capital, and a connection between the Westbank and Gaza. Abbas turned it down. Now he seems to regret it:<br />
<a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1124682.html" target="_blank">http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1124682.html</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">So, Inayat, who exactly is denying Palestine&#8217;s right to exist?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">And every now and then, we have news reports like this one from earlier this year:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">February</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Hamas spokesman Ismail Radwan reportedly said that the group will not recognize Israel nor meet the condition set by the Quartet, and noted that Clinton&#8217;s request was unacceptable to the Palestinians.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1235410738729&#38;pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull" target="_blank">http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1235410738729&#38;pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">March</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Former Fatah security commander Muhammad Dahlan on Tuesday called on Hamas not to recognize Israel&#8217;s right to exist, pointing out that Fatah had never recognized it.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1237114855755&#38;pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull" target="_blank">http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1237114855755&#38;pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">June</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Recognizing Israel is completely unacceptable.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2009/06/18/hamas_rejects_carter_plea_to_recognize_israel/" target="_blank">http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2009/06/18/hamas_rejects_carter_plea_to_recognize_israel/</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">September</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">De facto Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh on Monday evening reiterated Hamas? refusal to recognize Israel</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=222841" target="_blank">http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=222841</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">So when people make statements that have no basis in fact, as Inayat did here, it&#8217;s kind of hard to see how this qualifies as &#8220;oh but it&#8217;s just legitimate criticism of Israel&#8221;.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">It is, of course, entirely to be expected that a writer of Isi Leibler’s calibre should bring the CiF crowd out in force as he manages to shake their world view to the very core. It is probably also of no surprise to regular CiF watchers that the more eloquent the pro-Israel argument above the line, the more virulent the comments below. </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">But the last word has to go to ImranZeb, who seems to be pondering  the same questions as I when it comes to the mysterious connection between antisemites and bad spelling:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://users/ImranZeb" target="_blank">ImranZeb </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">26 Nov 2009, 2:37PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Homeboy&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Were you on crack when you wroe this&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">That israel is an illegal State which practices apartied &#38; has a human rights record only equal to fascist China;that Palestinioan children ae killed as easily I I just drank taht cup of coffee may be a reason why people have a beef with Israel &#38; your still on the &#8216;woe is me&#8217; tip</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Indeed, one does wonder&#8230;</span></p>
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<p><a href="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/bay.jpg"><img style="display:inline;border-width:0;" title="Bay" border="0" alt="Bay" src="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/bay_thumb.jpg?w=712&#038;h=403" width="712" height="403" /></a></p>
<p>HERMAN HESSE</p>
<p>AN HOUR AFTER MIDNIGHT</p>
<p>A REALM OF THE ARCHETYPE</p>
<p>“A soft and slow wave landed my curved hull boat between the rocks. The dreamer who inhabited under the skin of the shipwrecked abandoned the oarsman’s seat and extended his arms in the direction of the silent land. The purple cloak slip from my shoulders creasing down my hips. My arms and neck thin by so much oaring, and fasting; my hair now long and heavy covered my nape with it’s abundance. In the quiet green shaded waters of the bay my image reflected thick; however I could attest that the long voyage had turned my body flexible and lean, my now bronzed skin. Painful hours had carved in my cheeks a testimony of their danger, their defeat and my triumph. All the gray downs that witnessed grasping the boat with my sore members, all the storms that rippled the Oceans pointing to it’s depths had carved deep creases in my face and neck.</p>
<p>However I kept the clarity of my eyes within the wide orbs and my awake child like sights. They had been open through many nights in the look for the eternal stars; My eyes had penetrated deeply vigilant in the iridescent night in search of a coast or the sighting of a sail of a traveling boat. During many days they have not looked at land, and in very few occasions they have distantly sighted, smiling and with longing the greenery of the forest that passed port side, and starboard, the faint smoke of faraway hidden cities. At that moment those eyes reflected in the terse surface of the water they stared at me big, true and smiling.”</p>
<p><a href="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/boat.jpg"><img style="display:inline;border-width:0;" title="Boat" border="0" alt="Boat" src="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/boat_thumb.jpg?w=544&#038;h=426" width="544" height="426" /></a></p>
<p>This is the beginning words for Herman Hesse’s An Hour After Midnight, translated in to English as An Hour Behind Midnight. During his time in Tübingen Hesse immersed himself in an atmosphere of Romantic Literature finding faith and inspiration in the world of beauty, and specifically the world of poetry. Hesse strived to familiarize himself with the history of literature, and the world of romanticism, and aestheticism. He read Schlegel, Brentano, Eichendorff, Schleiermacher, and his favorite, Novalis. He even went as far as to describe the acquisition of his two volumes of Novalis in a little novel titled: “The Novalis, from the papers of an old fashioned man“. This resonance with the Romantic Archetypes formed the background of Hesse&#8217;s first poems. It dominates in <em>An Hour After Midnight</em>, as also in parts of <em>Hermann Lauscher</em>, and was finally beginning to mellow down in <em>Peter Camenzind</em>. But in fact never goes away completely in all of his writings, impregnating them with the ethereal aura of a World beyond reality, the Realm of the Archetypes.</p>
<p><a href="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/alameda.jpg"><img style="display:inline;border-width:0;" title="Alameda" border="0" alt="Alameda" src="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/alameda_thumb.jpg?w=584&#038;h=462" width="584" height="462" /></a></p>
<p>Here is an excerpt of Novalis:” Hymns to the Night” that captures with his Imagination a realm beyond ordinary reality that reaches towards the vision of the purity of the Archetype:</p>
<p><strong></strong></p>
<p>“Now I know when will come the last morning &#8212; when the Light no more scares away Night and Love &#8212; when sleep shall be without waking, and but one continuous dream. I feel in me a celestial exhaustion. Long and weariful was my pilgrimage to the holy grave, and crushing was the cross. The crystal wave, which, imperceptible to the ordinary sense, springs in the dark bosom of the mound against whose foot breaks the flood of the world, he who has tasted it, he who has stood on the mountain frontier of the world, and looked across into the new land, into the abode of the Night &#8212; truly he turns not again into the tumult of the world, into the land where dwells the Light in ceaseless unrest.”</p>
<p><a href="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/mistontheforest.jpg"><img style="display:inline;border-width:0;" border="0" alt="" src="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/mistontheforest_thumb.jpg?w=613&#038;h=437" width="613" height="437" /></a></p>
<p><strong></strong></p>
<p>However the most important thing is not to see Novalis as an old fashioned Romantic but as the &#34;Priest&#34; of a New Spirituality, as he claimed a Poet should be the Prophet of a mystical world view, a high standard of education, and the frequently perceptible pietistic influences are combined in Novalis&#8217; attempt to reach a new concept of Christianity, faith, and God. He forever endeavors to align these with his own view of transcendental philosophy, which acquired the mysterious name &#34;Magical idealism&#34;. Magical idealism draws heavily from the critical or transcendental Idealism of Kant and Fichte, and incorporates the artistic element central to Early German Romanticism The subject must strive to conform the external, natural world to its own will and genius; hence the term &#34;magical&#34;. David Krell calls magical idealism &#34;thaumaturgic idealism.&#34;</p>
<p>Now, this part Novalis wrote and it is important:</p>
<p><strong></strong></p>
<p>&#34;The imagination places the world of the future either far above us, or far below, or in a relation of metempsychosis to ourselves. We dream of traveling through the universe – but is not the universe within ourselves? The depths of our spirit are unknown to us &#8211; the mysterious way leads inwards. Eternity with its worlds – the past and future – is in ourselves or nowhere. The external world is the world of shadows – it throws its shadow into the realm of light. At present this realm certainly seems to us so dark inside, lonely. shapeless. But how entirely different it will seem to us – when this gloom is past, and the body of shadows has moved away. We will experience greater enjoyment than ever, for our spirit has been deprived.&#34;</p>
<p>This exploration of the Universe within it is reached through a premeditated tune up of the Imagination towards a sensitive state of the Soul were the emotions manifest in the without, specially in Nature a return to the Archetypal of the perfect form, a sort of Gate to a Paradise on Earth reached through the contemplation of the beauty of Nature. Here again Herman Hesse:</p>
<p>“A wind come to meet me from the direction of the land, it come flying with displicence. It brought me a smell of wild plants, and an aroma of distant blooming orchards. Like in a spell I extended the arms towards it, and felt with pleasure it’s breath between the fingers, hands, and brow, so used to the sharp wind of the sea.</p>
<p>I pushed the gray boat dragging it over the sand. My right hand rub the hard curve of the boat, now made smooth by my constant grip. I walk in to the land and got near to the dense, and high bushes that formed a circular wall as far as the eye could see. I walk along it’ greenery, enjoying the warm bluish shade, light weaved yellow and green. The path took me to a field of soft vegetation that tenderly caressed with it’s silky flowers my knees.”</p>
<p><a href="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/enchantedforest.jpg"><img style="display:inline;border-width:0;" title="Enchanted Forest" border="0" alt="Enchanted Forest" src="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/enchantedforest_thumb.jpg?w=620&#038;h=470" width="620" height="470" /></a></p>
<p>In this fashion Herman Hesse, in great length describe beautifully, and intimately every detail, and nuance of a primeval enchanted forest, flowery fields, greenery laden hills, and valleys flooding in sunlight, or shade until his arrival to the Realm of the Queen.</p>
<p><strong><em></em></strong>&#34;In the deepest part of my being happiness grew along with pain, and my voice trembled as I start to sing. My fingers pulsated the fine strings; it was a long time since last time that I played, despite of that the rhythm, and the verses took hold of me with new vigor and generosity.</p>
<p><strong><em></em></strong>My song evoked a past Autumn many years ago when still an adolescent my eyes followed for the first time the gracious step, and silhouette of a young girl. I sang about the sunsets, and the nights when under the growing perfume of the silver linden trees carried my bittersweet longings with the hard beatings of the oars through dark lagoons; when many times I visited sand banks, trails, and forest spots were I would contemplate the beautiful first rays of the down. My song remembered the days that love made me ride fiery horses at full gallop. I remembered the many roses in bloom, the shady cottonwoods invaded by the perfume of the Jasmin&#8230;&#34;</p>
<p><a href="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/lightthroughthethick.jpg"><img style="display:inline;border-width:0;" title="Light through the thick" border="0" alt="Light through the thick" src="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/lightthroughthethick_thumb.jpg?w=632&#038;h=718" width="632" height="718" /></a></p>
<p>The Realm of the Queen it is this semi-Pagan paradise where the Archetype of the Mother-Lover resides, every woman it is the reflection of the ideal beloveds from our past, all rolled in to one, or many!</p>
<p>In a small chapter subtitled for Frau Gertrudis Herman Hesse pours in this woman the very Archetype of womanhood.</p>
<p><a href="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/astarte2.jpg"><img style="border-bottom:0;border-left:0;display:inline;border-top:0;border-right:0;" title="astarte2" border="0" alt="astarte2" src="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/astarte2_thumb.jpg?w=362&#038;h=720" width="362" height="720" /></a> </p>
<p>“You the most friendly of my deceased, you appear many times in the most lonely place in my Castle, near the small arch of an arched window. Your presence , inexplicable but benign endures beyond all the moments we were together linking our hands like a Star that no longer exist, but that it’s rays still come to us for a long time.</p>
<p>I can’t count the many times when strolling idle under the heavens of <em>Vita Nova. </em>I can’t tell the times I have lost all hope of ever seeing your apparition again. No other beauty, except of that sweet poem can compare with your’s. I think sometimes than in another Age being Dante in ecstasy you walked by his side, and since then only once more you have walk Earthly roads under the shade of my anxious youth. That I could see you with corporeal eyes, that your hand would rest on mine, that your light steps would touch the ground by my side, it is not this a Mercy from the Beyond? A blessed finger that rest in my forehead, a gate that provide access to Eternal Beauty?</p>
<p><a href="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/ophelia2.jpg"><img style="border-bottom:0;border-left:0;display:inline;border-top:0;border-right:0;" title="ophelia2" border="0" alt="ophelia2" src="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/ophelia2_thumb.jpg?w=357&#038;h=684" width="357" height="684" /></a> </p>
<p>Frequently, when sleep, in dreams I can see your physical beauty; I stare at your white fingers&#8211;what fine phalanx&#8217;s&#8211;from your noble hands, that rested on the piano&#8217;s keyboard! Or I see you contemplating alongside the window an evening sky that turns pale;the prodigious knowledge of beauty gave your eyes a deep shine. Your eyes had awaken in me numberless artistic dreams. They are maybe the most precious gift to my existence, they are stars of beauty, and truthfulness: severe eyes, but kind, infallible, judging; they give punishment and reward; they are enemies to the dastardly, the insignificant, and casual. They dictate norms, weight, pronounce judgments; they know to charm, with super abundance of happiness. What is Glory, favors, mankind praise,without the gleaming shine of approval of those pure lights?&#34;</p>
<p><a href="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/hesperus.jpg"><img style="border-bottom:0;border-left:0;display:inline;border-top:0;border-right:0;" title="hesperus" border="0" alt="hesperus" src="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/hesperus_thumb.jpg?w=387&#038;h=708" width="387" height="708" /></a> </p>
<p>Herman Hesse in the chapter titled : <strong>Nocturne</strong> goes back to a recurrent Archetype of Medieval abandoned Castles, in the middle of a lake, surrounded by a forest, a ghost like apparition of an old guardian knight. What secret he guards? What past echoes of the ancient past this reveals? Is this not a look in to a Mythical Realm that lays thinly submerged in our Imagination?</p>
<p><a href="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/castlelake.jpg"><img style="display:inline;border-width:0;" title="Castle Lake" border="0" alt="Castle Lake" src="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/castlelake_thumb.jpg?w=601&#038;h=424" width="601" height="424" /></a></p>
<p><em>&#34;My horse stop, stretching it&#8217;s beautiful neck&#160; neighs unto the twilight of the evening.</em></p>
<p><em>I salute you!</em></p>
<p><em>I salute you, my dark refuge of cedars, far from the world, untouched, with your dark belt, you carry in your bosom peace.</em></p>
<p><em>At the recondite thick center of cedars, there is a lake with a made out of granite Castle: A fortress made to endure eternity; on top of hard rock, rise colossal, flanked by enormous Norman towers, a single gate.</em></p>
<p><em>The gate on top of a stair made out of stones that descend in to the deep, dark lake. The Guardian gray, gelid, listen to my horse&#8217;s familiar steps, and recognize me. He goes out through the iron gate, and descend slowly through the moss covered stairs. Unties the heavy chain of the royal boat, with a single oar he slide silently over the dark mirror of the surface of the lake. He pick me up and return the boat to the castle, we anchor it using the heavy square chain.</em></p>
<p><em>We sat at the threshold of the gate, with the wind of the evening, the rumor coming from the top of the trees grows; The night slides over the trunks of the trees at the far side of the lake. The Guardian rest his head on his hands and looks in to the growing darkness with tranquility. In front of us the green, dark steps, and the quiet lake, surrounded by the ancient walls of the Sacred Forest that circle around the lake. Flying with soundless wings the hours go by.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/mosscoveredstairs.jpg"><img style="display:inline;border-width:0;" title="Moss covered stairs" border="0" alt="Moss covered stairs" src="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/mosscoveredstairs_thumb.jpg?w=628&#038;h=641" width="628" height="641" /></a> </p>
<p><em><a href="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/stairsintothelake.jpg"><img style="display:inline;border-width:0;" title="StairsintotheLake" border="0" alt="StairsintotheLake" src="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/stairsintothelake_thumb.jpg?w=630&#038;h=606" width="630" height="606" /></a> </em></p>
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<p><em>Beyond the waters on top of the peaks a trembling glow, grows and rise, turns in to a bright light, and finally stands over the forest, flying over the sky: The full Moon. It&#8217;s rays conquer slowly the surface of the surface of the lake a bright beam lights up the lake with pure luminosity, the quiet, and deep lake now an immense mirror. The silver Moon gazes from it&#8217;s mysterious observatory.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/nightintheforest.jpg"><img style="display:inline;border-width:0;" title="Night in the Forest" border="0" alt="Night in the Forest" src="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/nightintheforest_thumb.jpg?w=634&#038;h=539" width="634" height="539" /></a></p>
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<p>Some artist through their Art can bring us close to the Realm of the Archetype that lays veiled from our eyes in the twilight of consciousness, sensitive souls can discover the gate of this Realm, Herman Hesse in <strong><em>An Hour After Midnight </em></strong>certainly show us that.</p>
<p><a href="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/pier.jpg"><img style="display:inline;border-width:0;" title="Pier" border="0" alt="Pier" src="http://konekrusoskronos.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/pier_thumb.jpg?w=646&#038;h=463" width="646" height="463" /></a></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Kansas &lsquo;Special Committee for Children&rsquo; to ask victims of SRS/CPS and their private contractors some very hard questions.  Monday Nov. 30th]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[Press Release For Immediate Release: Kansas Special Committee for Children to ask victims of SRS/CPS]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Russia claims it has won peace, but Chechen terrorism is defiantly back]]></title>
<link>http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/russia-claims-it-has-won-peace-but-chechen-terrorism-is-defiantly-back/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[From the Guardian Newspaper Luke Harding &#8211; Reporter for the Guardian and Observer The north Ca]]></description>
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<p>Luke Harding &#8211; Reporter for the Guardian and Observer<br />
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The north Caucasus has exploded in violent revolt, making Moscow&#8217;s Muslim south a growing threat</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/chechen-mujahideen.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-154" title="chechen mujahideen" src="http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/chechen-mujahideen.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>In the past two years, the simmering insurgency in Russia&#8217;s north Caucasus has exploded into open revolt. Daily attacks against government security forces and bomb explosions have become a part of everyday life.</p>
<p><a href="http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/russian-train-crash1.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-155" title="russian train crash" src="http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/russian-train-crash1.jpg" alt="" width="314" height="196" /></a>Across Ingushetia, Chechnya, Dagestan and Karabino-Balkaria, Islamist fighters are waging a violent struggle to overthrow their local and federal rulers. Increasingly, they are winning. Friday&#8217;s apparent bombing of an express train between Moscow and St Petersburg raises the spectre that this conflict in Russia&#8217;s troublesome Muslim south is again spilling over into Russia&#8217;s vulnerable European heart. A second deadly attack similar to Friday&#8217;s explosion would confirm that after a deceptive five-year pause, Chechen terrorism is defiantly back.</p>
<p>Last night Alexei Malashenko, Russia&#8217;s leading expert on the restive north Caucasus, cautioned it was too early to tell if Chechens were behind Friday&#8217;s blast, but conceded: &#8220;There could be links between the explosion and radical Islamic activists.&#8221;</p>
<p>He said that the insurgency in Russia&#8217;s volatile south was now spiralling out of control. &#8220;The situation is very bad. It seems to me that the east part of the North Caucasus is in a state of civil war. Every day somebody is killed. There is a lack of stability.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to Malashenko, the Islamist fighters have a long-term goal of creating an Islamic caliphate in the region. In the short-term, however, they are simply seeking to provoke a popular uprising against the widely detested federal government and its corrupt local representatives.</p>
<p>The Kremlin fought two brutal wars in Chechnya between 1994 and 1996, and 1999 and 2005. In recent years, the Russian government has boasted it has pacified the territories. The attacks once waged by suicidal Chechen commanders have ceased. There has been no repeat of Beslan, the school in North Ossetia infamously seized by Chechens in September 2004, in which more than 330 people, mostly children, died.</p>
<p>However, the rebels appear to have regrouped, their numbers swelled by zealous teenage recruits. This year has seen a series of attacks, including an assassination attempt on Ingushetia&#8217;s Kremlin-appointed president, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, and the devastating bombing of a police station.</p>
<p>Most ominously, in the spring, veteran Chechen guerrilla leader Doku Umarov said he was reviving the notorious Riyadus Salikhin group, a suicide battalion of &#8220;Chechen martyrs&#8221;. The Kremlin regularly says Umarov has been killed. The evidence suggests he is still alive.</p>
<p><strong>Editor&#8217;s Comment: Although we might disagree with some of the tactics used by the brothers and sisters in Chechnya, we should not forget what they have been through and not judge them as we haven&#8217;t been through what they have been through. </strong></p>
<p><strong>250,000 Chechens have been murdered, many women and children raped as the Russians let loose their most brutal Cossack regiments upon the civilian population.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Women are attacked, tortured, raped and sodomised just for wearing Hijab, and men disappear every day, kidnapped and tortured before being killed for the crime of making their Fajr salaat in the Masjid.<br />
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<p><strong>To put these numbers into perspective, Chechnya had a population of 1.25 Million before the Russians brutally attacked them for daring to want Allah&#8217;s law &#8211; the Shariah.</strong></p>
<p><strong>That is 1 in 5 of the population, the equivalent 5th of the population in the UK would be 12 Million, the same as wiping London off the map.</strong></p>
<p><strong>We pray Allah gives aid to the brave youth in this region and grants them success in bringing Allah&#8217;s law to this land, ameen.</strong></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Jewish Conspiracy Theory on the Jewish Conspiracy Thread #3 - Day 2]]></title>
<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/29/jewish-conspiracy-theory-on-the-jewish-conspiracy-thread-3-day-2/</link>
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<description><![CDATA[Last week CiF Watch published Jewish Conspiracy on the Jewish Conspiracy Thread #3 &#8211; Day 1. In]]></description>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;The third article in the series covering the Oborne documentary on “Comment is Free” was an <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/18/dispatches-israeli-lobby-antisemitism" target="_blank">article by Jonathan Boyd</a> that generated an astounding 509 comments before the “clean up crew” reduced the comment count to 472.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Because of the sheer volume of antisemitic commentary, we are splitting this post into two threads by “day 1″ and “day 2″.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">This post covers day 2 of the thread.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Before we take a look at the comments, let me highlight this comment that caught my eye. Hope you&#8217;re taking note Daddy Rusbridger.</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/janny11" target="_blank"> janny11 </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 2:54</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">where do i begin, i am a very secular Jewish person who is also a zionist. Ido not feel persecuted by reading these comments, i just feel sick to my stomach, Most of the comments on here are borderline anti jew hatred. I would&#8217;nt even call it antisemitism, it goes deeper than that. It just makes me happy to think I don&#8217;t live in the UK anymore. My daughter who is studying in Manchester told me that she has never told anyone she is Jewish because she was scared to do so. The other day somebody remarked rather nastily when they overheard her saying her surname (which is typically Jewish), they asked her if she was a member of the Jewish Lobby to get rid of the Palestinians, she told them she had no idea what they were talking about. She did not see the programme about the Jewish Lobbyists. The two in question replied that she was a jewish whore and to go and f***** herself. Very nice, she wanted to report this, but was told it was&#8217;nt worth it and it would cause more trouble. She was really shocked because this was the first time this has ever happend to her, all she could say to me was she hated being Jewish. All i could do was cry.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">And if that wasn&#8217;t bad enough. This is how one of the Guardinistas responded.</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/Matzpen" target="_blank">Matzpen </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 3:01</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;"><strong>janny11</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Rubbish. Utter, utter, rubbish. Operation Suzannah-lite.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">Of course Matzpen had no basis at all to discount Janny11&#8217;s comment in such a manner but such is the level of discourse we have come to expect among the Guardinistas on &#8220;Comment is Free&#8221;.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Anyway, day number 2 of the Boyd thread kicked off with a comment from Guardian contributor, <a href="http://cifwatch.com/cif-contributors/ben-white/" target="_blank">Ben White</a> (the same Ben White that has flirted with Holocaust denial and claims to understand why some are antisemitic) engaging in some <a href="http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/000549.html" target="_blank">Jenin revisionism</a>.</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/BenWhite">BenWhite </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 9:19AM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><a title="Staff"> <img title="Contributor" src="http://static.guim.co.uk/microapps/server-side-pluck/images/icons_contributor_28.gif" alt="Contributor" width="28" height="28" /> Contributor </a></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#808080;">In April 2002, at the height of the Palestinian intifada, media reports quickly began circulating that a massacre had been committed by the Israel Defence Forces in Jenin in the West Bank. Rumours circulated that hundreds of Palestinians had been killed. The BBC suggested 150. Saeb Erekat, interviewed on CNN, claimed 500. Yasser Abed Rabbo intimated 900&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#808080;">In the final analysis, it was established that no such massacre took place in Jenin. The United Nations report into the fighting eventually concluded that, in actual fact, 52 Palestinians were killed, at least half of whom were militants.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">During Israel&#8217;s invasion of Jenin in 2002 there was genuine confusion about the number of casualties (like in Gaza 2009, Israel restricted media access). On 9 April, the Israeli newspaper Ha?aretz published a story describing how Foreign Minister Shimon Peres was ?very worried? about the international reaction to events in Jenin, ?where more than 100 Palestinians have already been killed in fighting?, according to the newspaper. Peres was apparently referring to the battle ?as a ?massacre??.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">The next day, Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat appeared on CNN and estimated that the number of Palestinians killed since the start of Operation Defensive Shield across the West Bank ?could reach 500? (not in Jenin specifically). A BBC report the same day noted: ?Israel says 150 Palestinians died in Jenin?. On 12 April, an IDF spokesperson suggested ?hundreds of Palestinians? killed in Jenin, a figure later clarified to mean dead and injured.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Ironically, in citing the UN report on Jenin by way of some kind of vindication, you neglect to mention that the Israeli government obstructed and blocked that very same investigation.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Human Rights Watch published a report in May 2002, concluding that ?many of the civilian deaths? they documented ?amounted to unlawful or willful killings by the IDF?, with some cases amounting ?to summary executions?. HRW said that the IDF used Palestinians as human shields and employed ?indiscriminate and excessive force?, and that from an estimated 52 Palestinian deaths, at least 22 were civilians ?including children, physically disabled, and elderly people?.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Physicians for Human Rights reported on 30 April 2002 that 38 percent of all reported fatalities in Jenin were ?children under 15 years, women and men over the age of 50?.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">We have no problem calling half a dozen victims in a high school shooting a ?massacre?, or indeed suicide bombings inside Israel. But Palestinians cannot possibly be victims of a massacre; only ?collateral damage?.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">From Ben White Jenin revisionism we go to this from guysheard and climberdave that equates Zionism with racism:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/guysheard" target="_blank"> </a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/guysheard" target="_blank"> guysheard </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 10:48AM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">One of the problems in this article is that you repeatedly refer to Israel. I think you will find it is the zionist administration of occupied Palestine. If you go from a starting point like that then you&#8217;re already engaging in anti-arab racism.</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">Please change the record about anti-semitism. It is a tired old argument and has no bearing on the issue of anti arab racism by a zionist government . Israel defines itself as a racist regime. Let&#8217;s go from that starting point before we start talking about racism going the other way in the form of anti-semitism</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/climberdave" target="_blank"> climberdave </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 3:10</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">@keeptofacts</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">So if you think &#8220;removing support&#8221; from Israel will create peace, when this is the true reality of the problem (only a fraction of it), then you need to reflect on that my friend.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">I never said it would bring peace immediately but I believe it would force Israel in to a situation where it respected it neighbours and respected those Arabs that live on Israeli soil. That or it will be destroyed.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">At present we&#8217;re moving towards a situation where the outcome is placed on hold due to Western support of Israel and it&#8217;s damaging our reputations. Remove the support and lets see how it plays out.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">I have reflected on it. The support of Israel is damaging my countries reputation, I no longer wish my country to support a state whose prime goal is to be bascially ethnically pure.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">Then we have the <a href="http://engageonline.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/the-livingstone-formulation/" target="_blank">Livingstone formulation</a> in action with this:<br />
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/realsocialist" target="_blank"> realsocialist </a></span></h3>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 11:50AM</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">Jonathan Boyd is acting director of JPR, the Institute for Jewish Policy Research in London. Well he would have an unbias view would&#8217;t he.</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">Same old, same old, defending the indefensible with the anti-semitisim card,<br />
how original,</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">And here&#8217;s an insight into the truly alternate universe of the Guardianista:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/dissidentstockbroker" target="_blank"> </a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/dissidentstockbroker" target="_blank"> dissidentstockbroker </a></span></h3>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 12:02</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">Whatwasthat: &#8220;In the UK they (Jews) are persecuted by the media&#8230;&#8221;</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">Horseshit.</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">The media is disproportionately pro-Israel, and I would challenge you to find any mainstream media outlet that is not.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">Errr. The Guardian and BBC spring to mind for starters. </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Then we have another example of a Guardianista that engages in antisemitic discourse yet is at pains to deny that there is anything antisemitic in what he or she is saying.<br />
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/JLEEGAM" target="_blank">JLEEGAM </a></span></h3>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 12:28PM</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">Interesting what you are saying is that we should limit freedom of speech to ensure we do not say anything which in a worst case scenario may inspire some extremists to react violently even if what we say clearly doesn&#8217;t directly or indirectly call for this&#8230;&#8230;..So are you advocating the banning of all religions? Particularly as I would say some religious texts <strong>directly</strong> call for violent action and certainly indirectly call for it. By your measure you are inferring that Judaism should be silenced&#8230;I think that is wrong- I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of expression, unfortunately that means we occasionally get extremists that take this too far, our role in society is to oppose them, this does not mean blindly supporting their opposition!</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">There are serious concerns about Israeli apartheid-esque foreign policy which make a great many people, myself included, Incredibly angry. There are also serious concerns about the strength of the highly influential Israeli lobby (how else would they get away with annexation, oppression and genocide). Our media is allowed, and I believe has an obligation, to raise these concerns <strong>only</strong> if it does so in an accurate and objective way which clarifies the line between aggressive Zionism and Judaism (one of which I vehemently oppose the other I have no objection to). I watched this show after reading this article and I was incredibly surprised by the balance and quality of the reporting. It was made abundantly clear that Judaism is incredibly split over this issue and opposing Israeli policies means just that and not opposing Judaism. I hope more programs like this get into the public eye!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">And here&#8217;s some antisemitic revisionism from raymonddelauney.</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/raymonddelauney" target="_blank"> </a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/raymonddelauney" target="_blank"> raymonddelauney </a></span></h3>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 12:33</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">BonniePrinceCharlie</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#888888;">They condemn Israel for seeking to defend itself but have no problem with other states trying to wipe it off the face of the earth &#8211; as they have been doing since the foundation of the state.</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">Actually Palestine is the only country</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">wiped from the map<br />
redacted<br />
erased<br />
driven into the sea</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">And any other emotive language you care to regurgitate.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">And we have yet more antisemitic revisionism from bebiking and realsocialist:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 12:37</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#888888;">the notion that Israel is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">that&#8217;s a zionist myth, one of the most extreme nationalistic myths there are: the palestinians are probably the real jews</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://mondediplo.com/2008/09/07israel" target="_blank">http://mondediplo.com/2008/09/07israel</a></span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">Israel deliberately forgets its history<br />
An Israeli historian suggests the diaspora was the consequence, not of the expulsion of the Hebrews from Palestine, but of proselytising across north Africa, southern Europe and the Middle East</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/realsocialist" target="_blank">realsocialist </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 12:54</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">Unknown Slodier.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;I didn&#8217;t know Palestine was a country? Who was their prime minister or president?&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Straight out of Hasbara quote book.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Israel was not a country in any moderen sense until The Leauge of Nations were<br />
bullied, browbeat, bribed into establishing it. They gave away land that was not theirs to give.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">This is then followed up with Nazi analogies from climberdave who again falls into the camp of those that freely expresses antisemitic sentiments while at the same time claiming not to be antisemitic.</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/climberdave" target="_blank"> </a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/climberdave" target="_blank"> climberdave </a></span></h3>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 12:40</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">I do not like the policies of the Israeli state, I find them abhorant and frankly a form of ethnic cleansing and genocide. To base the premise of a state to be composed almost totally of one ethnic group and to effectively imprison another whole ethnic group and surround them by walls is akin to what was attempted by communism in Germany and on a smaller scale by Nazism towards the Jewish people and other groups.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">To blockade a whole population into the situation that exists in the Gaza Strip and then to respond with over whelming force when the pressue builds and rockets fly and then to claim provication for that is not on. The provication comes from the Israeli side by building the walls and placing the road blocks to being with.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">I do not however link Judism with the actions and policies state of Israel. I am anti-Israel&#8230;. so I just don&#8217;t see how such critisism and a review of the policies of Israel can be regarded or labelled as such. Its a word used that makes people stop. We have all been taught or remember the horrors of the holocaust and to use anti-semitism envokes that memory, to use it as a gag against legitamate concern of Israeli actions and policies is horrific.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">And then we have some good old fashioned Israel demonization:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/bailliegillies" target="_blank"> </a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/bailliegillies" target="_blank"> bailliegillies </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 12:45</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;"><strong>And you wonder why, after the Arabs and Palestinians rejected Partition and said they would drive the Jews into the sea, that the Zionists decided to use force?</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><strong>Keo2008</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">No Mr Keo, <strong>UN 181 needed ratification by the UN Security council, which the Americans knew it wasn&#8217;t going to get as the Russians would veto it and Britain and France would abstain, which is why they tok it back to the General Assembly, to renegotiate the conditions to make them more acceptable because at the end of the day what they were doing was stealing a country.</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Which is why the government of Israel is so desperate to get the Palestinian administration/president to ackowledge and legitimise the state of Israel. Becuse until such times as the original people of the land accept that Israel is a de facto state it&#8217;s legitmacy will always be in question and it will remain a colony in another people&#8217;s land.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">No such recognition is ever likely to be forthcoming as any Palestinian leader to do so would not survie the night as his life would be worthless.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Israel can attempt to rewrite history as much as it wants but the documents are there for all to see and in safe keeping, despite the many attempts by various Israeli governments to have them destroyed.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">So Israel remains an illegal colony, just as Rhodesia, South Africa and all others in the past and it&#8217;s future will not be decide in the chancellories of the west but by the people of the Middle East. It won&#8217;t matter how much the politicians in Washington and London bend over and allow their countrties to be shafted for the greater glory of zionism, ultimately it will come down to Israel&#8217;s neighbours, whether or not they are prepared to accept and acknowledge the out of control and rogue colonial enterprise in their midst as legitimate.</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/Papalagi" target="_blank">Papalagi </a></span></h3>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 1:08PM</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#888888;">Don`t forget the &#8220;Blood lible&#8221; of ,Mohammed al Durrah.The British media has form on this sort of thing.</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">This was no blood libel. The film about Al Durrah may not be true, a falsification, or it may be true. We just don&#8217;t know with certainty. But this is no blood libel. We also wouldn&#8217;t call Israeli propaganda or possible lies &#8220;blood libel&#8221;. You also have to consider that Israeli soldiers killed many Palestinian children. If you want to have an idea about how the media in Israel and in the ME functions, read the book by the Dutch journalist Joris Luyendijk who was a media correspondent in the region.</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/Joshuacohen2003" target="_blank"> </a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/Joshuacohen2003" target="_blank"> Joshuacohen2003 </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 3:10</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">Jonathon Boyd &#8211; can you honestly not tell the difference between Jewish and Israeli and Zionist?<br />
Why does showing the reaility of pro-israeli and pro-zionsit tactis make someone ant-semitic?<br />
people like you are so pathetic&#8230;##oh no don&#8217;t say anything bad about the terrorist oppresive regime of Israel!!##</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">How how this?<br />
http://bit.ly/27k0Q THE COMPLETE GUIDE TO KILLING NON-JEWS, by Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira [link disabled]</span></p>
<h3><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/Spoutwell" target="_blank">Spoutwell </a></h3>
<p>19 Nov 2009, 1:09PM</p>
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<p>&#8220;There was no effort throughout the programme to contextualise Operation Cast Lead in Gaza&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;Operation Cast Lead&#8217;? Shouldn&#8217;t that be Operation Phosphorus on innocent children?</p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">And when epidermoid pointed out that Spoutwell&#8217;s comment was antisemitic, epidermoid&#8217;s comment got deleted. Spoutwell&#8217;s comment remains undeleted.</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/epidermoid" target="_blank"> </a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/epidermoid" target="_blank"> epidermoid </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 1:21PM</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#888888;">Operation Phosphorus on innocent children?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Vicious ignorant malice. Pure anti semitism.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">And take a look at this comment. It seems that the commenter is advocating that the Jews of Israel be wiped out.</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/allsobrook" target="_blank">allsobrook </a></span></h3>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 1:14PM</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">South Africa used to be a &#8216;Christian national state&#8217; &#8211; something non-Christian South Africans found unpalatable, insulting and repressive.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">All but one religious denomination proved instrumental in campaigning for change and, in the wake of appalling racial prejudice, recognized the utter lack of tolerance and mutual respect entailed in a political constitution rooted in religion division. Hence a secular constitution, and secular state.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Religious division produced the Holocaust. Religious division produced Israel.<br />
What a brilliant solution to intolerance.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">How did Jews in the USA feel when Bush went around insinuating that he was the leader of a Christian state?</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">Then we have a variation on the theme that the Jews are responsible for 9/11 with this:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/ijcd36" target="_blank"> </a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/ijcd36" target="_blank"> ijcd36 </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 2:15</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">There is a difference between anti-semitism and anti-zionism.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">It was Zionist &#8216;terrorism&#8217; in Palestine that ultimately radicalised Muslims and provoked the formation of Al Qaeda.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">It is Zionism that lies at the root of the terrorist threat not Muslim extremists.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">And take a look at this comment. Its sounds a bit like Ben White&#8217;s attempt to understand why some are antisemitic!</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/prebender" target="_blank">prebender </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 2:22PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">the idea of a shady, morally repugnant &#8220;cabal&#8221; of Jews seeking to control the world may be a myth but the idea that some morally suspect Jewish people who can never see anything wrong with the way the Israeli government behaves is not.<br />
It would appear that there is always an agenda for some people &#8211; whether it is about trying to undermine others &#8211; case in point, UN, Goldstone, Human Rights Watch or any other organisation once cares to mention &#8211; yet as soon as someone even hints at some underhand tactics being employed some idiot jumps and down about antisemitism.<br />
Read the Haaretz today and you will find that even as this clown accuses Channel 4 about antisemiticism, the Israelis are busy bulldozing the homes of others.<br />
Is there any wonder that some people talk about Jewish conspiracy &#8211; they deny others the things that they seek for themselves = whether it is access to the EU, funding from the US, access to European Universities etc<br />
why should there be one rule for one group and another for everyone else?</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">Then we have a rather Stormfrontesque comment.</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/Hantsboy" target="_blank"> Hantsboy </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 2:45PM</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">There are around 300,000 or so Jews in this country .</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">So why the song and dance about them.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Just treat them like any other minority.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">After all they&#8217;re not breeding as fast as some of the others.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><a title="Featured"> </a>And check out the barely concealed racism in this comment:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/shirl1234" target="_blank">shirl1234 </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 3:04</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">On the contrary, critics of Israel tend to be decent, intelligent, thoughtful people.<br />
People who relentlessly support Israel tend to have brutish sensibilities</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">Same old tired, dreary rhetoric &#8211; criticism of Israel equates to anti-semitism.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">Then we return to the theme of antizionism with these two posts:<br />
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/LittleRichardjohn" target="_blank"> </a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/LittleRichardjohn" target="_blank"> LittleRichardjohn </a></span></h3>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 3:58PM</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">18 Nov 2009, 4:41PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#808080;">Anti-semitism : opposition to people because of jewish ancestry or religion.<br />
This is a form of racialism and completely unjustifiable.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#808080;">Anti-zionism : opposition to the belief that people of jewish ancestry or religion are better than everyone else. This is a form of opposition to racialism and acceptable to all those who believe that all men are created equal.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Not only that, but some of Judaism&#8217;s most devoted and fundamentalist believers are opposed to the state of Israel on theological grounds, and oppose the miliatry and economic attacks on Gaza and Lebanon.<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yatft3l" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/yatft3l</a></span></p>
<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/365days">365days </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 5:54PM</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">The West&#8217;s support for everything Israel does to its Palestinian prison population is the black hole in our leaders claims to moral superiority, democratic values, enlightenment, defence of human rights, etc.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">But if you fear you might be secretly anti-semitic, take comfort from Philip Weiss, an anti-zionist Jewish American who argues for a one-state solution:<br />
http://mondoweiss.net/<br />
also Muzzlewatch, Jewish Americans &#8220;tracking efforts to stifle open debate about US-Israeli foreign policy&#8221;.<br />
http://www.muzzlewatch.com/</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">And what would a thread like this be without deleted pro-Israel comments.</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/unkonwnsoldier" target="_blank">unkonwnsoldier </a></span></h3>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 12:19PM</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">gondwanaland said &#8220;The truth is the British media is very biased towards Israel and always has been. &#8220;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Really? Wow, then I guess the term war criminal must be a term of endearment.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Then you said &#8220;There are more than 60 million people in this country, and 90% couldn&#8217;t give a toss about Israel or Palestine. I imagine the Dispatches program was watched by very few people even if it&#8217;s a big story on CIF. &#8220;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Well considering that a half dozen professional unions across the UK if not more, including major academic unions, hospitals and more are all trying to boycott Israel. You may think that it is only a very small &#8220;minority&#8221; of people that couldn&#8217;t give a toss about Israel or Palestine,&#8221; but like it or not it has become a major issue in the UK media and daily life.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Then you said that &#8220;Jews are extremely well integrated into this country and shall continue to be so. There will be no Jewish exodus from Britain, and it&#8217;s hard to see why those who do wish to leave would go to Israel, which is already the most dangerous place for Jews to live in the world and is likely to get much worse in the future. &#8220;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Are you Jewish?</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/QuinceTree" target="_blank"> </a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/QuinceTree" target="_blank"> QuinceTree </a> </span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 12:54</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Jonathan,<br />
Good article &#8211; of course backed up by the wave of &#8216;nasty Joo&#8217; comments that followed it!<br />
One thing that I genuinely fail to understand is why Israel attracts so much ire from the Guardianistas camp. No sane person could really believe that (even if you believe Israel to be in the wrong) Israel is worse than Sudan, N.Korea, China etc in terms of abuse of mankind. (And btw, I&#8217;m not using the argument that others are worse so Israel should not be criticised, I&#8217;m wondering why, when others are so much worse, that Guardianistas choose to attack Israel rather than others.) My current working hypothesis: Guardianistas just don&#8217;t like Jews.</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/Lenski" target="_blank"> </a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/Lenski" target="_blank"> Lenski </a></span></h3>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 2:10</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">You state &#8216;that the Zionists didn&#8217;t have hstorically the intention to share a country with the Palestinians&#8217;. Were this true, how do you account for the fact that as of 2008, Arab citizens of Israel comprise just over 20% of the country&#8217;s total population? The majority of these identify themselves as Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship.</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">In fact it is the other way round, the Palestinains won&#8217;t share land with the Jews, preferring their lands to be &#8216;judenrein&#8217;, an extremly well known (and notorious)German phrase that even so many readers of the Grauniad might understand and even more approve of, meaning as it does, &#8216;free of Jews&#8217;</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 3:08</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">The anti-semitism as witnessed in the comments here is truly sickening and what makes it worse is that no doubt these anti-semites consider themselves &#8220;left wing&#8221; and &#8220;non-racist&#8221;. Genuine non-racists will be appalled that Jew hatred is now a default position amongst the hard left/Islamist alliance in addition to traditional far right Nazi views. If I was a British Jew I would be giving serious thought to moving to Israel or America or any country where anti-semitism isn&#8217;t so prevalent. Why can&#8217;t the far left see themselves for the bigoted racists they are??</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/drawnintoit" target="_blank"> </a><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/drawnintoit" target="_blank"> drawnintoit </a></span></h3>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 3:19PM</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;On the contrary, critics of Israel tend to be decent, intelligent, thoughtful people.<br />
People who relentlessly support Israel tend to have brutish sensibilities&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Well, here&#8217;s a few &#8220;decent&#8221; and &#8220;intelligent thoughtful&#8221; comments from those &#8220;critical&#8221; of Israel who apparently are so distinct from those who ever even think of buying into antisemitic rhetoric&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">The Israel lobby in the US is well known. Its far too powerful for our own good. Even mentioning it exists can get you into trouble.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;Anti-semitism&#8221; is a gag, not a statement.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;If all else fails, libel your critics.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;And yes, there is certainly a Jewish lobby in the Netherlands.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;that sibling child of the zionists lobby, neo conservativism.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">!Screaming &#8220;Anti &#8211; Semitic&#8221; at the top of your voice every time someone says something you don&#8217;t agree with will only work for so long.<br />
Hasn&#8217;t anyone ever told you about the boy who cried wolf?&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;Why are British citizens lobbying on behalf of another country? If the lobbyists aren&#8217;t British citizens, why are our politicians listening to them? If they are British, shouldn&#8217;t they think about emigrating to the country they seem to prefer? &#8220;</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">19 Nov 2009, 6:05PM</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">leftwingorthodoxjew said &#8220;I haven&#8217;t had a chance to see the programme as yet but your article doesn&#8217;t seem to really address the issues and is danger of pandering to concepts of &#8220;new anti-semitism&#8221; which I think are pernicious. &#8220;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">The new anti-semitism is alive and kicking right here in the Guardian.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">It is perpetrated against any Jew who dares to voice their support his for Israel, and many that don&#8217;t in what is known as guilt by association.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">This is further then all to often translated into the &#8220;jews are guilty of crimes committed by Israel,&#8221; and of course, most severly impacts any Jew that dares to voice their support for Israel.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">For british publications, much like the Guardian, any Jew that dares to voice support their support for Israel is demonized, intimidated and accused of being an outside agitator, as we all saw in Channel 4&#8217;s Dispatches programme on Monday night.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">And to think the comments above only represented a small snapshot of what went on in the thread. </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="color:#000000;">Shameful. Utterly shameful. </span><br />
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<link>http://mixtapespotlight.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/jay-z-mogul-of-the-decade-the-guardianthe-observer/</link>
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<p>Spotted at <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/nov/29/jay-z-mogul-of-the-decade">guardian.co.uk</a></p>
<p>Luke Bainbridge<br />
The Observer, Sunday 29 November 2009</p>
<p>At the start of the decade, he was already a multimillion-selling superstar back home in the States, but still best known in this country for the Annie-sampling Hard Knock Life. A string of stunning albums, including The Blueprint and The Black Album followed, but while critically acclaimed, they only just made the top 30 in the UK. He had his business empire encompassing Roc-A-Fella Records and his Rocawear clothing line, but Eminem and his protégé Kanye West were the household names here. But then? It might have helped that he had &#8220;the hottest chick in the game wearin&#8217; [his] chain&#8221;, but it was the furore surrounding his ultimately triumphant Glastonbury appearance in 2008 that saw Shawn Carter make the jump from cultural icon to superstar in Britain.<!--more--></p>
<p>In New York in late October, he&#8217;s on world-beating form, helped by news that, at 39, he now has more US No 1 albums than any other solo artist ever.</p>
<p>What do you think has been your crowning achievement of the Noughties? Right now? Right this second? Eleventh No 1 album, surpassing Elvis as the No 1 solo artist. I think that is a statement in itself, especially within hip-hop, where everything is about the gift of discovery – what&#8217;s new today. To be consistent and still have relevancy in hip-hop, to still be at the top of the game is a very difficult thing to achieve. You&#8217;re swimming upstream, fighting against the current. So I think The Blueprint was my most perfect album. I think Reasonable Doubt was my best album. And I think this [Blueprint 3] is the album I&#8217;m most proud of.</p>
<p>Do you have a favourite album of the decade? Oh man, let&#8217;s see. That&#8217;s very difficult. The Blueprint would be my favourite. Other than my album? Maybe Graduation [by Kanye West].</p>
<p>And you get some credit for that, too, having given Kanye his break&#8230; A bit! Ahahahhahaha! Does Glastonbury feel like a defining moment for you, now some time has passed? Yeah, I think it&#8217;s one of the highlights. I would put it up there because it felt like something new. Well, it felt like something old actually – but it felt like a chance to open the door for hip-hop again. It was almost like hip-hop had to prove itself yet again in that type of arena and performing there really brought it home.</p>
<p>Did it restore your affection for the UK as well?</p>
<p>Yeah – it was pretty much my evolution, I was pretty much on my way there anyway, but it definitely opened the doors and made it a natural transition.</p>
<p>Rock fans now have computer games like Guitar Hero. You&#8217;re involved with DJ Hero – will that have the same impact on your culture?</p>
<p>Definitely. I think we&#8217;re all frustrated DJs – we all make playlists for specific moments, whether it be the gym or a social setting. I just think we don&#8217;t have the technical skill to blend one song from the next. But I think this is the fun way to get into it, because at higher levels the game is challenging that way. You can challenge yourself; if you can do that then maybe you can take the next step into DJing.</p>
<p>What do you think the Noughties will be best remembered for?</p>
<p>Being the first generation to put a black man in office – and not just a black man, someone who&#8217;s right for the job to give a new face to America, as land of the free, home of the brave. I think at some point after 43 presidents we were becoming a bit hypocritical. I think that&#8217;s what this generation will be remembered for.</p>
<p>A year on, have you noticed a change in the country? Are things better now?</p>
<p>Here and abroad, the feeling has been restored. America was always this place where everybody wanted to be. And we were losing a bit of that. I think we finally turned the corner back on the road to being that nation that everyone looks to.</p>
<p>You talk about swimming upstream – where might you go next? I want to make it even more difficult; throw on some scuba diving gear, go 50,000 feet below and swim upstream!</p>
<p>How far can you push it?</p>
<p>It actually challenges me, it&#8217;s exciting to me, that&#8217;s the thing about being in music – I like swimming upstream. If I didn&#8217;t have to, I&#8217;d probably lose interest. It&#8217;s like being at school – when I was in 6th grade I was reading on a 12th-grade level. I lost my interest, I think that&#8217;s one of the reasons I didn&#8217;t graduate high school – it wasn&#8217;t interesting to me. As long as I&#8217;m being challenged, it&#8217;s exciting.</p>
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<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Hawkeye</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[This is a guest post by AKUS Freedman is back – after being consigned to the Siberia of CiF Belief, ]]></description>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">Freedman is back – after being consigned to the Siberia of CiF Belief, Freedman returned to his favorite topic – the evils of Israelis and their dastardly plans to oc</span><span style="color:#000000;">cupy even more of the West</span><span style="color:#000000;"> Bank in an article condemning </span><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/26/israel-occupation-jerusalem-light-railway"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:small;">the plan to build a light rail commuter system</span></span></a> </span><span style="color:#000000;">in Jerusalem.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Freedman takes care, of course, in his usual hyperbolic </span><span style="color:#000000;">and turgid </span><span style="color:#000000;">prose, to give the naïve reader who knows nothing about Jerusalem or the West Bank, the impression that this is yet another new and vast expansion of settlement activity deep into occupied territory:</span></p>
<blockquote><p><em><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;The architects of Israel&#8217;s occupation of the West Bank are highly skilled at the art of needlework, deftly stitching up land inside Israel proper and disputed territory over the <a title="Palestine facts: Israel's borders" href="http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_land_1948.php">Green Line</a> as though it was the most natural thing in the world.&#8221;</span></em></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">What has caught his eye this time</span><span style="color:#000000;"> </span><span style="color:#000000;">is </span><span style="color:#000000;">what he tries to cast as </span><span style="color:#000000;">an</span><span style="color:#000000;"> incredibly evil Zio</span><span style="color:#000000;">n</span><span style="color:#000000;">ist plan to build – </span><span style="color:#000000;">oh, horrors!</span><span style="color:#000000;">! – a “green” urban light rail connection running </span><span style="color:#000000;">from M</span><span style="color:#000000;">t.</span><span style="color:#000000;"> Herzl (more or less south of the Old City) and for </span><span style="color:#000000;">about 5 km from the center of </span><span style="color:#000000;">Jerusalem</span><span style="color:#000000;"> to a couple of suburbs, French Hill (HaGivah HaTzarfatit) and Pisgat Ze’ev to relieve the incredible congestion on the roads leading to those popular suburbs.</span><span style="color:#000000;"> </span><span style="color:#000000;">Ultimately, it will have a total length of 22 km, according to the planning document, from </span><span style="color:#000000;">Ein</span><span style="color:#000000;"> </span><span style="color:#000000;">Kerem</span><span style="color:#000000;"> in the south to </span><span style="color:#000000;">Neve</span><span style="color:#000000;"> </span><span style="color:#000000;">Ya’akov</span><span style="color:#000000;"> in the North.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">To give an indication of the distances involved in the section from downtown to the two suburbs Freedman is complaining about, I have added the attached map, erasing some of the many roads that densely pack that area for clarity. The more distant suburb, Pisgat Ze’ev, lies all of about 5 or 6 km from the city center and both suburbs are </span><span style="color:#000000;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">ALREADY CONNECTED </span></strong></span><span style="color:#000000;">by a congested web of roads to the rest of Jerusalem. </span></p>
<p><img src="https://docs.google.com/File?id=dg6gcr8n_38j72ppfch_b" alt="pisgat zeev - Google Maps copy.jpg" width="248" height="446" /></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">A</span><span style="color:#000000;">ccording to a </span><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.rakevetkala-jerusalem.org.il/images/Eng_brochure.pdf"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:small;">planning document</span></span></a></span><span style="color:#000000;"> via a link provided by Freedman in an attempt to demonstrate the full iniquity of the scheme</span><span style="color:#000000;">, this evil attempt to occupy even more of the West Bank has the following dreadful purposes:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;">• To encourage use of mass transportation;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">• To promote operational efficiency and economic feasibility;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">• Renewal and development of the city center;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">• To reduce noise and air pollution;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">• To bring pedestrians and businesses back to the city’s center;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">• To relieve traffic congestion throughout the city</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Never mind that t</span><span style="color:#000000;">hese</span><span style="color:#000000;"> desirable</span><span style="color:#000000;"> goals are typical of those driving urban development in major cities around the world –only a sick mind could use this people-friendly initiative as yet another attempt to blacken Israel’s name.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Freedman&#8217;s </span><span style="color:#000000;">own chutzpah comes to the fore when </span><span style="color:#000000;">he does his best to mislead the reader into thinking that this is some new </span><span style="color:#000000;">conspiratorial </span><span style="color:#000000;">attempt to occupy additional territory on the WB:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<blockquote><p><em><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;All that is required is a healthy dose of chutzpah, combined with a drip-drip effect in which a steady stream of expropriating activities are undertaken at a slow but relentless pace, in the hope that insufficient feathers are ruffled to put a halt to the overarching campaign of annexation&#8230;</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="color:#000000;">Under the guise of a desire to ease traffic congestion on Jerusalem&#8217;s streets, the project bears all the hallmarks of previous efforts to stake a permanent and intractable claim to areas that once might have been considered as appropriate territory to concede as part of a permanent settlement with the Palestinians.&#8221;</span></em></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Despite the impression Freedman tries to give, these are not new “settlements”, and there is nothing new about linking them to downtown Jerusalem – all that will be done </span><span style="color:#000000;">is</span><span style="color:#000000;"> to provide alternative transport options to the citizens. </span><span style="color:#000000;">The rail system will </span><span style="color:#000000;">simply </span><span style="color:#000000;">add a more eco- and people friend alternative </span><span style="color:#000000;">transport</span><span style="color:#000000;"> system to </span><span style="color:#000000;">relieve</span><span style="color:#000000;"> the horrendous </span><span style="color:#000000;">road </span><span style="color:#000000;">congestion between those suburbs </span><span style="color:#000000;">a</span><span style="color:#000000;">nd the downtown </span><span style="color:#000000;">Jerusalem</span><span style="color:#000000;">. </span><span style="color:#000000;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">This rail link adds nothing to settlement activity on the West Bank</span></strong></span><span style="color:#000000;">, and runs between long settled, existing suburbs</span><span style="color:#000000;"> connected to Jerusalem by major road arteries</span><span style="color:#000000;"> that Israel has repeatedly said are not negotiable </span><span style="color:#000000;">and which</span><span style="color:#000000;"> were annexed by Israel in 1980. </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">There has never been the slightest intention on Israel’s part, whether Freedman or “the world” thinks this is wrong, to “concede” French Hill or Pisgat Zeev as part of a permanent agreement with the Palestinians, and it is foolish (or worse) to try to mislead the Guardian’s readers into thinking otherwise. </span><span style="color:#000000;">Construction in French Hill began in 1969</span><span style="color:#000000;">.</span><span style="color:#000000;"> I stayed with friends there in 1972 or 1973 when it was already a densely occupied suburb. </span><span style="color:#000000;">It lies about 3 congested kilometers from the Old City and Central Jerusalem, a stone’s throw, so to speak, from Mt Scopus, and about 1 km at most over the Green Line. Pisgat </span><span style="color:#000000;">Zeev</span><span style="color:#000000;"> was built </span><span style="color:#000000;">between </span><span style="color:#000000;">1982 &#8211; 1985,</span><span style="color:#000000;"> and a quick search on Wiki gives the population as 50,000.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">O</span><span style="color:#000000;">f course, there will be those </span><span style="color:#000000;">like Freedman </span><span style="color:#000000;">who claim that even if these suburbs were built 1 mm over the old Green Line, let alone 1 km, that is 1 mm too much. Realistically, however, it is clear to all that these suburbs will remain part of Israel in the event that an agreement is ever reached with the Palestinians. Moreover, the impression that Freedman tries to give, of remote and geographically large areas, is, of course, totally false, as you can see from the map or by looking at maps of the area on-line.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Freedman </span><span style="color:#000000;">calls for massive opposition to this railway</span><span style="color:#000000;">, as if, without French Hill and </span><span style="color:#000000;">Givat</span><span style="color:#000000;"> </span><span style="color:#000000;">Zeev</span><span style="color:#000000;"> the Palestinians </span><span style="color:#000000;">will never be able to form a state</span><span style="color:#000000;">:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<blockquote><p><em><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;&#8230;all interested parties should be doing their utmost to oppose anything that further cements an Israeli presence in the area. To sit back and do nothing is to be complicit with the insidious plans of those who seek never to accommodate Palestinian needs in terms of their statehood.&#8221; </span></em></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">As usual, the Guardian’s sub-head editors are only too eager to help take his plea for opposition a step further:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<blockquote><p><em><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;The Jerusalem light railway is set to link to illegal settlements such as French Hill. Palestinians need help stopping it&#8221;</span></em></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">P</span><span style="color:#000000;">erhaps the reason for Freedman’s ire is that this light rail system will only serve Jewish residents of the area</span><span style="color:#000000;"> and the Palestinians will not benefit</span><span style="color:#000000;">? </span><span style="color:#000000;">Not so, in </span><span style="color:#000000;">fact.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Freedman, never shy about tooting his own horn, gives a </span><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/feb/08/fearbuildswalls"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:small;">link</span></span></a></span><span style="color:#000000;"> to one of his own articles from a year ago in which he wrote that Arabs are m</span><span style="color:#000000;">o</span><span style="color:#000000;">ving into French Hill</span><span style="color:#000000;"> without noticing the irony in the use of his own words</span><span style="color:#000000;">:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<blockquote><p><em><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;The district of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Hill">French Hill</a>, which is technically over the <a href="http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_land_1948.php">Green Line</a> but in reality bears little resemblance to the typical &#8220;settlement&#8221; stereotype, has seen a steep rise in the number of Arabs seeking to move into its neighbourhood in recent years. Not wanting to be caught on the &#8220;wrong&#8221; side of the security wall, many Arab families have <a href="http://jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/2008012420080124jerusalem.html">sought homes</a> on the Israeli side of the barrier, in order to ensure their Israeli IDs aren&#8217;t revoked, as well as to avoid hours-long delays at checkpoints as they commute to and from work.&#8221;</span></em></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Thus, this rail system will serve Arabs and Jews alike, who live in the</span><span style="color:#000000;"> mixed community of French Hill (and </span><span style="color:#000000;">its</span><span style="color:#000000;"> sister community of Tzameret Habira, which is also experiencing an influx of Arab </span><span style="color:#000000;">families</span><span style="color:#000000;">, according to friends who live there</span><span style="color:#000000;">)</span><span style="color:#000000;"> as well as ultra-orthodox trying to </span><span style="color:#000000;">escape</span><span style="color:#000000;"> from the congestion of other suburbs</span><span style="color:#000000;">.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">The </span><span style="color:#000000;">duplicity</span><span style="color:#000000;"> exhibited by Freedman in </span><span style="color:#000000;">his latest</span><span style="color:#000000;"> attempt to blacken </span><span style="color:#000000;">Israel’s</span><span style="color:#000000;"> name in the English press by taking advantage of the limited knowledge of the area that most CiF readers have was well summed up by this comment on the accompanying thread:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/GaryWilson">GaryWilson </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">26 Nov 2009, 5:33PM</span></p>
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<p><strong><span style="color:#000000;">Will someone please tell me what the point of this article is?</span></strong></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">That Israel reunited Jerusalem forty years ago, <strong>and Seth Freedman just found out?</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">That Israel formally annexed the eastern part of the city that had been occupied by Jordan, and that the city has been subject to Israeli law for 30 years <strong>and Freedman just found that out?</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">That most countries do not recognize Israel&#8217;s annexation though they do recognize the de facto Israeli jurisdiction of the city, <strong>and Freedman has just found that out?</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">That Jerusalem is the most holy city in Judaism, and under Israeli rule has been open, for the first time in centuries, to worship by Jews, Moslems and Christians. <strong>and Freedman probably doesn&#8217;t know that?</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">That Jews have pined for centuries for their return to their holy city, the ancient capital of Israel, <strong>and Freedman must have known that for years?</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">That Jerusalem is the seat of Israel&#8217;s parliament, its government, it&#8217;s ministries and offices, and is therefore its capital, <strong>and Freedman must know that?</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">And that the Municipality of Jerusalem has been constructing the city for the past 40 years, during which the city&#8217;s population has grown by 350 percent, and the proportion of Arabs in the city has grown from 26.5% in 1967 to 30.5% in 2005, <strong>and Freedman probably doesn&#8217;t know this..</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">That despite all this, previous Israeli governments (under prime ministers Olmert and Barak) indicated a willingness to share Jerusalem with a future Palestinian state by handing Arab East Jerusalem over to the Palestinians, but the Palestinians have rejected the offer, <strong>and Freedman has yet to discover that?</strong></span></p>
<p><strong><span style="color:#000000;">So, considering all of this, what exactly is Freedman&#8217;s point?</span></strong></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="color:#000000;">[emphasis added]</span><br />
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><em><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#000000;">Well, Gary – the point is that this despicable “as-a-Jew” will use</span> any stick, no matter how feeble, to try to whip up  adulation from his one-time supporters, who are getting more and more disenchanted with his bias, pathetic commentary, and irrelevancy.</span></em><em><span style="font-size:small;"> Unfortunately for him and his dreams, his articles are increasingly ignored by those tired of him and his moanin</span></em><em><span style="font-size:small;">g, griping, whining, and hatred for anything and everything to do with Israel.</span></em></span></p>
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<p>Cameron got it wrong with his attempt to smear a couple of local authorities and the government with a scare about nursery schools linked to terrorism. Most of us knew or guessed that was a wrong&#8217;un at the time. Hizb ut-Tahrir were identified for a ban after the London atrocities. A Christmas Eve, 2005, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/dec/24/religion.uk"><em>Observer</em></a> article, with a Gaby Hinscliff by-line, described why that didn&#8217;t happen:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#800080;">Plans to ban Hizb ut-Tahrir, the radical Islamic group, have been dropped in the past few days following intense discussions between Number 10 and legal advisers. Counter-terrorism sources said Tony Blair had been warned that banning the group, which campaigns for Britain to become a caliphate &#8211; a country subject to Islamic law &#8211; would serve only as a recruiting agent if the group appealed against the move.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>The sub-text there is that Hizb ut-Tahrir and all its works are on a <em>very</em> tight string to the securocrats. Yet Cameron blundered on.</p>
<p><span style="color:#339966;"><strong>Scapegoat time!</strong></span></p>
<p>Which makes it Michael Gove&#8217;s turn to be fed to the reptiles. As he duly was <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/education/article6934174.ece?">in today&#8217;s <em>Times</em></a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#800080;">Mr Gove unwittingly fed his leader a stinker.  Mr Cameron had asked his trusted ally to help him to flesh out an attack on  Labour’s failure to tackle extremist Muslim groups. </span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">Seeing that two schools linked to Hizb ut Tahrir had received cash from the  Early Years Pathfinder scheme which funds free nursery places, Mr Gove had  mistakenly thought that it was part of the Preventing Violent Extremism  pathfinder project that is supposed to tackle indoctrination. In fact the  two schemes are entirely separate. The error meant that Mr Cameron was  simply wrong to declare that the schools were receiving cash from an  “anti-extremist” fund when he faced Mr Brown across the dispatch box.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#800080;">The gaffe was all the more painful for the Tory leader because he had  overruled a suggestion that all the key information be double-checked.</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><!-- BEGIN: Comment Teaser Module --> <!-- END: Module - M63 - Article Related Attachements -->Now that&#8217;s <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2009/nov/26/election-season-smears-watch-out">the same point Michael White considered the previous day</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#800080;">Dave and Mike did something careless for which Tony Blair would have put them through the verbal mincer&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">You can hear Blair silkily observing that &#8220;I don&#8217;t need any lessons from the right honourable gentleman about associating with extremist groups who get public funds,&#8221; can&#8217;t you? He&#8217;d have then got stuck into those dodgy Poles and Balts whom Skinhead Billy rounded up to form Dave&#8217;s new group of not-federalist-not-nice-either MEPs at Strasbourg.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#800080;">Does it matter? Not a lot. But it&#8217;s a reminder that, repeated on a general election platform, with public emotions running high, a bad mistake is an amplified mistake. Being manifestly unfair to any particular group – except perhaps those brazen bankers – runs the risk of offending fair-minded people.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>White winds up, extrapolating this Cameron line into:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#800080;">you can&#8217;t help noticing a smell familiar to older readers: red-baiting.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Cameron in debate is remarkably sloppy (he proudly spent his time with the Bullingdon, not in the Union). Brown, by comparison, sticks far too closely to Citrine and Standing Orders. Because Cameron is allowed to get away with this fast-and-loose stuff, he pushes the limits further each time.</p>
<p>This was Cameron&#8217;s <a href="http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmhansrd/cm091111/debtext/91111-0003.htm">final sally in PMQs on 11th November</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#800080;"><strong>Mr. Cameron:</strong> This Prime Minister told us, “No more boom and bust”, yet he presided over the biggest boom and the biggest bust; he told us that we were the best prepared for the recession, yet, unlike others, we are still in recession. He has given us the fastest rising unemployment and the biggest bust. Take the official figures for public spending, take off what you are planning to spend on unemployment benefit and on debt, and departmental spending is being cut by 0.7 per cent. The Prime Minister asks about policy; we have said what we would do about public sector pay and pensions. We have the courage of our convictions; the Prime Minister has neither courage nor convictions.</span><!--Mr. Cameron--></p></blockquote>
<p>Grammarians and debaters will note that was supposed to be a &#8220;question&#8221;. One looks in vain for the question mark, or even the question indirect. Instead, the Speaker allowed Cameron to get away with a statement.</p>
<p><span style="color:#339966;"><strong>Watch this space</strong></span></p>
<p>This is overweening pride, riding for a fall. Remember: you got fair warning of that from Michael White &#8230; and Malcolm Redfellow.</p>
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<link>http://jackmelville.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/1000-songs-you-must-hear-before-you-die/</link>
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<description><![CDATA[Sir Hubert Parry The Guardian recently produced a poll asking readers to vote on the 1000 songs you ]]></description>
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<p><a title="The Guardian.co.uk" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/" target="_blank">The Guardian</a> recently produced a poll asking readers to vote on the 1000 songs you must hear before you die.</p>
<p>The earliest song considered worthy making the list was Jerusalem, recorded in 1916 by Sir  Charles Hubert Hastings Parry.</p>
<p>The 1970&#8217;s was considered to be the decade which had produced the most songs of note with 258 of the total coming between &#8216;70 and &#8216;79.</p>
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<p>Perhaps unsurprisingly, the 1960&#8217;s was the second most popular decade whilst the current decade ranked fourth with 118 songs included in the list.</p>
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<p>The list does not place any onus on ranking the songs into any order so, as such, it is impossible to state which song is the most popular.</p>
<p>However, <a title="Official Bob Dylan Website" href="http://www.bobdylan.com/" target="_blank">Bob Dylan</a> features most frequently in this list with 24 songs closely followed by <a title="Official The Beatles Website" href="http://www.thebeatles.com/" target="_blank">The Beatles</a> with 19 songs indicating the two acts are considered the most important of the last century.</p>
<p>The list opens up an interesting discussion as to which is the greatest song of all time.</p>
<p><a title="The Rolling Stone 500 Greatest Songs of All Time" href="http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/500songs" target="_blank">Rolling Stone magazine</a> created its own list in 2004.</p>
<p>All information was sourced from <a title="1000 Songs You Must Hear Before You Die" href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=phNtm3LmDZEPLvF_MlyUFbQ">The Guardian Data Store.</a></p>
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<link>http://jambothejourno.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/jambothejourno-seeks-work-part-9/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Despite my mood being boosted by the <a href="http://careers.guardian.co.uk/guardian-london-graduate-fair-from-the-careers-group">Guardian London Graduate Fair</a>, at which I spoke on a panel in October, the past few weeks have been tough going and it&#8217;s often been difficult to drag myself out of bed in the morning with seemingly little to look forward to. I had hoped that there would be an influx of new jobs coming up for me to use up my post-fair newly-found enthusiasm but nothing suitable has come up and days and even weeks have slipped by with no progress.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve applied for just three full-time newspaper jobs since my last update; one for a reporter at the <a href="http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/">Bolton News</a>, for which I am grossly under-qualified and frankly am embarrassed for wasting their time applying for, and for trainee reporter jobs at the <a href="http://www.thisisretford.co.uk/">Retford Times </a>and at the John O&#8217;Groat Journal and the <a href="http://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/">Caithness Courier</a>, a twelve-hour train ride away in Wick in the very north of Scotland. I&#8217;ve not yet heard anything back from any of them.</p>
<p>I did however get a reply from the <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/jobs/jts/">BBC&#8217;s Journalism Trainee Scheme</a>, who politely wished me well but were unable to offer any feedback on why I was unsuccessful. I had planned to apply for ITV&#8217;s similar course but due to some terrible time-management and a lack of organisation somehow missed the deadline after only getting partly through the online application. I&#8217;d had it in my head I had another week — I need to keep a better diary in future.</p>
<p>An intriguing proposition I did throw my name into the hat for is to join the <a href="http://fleetstreetblues.blogspot.com/2009/11/write-about-football-for-guardian.html">Guardian fans&#8217; network</a> for the 2010 football World Cup. However, although I genuinely believe myself to be an able candidate, I know there is going to be huge competition for the role so I&#8217;m not going to hold my breath.</p>
<p>Most recently, I responded to a post on <a href="http://www.journalism.co.uk/">journalism.co.uk</a> advertising news correspondent jobs for <a href="http://www.journalism.co.uk/75/articles/536657.php">Adfero&#8217;s DirectNews</a>. Agency work isn&#8217;t something I&#8217;d ever really considered as my aim was always to be in a busy newsroom, but the chance to write a lot of copy on a daily basis and hone my news writing skills was something I didn&#8217;t feel I could turn down. I got an email back asking me to complete a news writing test, which I did earlier this week — it was basically two press release re-writes in an hour — and was then invited to a recruitment day in Manchester on Friday where there will be more assessments and, if I&#8217;m still in the running, interviews later in the day.</p>
<p>Researching the company has been difficult, mostly because of the numerous horror stories from ex-employees about their time there. It seems the turnover of staff is quite high which is rarely a good sign. But the chance to get lots of writing experience appeals to me and the job description did mention the chance to progress through the ranks swiftly. I really think it would be a good move for me. Although the work would no doubt be tough that doesn&#8217;t worry me. I think it would certainly develop my writing and the speed in which I can work, although admittedly my newsgathering skills may not progress with the job wholly office-based.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I was asked by the site owner of the <a href="http://backpagefootball.com/">Back Page Football</a> website if I&#8217;d like to write for them, so I&#8217;ve added them to the list of places I&#8217;m being published, with a semi-regular column. And <a href="http://listrock.blogspot.com/">I set up a blog</a> where I can do some writing just really for myself, for fun, rather than the work I&#8217;ve been doing for various sites for free.</p>
<p>I also did a lot of research on post-grad courses to see if any were suitable for me. There are some very attractive NCTJ-accredited courses that would get me fully-qualified, but at over £5,000 the most reputable are well out of my price range. I tentatively enquired at <a href="http://www.lambethcollege.ac.uk/lambeth_college/creative_arts_and_media/journalism.cfm">Lambeth College</a>, which I&#8217;d read good things about and was coincidentally the cheapest, but was informed that as I have already studied to NCTJ-level in some subjects and have passed half the exams already, it would not be suitable for me and they couldn&#8217;t offer me a place. I&#8217;m not sure where that leaves me as the response is likely to be similar from most places.</p>
<p>So at the moment everything is riding on Friday at Adfero. Wish me luck.</p>
<p>This is the latest of my pieces for <a href="http://careers.guardian.co.uk/jambothejourno-seeks-work-part-9">the Guardian.</a></p>
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<description><![CDATA[The latest Benny Morris thread provided a veritable collection of comments that underscore just why ]]></description>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">The latest <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/nov/24/obama-nuclear-spring-israel-iran#start-of-comments" target="_blank">Benny Morris thread</a> provided a veritable collection of comments that underscore just why &#8220;Comment is Free&#8221; is a cesspit of antisemitic discourse.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">One of the last comments in the thread provides a perfect example of the type of commenter that is attracted to &#8220;Comment is Free&#8221;:</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">25 Nov 2009, 7:47PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">These forums are moderated and censored because you do not have true freedom of speech in the UK.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Questioning the Holocaust is a crime in the UK. What happened during the 1940s that the Zionist-dominated UK government is trying so hard to hide?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Orwell&#8217;s England exists today and you are living in it.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">And when we take a look at a comment posted on <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&#38;source=web&#38;ct=res&#38;cd=1&#38;ved=0CAgQFjAA&#38;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adl.org%2Fpoisoning_web%2Fblack.asp&#38;rct=j&#38;q=stormfront+and+adl&#38;ei=UFwPS_jcCo6ulAfaq4SgBA&#38;usg=AFQjCNGUnqQEUYGmKapvxrW6VcBz0_Wpmw&#38;sig2=fsl6PsCJbpJDKfNpospeGg" target="_blank">Stormfront</a>, ask yourself if Gregory Fegel&#8217;s comment above is so different in substance.<br />
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<div><span style="color:#000000;">10-01-2008, 11:54 AM</span></div>
<div><span style="color:#000000;">Pretty long winded, but you bring up some good points.<br />
One question I&#8217;ve always had with the Holocaust and the death camps is; Is it outside the realm of possibility to believe that a Zionist dominated government (the USSR) could have manipulated the facts, camps, etc. to make it appear as though there was a genocide to suit their political ambitions in the future? I&#8217;ve never heard any information as to what happened to the &#8220;extermination camps&#8221; after the Soviets controlled them for over four decades. Surely the Soviets could have toyed with the camps, if they wanted to. Also, Auschwitz was liberated in January &#8216;45, a month before the Yalta Conference. Surely Zionists, like Morgenthau, would have cited the discovered gas chambers, crematoria, etc. as grounds to implement his extreme policy. As far as I know he never did, I&#8217;ve been trying to find the minutes of the Yalta Conference to confirm this. Anyone have any thoughts or other information?</span></div>
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<div><span style="color:#000000;">Anyway, let&#8217;s delve into the Morris thread and see how the comments there compare to other comments posted on Stormfront.<br />
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<div><span style="color:#000000;">Well for starters, from the school of Holocaust denial, we have denial of a slightly different form &#8211; denial that Ahmadinejad threatened to <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4384264.stm" target="_blank">wipe Israel off the map</a>. Here&#8217;s a comment on the Benny Morris thread that engages in such discourse:</span></div>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">24  Nov 2009, 1:54PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">From the article</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Iran&#8217;s nuclear weapons programme</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">As far as i know, there is no credible evidence that they have one.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><strong>isotope</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Ahmadinejad called for Israel&#8217;s annihilation</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Did he really? Citation? Translated from the original Parsi by whom?</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Now take a look at a similar comment from Stormfront:</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><strong>Re: No peaceful solution to </strong><strong>Iran</strong><strong>&#8217;s nuclear ambitions</strong></span></p>
<hr size="1" noshade="noshade" /><span style="color:#000000;">What Dr. Ahmadinejad said was not to wipe Israel off the map, but to erase the current Likud party and it&#8217;s insane policies.<br />
The mistranslation has become the money shot for all the Jew mouthpieces.</span></p></blockquote>
<div><span style="color:#000000;">Then we have this very telling comment from lovemymod that makes a bit of a freudian slip with a reference to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan" target="_blank">Hitler&#8217;s plan to deport the Jews to Madagascar</a>:</span></div>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">24  Nov 2009, 7:21AM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">wouldn&#8217;t it be absolutely wonderful if after the war Jews had set up their homeland in Madagascar.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">not only would Madagascar not have been reduced to an ecological wasterland but we wouldn&#8217;t be having a mano-a-mano with Armagedon. choosing to settle in Israel might end up being the worst decision in history.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Now compare this with a comment from Stormfront about the Madagascar plan.<br />
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<div id="post_message_4258945"><span style="color:#000000;">As we all know Adolf Hitler was a man of peace and he deeply felt for his fellow officer for all of you who have been reading their TRUE history books and not that crap at high school, I was wanting to get some feedback of how Hitler was wanting to deport the jews to madagascar and not murder them.<br />
I have read meny books on WW2 and I am starting to think that most of the murders and so forth was the allies faults not the germans because Hitler did want peace the king of England wanted peace (the king also supported lord hallifax)<br />
So in a nut shell if England didnt interfere and the soviets were not backstabbers would of this whole mess happen??</span></div>
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<div><span style="color:#000000;">And here&#8217;s an example of a comment from the Morris thread straight out of the Protocols:</span></div>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/WhatRecession" target="_blank">WhatRecession </a></span></h3>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">24  Nov 2009, 11:21AM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;"><em>voiceofisrael<br />
After we contain the nuclear problem (by ensuring that it doesn?t grow) we can get down to discussing how to reduce or even eliminate nuclear weapons in Britain, Russia, the US, France, China, India, and Pakistan, and possibly in Israel</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;We&#8221;?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;We&#8221; arent on the same side. The Israelis are just war mongerers hell bent on making sure that the West is at war with every middle east country.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Here&#8217;s an equivalent comment on Stormfront:</span></p>
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<div id="post_message_5360613"><span style="color:#000000;">If it wasn&#8217;t for Israel and Jews constantly provoking other peoples and taking aggressive actions.. there would be hardly any conflict in the world.Most groups in the world want to be left alone, and dont&#8217; want to rule over other people.  Countries like China, Iran, Russia, Korea etc.. seem to all be able to get along with each other. And this is despite being radically different cultures, races and religions.</span></div>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">The next comment from the Morris thread reflects the knee jerk manner in which the guardianistas whitewash Iran&#8217;s atrocious record when it comes to &#8220;attacking other countries&#8221; painting Israel at the same time as some fanatical regime.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">24  Nov 2009, 9:30AM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">I see the prozionist trolls are out in force this morning.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Fact, Iran has never attacked another country except in self defence against Iraq, the latter being supported by the West with money and arms.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Nuclear weapons are already in the hands of racist zealots i.e. those who run Israel. We should fear those nutters far far more than any Iranian Mullah. This article is scaremongering rubbish and Morris should be ashamed of spreading the propaganda. There are no nuclear weapons in Iran and the IAEA have only queries on historical Iranian research activities [based on Western allegations] that they want answers for. If you have additional evidence, other than the Zionist bull you read, please send it to the IAEA. To attack Iran would be folly.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Israel should be subject to the same oversight as Iran when it comes to nuclear weapons. Why should they be exempted?</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">And it seems that on Stormfront there is similar sympathy for the Iranian regime.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><strong>Re: No peaceful solution to </strong><strong>Iran</strong><strong>&#8217;s nuclear ambitions</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">Well they are developing nuclear technologies for civilian power plants. There is no evidence they are attempting to build nuclear bombs even though our government, the media, and Israel likes to try and paint that picture.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">But as the poster said above, as the muslim in the video said, it is ridiculous to allow Israel, the war monger, an arsenal of hundreds of nuclear weapons and to claim no other nation is allowed them for defensive purposes in case of an Israeli attack.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Then we have this next comment from the Morris thread that provides another useful insight into how the guardianistas whitewash the truth about the Iranian regime.<br />
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">24  Nov 2009, 3:49PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Iran is among the world&#8217;s great nations, anciently Persia &#38; long civilized. Muslim by religion they are not Arabs.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Israel, remember, is a newcomer among the nations, a tiny country &#38; supposedly a refuge for the persecuted Jews..</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">True enough that Ahmadinejad talks a war-mongering bluster about destroying Israel entirely &#8212; fool that he is. Equally true that Israel treats Palestinians as Nazi Germany treated Jews.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Collectives as such never learn &#38; Netanyahu, a scholar&#8217;s son, is not the man to lead Israel into a promised land of peace &#38; prosperity.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Now compare twitty&#8217;s comment with this:<br />
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<div id="post_message_7339399"><span style="color:#000000;">I hope that this doesn&#8217;t sound &#8220;fruity&#8221; but we need to stand arm-in-arm with our brother Ahmadinejad in this crisis, right now! ZOG and ZOG&#8217;s flunky nations want to nuke his nation, just because it is standing up to ZOG. Every sane White on the planet would want Ahmadinejad to have nuclear weapons. Iran is literally the only thing keeping ZOG from taking over the whole world right now.</span></div>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">Then we have this comment from Sumwon who wants to &#8220;de-zionise&#8221; Israel.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">24  Nov 2009, 8:41AM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Mr. Morris, you&#8217;re looking through the wrong end of the telescope. The threat to the region is zionist Israel, not Iran. Iran has not invaded any of its neighbours. Israel is the potential aggressor as it has proved by having attacked its neighbours and having stolen Palestinian land through the aggression of the zionist terrorist groups of Irgun and the Haganah. It is is now stealing more land by ethnic cleansing through the illegal settlements and home destruction. If Israel has nuclear weapons (what are they for?) then Iran has every right to take steps to defend itself from Israel, the USA and its Nato army. Ironically, it is Israel, run by a zionist regime, which is the real threat to the region by its aggressive actions and which is endangering innocent jewish lives in Israel. For peace to emerge, Israel has to be de-zionised so that jews and arabs can live peaceably together as the children of Abraham.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">And in case you were wondering where Sumwon got the idea of &#8220;de-zionisation&#8221; from, check this out:</span></p>
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“After so many years of setting the tone, bribing UK politicians and controlling the BBC they (Zionists) are used to being untouchable.” (Gilad Atzmon, “Britain Must de-Zionist Itself Immediately,” Nov. 17, 2009, MWC News). </span><span style="color:#000000;">This week the British people listened to the Daily Mall’s Peter Oborne present, on Channel 4, his devastating account of the Jewish lobby’s control of their government. Now we know that virtually all the principal politicians in the UK of both parties, like their brothers across the lake in our House and Senate, take “contributions” from the Israeli lobby machine ensuring that the Anglo-American mid-east policies follow the dictates of the Israeli government. Gilad Atzmon responded to this report in his article “Britain must de-Zionise itself immediately,” noting that this control has been in place for so many years the lobby feels “untouchable.”</span></div>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">As an aside, notice how Stormfront has picked up the Oborne documentary with glee. I wonder why that is&#8230;<br />
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">And how about this one.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">24  Nov 2009, 4:14PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">If you try that Mr Morris the Eastern Europeans masquerading as Jewish people currently occupying Palestine will not be doing so for very much longer.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Not so very different in substance from this:</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><strong>Re: Hourglass for </strong><strong>Iran</strong><strong> running out in </strong><strong>Israel</strong><strong>:</strong><strong>Iran</strong><strong> approaching it&#8217;s fate</strong></span></p>
<hr size="1" noshade="noshade" /><span style="color:#000000;">The Jews are suicidal. Please let it be the end of Israel.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Then we have this <a href="http://modernityblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/khazars-the-far-right-and-dubious-history/" target="_blank">viciously antisemitic</a> comment on the Morris thread that sparked a whole series of comments about whether Jews of Eastern European origin are actually Khazars.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">24  Nov 2009, 1:50PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">SUMWON wrote:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#808080;">For peace to emerge, Israel has to be de-zionised so that jews and arabs can live peaceably together as the children of Abraham.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">I agree with your post but with the sentence above which is factually incorrect. The Ashkenazem are Khazars from Eastern Europe who converted to Judaism in the 8th century. Genetically they have more in common with the Huns, Uigurs and Magyars than they have with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">This is the same Benny Morris when accepting Zionists ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestinians in 1948, which many Israeli so called historians do not, brushes it aside as a necessity for the creation of Israel. He has no qualms about the death of millions of people, as long as they are not Zionist Jews,</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">No surprise that this is a popular topic of discussion on Stormfront.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><strong>Re: IMPORTANT. Ashkenazis are not Jews but Khazars.</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">Ashkenazis are not infact semitic, semitic Jews are dark skinned and have Arab racial features, they&#8217;re called Shepardic and Mizharahi Jews. Ashkenazis are Khazaric-European admixture thus they share more genes with Mygars, Huns, Turks, Armenians and Europeans rather than with Arabs.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">If you can&#8217;t grasp that concept, good luck shooting those shadows.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">That is a mistake Hitler made, he confused a tiny number of religious orthodox jews going about their business with a homeless, religionless rabble race of halfbreeds from the Christian/Muslim borderland in SE  Europe, who go around the world causing disruption under the judaism flag. The word should be Khazar, not Jew.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">And lest you think that the <em>selection</em> of comments from the Morris thread above were mere aberrations, here are a few more to sink your teeth into:</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">24  Nov 2009, 6:56AM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">I should imagine Iran is as perfectly entitled to nuclear self-defence as is Israel, Pakistan, Britain, France etc..</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">I should imagine Iran is as perfectly <strong>un</strong>entitled to nuclear self-defence as is Israel, Pakistan, Britain, France etc&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Iran wants its nukes partly as a diversion from internal conflicts, and Israel wants its nukes because Israel is Israel is Israel.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">All nations get away with mass murder &#8211; Iran, Israel, the UK, the US &#8211; people are always defending this nation against that nation &#8211; but all they&#8217;re defending is the ruling class of those nations. I&#8217;m against Israel&#8217;s right to exist, along with Iran&#8217;s, etc. Identification with your &#8216;own&#8217; nation is just as colonising of individual consciousness as the Israeli fascist settlers are of the land of their Arab neighbours. &#8220;The working class has no country&#8230;&#8221; Unfortunately, if the commodity economy continues to destroy the environment and if nuclear weapons continue to be in the hands of the various rulers (&#8216;democratic&#8217; or dictatorial) who most clearly identify with this economy, then it might well be that the working class will also have no world. All analysis that doesn&#8217;t recognise this basic banality is a Manichean &#8220;either/or&#8221; mentality which takes sides with mass murderers.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">24  Nov 2009, 9:24AM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">If Iran presents such an existential threat to Israel, maybe someone can explain how it is that Iran&#8217;s Jewish minority appear to prefer to remain in Iran rather than accept Israel&#8217;s offer to migrate there for sanctuary&#8230;</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">24  Nov 2009, 9:39AM</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;UK, one of the most aggressive, self-centered and genocidal political entity in human history&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">That&#8217;s just stupid. Read a histroy book for christ sake.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">I must assume you are Israeli since many Israelis like to fantasise that they are anti-colonial heroes who liberated their &#8220;country&#8221; from the British imperial yoke rather than being racist colonists.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">24  Nov 2009, 10:01AM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">What a crock of warmongering, misleading, threatening, belligerent, stupid self-destructive rubbish. If anyone doubted Israel&#8217;s paranoic messianism, here it is. Another desperate attempt to up the ante and prepare the ground for more Israeli extreme violence and destruction. Dr Strangelove is alive and well and lives in Israel.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">24  Nov 2009, 12:51PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">I fear history will just the imposition of a zionist state in Palestine to be the greatest mistake of the 2nd half of the 20th century and beyond</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">An apartheid, land grabbing, terrorist sponsoring bunch of nutjobs who follow just as vicious and violent Abrahamic faith as Islam, Israel is just as bad as the Arab dictatorships is posits itself as an alternative too and were it not for international observation would have committed it&#8217;s own holocaust on the Palestinians a long time ago.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;">25  Nov 2009, 7:26PM</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Israel, the USA, the UK are the great enemies of peace, freedom, and justice in the world today.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Israel, the USA, the UK are using radioactive DU munitions to poison the entire planet. Israel, the USA, the UK are a grave threat to all of humanity and to the global environment, and to all species on the entire planet.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">The elimination of Israeli, USA, and UK as political and economic entities will bring a great improvement for the entire world.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Global Warming is a hoax, but Israel, the USA, the UK are a very real threat to all life on earth.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#000000;">Amazing how commenters on &#8220;Comment is Free&#8221; find such fertile ground to spread their racist filth. Then again this is the Guardian and we already know the<a href="http://yaacovlozowick.blogspot.com/2009/11/how-deep-is-rot.html" target="_blank"> rot goes all the way to the top.</a><br />
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<p><strong>What to buy:</strong> We usually don’t call for extra-virgin olive oil, but with so few ingredients in this recipe, an assertive extra-virgin olive oil will really shine.</p>
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2 pounds Yukon Gold potatoes, peeled and cut into large dice<br />
1 1/2 pounds parsnips, peeled and cut into medium dice<br />
3 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil<br />
1 tablespoon kosher salt</p>
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<li>Remove from heat, reserve 1/4 cup of the cooking liquid, drain, and return vegetables to the saucepan. Add reserved cooking liquid, olive oil, and salt and coarsely mash ingredients together. Stir until evenly combined and serve.</li>
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<description><![CDATA[Um artigo de Michel Faber, para ler no Guardian on-line. E quem ainda não conheça o livro de Robert ]]></description>
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<p>Um artigo de Michel Faber, para ler no <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/nov/21/book-of-genesis-r-crumb">Guardian on-line</a>. E quem ainda não conheça o livro de Robert Crumb, pode ver algumas das suas pranchas no site do mesmo jornal, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/gallery/2009/oct/23/robert-crumb-art">aqui</a>.</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>fernando gonçalves</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[LINK (have a nice meal)]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/26/dark-side-internet-freenet"><strong>LINK</strong></a> <span style="color:#999999;">(have a nice meal)</span></p>
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