Le divergenze fra israeliani e palestinesi possono essere superate ed in ogni caso occorre favorire la rapida ripresa di negoziati diretti e mettere da parte soluzioni di carattere unilaterale (prefigurate di recente dai dirigenti dell’Autorità nazionale palestinese): queste alcune delle tesi esposte al presidente egiziano Hosni Mubarak dal suo omologo israeliano Shimon Peres, giunto oggi al Cairo per una visita annunciata con un breve preavviso.

Secondo fonti israeliane, Peres ha esaminato con loro – oltre alla necessità di riprendere i negoziati israelo-palestinesi dopo uno stallo di oltre un anno – la lotta regionale alla consegna di armi agli integralisti islamici e un freno alle attività dell’Iran nella Regione.

Di fronte ai giornalisti, Mubarak ha mostrato un atteggiamento molto cordiale nei confronti di Peres riconoscendogli fra l’altro il merito di essersi adoperato per la restituzione all’Egitto – nel lontano 1988 – della piccola oasi turistica di Taba, affacciata sul Mar Rosso.

Peres ha cercato di placare i timori assicurando che il governo israeliano resta impegnato alla formula dei ‘Due Stati per due popoli’ e che, con la ripresa di negoziati seri, tutte le questioni – inclusa quella delle colonie – sarebbero risolte.

Fonte:
http://ticinonews.ch/articolo.aspx?id=176414&rubrica=15

Au lieu de mettre un terme à l’escalade guerrière anti-algérienne dans son pays, le président Moubarak s’est fendu d’une menace à peine voilée contre notre pays, preuve en est qu’il est à la source de tout ce qui s’est passé au Caire : agression contre l’équipe nationale algérienne, chasse aux ressortissants algériens orchestrée par les services de sécurité puis hystérie médiatique. Le raïs égyptien expérimente la technique dite de « l’agresseur qui crie à l’agressé » rodée par les Israéliens, experts mondiaux dans l’art de la confusion entre le bourreau et la victime. Ces Israéliens avec lesquels a été conclue une honteuse paix séparée, Le Caire décidant un jour de se désolidariser des autres pays arabes, plantant ainsi un coup de couteau dans le dos des Palestiniens. De trahison en trahison, jusqu’à pousser à l’asphyxie mortelle de Ghaza et de ses habitants, devant lesquels a été fermée sur ordre de Moubarak la frontière avec l’Egypte alors qu’avançaient les troupes israéliennes. En parlant – étrangement – de dignité, le raïs s’est bien gardé de voir le drapeau israélien qui flotte victorieusement sur l’ambassade située en plein cœur du Caire.

Il a pointé par contre du doigt l’Algérie, un pays qui a rempli tous ses devoirs à l’égard de la lutte des Palestiniens, y compris militaires, en envoyant des bataillons de l’ANP sur les champs de bataille lors des invasions israéliennes. En réalité, Moubarak a fomenté tout ce scénario pour un double objectif : détourner l’attention de ses 80 millions de concitoyens de leurs incroyables difficultés dans un pays qui n’arrive pas à leur assurer un minimum de conditions de vie et rendre « politiquement correcte » la préparation de son fils Gamal à sa succession. A coups de milliards tirés de la corruption, le clan Moubarak a fait main basse sur l’Egypte. La grande masse égyptienne est bâillonnée par le biais d’un appareil répressif qui n’a pas son équivalent dans le monde arabe, appuyé par un énorme système de propagande tissé autour de grands groupes de presse, surtout audiovisuels, d’apparence privés pour la plupart, mais en réalité inféodés au pouvoir.

Celui-ci ne rate aucune occasion pour se confectionner un habit de « respectabilité », l’objectif étant de plaire aux grandes capitales occidentales dont le maintien du statu quo politique en Egypte est vital à leurs yeux, car il garantit la pérennité d’Israël dans ses frontières actuelles. Le deal entre l’Occident et Le Caire est le meilleur rempart pour Israël. Il est entretenu par des milliards de dollars d’aide et une diplomatie offensive privilégiant Le Caire dans les grands forums internationaux. Le seul où l’Egypte a trébuché a été l’Unesco, précisément en raison d’une phrase anti-israélienne de son favori. L’Occident sait châtier même ses alliés les plus fidèles lorsqu’il s’agit d’Israël. Une manière d’avertir Le Caire qu’il ne saurait tolérer, pour l’avenir, une autre incartade. L’Egypte est dans un piège total

“Israel, Iran compete for international legitimacy in Brazil”
November 9-12, 2009
     Bradley Brooks writes that visits by the presidents of Israel and Iran, along with a possible visit by Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, are a sign of Brazil’s increasing influence in Middle East diplomacy. Describing Brazil as an “economic powerhouse” with ties to a broad range of countries and a growing role as a moderate voice for poor and leftist states, Brooks argues that Brazil can provide support and credibility for Iran’s government (Associated Press). Joshua Landis argues that Brazil, which has its own enrichment capacity, is concerned that the US will establish precedents for Iran that may limit other states’ enrichment programs (Syria Comment).
     In his address to the Brazilian Congress, Israeli President Shimon Peres called Iran’s policies a “global danger” and urged Brazil to “[speak] out” against “threats of destruction and terror” (Reuters). Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva told reporters that talks with “all…political and religious forces that want peace or oppose peace” were necessary to establish peace in the Middle East. Iranian President Ahmadinejad is scheduled to visit on November 23 (Associated Press (2)).
Associated Press | Syria Comment | Reuters | Associated Press (2)

Turkey is currently the main cornerstone regional power;

Erdogan next in line for Nobel Peace; (October 21, 2009)

            In December 18, 2004 I wrote “Turkey: A Regional Power in the Making “.  In February 4, 2009 I updated my article “A Regional Power out of hibernation in the Near East“.  Another update is required because Turkey seems to vigorously and quickly act everywhere.

Turkey forgot the Islamic world for over 60 years and relied on its military to impose a secular state and emulate the Western culture in alphabet and in dress codes. Ataturk wanted to shed the image of backward Ottoman Empire that lost an Empire extending from Hungry to Iraq to Arabic Peninsula, the Near East, Egypt and all Northern Africa.   The other Empire to the east was the Persian Safafid Dynasty that extended to Pakistan. The Safafid Empire was founded by another Turkish leader and opted to adopt the Chiaa Moslem sect as the religion of his Empire.

Turkey is part of NATO (this year is its turn to lead the NATO forces in Afghanistan) thanks to the cold war against the defunct neighbor of Soviet Union: Turkey was the main effective ally to the US in the region during the cold war. Turkey was denied full membership in the European Union because the same Soviet Union disintegrated into “independent States” recognized by the UN; France and Germany offered a rational for their refusal on ground of Turkey not satisfying the basic social and political requirement of a homogenous member.  For 60 years Turkey had turned its back to the Arab problems, and allied to the State of Israel and the Shah of Iran.

Things are changing fast after the horrors of Gaza and the tearing down of the mask of the Zionist ideology of terror, expansion, and apartheid.  Turkey was playing the fair mediator between Syria and Israel in order for the return of the occupied Syrian Golan Heights. Turkey was mediating between Israel and the Palestinians to render the life of the Palestinians under occupation more bearable during the peace negotiations for a separate Palestinian State.  Israel Olmert PM lied to the Turkish PM Erdogan before the barbaric re-incursion into Gaza.

Rajab Tayyeb Erdogan, Turkey’s PM is undeniably the most powerful leader criticizing the Zionist State for its genocide in Gaza. He canceled a joint military maneuver with the US and Israel. The US has nobody else to conduct military maneuvers but Israel in this region; the latest naval one is to last two weeks with objective to save Israel of mass missile attack!

Turkey, under Erdogan, is currently more powerful than the whole of Europe in the Near East for establishing peace, stability and equitable political resolutions.  Turkey is a self sufficient independent Nation and has ruled the whole Middle East for four centuries. Turkey has awakened from a long hibernation and decided to be a major regional power broker.   

Turkey is demanding and acting as the main power broker in the Near East because it has interest in the stability of its south eastern borders with Syria, Iran, and Iraq.  So far, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq were peons for the larger policies of the US, Europe, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia in the Middle East.  Turkey’s current policies beg to differ: “no more war zones at my borders and in my back yards”.  The US and Israel must have understood the message clearly and loudly. The so-called “moderate” Arab States of Egypt and Saudi Arabia are cowering down and are taken by surprise to the emergence of the new revitalized Turkey siding with the underdogs.

We are not hearing anymore about the Turkish war on the Kurdish self-autonomous movement.  I wholeheartedly wish that negotiations are secretly and seriously underway with the Kurdish Workers’ Party for a peaceful resolution.  The Kurdish problem was used by the USA and Israel to blackmail Turkey.  I have a feeling that the Kurds in Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran appreciate the new directions of Erdogan’s government and would find in Erdogan a viable interlocutor and would cooperate with Turkey to lighten up this heavy burden of a useless and fruitless civil war. The new policy in Turkey is to open peaceful negotiations with the opposition Kurds; around 200 Kurdish leaders in the resistance movement have turned themselves in and all indicates that a resolution is palpable.

Turkey will be asked to exercise its beneficial influence in restoring peace, stability and economic prosperity in the region.  It will inevitably join the European Union with the unavoidable important changes that Turkey will have to accept and undergo in matters of democracy, liberty, human rights, social and economical constraints.

This transformation of a powerful neighbor will transcend into a drastic transformation of the societies surrounding Turkey. The benefits are already materializing in closer ties with Syria, pressures on Israel to agree on a Palestinian State, and greater normalization with Iran.  Turkey is obviously the main power that can provide autonomy to the Kurdish nationalism spreading among Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran. Turkey is the main power that can efficiently check US omnipotence in the Middle East and any resurgence of Russia militarism. Turkey prevented Bush Junior to invade Iraq through its territory; the US air base in Interlink was prohibited to launch air raids on Iraq.  I have great hope in this new power amongst us, especially that the current Turkish government has proven to be far sighted and confident in its power and role in this region.

For a couple of years after Europe shut off the door for Turkey entering the Union Turkey felt the need to crawl in a cave and hibernate; Turkey shook off its lethargic attitude and is now in the driving seat and operating a strategy that befits its power in the Middle East.  It has surmounted tough obstacles in economic difficulties, human rights issues that are frequently reemerging, and demonstrations that are occasionally broken by brute force. Turkey is no longer allowed to relax.  Turkey is quickly learning that it has to keep pace with the culture of Europe and to fight harder to catch up with lost time. Its dialogue with Syria has brought fruits: no visas are needed to cross joint borders, seasonal water resource shortages are frequently revised, and the western world had come to term that it can no longer circumvent Syria in this volatile region with Turkey’s backing.

Europe must be appreciating the decision of Turkey to play a major role in the Near East but the US is very wary because it refuses to share pre-eminence in the Middle East.  Turkey active diplomacy and clear policies should weight heavier in the decision process for joining the European Union.  The frustrations of Turkey with the EU must have given it a clear hint of what its policies should be based on and where its focus should be directed to.

            Turkey is the new pivotal power in the Middle East in the coming decades.  It is the cornerstone for new emerging Northern Middle East Block with Syria, Iraq, and Iran.  This strategic block in formation is inevitable after the US troops leave Iraq and would constitute the best guarantee for this volatile region to peace and security.

            Erdogan should have received the Nobel Award for Peace instead of Barak Obama who has no active records to show for earning this prize (Read my post “What that! Nobel Prize for Passivity?”  Erdogan has already executed peace treaties with his archenemies: Syria, Armenia, the Kurds, soon with Cyprus, and has definitely sided with the Palestinians against apartheid Israel.  Normally, Erdogan is in line for the peace prize. Judging from the trend, the cynical Nobel Committee never feels comfortable awarding Peace Prizes to Middle Eastern leaders unless it is shared with the devils such as Began and Shimon Peres. Erdogan got my highest prize and we all feel much more optimist in our future.

That ain’t workin’, that’s the way you do it

Money for nothin’ and your chicks for free

Now that ain’t workin’, that’s the way you do it

Lemme tell ya, them guys ain’t dumb

Maybe get a blister on your little finger

Maybe get a blister on your thumb

– Dire Straits, “Money For Nothing”

I would like to thank the Nobel Committee for forcing me out of my long hiatus from my duties as a blogger.  I could not have imagined a greater gift that its decision to award the 2009 Nobel Prize for Peace to President Barack Obama.  H. L. Mencken is most assuredly spinning in his grave.

I must have missed something in the last nine months of the Obama presidency.  Have the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ended?  Have the Israelis and Palestinians committed themselves to peaceful coexistence?  Have Iran and North Korea given up their ambitions to become (overtly, at least) nuclear states?  Has the genocide in Darfur ceased?  No?  Then why did Obama win what is arguably the most important and recognizable prize in the world?

My liberal friends and other Obama sycophants insist that the President’s actual achievements in the area of world peace are far less important than his potential to do good.  (I wish I could get my credit card company to accept that logic: surely my potential to pay my bill means more to them than getting a silly check from me every month.)

Perhaps I am old-fashioned, but I was under the impression that the Nobel Prize was awarded to people who had actually done something in the area for which they were being recognized.  Some of Obama’s predecessors in the Oval Office have amassed an impressive record for peace–and they did not get the Nobel Prize for their efforts.  For instance, Jimmy Carter brought Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin to the negotiating table. (Sadat and Begin won the 1978 Prize.  Carter eventually won the Prize in 2002.)  Ronald Reagan restarted nuclear disarmament negotiations with the Soviets and pushed Mikhail Gorbachev to unleash democracy in the former Soviet Union and its satellites.  (Gorbachev won the 1990 Prize.)  Bill Clinton hammered out peace in Northern Ireland and got Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin to shake hands on the White House lawn.  (Arafat, Rabin, and Shimon Peres won the 1994 Prize.  Bill is, I am sure, actively campaigning to get the Prize before Hillary does.)  Even Presidential also-ran Al Gore managed to finally win something: the 2007 Prize.

To be sure, achieving peace anywhere in the world–or even down the block–is an elusive and frustrating goal; and prior Administrations could not and did not accomplish everything that they might have desired.  And President Obama faces challenges that his predecessors could not have imagined in their worst nightmares of global Armageddon.  Be that as it may, he has not yet met what should be a very high standard to join such exclusive company.

Awarding Obama the Nobel Prize for his potential as a peacemaker is disturbingly similar to the current practice of giving children prizes, certificates, etc. for just about anything that they do.  (I mean, how ridiculous is kindergarten graduation?)  Greater minds than mine have proposed that this ready availability of praise cheapens its value and creates an expectation that merely showing up merits getting an award.  Hard work, sacrifice, and determination are dismissed as unnecessary or even foolish.  Obama, of course, could not have achieved such amazing success before reaching age 50 had he subscribed to this point of view.  But accepting the Nobel Prize for Peace now ironically contradicts the amazing and (I admit) inspiring narrative of his life.

President Obama should do the right thing and refuse the Nobel Prize for Peace.  I am pretty sure that he will get another crack at it.

Silvio Santos x Carla Perez – Quem estudou mais ?

O apresentador Silvio Santos vive cometendo gafes em seu programa dominical e dessa vez chegou a ponto de ser extremamente grosso com a cantora Carla Pérez. Em um quadro de jogo de perguntas ele ficou indignado com uma resposta errada da artista e questionou se ela tinha ensino fundamental.

Carla Pérez não estudou para ser celebridade e não tem culpa de possuir um nível intelecto inferior ao apresentador, mas nem por isso merecia ser constrangida dessa forma.

Poxa Silvio, pegou mal a sua pergunta por isso o Tela Crente dá  nota ZERO para sua falta de etiqueta.

qual o canal que carla perez apresenta

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AND NO, I’m not referring to the feckless George Mitchell, though that subject is worthy of a brief exploration. Former Democratic Majority Leader George Mitchell, President Barry Hussein’s  “Special Envoy for Middle East Peace“, put the Boffo in Buffoon during meetings with the Israeli leadership on Thursday Oct 10. Caroline Glick wrote in Jewish World Review “An atmosphere of fantasy pervaded President Barack Obama’s Middle East peace processor George Mitchell’s meetings with Israeli leaders on Thursday“. “In separate photo opportunities, Mitchell stood next to President Shimon Peres and Defense Minister Ehud Barak and pledged to surmount all obstacles to achieve peace, not only between Israel and the Palestinians but between Israel, Syria and Lebanon and with the whole Arab world”.
Really George? Mmm, was that psychedelics or psychotropics George?
Kudos to the Israeli leadership for keeping a straight face for the cameras.
The third member of the Triple Clowns of Middle East diplomacy behind the Glorious Leader and Madame Hillary is in somebody else’s world. It’s hard to see how the Israelis or any one can take us seriously right now. If they gave out MEDALS for incompetence and ineptitude running to sheer ignorance…..?. Maybe they have.
Largely under the radar, the US is participating in the largest Israeli military exercise in several years.
Israel states that these five day exercises are a nation-wide readiness program and NOT preparation for war. The Israelis are quick to say that these exercises have been in the works for a year.
Since the last go around with Hamas in Lebanon and the showering of Israeli towns with rockets and short range missiles, the ongoing and increasing threat from Iran, the new terror threat being ginned up by the Palestinian radicals over the old Temple Mount worship issue, and the continued threat from Syria and Hamas in Lebanon, it’s not surprising that the Israelis make these military and civilian exercises a top national priority. We are largely along for the ride. It is significant that our participation will largely concern itself with missile defense…That’s what we are being told anyway.
We used to say that while you’re sleeping your enemy is pumping iron. Israel pumps iron BECAUSE of its enemies.
It’s surprising that under President Barack Hussein Obama these exercises have not been curtailed or even canceled, given his love affair with all things Muslim.
OR could it be that his Saudi Masters, who greatly fear a nuclear Iran and have publicly supported an Israeli surgical strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities, have told him to cool it? Connecting one more dot, the Pentagon has approved and accelerated the MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator), a 30,000 lb. super bomb capable of reaching the deepest hardened sites. This weapon has been in the works for years and is probably already operational or very near to it.
Wolverines have been recorded taking down full grown moose…or tearing down a mountain cabin if really peed. Eagles hunt from great heights.
Sort of makes it look like rubber hits the road time folks.
The Eagle and the Wolverine…very interesting.

Semper Vigilans, Semper Fidelis

© Skip MacLure 2009

According to Sky News, the Russian president Dmitry Medvedev has been assured by Shimon Peres that -

“Israel does not plan any strikes on Iran, we are a peaceful country and we will not do this.“

Source . . .

This is excellent news for those who do not wish to see another armed conflict in the region but – Well he would say that, wouldn’t he? After all, it does not make military sense to lose the element of surprise, thereby increasing the number of your own casualties by giving an opponent advance warning of your intention to attack.

One can only suppose Mr Peres had his hand behind his back when he made that promise to Mr Medvedev ?

The Jerusalem Post carries the same story as Sky but the author is more sceptical – pointing to a seeming contradiction in that -

“Israel has never officially made an open threat to attack Iran but has also insisted that it was not taking any option off the table regarding the Islamic Republic’s contested nuclear program.”

Source . . .

Only an incredibly naive person (or a Russian president?) can seriously believe that Israeli military tacticians do not plan for every contingency – nor their Iranian counterparts likewise.

Shimon Peres was in the hospital on Saturday evening after fainting at a speech earlier that evening. Peres was in a Jerusalem hospital over night was was considered fine and healthy. The reason behind him fainting was told to be from the heat of the room as well as from talking and standing for a long period. His advisor stated that “everything will be back to business as usual”.The speech was at the Rabin center. His physician also claims that he might have not drunk enough water as well, but that his best advice is to “slow down” for the next couple of days.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3776677,00.html

The son of the late Israeli astronaut Ilan Ramon was killed in the crash of an Israeli Air Force fighter plane.

Capt. Assaf Ramon, 21, died Sunday while flying the F-16 aircraft as part of advanced training.  He had completed the training course for pilots with honors in June, receiving his wings from President Shimon Peres.  He had escaped death in a training flight in March.

His father, Israel’s first astronaut, was killed aboard the U.S. space shuttle Columbia in 2003 when it broke apart upon its return to earth.

The Air Force ordered all F-16 training halted until further notice. The plane crashed in the Hebron Hills.

Ilan Ramon himself was a fighter pilot in the Air Force and participated in the 1981 strike on an Iraqi nuclear reactor.

Assaf Ramon, the oldest of four children, was 15 when his father died.  He had said he would like to become a pilot like his father and perhaps even an astronaut.

Jewish-American astronaut Garrett Reisman, a close friend of the Ramon family, departed Sunday night from the U.S. to attend the funeral. Since the explosion of the Columbia space shuttle in which Assaf’s father Ilan was killed, Reisman has maintained ties with the widow and her children. According to some accounts, Reisman taught Assaf to fly when he was 17.

All of a sudden, we can say “racism.” A shock wave has struck complacent Israeli society. A few dozen Ethiopian children were not accepted to religious schools in Petah Tikva. That is truly terrible, everyone tsked-tsked at the heart-rending picture of Aschalo Sama, a boy without a school. Even President Shimon Peres expressed shock. Everyone is permitted to be shocked; it is politically correct.

Oh, how beautiful we are, how enlightened we seem to ourselves. Look how we fight racism, undaunted and uncompromising. And yet, in a twinkling, this shame will be forgotten, and we will be left with the many other manifestations of society’s racism, to which we remain sleepily indifferent.

That’s the way we are. From time to time, when the sewage overflows, and the stink spreads everywhere and we can no longer hold our noses, we all cry out against injustice until, once again, the cover is closed. The water underneath continues to froth and stink, but it will be covered and repressed.

It is difficult to know, for example, how many self-righteous and tsking parents would have agreed to register their children in a class with a majority of children of Ethiopian origin. And how many would rent an apartment to an Arab student? But far be it for them to count that as racism. And how many parents are shocked by the nightly selection at the clubs where their adolescent children go for a good time? Routinely, young “others” are excluded – Ethiopians, Arabs, Druze, and sometimes Mizrahim, too. Foreigners are barred for having dark skin, and no protest is heard.

Every day security guards check people entering Ben-Gurion International Airport on whether their accent sounds Arab, and no one complains. That is not racism. It’s how we have organized for ourselves an ethical code of double and triple moral standards. We fight against a few manifestations and close our eyes to other, far worse, examples.

The case of the Petah Tikva pupils is the tip of the racism iceberg. Children engender special feelings; shameful revelations about the school system will always yield a scandal. But the very week the country was in a huff over the Ethiopians, Nir Hasson reported in Haaretz that Jerusalem invests NIS 577 a year in a pupil from East Jerusalem and NIS 2,372 in a pupil from West Jerusalem. Four times less, only because of the child’s ethnicity. That does not count here as racism. Neither does the fact that East Jerusalem lacks about 1,000 classrooms, only because its residents are Palestinian. No one howls against these revelations, no one is infuriated by them, including the president, who fights against racism.

Now that we can use the term “racism,” the time has come to admit our society is absolutely racist, that all its components are racist. The legal system, for example, is no less tainted than Petah Tikva’s Morasha school. In many cases there is one law for a Jew and another for an Arab. The Bank of Israel, a state institution no less than the Morasha school, with 900 employees, has always been “clean” of Arab employees except sometimes one or two. Some 70,000 Israeli citizens, all Arab of course, are living in unrecognized villages, without electricity or running water, without an access road and sometimes without a school. Why? Because they are Arabs. Every week at soccer matches we hear racist epithets and chants, the kind teams in Europe are severely penalized for. Here, the referees do not even bother reporting them.

The latest incident occurred last week at the Doha Stadium in Sakhnin in a match between Bnei Sakhnin and Beitar Jerusalem.

And we have said nothing yet about the attitude toward foreign workers, the occupation (the greatest racist curse) nor about the attitude toward Mizrahim since the founding of the state. The list is long and shameful.

When the children of Petah Tikva have all found schools to attend , even though their skin is black, society will not stop being racist. It will return very quickly to business as usual and self-satisfaction. See how there was racism here, we fought it and it disappeared without a trace.

Ref: Haaretz

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Sur le sujet : Rappel à Monsieur Darcos

Je ne vois pas poindre dans le débat les neuf mois de grossesse dont les trois premiers ponctués de nausées, de malaises (entre autres) et le reste de la grossesse souvent fatigante.

De plus, le temps passe, le corps de femmes à plus de trois grossesses sont souvent déformés, striés et, quand arrive la ménopause, les stigmates sont encore plus visibles

D’accord pour que les gardes des papas soient comptabilisées mais il ne faut pas oublier que depuis la nuit des temps, ce sont les femmes qui enfantent et que leur corps est souvent malmené. Ce qui n’est pas le cas des hommes qui sont d’ailleurs et souvent les premiers à ne pas comprendre ces modifications, les montrer du doigt en préférant ça :