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<title><![CDATA[The Thanksgiving story seasoned with Calvinism]]></title>
<link>http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/the-thanksgiving-story-seasoned-with-calvinism/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[To present the Thanksgiving story and disregard the Calvinism that ran through the mindset of Govern]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-3928" title="PuritanThanksgiving granitegrokcom" src="http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/puritanthanksgiving-granitegrokcom.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="352" />To present the Thanksgiving story and disregard the Calvinism that ran through the mindset of Governor Bradford and the early settlers in Massachusetts in 1621 would be a grave error.  Not for nothing were they called Puritans!  Would there have been a Thanksgiving story to tell without the Calvinists?  I don&#8217;t think so.  You&#8217;ll see why below.</p>
<p>Yet, here&#8217;s what most kids in the US have been learning about this public holiday for at least a generation. Excerpts follow from <a href="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_112107/content/01125113.guest.html" target="_blank">&#8216;The Real Story of Thanksgiving&#8217;</a>,  November 21, 2007:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">&#8230; the Pilgrims came over, and they were just overwhelmed; they were swamped; they had no clue where they were; they had no clue how to feed themselves; they had to clue how to protect themselves; they had no idea how to stay warm; they had no idea how to do anything.  They were just typical, dumb &#8230; people fleeing some other place they couldn&#8217;t manage to live in.  And then, out of the woods came the &#8230; Indians, who had great compassion &#8230; and they befriended us &#8230; and Thanksgiving is where we give thanks to the Indians.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">Of course the rest of the Thanksgiving story is that after the Indians saved the white people, who, after all, did what?  They brought syphilis, sexually transmitted diseases, gonorrhea &#8212; as had one high school health teacher pronounced it &#8212; racism, bigotry, homophobia, all these things&#8230;</span> </p>
<p>The truth in that account is the value of the Indians&#8217; friendship and skills; conversely, the STDs didn&#8217;t come from the Pilgrim Fathers.  That was further south in non-Puritan or non-English settlements (e.g. Virginia, other parts of the New World) where there was much depravity and sadness because of ungodly actions by certain Europeans.  But, back to Thanksgiving and the Massachusetts Bay Colony. And, let&#8217;s not forget that John Calvin &#8212; whose theology formed the basis of Puritan belief &#8212; said that we must <a href="http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/can-we-should-we-transform-the-world/" target="_blank">recognise common grace in <em><strong>all</strong></em> people</a>. We are all here to accomplish good.  </p>
<p>So, here&#8217;s what happened as I learned it &#8211; back in the last century (same source link as above):</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">On August 1, 1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers, including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey, Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible &#8230; </span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for their example. And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work. But this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World was a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in November, they found, according to Bradford&#8217;s detailed journal, a cold, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to greet them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them. There were no inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the Pilgrims &#8212; including Bradford&#8217;s own wife &#8212; died of either starvation, sickness, or exposure.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">When spring finally came, Indians taught the settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats. Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper! This is important to understand because this is where modern American history lessons often end. Thanksgiving is actually explained in some textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the Indians for saving their lives, rather than as a devout expression of gratitude grounded in the tradition of both the Old and New Testaments. </span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store, and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belong to the community as well.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">Bradford, who had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had taken so many lives.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of the marketplace. &#8230; Long before Karl Marx was even born, the Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be described as socialism. And what happened? It didn&#8217;t work! &#8230; </span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">What Bradford and his community found was that the most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal motivation!  But while most of the rest of the world has been experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years &#8212; trying to refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it &#8212; the Pilgrims decided early on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild&#8217;s history lesson.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">Here&#8217;s what he wrote: &#8216;The experience that we had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years&#8230;that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing &#8212; as if they were wiser than God.&#8217;</span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">&#8216;For this community [so far as it was] was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men&#8217;s wives and children without any recompense&#8230;that was thought injustice.&#8217;</span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">So what did Bradford&#8217;s community try next? &#8230; Every family was assigned its own plot of land to work and permitted to market its own crops and products&#8230; &#8216;This had very good success,&#8217; wrote Bradford, &#8216;for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.&#8217;</span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">In no time, the Pilgrims found they had more food than they could eat themselves &#8230; So they set up trading posts and exchanged goods with the Indians.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">&#8216;The profits allowed them to pay off their debts to the merchants in London. And the success and prosperity of the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans and began what came to be known as the &#8220;Great Puritan Migration&#8221;.&#8217;</span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">So the Pilgrims decided to thank God for all of their good fortune.  And that&#8217;s Thanksgiving.  And read George Washington&#8217;s first Thanksgiving address and count the number of times God is mentioned and how many times he&#8217;s thanked.  None of this is taught today.  It should be.</span></p>
<p>This post is going out the day before Thanksgiving so that you have time to share it with your children or grandchildren.  I hope that your preparations are going well, and I pray that you have a very happy Thanksgiving.</p>
<p><span style="color:#005757;"><strong><span style="color:#008080;">Tomorrow: The first Thanksgiving proclamation &#8212; from George Washington</span></strong></span></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Breaking Down the Parable of the Ten Virgins &amp; the Bridegroom]]></title>
<link>http://yourbrotherinchrist.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/breaking-down-the-parable-of-the-ten-virgins-the-bridegroom/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Welcome back, brothers and sisters!!!  Today we are going to discuss the parable of the ten virgins ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Welcome back, brothers and sisters!!! </p>
<p>Today we are going to discuss the parable of the ten virgins and the bridegroom.  Jesus was talking to His disciples about be ready for the last day when He shared the following parable:</p>
<p>“Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.  And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.  They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:  But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.  While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.  And at midnight there was a cry made, ‘Behold, the bridegroom cometh;  go ye out to meet him.’  Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.”</p>
<p>“And the foolish said unto the wise, ‘Give us of your oil;  for our lamps are gone out.’  But the wise answered, saying, ‘Not so;  lest there be not enough for us and you:  but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.’  And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came;  and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage:  and the door was shut.”</p>
<p>“Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us.’  But he answered and said, ‘Verily I say unto you, I know you not.” – Matthew 25:1-12 (KJV)</p>
<p>Brothers and sisters, the message of this parable is very sobering.  Let’s break this parable down and discuss the thrust of the message.</p>
<p>First of all, cast in the role of the bridegroom is the one and only begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ.  The ten virgins represent us, believers and non-believers.</p>
<p>Okay, so now that we know the cast, what is the tie-in to the oil and the lamps?  That’s simple, actually.  Why do we need lamps?  Lamps help us to see where we are going, right?  We are blinded when we are surrounded by darkness.</p>
<p>The lamps, beloved, represent our spirits/souls.  Why do I say this?  Consider the following scripture:</p>
<p>“The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly.” – Proverbs 20:27 (KJV)</p>
<p>So if the lamp represents our soul/spirit, what does the oil represent?  The oil represents the Holy Spirit, which is attained through Christ Jesus.  Remember, beloved, that though Jesus is not present with us physically on earth anymore, He lives here in our hearts through the Holy Spirit.  This is the same Holy Spirit that God the Father filled Jesus, His only begotten Son, with after He was baptized by John the Baptist.  Brothers and sisters, Jesus Christ is also known as the Light of the World.  Having His light in us, we can rejoice in knowing that our lamps will be lit and shining brightly at the moment that Jesus comes for us.</p>
<p>You see, beloved, the Holy Spirit is the oil that shines brightly enough that all can see our light, which is the presence of the Lord in our hearts.  How can people see that light?  Well, let’s look at the type of light that the Holy Spirit emanates, as described by the Apostle Paul:</p>
<p>“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance:  against such there is no law.” - Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)</p>
<p>You see, beloved, when we live in Christ, we are to be faithful and obedient servants of that which He blesses and graces us with.  Frankly, the manner in which we live should be a strong witness for Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.  Remember, brothers and sisters, as His servants, our lives should be lived in such a manner as to reflect to others our service to our Lord and Savior.  That means we are to let the Lord’s light shine through us for all to see.  Jesus said the following about this:</p>
<p>“Ye are the light of the world.  A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.  Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick;  and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.  Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.” – Matthew 5:14-16 (KJV)</p>
<p>Beloved, the 5 virgins that heed the Lord’s word, and live by it, are those that He will find doing His work when He returns for His bride, which is the church.  The church is comprised of all those who have accepted salvation given by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.  Only those that have Christ in them will be called home to be with the Lord.  Those that do not have Christ in them have souls/spirits filled with darkness instead of light.  Since there will be no light found in such people, they will be passed over when the believers are called home.  Consider the parable of the ten virgins, and listen to what Jesus said would happen when He calls His servants home:</p>
<p>“Then shall two be in the field;  the one shall be taken, and the other left.  Two women shall be grinding at the mill;  the one shall be taken, and the other left.  Watch therefore;  for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.  But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.  Therefore be ye also ready:  for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of Man cometh.  Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?  Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.  Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.  But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, ‘My lord delayeth his coming’;  and shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;  The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites:  there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” – Matthew 24:40-51 (KJV)</p>
<p>Brothers and sisters, no one knows when Jesus will return.  Jesus Himself said that only the Father knows the appointed hour.  The point is that we are supposed to constantly live our lives doing the work of our Lord and Savior so that in that “twinkling of an eye” when Jesus does return, we are found as faithful and obedient servants, diligently doing His work and will.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, beloved, there are many that live without Christ in their hearts.  They do not have the oil of the Holy Spirit burning brightly within them and emanating His light in their lives.  This, brothers and sisters, is all the more reason for us to constantly have our lamps lit with the oil of the Holy Spirit.  By sharing, embracing, and living the Lord’s word and love, we will be more effective in shining His light through the darkness in order to reach those that are presently lost.  Just as we were once lost before being found, we are incredibly blessed with the opportunity to help gather many of our Shepherd’s lost “sheep” by lighting up the path that will lead them home to Him.  This is our mission, beloved, and the time is now to carry it out.</p>
<p>No one should take for granted that the Lord will not come back for “x” amount more time.  We simply do not know the Lord’s return date and time, as only the Father knows.  Jesus could return in 5,000 years, 5 months, 5 weeks, 5 days, or in the next 5 seconds.  Regardless of how long it is until Jesus returns, we need to commit ourselves to doing His work every single day of our lives.  When He returns for us, let’s bless and glorify Him by meeting Him with as many well-oiled lamps as possible!!!</p>
<p>I would like to ask each and every person taking part in today’s discussion a few questions.  If the Lord Jesus Christ were to return in the next few seconds, would you be ready?  Would the Lord find your lamp lit brightly by the oil of the Holy Spirit?  Just as importantly, are you confident and assured that all of your family, friends, and loved ones would be found ready if Jesus were to return in the next few seconds?  Are you confident that hte majority of people in this world are ready to meet the Lord?</p>
<p>Let’s be honest, beloved.  There are a great many people that are not yet ready to meet Jesus Christ.  If Jesus were calling His faithful servants home today, an incredibly large number of people would be among those left behind.  Evidence of this can be found all throughout the world today.  Just turn on the 6 o’clock news, or go for a drive through the city, and you will see that much of humanity is spiritually lost and adrift at sea, without boat or life jacket.  This, brothers and sisters, is the urgency of our mission.  Just as with the 5 foolish virgins, those who are not ready to meet the Lord when He calls His faithful home will find out the harsh reality that the time for making the decision to commit their lives to Him has passed.</p>
<p>Beloved, ask the Lord for the endurance, strength, perseverance, and courage to work tirelessly to share His love and His word with as many people as possible.  The Lord will give you the words and the guidance you need through the Holy Spirit.  The time is now, beloved, for us to increase our staffing levels of faithful and obedient servants to take part in the Lord’s harvest.  Let’s get to work!!!</p>
<p>If you have not yet accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, but you would like to, please pray the following prayer:</p>
<p>“Lord God Almighty, I know that I am a sinner and that I am lost.  I know that I need to be saved from sin, but I also know that I can’t save myself.  Lord Jesus, I know that only You can save me.  I know that you paid for my salvation with your own life and blood on the cross.  I know that when You rose from the grave on the third day, you provided everlasting life to all who trust in You.  Right now, I lay down my life and let go of my pride, my vanity and every other sin that has kept me from You.  Lord Jesus, I now completely trust my life to You.  I open my heart to You, Lord.  Please come into my heart.  Please forgive me of all of my sins, and please accept me as Your child.  From this point on, I commit my life to You.  Please guide me and provide me strength as I begin to live the rest of my life for You.  In Your precious and matchless name I pray.  Amen.”</p>
<p>Beloved, if you just prayed that prayer then you can rejoice in knowing that you now have the presence of the Lord in your heart.  While you will still face trials and tribulation in this world, you will never again face it alone.  Nurture your new relationship with the Lord and grow that relationship by getting to know Him better.  You can do this by studying His word (the bible), while also making talking to Him continually through prayer made with thanksgiving and supplication.  All you have to do to find out what the Lord had in mind for your life when He made you is to ask Him to shape your life in manner in which serves His will and then embrace the changes that He makes in you and your life.  Welcome to the family, beloved!!!  You are precious in your Heavenly Father’s eyes, and the angels in heaven are rejoicing in your decision to accept Christ Jesus as your Lord and Savior:-)  We are happy to have you!!!</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for today’s discussion.  I hope you will be able to join us for tomorrow’s next discussion.  Now, go enjoy this day that the Lord has made, and make the most of it.  Be glad, and rejoice in it!!!  Share the Lord, His love, and His word with as many people as possible, doing so just as freely as the Father shared His only begotten Son with us:-)</p>
<p>May the Lord bless you, keep you, guide you, and make His face to shine upon you and your loved ones always.</p>
<p>Your brother in Christ,</p>
<p>&#160;</p>
<p>Rev Jason Thurwanger</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Christian Terrorists Attack Police Station]]></title>
<link>http://wilybadger.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/christian-terrorists-attack-police-station/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[A police station in Belfast was attacked by Christian terrorists recently. They were part of a ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>A police station in Belfast was <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/world/rogue-ira-accused-of-bomb-and-gun-attacks-20091123-iy6g.html">attacked by Christian terrorists</a> recently. They were part of a &#8220;rogue&#8221; Irish Republican Army group. For those keeping track, that&#8217;s the main Catholic group of terrorists there, as opposed to the various other Catholic groups and their enemies, the various Protestant groups. They&#8217;re the sides in what the British simply refer to as &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles">The Troubles</a>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Of course the MSM won&#8217;t refer to these terrorists as &#8220;Christian&#8221; terrorists. Because we all know Christianity is a religion of peace (or pieces, if you&#8217;re in the IRA). But when something that may or may not be about religion, like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting">the Ft Hood shootings</a>, happens, they can&#8217;t talk about the suspect&#8217;s religious background fast enough, since, after all, he&#8217;s a Muslim!</p>
<p>Now I do think the Ft Hood shootings were likely motivated by religion, but so was this Belfast attack. The IRA were, and this rogue group are, Christians and terrorists. Always remember that. The Muslims aren&#8217;t the only ones with evil, petty, cruel jerks out there.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Maya- inconsistency]]></title>
<link>http://estheppan.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/maya-inconsistency/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Incognito</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Christians talking about love Protestent christians expressed their love by the rampant killing of n]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><span style="text-align:justify;"><span style="font-family:arial;"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Christians talking about love</span> </p>
<p>Protestent christians expressed their love by the rampant killing of native americans, who were called not humans, but &#8216;red indians&#8217;, and usurping their lands and destroying their livelihood. This was quite in line with the way Catholic christians in Europe called native cultures &#8216;pagan&#8217; and killed the natives, who were again, not called humans, but &#8216;heathens&#8217;. Catholic christians also expressed their universal love through Inquisitions in Europe, South America and in other former colonies such as in Goa. They burned women on stakes, calling them not humans, but, witches. Thus they demonstrated that it is very easy to love people without feeling remorse when labelled with an alternate term instead of calling them humans.</p>
<p>Christians also expressed their love in Africa by enslaving the natives, shipping them off to plantations to be made to work like animals, calling them, not humans, but &#8216;negros&#8217; or &#8216;niggers&#8217; . </p>
<p>They loved the natives of Australia and New Zealand so much that they killed them, displaced them, enslaved them, took away their small children and de-cultured them, calling them, not humans, but &#8216;aboriginals&#8217;.</p>
<p>Christian love for India was expressed in the rampant plunder of this country. They not only enslaved the indians, plundered the wealth, they also appropriated the scientific advancements made by the indians, used that to develop their industries and economy and called it &#8216;industrial revolution&#8217;. Concurrently, so much love christians had, that they destroyed the education system that produced that scientific knowledge, destroyed the culture that produced that scientific knowledge, deracinated the indians, shipped them off to far off Carribeans and Africas as bonded labourers calling them &#8216;hindoos&#8217;. </p>
<p>Christians loved the Jews and the Gypsies in Europe throughout the centuries so much that christian Nazis, continuing with such love, starved them to skeletons and incinerated them in gas chambers in  millions. </p>
<p>Despite all these accomplishments, christians consider themselves full of love of the only true God and want to convert the remaining adherents of native cultures to this version of love. They call it God&#8217;s work. They also call such expressions of love as civilising the natives.</p>
<p>If the past is any indicator, how godly is this christian God ? how merciful ? how benevolent ? how loving is this entity ?<br />
To some of the above victims, the entity God may appear indistinguishable from the other entity these christians bandy about, called Satan.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Muslims talking about peace</span></p>
<p>Since the death of Khadija, the aggrandizing instinct of muslims have been unleashed unbridled upon the world in such a violent manner that it matches that of christian inquisitions, at times even surpassing that. So &#8216;peaceful&#8217; were the muslims that they enslaved and killed people following native customs calling them &#8216;kaffirs&#8217;, not humans. In the name of their merciful &#8216;Allah&#8217;, these people have been waging &#8216;jihad&#8217; over a millennium upon human beings. These peaceful people have mercilessly butchered women and children and enslaved them brutally. Their peaceful acts still continue unabated, in India, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Iran, in Saudi Arabia, in Bangladesh, in Indonesia, in Malaysia, in Sudan, in Palestine, in Libya.</p>
<p>To the victims of muslim&#8217;s peace campaigns throughout the centuries, the entity &#8216;Allah&#8217; may seem anything but peaceful or merciful.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Communists talking about liberating the masses</span> </p>
<p>If Cuba and China, let alone Stalinist Russia and Cambodia, are examples of liberating the masses, what would be imprisonment ?  </p>
<p>The condition of the states of West Bengal and Kerala, that have repeatedly elected communists to power- the impoverishment, material as well as ethical and cultural, people having to work for capitalists outside those states and send money back home, the violence that underlies these societies becoming a fertile ground for exploitation by subversive ideologues -are indicators of how communists &#8216;liberate&#8217; the masses in a democracy.</p>
<p>To the beneficiaries of such liberation, liberty may seem indistinguisable from incarceration.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Capitalists talking about environment</span></p>
<p>The way in which capitalists have rampantly and remorselessly looted the earth and destroyed her sustainability over the past few centuries, causing changes in climate and on the native flora and fauna, all to feed their aggrandizing drive, their new found concerns for environment and their pious endeavours towards &#8216;reducing carbon emissons&#8217; and bringing in &#8216;green technology&#8217; without discarding the unbridled greed that caused the damage in the first place, without recognizing that Nature is to be sustained for its own sake, not merely for continuation of human&#8217;s consumption levels, belie their claim and their intention.</p>
<p>To people living with Nature in a mutually nurturing way, the capitalists&#8217; effort at greening the planet may seem mere continuation of the selfish project of grabbing yet another opportunity to increase bank balance at the cost of environment and ethics.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Indian liberals talking secularism</span></p>
<p>Secularism of the indian liberals is to demonstrate cronic intolerance towards <em>bharatiya samskriti </em>and to excessively indulge the relentless attack on indian psyche by the four groups- christians, muslims, communists and capitalists.</p>
<p>To the practitioners of <em>bharatiya samskriti</em>, such liberals may seem like puppets dancing to the tune of western imperialism that sprouts four heads- christianity, islam, communism and capitalism.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><em>Maya</em></span></p>
<p>Despite the blatant inconsistencies, majority of people today end up buying the lemon sold by the four headed western imperialism.</p>
<p><em>maya</em><br />
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<link>http://urgencytorise.com/2009/11/23/paul-washer-background-of-the-shocking-youth-message/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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<link>http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/bibles-for-children/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. &#8211; Proverbs 1:7 The other day, Gabriella had a]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><blockquote><p><span style="color:#008080;">The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom</span>. <span style="color:#333333;">&#8211; Proverbs 1:7</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#008080;"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-3988" title="Bible reading" src="http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/bible-reading.jpg" alt="" width="113" height="120" /></span>The other day, Gabriella had another excellent post, this time on children&#8217;s Bibles.  In <a href="http://gabriella50.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/not-meant-for-a-child/" target="_blank">&#8216;Not meant for a child?</a>&#8216; she described her first Bible.  From the scent of the paper to the memorable illustrations to the truly fantastic stories about a mysterious God &#8212; yes, I, too, remember my own quite well. </p>
<p>Childhood is a perfect time to give a Bible to a young person.  Even if they don&#8217;t fully understand all the content immediately, they will appreciate, with a parent&#8217;s help, that God is omnipotent, omniscient and sovereign.  Please don&#8217;t wait to introduce your child or grandchild to the Lord through Holy Scripture.   Remember the well-known Jesuit maxim:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#008080;">Give me the child till the age of seven and I will show you the man</span>.    </p></blockquote>
<p>That means a child&#8217;s formation is nearly complete by that age.  If he hasn&#8217;t learnt his prayers, attended church services or is familiar with Bible stories by then, you&#8217;ve lost the best opportunity you&#8217;ve ever had to educate him as a Christian.  I haven&#8217;t mentioned Baptism, because it goes without saying that that comes first. </p>
<p>Some parents are concerned about their children being able to handle violence in the Bible or comprehend the God they cannot see.  Yet, if you are a responsible, loving Christian, you will help the young ones in your family know and love Him and His Son Jesus Christ.  </p>
<p>Some parents are reluctant to start their children on the Bible too early.  They fear that some of the stories in the Old Testament may be too violent.  Personally, compared with newspaper and television reports of depraved violence, especially against children, I don&#8217;t understand this rationale.  The Bible is God&#8217;s Word, and this is where parents need to help guide their children in discernment. They need to explain that God punishes those who are unfaithful to Him.</p>
<p>Yes, children should have decent Bible translations.  However, to help get those under the age of 8 acquainted with the Good Book, why not try Uncle Arthur&#8217;s stories?  Arthur Maxwell was a Londoner who moved to the United States as a young man.  He is well known for his Bible stories written for young people.  Having read these for hours at a time growing up, I would describe him as the Children&#8217;s Apostle.  I reckon that no man has done more to foster faith in American youngsters than the late Mr Maxwell, about whom <a href="http://www.uncle-arthurs.com/ua/bio.php" target="_blank">you can read more here</a>.  I would like to think that God reserved a special place in Heaven for him.  The stories are pitched just right.  They explain, not frighten.  Yet, they instil awe of God.  A word of warning &#8212; they aren&#8217;t cheap, but they never were.  <a href="http://www.uncle-arthurs.com/ua/browse_books.php" target="_blank">Click here</a> for the list of Maxwell&#8217;s books.  </p>
<p>But, maybe Uncle Arthur is too passé.  If so, you might be interested in reading this review of <a href="http://richleebruce.com/bible-comics.html" target="_blank">Bible comics</a> (perish the thought).  I would advise against, but it&#8217;s your choice.</p>
<p>As far as church is concerned, please buy your children a few small, inexpensive books with prayers for young children.  Catholics may wish to buy an illustrated pocket-sized children&#8217;s Missal which explains the Order of Mass in easy-to-read prose.   When they get older, most denominations have smaller catechisms or confessions of faith for children to memorise. </p>
<p>Drawing on my own experience, my mother spent quite a lot of time with me teaching me Catholic prayers and helping me recite my catechism.  My Protestant friends&#8217; parents spent time reading them the Bible and teaching them about their faith.  There is a lot to be said for nourishing young minds at an early age.  Please don&#8217;t miss out on this opportunity with your child or grandchild.  You only get one chance.  So do they.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#008080;">Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear Him</span>. <span style="color:#333333;">&#8211; Psalm 103:13</span></p></blockquote>
<p>N.B.: Neither Churchmouse nor <em>Churchmouse Campanologist</em> has any commercial interest in the items discussed on this blog.</p>
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<link>http://yourbrotherinchrist.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/breaking-down-the-parable-of-the-wedding-banquet/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>yourbrotherinchrist</dc:creator>
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<p>Today we are going to discuss the parable of the wedding banquet.  This is a parable that Jesus spoke to the chief priests and Pharisees of the temple.  The parable is as follows:</p>
<p>“The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, whcih made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding:  and they would not come.  Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, ‘Tell them which are bidden, ‘Behold, I have prepared my dinner:  my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready:  come unto the marriage.”  But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:  And the remnant took his servants, and intreated them spitefully, and slew them.”</p>
<p>“But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth:  and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.  Then saith he to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.  Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.’  So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good:  and the wedding was furnished with guests.”</p>
<p>“And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there was a man which had not on a wedding garment:  And he saith unto him, ‘Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment?’  And he was speechless.  Then said the king to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness;  there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’  For many are called, but few are chosen.” – Mattew 22:2-14 (KJV)</p>
<p>Brothers and sisters, let’s break down the parable, staring with the cast.</p>
<p>The king of the parable represents God the Father.  The son that the king has arranged a marriage for is Jesus Christ.  The bride to be is the church of Christ, which is all who live in the Lord.  The servants that were sent out to invite the guests represent the prophets.  The first group of guests that was repeatedly invited was the Israelites, God’s chosen people.  Remember, that though many prophets were respected and revered for a time, they usually ended up being persecuted/killed by the very people they were trying to reach with God’s message.</p>
<p>The second group of guests are the Gentiles, or the non-Jews.  When the Jewish people repeatedly rejected the Father, His word, and ultimately Jesus Christ and the Gospel He shared, the Gentiles were blessed with the opportunity to receive the Gospel and to receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior while also receiving the gift of salvation that is found only in the only begotten Son of God.</p>
<p>Why was the one guest in the parable cast into outer darkness for not having on a wedding garment?  The answer is simple.  Do you know what the wedding garment is that the guests were to be clothed with?  Consider the following scripture:</p>
<p>“I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God;  for He hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, He hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.” – Isaiah 61:10 (KJV)</p>
<p>You see, beloved, in order to attend the marriage of the Lamb of God, we must be attired appropriately.  We know that the only person we can get the appropriate attire from is Jesus Christ.  Why?  Through Jesus our sins are washed away, our hearts are purified, and we are clothed with the robe of righteousness.  The person in the parable without the robe of righteousness was a person that had not given their life to Jesus Christ, and was subsequently not wearing the necessary robe of righteousness.  Therefore, the inappropriately attired guest offended the king (God the Father). </p>
<p>Brothers and sisters, there are people in this world who call themselves Christians, yet Christ is not found anywhere in them.  Such people often assume that going to church, periodically praying, and sometimes reading the bible and quoting chapter and verse is sufficient.  These are usually people that rejoice in sin Monday through Saturday, while attempting to live a Christian life on Sunday.  These are referred to as Sunday Christians, or Convenient Christians, and they do not have a place at the Lord’s table.  Why?  Beloved, Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior 365 days/year and 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  Likewise, we are to be His servants at all times as well, living obediently and faithfully in serving Him.  Unfortunately, some are not sincere in their service to the Lord.  Jesus spoke of such people when He said the following about the day of judgment:</p>
<p>“Not everyone that saith unto Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;  but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.  Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?  and in thy name have cast out devils?  and in thy name done many wonderful works?’  And then I will profess unto them, ‘I never knew you:  depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.” – Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)</p>
<p>You see, beloved, while we can fool our fellow man into believing that we are someone we are not, God always knows who we are.  God knows our hearts and knows all there is to possibly know about us.  A few acts, or a few words, do not make a faithful and obedient servant in Christ.  A faithful and obedient servant of the Lord lives in service to Him at all times, while also having the Lord in his/her heart at all times.  We love His word, regularly study it, and He writes it into our hearts.  We take every opportunity to share the Lord’s love and word with anyone we can reach.  We are never ashamed to confess to others that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, and Jesus is not ashamed of presenting us to the Father and speaking on our behalf.  Beloved, let’s live Christ in our lives all day, every single day.  Let’s study His word regularly as diligent students, and let’s do His work always as faithful and obedient servants are to do.  The Lord has already given us everything by blessing us with the gift of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.  Let’s show Him how much we appreciate His sacrifice, His love, and His forgiveness by doing His work and will unceasingly and with a glad heart.</p>
<p>Beloved, if you have not yet received Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, but you would sincerely like to, then please pray the following prayer:</p>
<p>“Lord God Almighty, I know that I am a sinner and that I am lost.  I know that I need to be saved from sin, but I also know that I can’t save myself.  Lord Jesus, I know that only You can save me.  I know that you paid for my salvation with your own life and blood on the cross.  I know that when You rose from the grave on the third day, you provided everlasting life to all who trust in You.  Right now, I lay down my life and let go of my pride, my vanity and every other sin that has kept me from You.  Lord Jesus, I now completely trust my life to You.  I open my heart to You, Lord.  Please come into my heart.  Please forgive me of all of my sins, and please accept me as Your child.  From this point on, I commit my life to You.  Please guide me and provide me strength as I begin to live the rest of my life for You.  In Your precious and matchless name I pray. Amen.”</p>
<p>I you just prayed that prayer, honestly seeking the Lord, then you are now saved.  The robe of righteousness is now available unto you, and though you will still face adversity in this world, you now have the Lord with you to face and overcome anything that comes your way.  Nurture your relationship with the Lord by talking to Him often through prayer with thanks and supplication, while also studying His word.  Ask the Lord to guide your every path, and follow the path that He sets before you.  You no longer serve the sins and lusts of this world.  Your chains that tied you to the things of this world have now been broken.  Serve the Lord with all your heart, and always seek His will in all things.  Welcome to the family:-)  Know that the angels in heaven are rejoicing at your decision to give your life to the Lord!!!</p>
<p>I want to thank you all for joining in on today’s discussion.  I hope you will be able to join us for tomorrow&#8217;s next message.</p>
<p>I hope you have a wonderful and blessed rest of the day.  Remember, you are loved by the very Creator of earth, the heavens, and all life with a love that is perfect, complete, and powerful beyond our present ability to fully comprehend.  Precious one, He made you in your mother’s womb, and you are very special to Him:-)</p>
<p>May the Lord bless you, keep you, guide you, and make His face to shine upon you and your loved ones always.</p>
<p>Your brother in Christ,</p>
<p>Rev Jason Thurwanger</p>
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<link>http://urgencytorise.com/2009/11/23/what-will-you-do/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>time2stand</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Introducing a new video.  What will you do?  I hope you will at least pray, and pray authentically. ]]></description>
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<link>http://urgencytorise.com/2009/11/23/hold-onto-your-seats-this-is-gonna-hurt/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>time2stand</dc:creator>
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<link>http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/act-in-haste-repent-at-leisure/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>churchmouse</dc:creator>
<guid>http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/act-in-haste-repent-at-leisure/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Some of you will have heard that before at home or at school.  &#8216;Actions have consequences]]></description>
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<p>Today&#8217;s post is about what sometimes happens when we do things before we should.  Yes, this is about sex. </p>
<p>With the Christmas party season just around the corner, the temptation will be there to have that extra glass of wine or spirits.  And, once relaxed, we may turn to more carnal pleasures. </p>
<p>So often we are unprepared for what happens next.  Sometimes, a woman finds herself with child and thinks she can just have an abortion.  But many people don&#8217;t know how quickly young life starts to look recognisable.  That &#8217;lump of cells&#8217; is starting to take shape.  Inside of a few weeks, limbs are forming.  A head looks like a head.  Hands and feet are tiny, yet visible.     </p>
<p>A lot of teens and adults have no idea how soon this development takes place in the womb.  Abortion appears to be the easy option. </p>
<p>If you have children of both sexes who are of high school or college age, please make sure they see this film.  Yes, it&#8217;s graphic, so you&#8217;ll probably want to view it alone before showing them.  Had a similar film been available when my classmates and I were teens, it would have <em>really</em> put sexual congress in perspective.  Not all of us approached it so casually, but some did.  And for a few of them, there were grave consequences indeed. </p>
<p>The film comes from <em>Catholic Online</em>.  Click <a href="http://www.catholic.org/video/?v=13" target="_blank">here</a> to watch.  It&#8217;s a short, sharp shock. </p>
<p>And, there&#8217;s more, surprisingly, from the <em>New York Times</em>, which carried a feature in October about a <a href="http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/behind-19/" target="_blank">pro-life campaigner and theology professor who photographed fetal remains</a>.  Many people will be surprised to see what some of these aborted fetuses look like.</p>
<p>And, finally, <a href="http://www.priestsforlife.org/images/index.aspx#galleries" target="_blank">Priests for Life has a page of links</a> showing what fetuses look like at various trimesters.  Hardly a &#8216;handful of cells&#8217;.  </p>
<p>Many people are living in ignorance about abortion.  Where I live the clergy have decided that if you&#8217;ve given it enough thought, you can go and have an abortion.  This, sadly, includes a Catholic priest.  Every pastor, vicar and lay minister should have these photos printed out in colour and placed in a discreet booklet.  Then, at the appropriate moment, he can show the booklet to anyone who comes to him for advice on abortion.  I reckon they would be gobsmacked. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&#38;pageId=109849" target="_blank">&#8216;Only a handful of cells&#8217;, as Cass Sunstein</a>, Obama&#8217;s regulatory czar says?  My foot.  This is the guy who also said (same link):</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">A full-grown horse or dog, is beyond comparison a more rational, as well as a more conversable animal, than an infant of a day or a week or even a month, old</span>.</p>
<p>This misleading &#8217;rhetoric&#8217; is shameful.  These folks just want us to live in ignorance.  Well, it&#8217;s time to wise up, rise up and educate ourselves.</p>
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<link>http://douglawrence.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/a-former-protestant-shares-insights-into-the-bible-that-led-him-to-become-catholic/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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<guid>http://douglawrence.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/a-former-protestant-shares-insights-into-the-bible-that-led-him-to-become-catholic/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[by Marcus Grodi One of the more commonly shared experiences of Protestant converts to the Catholic C]]></description>
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<img src="http://www.chnetwork.org/Images/Marcus%20Grodi.jpg" alt="" width="170" align="right" />One of the more commonly shared experiences of Protestant converts to the Catholic Church is the discovery of verses “we never saw.” Even after years of studying, preaching, and teaching the Bible, sometimes from cover to cover, all of a sudden a verse “we never saw” appears as if by magic and becomes an “Aha!” mind-opening, life-altering messenger of spiritual “doom”! Sometimes it’s just recognizing an alternate, clearer meaning of a familiar verse, but often, as with some of the verses mentioned below, it literally seems as if some Catholic had snuck in during the night and somehow put that verse there in the text!</p>
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<link>http://truthinator.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/comparison-rick-warren-vs-truth/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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<guid>http://truthinator.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/comparison-rick-warren-vs-truth/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[ Deception Driven Church? You decide&#8230;   Stuart L. Brogden compiled this comparison between wha]]></description>
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<div>Stuart L. Brogden compiled this comparison between what Relevant Rick teaches in <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Purpose Driven Church</span> and what the Bible teaches.</div>
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<p>All the work of all men contains error.  That I perceive error in Rick Warren’s work is not note worthy.  But the repeated patterns of false teaching over 20 or more years and 25 million or so books combine for something to take notice of.  This book proclaims an Armenian, man-centered view of the world and its Creator, claiming all the while to be a Biblically sound God-centered work.  I think it is actually Biblically bankrupt, gilded with the false gospel of pragmatism.  As subtle and dangerous as the serpent in the garden, Warren calls us to believe a lie.</p>
<p>Curious – Many people have criticized Rick Warren by calling him a disciple or associate of Robert Schuller.  Warren has denied in this in myriad letters and articles, wanting to put distance between himself and the father of “possibility thinking”.  So why does Warren include Schuller’s effusive endorsement of this book (on the third page of the endorsements in the front of the book)?  And why does so much of Warren’s instruction sound so much like Schuller (see quotes at the end of this review)?</p>
<p>“The Purpose Driven Church” (PDC) is a humanistic, psychological view of how to handle a church, sprinkled with scripture in whichever translation or version can most easily be used to allegedly support Warren’s claims.  Whereas “The Purpose Driven Life” started out with a truth and spent itself in contradiction, so does PDC – claiming rightfully (page 14) “Only God makes the church grow” – and spending nearly 400 pages telling man how to manipulate people into something that only looks like church growth.</p>
<p>The foreward is a sugary sweet, sappy tribute from a once credible W.A. Criswell.  In his opening statement, Criswell declares that “God could not have a given me a more beloved and effective ‘son in the ministry’ than Rick Warren.”  You know a man is wrong when he limits God or assigns human characteristics to Him.  Criswell claims Saddleback “has grown <em>without compromising the mission or the doctrine</em> of a New Testament church.”  (Italics in the original.)  We shall see.  Criswell parrots the Schuller/Warren principal – “If churches are to be successful in evangelizing our society, which is becoming more pagan by the day, they must learn to think like an unbeliever.”  (Sic)  Right there, Criswell shows that he has lost sight of the New Testament church.</p>
<p>In what appears to be the introduction, Warren tells us the church must “look for the spiritual waves” of church growth, saying “because our churches haven’t been taught the needed skills, we are missing the spiritual waves that could bring revival, health, and explosive growth to our churches.”  Evidently, Warren’s Bible is not adequate instruction to the church or its members on the topic of spiritual outreach and discipleship.  He shows us right off that he is focused on “growth”.  And in this introduction, as well as throughout the book, Warren pays lip service to God while heralding and teaching humanistic methods.</p>
<p>It appears, even in the introduction, that Warren has slipped into an Armenian worldview, saying churches need to ask, “What barriers are blocking the waves God wants to send our way?”  (pages 15 &#38; 16)  Poor, God Almighty – needs the church to move barriers out of the way.  Warren tells us (page 17) “the key issue for churches in the twenty-first century will be church <em>health</em>, not church growth.”  He then goes on to tell us, same page, that he’s “been a student of growing churches” for over twenty years. </p>
<p>On page 18, Warren rightly lauds the Bible, and then declares, “My greatest source of learning, however has been watching what God has done in the church I pastor.”  This pragmatic view – study men and how to motivate them &#8211; pervades this whole book, and everything of Warren that I’ve read.</p>
<p>In Part One, page 26 &#38; 27, Warren reciprocates Criswell’s sappy sweet foreword, quoting a Criswell prayer/prophecy of church growth for Warren, convinced that God had called him to pastor a church – sounding much like a mutual admiration society.  Warren admonishes us (page 27) to not “copy things we did without considering the context”, but to look at the “transferable principles”.  We will see what these “transferable principles” are shortly. </p>
<p>Still on page 27, Warren states, “Very little of Saddleback’s ministry was preplanned.”  Remember this claim.  He then devotes the balance of chapter 1 describing all the planning that went into the “planting” of Saddleback.  His research led Warren to conclude that the pastor is the key figure in the health and growth of the church, describing the pastor as the “daddy” of the church!  Any church that has this view of its pastor has already failed. </p>
<p>In spite of telling us that only God grows the church, Warren’s research drew him to the fastest growing population center in the country, a fact that “grabbed me by the throat and made my heart start racing.”  Lots of people moving into an area typified by upper middle class Americans certainly set a solid stage for numerical growth – a very pragmatic view. </p>
<p>On page 38, Warren recommends a list of preachers he heard on the radio.  While several on Warren’s list are sound pastors, he recommends to his reader Robert Schuller and John Wimber as well.  No disciple of Christ should recommend these false teachers to anyone, much less the wide and long term audience of a book. </p>
<p>And on the next page, Warren says that, with Saddleback, he ”determined to <em>begin</em> with unbelievers, rather than a core of committed Christians.”  Consider this statement carefully.  In the first case, the church is comprised of believers, not those who don’t believe.  By purposefully refusing to build his church surrounded by mature saints, there was nobody to hold Warren accountable as a preacher.  Who in this group of lost folks that he gathered could understand anything spiritual?  The Bible tells us those who are lost cannot discern spiritual matters.  A “pastor” with only lost people in his “church” is no pastor.  What Warren started was an evangelistic outreach to middle class lost Americans – not a church.  Near the end of this page Warren tells us he spent <em>12 weeks</em> studying lost folks in order to know what his “church” should be like.  “No planning” went into the founding of Saddleback, he told us.  Studying heathens, rather than scripture, was how he planned Saddleback.  Apparently without any elders or other biblical safeguards, he was swept away by one of the “spiritual waves” he was surfing for.</p>
<p>Page 44 – “pastor” Warren excitedly recounts how Saddleback “caught a wave”, when over 200 heathens showed up to the service designed with them in mind.  While many churches have operated in temporary settings, Warren touts Saddleback’s “homeless” years as if they were a special virtue.  Thankfully, he recounts a proper understanding of the Great Commission (page 46), yet he leaves this reader wondering how many of his “seekers” make it around the “bases” to becoming a “servant-hearted Christian.” </p>
<p>Starting on page 47, Warren uses “conventional wisdom” to create several straw-man myths to knock down.</p>
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<li>“Myth #1: The Only Thing That Large Churches Care About Is Attendance.”  While many have rightfully pointed out the tendency of many large churches to focus too much attention on attendance, I have never heard of any rational person saying it’s the <em>only</em> thing.  Warren’s own words, with the series of “if” statements leave out the essential bit of the Gospel, wherein the lost are confronted with their sin and the attendant need of a Savior.  He “validates” his Gospel-lite by observing, “it’s happening all over the world.”  On page 49 we are told that “Intentionally setting up a strategy and a structure to force ourselves to give equal attention to each purpose is what being a purpose-driven church is all about.”  None of Warren’s 5 listed purposes (page 49) convey the Gospel of Jesus Christ.</li>
<li>Myths 2, 3, &#38; 4: Once again, Warren touts all-or-nothing myths that are, in truth, common failings among many churches.  In talking about purpose #4, Warren discloses that his view of church discipline consists of dropping from membership those rogues who fail to fulfill the membership covenant.  I don’t think that’s what the Lord tells us in Matthew 18.</li>
<li>“Myth #5: If You Are Dedicated Enough, Your Church Will Grow.”  Any pastor who believes this “myth” has lost sight of Who builds the church.  To counter “good, godly pastors” who are dedicated yet have churches that are not growing, Warren provides a prescription that follows the same rabbit trail as his “myth” – relying on human effort.</li>
<li>“Myth #7: All God Expects of Us Is Faithfulness” In the short list that follows, Warren tells us we must also bear fruit (true) and makes it sound as if we can make ourselves be fruitful.  Bearing spiritual fruit is the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of saints, not a trait the person can develop.</li>
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<p>Let me take a break and say that I think pages 64, 65, 68 – 79, and 393 &#38; 394 are sound teaching.  Not all in this book is worthless or dangerous, but even these passages are mere “spiritual cotton candy”.</p>
<p>On page 77, Warren uses metaphorical, non-Biblical definitions to build a case for churches being driven.  In Scripture, the word drive and derivatives are used in conjunction with people being punished.  Those being treated kindly by God are led, as sheep, not driven.  Context is key to proper interpretation, and Warren strips a word out of its Biblical context and uses its tertiary meaning to lay the foundation for his whole trademarked “driven” model, pulling people away from the Biblical view of how God leads His children.</p>
<p>Near the bottom of page 79, Warren gives a welcome warning to not “allow seekers to drive the total agenda of the church.” – but I must confess that this book, as a whole, leads me to believe Warren allows “seekers” to drive entirely too much of his church’s agenda. </p>
<p>After listing, on pages 77 – 79, seven things that should not drive churches (tradition, personality, finances, programs, buildings, events, and seekers), he reveals, on page 80, “What is needed today are churches that are driven by purpose instead of by other forces.”  And, “You must begin to look at everything your church does through the lens of five New Testament purposes”.  Warren’s 5 purposes are culled from scripture, but, again, churches and saints are to be led by the Spirit of God – not driven by anything.  And his 5 purposes are not “the lens” of the Word.</p>
<p>On pages 86 &#38; 87, Warren uses different Bible paraphrases to ensure the word “purpose” is used.  On page 91, he tells us that the church in Philippi was “captivated by Paul’s mission” (Philippians 4:15); whereas Paul makes it clear that he preached Christ crucified and resurrected – people were captivated by Christ and led by His Spirit, not Paul’s “mission”.</p>
<p>On page 93, we are pointed to scripture for the correct question, but led to Warren’s self-proclaimed mentor, heathen business guru Peter Drucker, for the diagnostic standard: “Your church’s purpose statement must become the standard by which you measure your congregation’s health and growth.”  Oops.  I thought the Bible and the Holy Spirit give us everything needed to live a righteous life in Christ Jesus (2 Peter 2:1 – 3)</p>
<p>Page 95: Warren tells about a church that he claims was “theologically sound” and “sound asleep”.  He says, “the church leaders had become lazy and lethargic.”  That does not sound like a “theologically sound” church to me.  It appears to be labeled as such to create a straw man to be knocked down by Warren.</p>
<p>On the next page, Warren tells us, “Prior to starting Saddleback Church I took six months to do an extensive, personal Bible study on the church”.  Remember page 27 – not much planning went into Saddleback?  As part of Warren’s Bible study on the church, about a third of his listed scripture passages are from the four Gospel accounts – they describe Christ’s life, but not the church.  Remember – most of the life of Christ took place <em>before</em> the New Testament church was founded.</p>
<p>In Part Two, Warren describes “the 5 purposes for the church” – Biblically sound purposes but not completely sound in his exposition on them.  “Purpose #3: Go and make disciples.  This purpose we call <em>evangelism</em>.”  One must indeed evangelize (preach the Gospel to) lost folks before they can be discipled, but the focus of this aspect of the Great Commission is on the making of disciples – not evangelism.  Seeker sensitive churches are widely critiqued as being ineffective in discipleship – this error may explain that, in part.</p>
<p>In describing Saddleback’s purpose statement, Warren notes “three important distinctives”, the first of which is, “it is stated <em>in terms of results</em> rather than in terms of activity.”  This is a common failing of man – trying to control the results of his activities; pragmatism defined.  (From John MacArthur: “What is pragmatism?  Basically it is the philosophy that results determine meaning, truth, and value–what will work becomes a more important question than what is true.  As Christians, we are called to trust what the Lord says, preach that message to others, and leave the results to Him. But many have set that aside.  Seeking relevancy and success, they have welcomed the pragmatic approach and have received the proverbial Trojan horse.”)  Throughout His Word, God calls His people to obedience – not to results.  Often, the results He brings about are not what man expects or would seek.  I believe the Biblical pattern is to remind us that our efforts have no merit before God – only the work of Jesus does. </p>
<p>On page 109, Warren sums up his argument for your church to adopt his purpose-driven model by saying, “To do less <em>is to leave to chance</em> the great responsibility we’ve given by our Lord Jesus Christ.”  (emphasis mine)  This is another glimpse into what appears to be Warren’s Armenian view of God.  And if recommending Schuller and Wimber are not enough, Warren touts David (or Paul) Yonggi Cho’s occult Central Church in Seoul, Korea.  This man has written &#8220;You can create the presence of Jesus with your mouth.  He is bound by your lips and by your words.&#8221;  He and Schuller are fans of one another and disciples of the risen Lord Jesus should view neither of them credibly.</p>
<p>In chapter 6, Warren teaches pastors how to communicate their purposes.  He reviews the narrative of Nehemiah’s rebuilding of the wall around Jerusalem and discovers what he calls, “the Nehemiah principle”.  Since the Jews working on the wall grew discouraged after 26 days of work, Warren projects that onto every church and declares, “<em>Vision and purpose must be restated every twenty-six days to keep the church moving in the right direction.</em>”  Certainly, a degree of repetition is a hallmark of effective communication.  But the larger issue is that of deriving a key principle from a narrative contained in scripture.  This is a dangerous practice, the best example I can think of being Bruce Wilkerson’s subtly deceptive book, “The Prayer of Jabez”.</p>
<p>On pages 113 and 114, Warren encourages good personal management techniques – once again showing how to create “good results” by manipulating people and calling it God’s work.  “People tend to do whatever gets rewarded, so make heroes of people in your church when they do the work of the church.”  God tells us not to seek the applause or rewards of men, but to trust God who is faithful to reward those walk by faith, not by sight.  Biblical leadership often flies in the face of accepted “good personal management techniques.”</p>
<p>Warren stays on track into chapter 7, opening with a story about George Whitfield and John Wesley.  Whitfield preached 18,000 sermons to 100,000 people but left no organization behind, whereas Wesley left us the Methodist denomination – as if what we can see today determines the value of the work these men did.  And as far as I can tell, the Lord Jesus did not leave us much of an organization – what would Warren say about His legacy?  Further in this chapter, pages 126 &#38; 127, Warren recommends false teachers among others who are Biblically sound.  Check out the teachings of Dallas Willard, Richard Foster, and Peter Wagner – men who think themselves modern prophets and apostles of the church. </p>
<p>In discussing Saddleback’s “5 Circles of Community”, pages 131 and following, Warren tells us he focuses evangelism efforts on those who have already attended his church.  He is either derelict in failing to send witnesses out into the lost world or admitting his “church” is fairly well full of lost folks.  He admits that a heathen cannot worship God, but is “convinced that genuine worship is a powerful witness to unbelievers if it is done in a style that makes sense to them.”  Genuine worship is a spiritual act and impossible for a lost person to comprehend.  But note that Warren emphasizes the <em>style</em> of worship, as if the emotional connection with the music can save anyone.  And this from a man who adamantly maintains style and methods don’t matter in justifying his use of all sorts of culturally relevant music and drama.  He goes on to say, “If an unbeliever makes a commitment to regular attendance at Saddleback, I believe it will be just a matter of time until he accepts Christ.”  With Warren’s declared determination to avoid preaching the law or anything that would convict a lost person of his sin, one wonders what in Saddleback would cause anyone to be saved.  Time hanging with supposed saints won’t save anyone unless the Gospel is preached – which does not appear to happen at Saddleback.</p>
<p>On page 133, Warren describes Saddleback’s membership covenant, which requires “a commitment to three spiritual habits: (1) having a daily quiet time, (2) tithing ten percent of their income (Nowhere in scripture are Christian instructed – even implicitly – to tithe, but give as the Spirit of God leads and not under compulsion. &#8211; 2 Corinthians 9:6 &#38; 7), and (3) being active in a small group.”  This sounds like the chains of legalism – whereas the Bible tells Saints to be led by the Spirit in such matters.  He sets up this disclosure by describing people who are “dedicated to growing in discipleship” … “but they have not yet gotten involved in ministry.”  This is a contradiction in terms, indicating that pastor Rick has a non-Biblical definition of discipleship. </p>
<p>Warren says, “Jesus started where people were – at their level of commitment – but he never left them there.”  I do not see this when I read the Bible: lost folks have NO commitment to Christ.  He says Jesus “didn’t lay any heavy requirement” on John and Andrew, but every Jewish boy <em>knew</em> the total commitment required when a Rabbi bid one, “come”.  Further on page 135, Warren claims that Christ did not issue “his ultimate challenge to the crowd” until these people had hung around Him for three years and saw the ways in which He loved them.  “Jesus was able to ask for that kind of commitment only after demonstrating his love for them and earning their trust.”  Unlike sinful man, Jesus the Christ does not need to <em>earn</em> anything before He speaks Truth to anyone.  Warren puts too much emphasis on the lost person rather than on the Gospel. </p>
<p>In chapter 8, Warren tells us “There are ten areas you must consider as you begin to reshape your church into a purpose-driven church.”  Where in Scripture are pastors advised to “reshape” the churches they shepherd?  He says he cautions other churches to <em>not</em> clone Saddleback, yet lists 10 mandatory “principles”, 5 purposes, and his own “circles of influence” that these churches must embrace.  “Notice that I suggest you grow your church from the outside in, rather than from the inside out.”  Read the book of Acts – the church was made up of saints and disciples who were sent out into the cities, the reverse of what Pastor Rick suggests.  “The problem I have found with an ‘inside-out’ approach is that by the time the church planter has ‘discipled’ his core, they have often lost contact with the community and are actually afraid of interacting with the unchurched.”  This is another indication that Pastor Rick knows very little of Biblical discipleship, but at least gives credit for this backwards idea where it is due – false apostle C. Peter Wagner!</p>
<p>On page 139, we find out that the first year of Saddleback, when ostensibly everyone was lost except (?) Pastor Rick, he “preached very simple, straightforward evangelistic series such as ‘Good News About Common Problems’ and ‘God’s Plan for Your Life.’”  There are pop-psychology messages with a Bible flavor – not evangelistic, or Gospel, presentations.  How can he say that “most of them (the 200 attenders) were brand new believers.” considering his messages?  God’s Word shows the error of this approach: “<em>Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man&#8217;s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.  <strong>But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.</strong></em>”  1 Corinthians 2:12 – 14</p>
<p>In a highlight box on page 156, we are admonished, “Never criticize any method that God is blessing!”  Yet all the criteria Warren urges us to use are that which the eye can see, and ignores the Biblical command to “<em>test all things, hold on to that which is good</em>” (1 Thessalonians 5:21), with “good” being in accordance with God’s view.  On page 157 we are urged to use market research to determine “when, where, and how” evangelism should be pursued and on page 158 tells us a church “driven by market forces rather than the Word of God” will be “unstable and unbiblical.”  One page is wrong, one is right. </p>
<p>Page 160, Warren continues in his study of man as first priority: “I must pay as much attention to the geography, customs, culture, and religious background of my community as I do to those who live in Bible times if I am to faithfully communicate God’s Word.”  The Word of God cannot be understood or communicated unless one seeks to know the literal, grammatical, and historical context of the text.  Nobody in scripture paid that much attention to the spiritually dead people they encountered.  They proclaimed the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus and commended men to believe on Him!</p>
<p>Pastor Rick advises us to tailor the presentation based on the worldly concerns our “crowd” is perceived as having – resulting in a false gospel that might as well be delivered by Joel Osteen.  By telling lost folks how God can make their marriage better, we teach people to look to the Lord for temporal rewards that satisfy our flesh.  But in truth, lost people need to know they are dead in sin, convicted by the Law, so they might realize their deepest need and cry out to the Lamb of God for mercy.  If “god” makes their life more comfortable and they are not confronted with their rebellion against the Holy Creator God, we have made their path to hell all the more pleasant – heaping judgment on ourselves (James 3:1).</p>
<p>Opening up chapter 10, page 173, Warren declares, “Even a casual reading of the New Testament will show that the Gospel spread primarily through relationships.”  Relationships are important, but the Gospel was and is spread through the <em>preaching</em> of it – mostly to people the preacher knows only superficially.  In the next page, we are told, “The people your church is most likely to reach are those who match the existing culture of your church.”  This is true if you do not make disciples and send them out into the world to proclaim the Gospel to all tongues and nations.  The church is not intended to be a reflection of the culture – it is, by definition, counter culture and intended to make a difference in the world.  Warren’s advice is for the church to be conformed to patterns of the world, contrary to Romans 12:1 – 2.</p>
<p>Pastor Rick reinforces this un-Biblical nonsense on pages 188 – 189, where we are told to think like lost people.  This is Warren’s interpretation of the scriptural mandate to “understand the times”?  He shows a shallow view of the Lord: “Jesus <em>often</em> knew what unbelievers were thinking.  He was effective in dealing with people because he understood and was able to defuse the mental barriers they held.”  (emphasis mine)  We are to believe that Jesus sometimes did not know what people were thinking – a limited God.  Warren tells us Christ relied on popular psychological theory in order to effectively deal with His creatures.  And we are once again told, “We must learn to think like unbelievers in order to win them. … “The problem is, the longer you are a believer, the less you think like an unbeliever.”  The Bible tell us the old man is dead – we have been re-born as children of God and are now “a peculiar people”; that we are to be salt and light; that lost folk love darkness because their deeds are dark; and that we are not to hide our light under a bushel.  Pastor Rick thinks the church exists to be valued by pagans!  Paul gives a different prescription in 2 Corinthians 4:3 – 6: “<em>But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus&#8217; sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.</em>”</p>
<p>You can read many objections from Rick Warren anytime someone publicly associates him with Robert Schuller.  But again, on page 190, Warren shows us how big an impact Schuller had on him.  It should not be a surprise that so many of Schuller’s people pleasing ways are embraced and endorsed by Warren.  Near the bottom of Page 191, this pearl: “The unchurched aren’t asking for watered-down messages, just practical ones.  They want to hear something on Sunday that they can apply on Monday.”  Warren’s idea of church is to help lost folks have a better life, according to the world’s standard.  The Creator’s idea of church is for the saints to come together for worship, discipleship, fellowship, and be sent into the world proclaiming the life, death, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus.  And yes, we welcome lost people into the church – we simply don’t expect them to be comfortable there.  They should be confronted with the Word of God and their sinful nature.</p>
<p>Warren’s own “tale of success” in the early days of Saddleback tells the sad truth in what is left unsaid.  He defined Saddleback as “a church for the unchurched”, and he attracted many of them, summing up with, “You have to decide who you want to impress.”  Warren wants to impress lost folk – his charge, however, is to honor God.  On page 195: “This is the heart of Saddleback’s evangelism strategy: We must be willing to catch fish on their own terms.”  Fish don’t want to be caught!  And lost men do not seek after God.  His Word doesn’t tell us to be on the same wavelength as lost men, He tells us to be fishers <em>of</em> men – different from them, with a mission they cannot understand.  Warren tells us (page 197) that he has determined that Jesus had no “standard approach” in evangelism.  He is talking about “style points”, not content or motive.  I am convinced that a careful reading of the New Testament shows that Jesus did have a “standard approach.  Evangelist Ray Comfort sums it up thusly – “With the Law we break the proud heart; with the gospel we heal the broken heart.”  And, “If we care about the lost, we will not hesitate to speak to them about sin, righteousness, and judgment … the way Jesus did.”  In Mark 10:17 – 22, the Lord used the law to expose the rich man as idolater, in John 5:45 – 47, Jesus confronts the Jews with the accusation of the Law of Moses.  In John 4:4 – 26 the Lord seeks out the woman at the well and uses the law to gently confront her with her sin – violating the 7<sup>th</sup> commandment.</p>
<p>On page 219, Pastor Rick says, “Jesus often established a beachhead for evangelism in a person’s life by meeting a felt need.”  And he cites not one example &#8211; because there are none.  Dr. Luke records this encounter with the “crowd”: “<em>And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them<strong>, If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.</strong>  And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.</em>”  (Luke 14:25 – 27)  The Apostle John recorded this encounter (John 6:24 – 27):  “<em>When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.  And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?  Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, <strong>Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.</strong>  Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.</em>”  And in verses 52 – 61: ”<em>The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.  Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.  As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.  This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.  These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.  Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?  <strong>When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?</strong></em><strong>” </strong> Culminating in verses 65 &#38; 66: “<em>And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. <strong> From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.</strong></em>”</p>
<p>Jesus doesn’t sound like Rick Warren.  To Whom shall we listen?</p>
<p>Ever the pragmatist, Warren tells us (page 224) that a passage in Luke 4 is all about Jesus “meeting needs and healing hurts.”  Jesus used that well known passage from Isaiah to establish His claim as Messiah, not “meet needs or heal hurts”.  On page 230, he beats the same drum: “The unchurched are not asking that we change the message or even dilute it, only that we show its relevance. …  I’ve found that the unchurched in America are very interested in Bible doctrine when it is applied in practical and relevant ways to their lives.”  What I’ve observed is that lost folks – whether they be “churched” or “unchurched” – want their ears tickled.  They want to be told that God loves them and wants them to be healthy and wealthy – things that are “practical and relevant”.  This is why prosperity gospel pimps such as T.D. Jakes and Joel Osteen can fill up stadiums!  The Word of God tells us to preach the simple Truth and not work to earn the approval of men.  Lost folk do not need motivational messages on how to “live large with Jesus” – they need to repent and be saved.</p>
<p>Warren thinks (page 232) that the major purpose of Christ’s parables was to entertain folk and ensure they would remember His story.  But in Matthew 15, Mark 4, Mark 7, Luke 8, John 10 and other passages, His very own disciples failed to understand the parable and sought an explanation.  And while Pastor Rick cites Matthew 13:34, he did so as a proof-text, as verse 35 makes clear: He spoke in parables to fulfill scripture, not to satisfy the felt needs of unchurched Harry.  But if His purpose was as Warren claims, why did so many people need – and still need – an explanation of them?  To close this question, the Lord Himself gives us the answer in Matthew 13:10 – 13 (<strong><em>And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?  He answered and said unto them, Because</em></strong><em> <strong>it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. </strong> For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.  Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.</em>)  And Luke 8:9 – 10 (<em>And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?  And he said, <strong>Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand</strong>.</em>)</p>
<p>On page 241, “America’s Pastor” tells us “More people are won to Christ by <em>feeling God’s presence</em> than by all our apologetic arguments combined.”  This is a false argument: apologetics is not what wins people to Christ – the Gospel does that.  It is by preaching the Word of the Lord that people are saved – not by feeling anything.  He ascribes the salvation of the 3,000 people recorded in Acts 2 to their having felt God’s presence.  But the Bible makes it clear that the Spirit of God empowered Peter and it was the Word of God proclaimed by Peter that caused the response.  Read Acts 2:1 – 36 to see the set-up and the message of Christ crucified.  Then in verses 37 &#8211; 41: “<em>Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?  Then <strong>Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins</strong>, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.  And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.  <strong>Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.</strong></em>”</p>
<p>Do you perceive these people were saved by having “felt God’s presence” or by the Word of God piercing their sinful hearts?</p>
<p>Page 243, Warren joins countless seeker sensitive fans by misappropriating 1 Corinthians 14:23.  Paul’s main argument was not to restrict the use of tongues so lost people wouldn’t think them foolish – this is a final argument in Paul’s long, passionate discourse against the improper use of this spiritual gift.  His main point was to encourage the saints to speak in a known tongue so others in the church could understand them.  It’s almost “and by the way, don’t you see how a heathen who might wander in here could think you mad?”  It was not normative in the early church for lost people to fill up the meeting place.  The church was of and for believers.</p>
<p>On pages 244 and 245 Warren furthers his humanistic view that unchurched people ought to have their felt needs addressed from the pulpit.  He again tells us these unchurched “expect to hear the Bible when they come to church.”  How would such a person know what to expect from the Word of God?  Go back to 1 Corinthians 2:12 – 14.  Pastor Rick tells us “They are looking for solutions, not a scolding.”  The problem for Rick and other seeker sensitive pastors is that unless a lost person is confronted with his condition (being dead is sin) he will not see any value in the Lamb of God.  The Gospel is not a scolding – but neither is it offering solutions to life’s circumstantial problems.  Warren instructs, “Design one worship service to edify believers and another service to evangelize the unchurched friends brought by your members.”  He then describes how he has marginalized the Saints by devoting weekends at Saddleback to lost folks.  We can readily surmise that Saddleback is a church on Wednesday evenings, but not on Saturdays or Sundays.</p>
<p>In chapter 14 – Designing a Seeker-Sensitive Service, Warren once again relies on and recommends a false prophet to make his point – citing “Apostle” Peter Wagner on page 267:  “When you run out of space, you experience what Pete Wagner calls ‘sociological strangulation’.”  But many churches have experienced true fellowship and spiritual growth while struggling with the logistical constraints of what experts see as too little space.  My wife heard a pastor in such a situation say, “Some pastors think you need 200 square feet per person.  We have 200 people per square feet!”  And he was praising God – not complaining about being “sociologically strangled.”</p>
<p>On to chapter 16 – Preaching to the Unchurched, Pastor Rick says, “The common ground we have with unbelievers is not the Bible, but our common needs, hurts, and interests as human beings.”  This is fine guidance on how to start a fraternal organization, such as a Rotary Club – the Bible tells us that unbelievers’ greatest need is salvation.  That we saints share some of the same sinful “habits and hang-ups” as the “unchurched” can be an encouragement to the lost, as we teach them that <em>all</em> are unworthy apart from Christ.  Nowhere in this chapter does Pastor Rick advise the use of the law to convict people of their sin; he only wants the lost folk to know they are valuable and loved, etc.  They may well go to hell thinking this, having never been convicted of sin or saved by grace.  Good feelings save nobody.</p>
<p>On page 312, Warren poses a handful of questions that unchurched people want answered before they are willing to join the church:</p>
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<li>Do I fit here?</li>
<li>Does anybody want to know me?</li>
<li>Am I needed?</li>
<li>What is the advantage of joining?</li>
<li>What is required of members?</li>
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<p>Rick shows us, once again, that his focus is on growing the “church” by answering the “felt needs” of the flesh – not following the Biblical mandate on how to lead a flock of believers.  He is building a social fraternity and calling it “church”.</p>
<p>In chapter 16 – Turning Members into Ministers, Warren mixes some solid Biblical instruction with a humanistic, Jungian psychological matrix appraisal of people – his five SHAPE factors.  A detailed comparison of Warren’s SHAPE to Jungian psychology and God’s Word can be found at the end of this review.</p>
<p>Page 384, Warren again confirms he sees man as more important than does our Creator: “The most critical factor in a new ministry isn’t the <em>idea</em>, but the <em>leadership</em>.”  Jesus, the most important human ever, said this about Himself vs. the message (or idea): “<em>When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that <strong>I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things</strong>.</em>  (John 8:28)”, “<em>but I have called you friends; for <strong>all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you</strong>.  Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you,</em> (John 15:15b – 16a).”  The Bible tells us the main thing is the message, not the messenger.</p>
<p>Lastly, page 395 – “Purpose-driven churches are led by purpose-driven leaders.”  Although I care nothing for Warren’s penchant for using “purpose-driven”, leave it aside.  Consider this – Churches are led by leaders.  Now consider the Words of the One Who “wrote the Book” on “how to do church”:  “<em>Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.</em></p>
<p><em>And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.”</em>  (2 Timothy 2:1 – 2)  And recall the Words of Jesus, above – He spoke and worked only what His Father told Him.  <strong>The only leadership is from God and the truly effective pastor will be purposeful and Spirit led.</strong></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Quotes from Schuller – or is it Rick Warren?</span></p>
<p>Rick Warren denies virtually every connection and influence with or of Robert Schuller.  But judge for yourself – read a few choice quotes from Schuller and see if Warren’s teaching doesn’t line up near perfectly.  Read more at <a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac23.htm">http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac23.htm</a></p>
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<p><strong>&#8220;Yes, here is a theology for church growth.  Here is a theology for success, for the secret of success is to find a need and fill it.  Truly, when the church reforms and refines all of its theological expressions around every person&#8217;s daily need for self-affirmation, it shall flourish &#8216;like trees planted by rivers of water.&#8217;&#8221;  (Robert Schuller, &#8220;Self-Esteem: the New Reformation,&#8221; page 175)</strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;People who have studied our work and read our materials have said that historically we are not like other churches.  Denominations and religions started with teaching a theology about God.  Whenever there was disagreement with each other about a certain detail, the result was to establish a new religion or branch thereof, so today there are many different denominations and lots of different religions.  When I started this ministry, I chose to focus on human need and said, </strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Let&#8217;s ask what a human being really is?  What does he need?&#8221;  And is there a God who can provide for those needs and what kind of God does he need?  So we started talking about the needs in humanity and we defined the single deepest need of the human being.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p><strong>(Robert Schuller, &#8220;Mirror or Window People: Which Are You?”  August 2, 2004)</strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Classical theology has erred in its insistence that theology be &#8216;God-centered,&#8217; not &#8216;man-centered&#8217;.&#8221;  (Robert Schuller, &#8220;Self-Esteem: the New Reformation,&#8221; page 64) </strong></p>
<p>&#8220;The classical error of historical Christianity is that we have never started with the value of the person.  Rather, we have started from the &#8216;unworthiness of the sinner,&#8217; and that starting point has set the stage for the glorification of human shame in Christian theology.&#8221;  (Robert Schuller, &#8220;Self-Esteem: the New Reformation,&#8221; page 162)</p>
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<p>CHARTING THE WARREN-JUNG CONNECTION</p>
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<p>(extracted from <a href="http://www.sacredsandwich.com/warren_jung_chart.htm">http://www.sacredsandwich.com/warren_jung_chart.htm</a>)</p>
<h1>THEIR CONNECTION ON PERSONALITY THEORY</h1>
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<td width="32%" valign="top">“When you minister in a manner consistent with the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">personality</span> God gave you, you experience <span style="text-decoration:underline;">fulfillment</span>, satisfaction, and fruitfulness.” (The Purpose Driven Life, p. 246)“…when you are forced to minister in a manner that is “out of character” for your <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperament</span>, it creates tension and discomfort, requires extra effort and energy, and produces less than the best results. This is why mimicking someone else’s ministry never works. You don’t have <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">their</span></em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> personality</span>.” (PDL, p. 245)</td>
<td width="32%" valign="top">“…the ultimate aim and strongest desire of all mankind is to develop that <span style="text-decoration:underline;">fulness</span> (sic) of life which is called <span style="text-decoration:underline;">personality</span>… To the extent that a man is untrue to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">the law of his being</span> and does not rise to personality, he has failed to realize his <span style="text-decoration:underline;">life’s meaning</span>.” (The Development of Personality, Collected Works 17; from The Essential Jung, pg. 191, 207)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">There is absolutely no biblical precedent for this position. Personality typology has <em>never</em> been a criteria for God choosing someone for ministry, but is in great part grounded in Jungian psychology. Did Paul rely on personality assessment to guide his ministry? Hardly&#8230;</p>
<p>“God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised, God has chosen, the things that are not, that He might nullify the things that are, that no man should boast before God.” 1 Cor 1:27-29</p>
<p>“And He has said to me, ‘My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.’ Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ&#8217;s sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.” 2 Cor 12:9-10</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>THEIR CONNECTION ON A MUTUAL BELIEF IN THE &#8220;UNCONSCIOUS&#8221;</strong></div>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“You may be driven by a painful memory, a haunting fear, or an <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> belief.” (PDL, p. 27)“(Guilt-driven people) often <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconsciously</span> punish themselves by sabotaging their own success.” (PDL, pp. 27-28)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“The <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> . . . is the source of the instinctual forces of the psyche and of the forms or categories that regulate them, namely the archetypes.” (The Structure of the Psyche, CW 8, par. 342)“Constant observation pays the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> a tribute that more or less guarantees its cooperation. One of the most important tasks of psychic hygiene [is] to pay continual attention to the symptomatology of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> contents and processes.” (The Portable Jung, New York: Penguin Books, 1986, p. 156)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">The “unconscious” is the foundational concept of both Freudian and Jungian psychology, and has no biblical basis whatsoever. In fact, Scripture does not allow for the idea that people are “driven” by an “unconscious belief.” By endorsing the idea of the unconscious, Warren is promoting the Jungian belief that people must analyze the forces of the unconscious to discover their life’s purpose. According to Scripture, any driving force outside of God’s will is sin, no matter where it resides. Psychology, however, downplays our personal accountability for sin by making the “unconscious” the ultimate reservoir and bastion of unavoidable human instinct.</p>
<p>“And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: <span style="text-decoration:underline;">for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.</span>” Romans 14:23</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>THEIR CONNECTION ON UNCONSCIOUS METAPHORS &#38; IMAGES</strong></p>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“If I asked how you picture life, what image<em> </em>would come to your mind? That <span style="text-decoration:underline;">image</span> is your <span style="text-decoration:underline;">life metaphor</span>. It’s the view of life that you hold, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">consciously or</span> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconsciously</span>, in your mind.” (PDL, pp. 41-42)“Your <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unspoken life metaphor</span> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">influences</span> your life more than you realize. It <span style="text-decoration:underline;">determines</span> your expectations, your values, your relationships, your goals, and your priorities.” (PDL, p. 42)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“An archetypal content expresses itself, first and foremost, in <span style="text-decoration:underline;">metaphors</span>.” (“The Psychology of the Child Archetype,” CW 9i, par. 267)Archetypes are not inborn ideas, but “typical forms of behaviour which, once they become <span style="text-decoration:underline;">conscious</span>, naturally present themselves as <span style="text-decoration:underline;">ideas</span> and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">images</span>, like everything else that becomes a content of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">consciousness</span>.” (Collected Works 8, par. 435)</p>
<p>“Indeed, the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">fate of the individual</span> is largely dependent on <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious factors</span>.” (“Conscious, Unconscious, and Individuation” CW 9)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">The analysis of “metaphors” housed in the unconscious is a trademark concept of psychology, not of Scripture. The use of images, fantasies, and dreams to better understand our “unconscious” is a signature feature of Jungian psychotherapy that borders on the occult.</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>THEIR CONNECTION ON USING JUNGIAN TERMINOLOGY</strong></p>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“God made <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverts</span></em> and <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">extroverts</span></em>… He made some people <em>‘<span style="text-decoration:underline;">thinkers</span>’ </em>and others <em>‘<span style="text-decoration:underline;">feelers</span>.’” </em>(PDL, p. 245)“Your personality will affect <em>how</em> and <em>where</em> you use your spiritual gifts and abilities. For instance, two people may have the same gift of evangelism, but if one is <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> and other is <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extroverted</span>, that gift will be expressed in different ways.” (PDL, p. 245)</p>
<p>“Ask yourself questions:… Am I more <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> or <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extroverted</span>? Am I more a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">thinker</span> or a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">feeler</span>?” (PDL, pp.251-252)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“Two types (of typical differences in human psychology) especially become clear to me; I have termed them the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> and the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extraverted</span> types.” (“Introduction” Psychological Types, CW 6 par. 1)“I have found from experience that the basic psychological functions, this is, functions which are genuinely as well as essentially different from other functions, prove to be <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">thinking</span>, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">feeling</span>, sensation</em>, and <em>intuition</em>. If one of these functions habitually predominates, a corresponding type results. I therefore distinguish a thinking, a feeling, a sensation, and an intuitive type. <em>Each of these types may moreover be either <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> or <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extraverted</span>…</em>” (“Introduction” Psychological Types, CW 6)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Warren is explicitly using the specific terminology of the psychological typology theory originally conceived by Carl Jung. Despite the claims of his supporters, Warren has clearly based his Personality Theory (the &#8220;P&#8221; in his SHAPE teaching) on the unbiblical foundation of Jungian psychology.“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” Colossians 2:8</p>
<p>“Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.” 1 Cor 2:12-13</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>THEIR CONNECTION ON THE FOUR TEMPERAMENTS</strong></p>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“The Bible gives us plenty of proof that God uses all types of personalities. Peter was a <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">sanguine</span></em>. Paul was a <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">choleric</span></em>. Jeremiah was a <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">melancholy</span></em>. When you look at the personality differences in the twelve disciples, it’s easy to see why they sometimes had interpersonal conflict.” (PDL, p. 245)“There is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperament</span><em> </em>for ministry.” (PDL, p. 245)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“…the physicians of ancient times…tried to reduce the bewildering diversity of mankind to orderly groups… The very names of the Galenic <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperaments</span> betray their origin in the pathology of the four “humours.” <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Melancholic</span></em> denotes a preponderance of black bile, <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">phlegmatic</span></em> a preponderance of phlegm or mucus, <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">sanguine</span></em> a preponderance of blood, and <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">choleric</span></em> a preponderance of choler, or yellow bile.” (“Psychological Typology” CW 6)“The whole make-up of the body, its constitution in the broadest sense, has in fact a very great deal to do with psychological <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperament</span>…” (“Psychological Typology” CW 6)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Despite Warren’s claim, the Bible never gives “proof” of the classification of personalities; it is a purely pagan concoction. The four temperaments, as conceived by Hippocrates and later developed by Galen, was a prevalent Greek philosophy during the time of Paul’s apostolic ministry. Unlike Warren and Jung, however, Paul did not implement these Greeks ideas into his teachings. In fact, he categorically rejected them and “determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified” (I Cor 2:2).“O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:” I Timothy 6:20</p>
<p>Worse yet, Warren is teaching that a person’s “no right or wrong” personality is somehow unaffected by the fall and is always beneficial for ministry. How, we ask, does a “phlegmatic temperament” towards laziness and slothfulness serve God’s purpose in ministry?</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>THEIR CONNECTION ON PERSONALITY TESTING</strong></p>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“Today there are many books and tools that can help you understand your personality so you can determine how to use it for God.” (PDL, p. 246)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">MBTI is “based on Jung’s theory of psychological types.” (Isabel Briggs Myers, Introduction to Type, Palo Alto, CA: Consulting Psychologists Press, 1983, p.4)“The (MBTI) Indicator was developed specifically to carry Carl Jung’s theory of type (Jung, 1921, 1971) into practical application.” (Dr. Gordon Lawrence, People Types &#38; Tiger Stripes, p. 6, also p. x)</p>
<p>“Carl Jung’s psychology lies behind&#8230;the MBTI.” (Robert Innes, Personality Indicators and The Spiritual Life, p.8)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Without qualifying this statement, Warren is promoting any and all Jungian personality and temperament tests and theories, including the widely-used Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI), the Kiersey Temperament Sorter (an offshoot of the MBTI), and the Enneagram Test, which has its origin in Sufism, a mystical offshoot of Islam. (Click <a href="http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/web/crj0146a.html" target="_blank">here</a> for more information on Enneagram).Despite the contrary advice offered by Warren, Christians must acknowledge the Bible as the only book needed to understand the human condition:</p>
<p>“For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” Hebrews 4:12</p>
<p>(See also II Timothy 3:16-17)</td>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“Every behavior is motivated by a belief, and every action is prompted by an attitude. God revealed this thousands of years <span style="text-decoration:underline;">before psychologists understood it</span>.” (PDL, p. 181)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“(Unconscious phenomena) manifest themselves in the individual’s behaviour… ” (“Conscious, Unconscious, and Individuation” CW 9)“Modern psychological development leads to a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">much better understanding</span> as to what man really consists of.” (“Psychology and Religion” CW 11)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Warren is suggesting here that psychologists have the same understanding as God on the issue of human behavior, thus putting man’s “wisdom” on equal footing with God’s revelation.If Warren truly believes in the preeminence of God’s revelation to understand man, then why does he rely so heavily on the “useless wisdom” of psychology instead of Scripture?</p>
<p>“For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, ‘He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS‘; and again, ‘THE LORD KNOWS THE REASONINGS of the wise, THAT THEY ARE USELESS.’” I Cor 3:19-20</td>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“The best use of your life is to serve God out of your shape. To do this you <span style="text-decoration:underline;">must discover your shape</span>, learn to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">accept</span> and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">enjoy</span> it, and then <span style="text-decoration:underline;">develop it</span> to its fullest potential.” (PDL, p. 249)The SHAPE program states: “To <span style="text-decoration:underline;">discover your S.H.A.P.E.</span> is to discover where God is calling you to do His work in the world.”</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“Only the man who can <span style="text-decoration:underline;">consciously assent to the power of the inner voice</span> becomes a personality.” (“The Development of Personality” CW 17)“The <span style="text-decoration:underline;">achievement of personality</span> means nothing less than the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">optimum development</span> of the whole individual human being.” (“The Development of Personality” CW 17)</p>
<p>“In so far as every individual has the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">law of his life</span> inborn in him, it is theoretically possible for any man to follow this law and to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">become a personality</span>, this is, to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">achieve wholeness</span>.” (“The Development of Personality” CW 17)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Finding your SHAPE has no biblical support. Warren’s teaching that one must “discover his shape” is philosophically and systematically akin to Jung’s teaching that a man must “consciously assent to the power of the inner voice” and be true to “the law of his being.”While Warren has rightly acknowledged God’s sovereign purpose in creating us, he has mistakenly made God’s divine purpose synonymous with our so-called “shape” by advocating the Jungian idea of developing the personality to “achieve wholeness.” This Jungian process, however, does not serve God, but serves the god within us.</p>
<p>Scripture calls for an active, heartfelt obedience to God’s will through the transforming power of the Spirit, not a misguided exploration of our natural psychological makeup to define our God-given purpose.</p>
<p>“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.” Proverbs 3:5-6</p>
<p>“…your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.” 1 Cor 2:5</td>
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<td width="100%">Yes, Jesus associated with sinners, but he certainly didn&#8217;t borrow his teachings from the Pharisees or any other false teachers. Clearly there is a very tangible connection between Rick Warren&#8217;s SHAPE teaching on personality and the psychological theories of Carl Jung. Not only does Warren base his teachings on parallel psychological concepts, but he uses <em>exact</em> Jungian terms to make his case. By focusing on assessing and developing one’s personality as the key to a successful life or ministry, Warren, like Jung, is promoting a reliance on one’s inner self instead of on God’s transcendent truth and the working of the Holy Spirit. As a popular Christian teacher, how can Warren ignore the crucial biblical truths of the sufficiency of Scripture and the power of the Holy Spirit to perfectly furnish every Christian with the ability to minister according to God&#8217;s purpose?</td>
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<p> Stuart L Brogden <a href="http://brogdensmuse.menofhonorministry.org/">Home</a></p>
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<link>http://zenithmax.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/biblical-moralists-defy-government/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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<guid>http://zenithmax.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/biblical-moralists-defy-government/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[J. Grant Swank, Jr. Biblical ethicists defy left-of-left government intrusion if the latter prods be]]></description>
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<p>Biblical ethicists defy left-of-left government intrusion if the latter prods believers to deny their values.</p>
<p>These stalwarts are in the line of Jesus overturning temple tables, sending merchants fleeing. Jesus defied the power structure in favor of hallowing His Father’s House of Prayer.</p>
<p>Christians through centuries have defied evildoers. They have stood for the God of the Bible while secularists threatened them with harm.</p>
<p>So it is today those adhering to scriptural morals inform a secularist-prone government to move over. These godly disciples will not bend to unbelievers’ demands. They will serve God as God.</p>
<p>“Because we honor justice and the common good,” it states, “we will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide or euthanasia or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriages or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family.”</p>
<p>The document referred to is the Manhattan Declaration per Washington Times’ Julia Duin.</p>
<p>It is bolstered by evangelicals, Roman Catholics and Orthodox leaders in particular. Moralists of all stripes agree with its mission.</p>
<p>Prison Fellowship founder Charles Colson and Princeton University professor Roman Catholic Robert P. George spearheaded this Christian witness. Scores of others join them.</p>
<p>As Barack Hussein Obama, Marxist Muslim, continues to gather about him anti-Christian cohorts, particularly as czars in his shadow government, Christians do what Jesus told them to do.</p>
<p>Jesus instructed His grace children not to hide their lights under bushels. Jesus told His own they were the salt of the earth. Jesus Himself defended heaven’s moral base against the odds, finally being murdered for doing so.</p>
<p>Jesus instructed that in every age His saved ones are to be in the world but not of the world, hence Christians take their testimony into the marketplaces. For that some have been persecuted, others martyred. Nevertheless, Jesus followers boldly hold to His example worldwide.</p>
<p>“There are at least 224 million Christians in the United States, according to the Web site Adherents.com.</p>
<p>“The document, which was drafted over the summer, is being released at a time of high stress for many of the groups that signed it. The Archdiocese of Washington is under fire for saying it will not comply with a pending D.C. law that would force the Catholic Church to give health benefits or adoption services to same-sex couples.”</p>
<p>For biblical ethicists there is no thought of compromise, no matter how threatened. Allegiance is having none other than the God of the Word. His law comes first; defending it is paramount.</p>
<p>Read “Religious leaders vow civil disobedience on anti-life issues” at http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/21/religious-leaders-vow-civil-disobedience/</p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Juliette</dc:creator>
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<link>http://edthemanicstreetpreacher.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/dawkins-grayling-atheist-fundamentalism/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>edthemanicstreetpreacher</dc:creator>
<guid>http://edthemanicstreetpreacher.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/dawkins-grayling-atheist-fundamentalism/</guid>
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<title><![CDATA[Catholic, Orthodox and Evangelical Christian leaders sign Manhattan Declaration]]></title>
<link>http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/catholic-orthodox-and-evangelical-christian-leaders-sign-manhattan-declaration/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Wintery Knight</dc:creator>
<guid>http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/catholic-orthodox-and-evangelical-christian-leaders-sign-manhattan-declaration/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Story here from LifeSiteNews. Excerpt: A group of prominent Christian leaders and scholars unveiled ]]></description>
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<p>Excerpt:</p>
<blockquote><p>A group of prominent Christian leaders and scholars unveiled a manifesto Friday declaring firm opposition to current and future laws infringing upon the sanctity of life, marriage, faith, and liberty.</p>
<p>The 4,700-word  &#8220;<em>Manhattan Declaration: A Call of Christian Conscience</em>&#8221; was drafted by Dr. Robert George, Dr. Timothy George and Chuck Colson and signed by more than 125 Orthodox, Catholic and evangelical Christian leaders, including Focus on the Family Dr. James Dobson and National Association of Evangelicals president Leith Anderson.  15 Roman Catholic bishops, including Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York and Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington, D.C., were among the signatories.</p>
<p>[...]The document lays out the groups&#8217; arguments against anti-life, anti-family, and anti-religious public policy as contravening &#8220;foundational principles of justice and the common good,&#8221; in defense of which the group says they are &#8220;compelled by our Christian faith to speak and act.&#8221;</p>
<p>In asserting Christians&#8217; right to conscientious objection to such policy, the declaration says it is &#8220;ironic&#8221; that those who advance as &#8220;rights&#8221; various immoral practices &#8220;are very often in the vanguard of those who would trample upon the freedom of others to express their religious and moral commitments to the sanctity of life and to the dignity of marriage.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Because we honor justice and the common good, we will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide and euthanasia, or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriages or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family,&#8221; it concludes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Chuck Colson one of the evangelicals, <a href="http://www.breakpoint.org/commentaries/13534-the-manhattan-declaration" target="_blank">and he writes</a>: (H/T <a href="http://muddlingtowardmaturity.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/11/christian-leaders-in-america-release-an-historic-document-the-manhattan-declaration.html" target="_blank">Muddling Towards Maturity</a>)</p>
<blockquote><p>Having reminded readers about why and how Christians have spoken out in the past, the Declaration then turns to what especially troubles us today—the threats to the sanctity of human life, the institution of marriage, and religious freedom.</p>
<p>[...]The response to this kind of assault on the sanctity of human life requires what the Manhattan Declaration calls the “gospel of costly grace.” This starts with the willingness to put aside our comfort and serve those whom the broader culture would deem outside the scope of its concern and legal protection.</p>
<p>The cost may be higher. Christians may have to choose between the demands of what St. Augustine called the “City of Man” and the “City of God”—which, for the Christian, is really no choice at all.</p>
<p>This kind of principled non-cooperation with evil won’t be easy—there are signs of a reduced tolerance for that most basic of American values, religious freedom. As we’ve discussed many times on BreakPoint, Christian organizations are losing tax-exempt status for refusing to buy in to homosexual “marriage.” Some are going out of business rather than cave into immoral demands—such as placing children for adoption with homosexual couples. Conscientious medical personnel are being sued or being fired for obeying their consciences.</p></blockquote>
<p>Looks like we are waking upon social issues.</p>
<p>But there is still nothing in the statement about fiscal conservatism or getting serious about defending the faith using reason and evidence. As long as we have Christians continuing to vote for big government and neglecting the life of the mind, we aren&#8217;t going to change the culture one iota.</p>
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<p><em>The response to this kind of assault on the sanctity of human life requires what the Manhattan Declaration calls the “gospel of costly grace.” This starts with the willingness to put aside our comfort and serve those whom the broader culture would deem outside the scope of its concern and legal protection.</em></p>
<p><em>The cost may be higher. Christians may have to choose between the demands of what St. Augustine called the “City of Man” and the “City of God”—which, for the Christian, is really no choice at all.</em></p>
<p><em>This kind of principled non-cooperation with evil won’t be easy—there are signs of a reduced tolerance for that most basic of American values, religious freedom. As we’ve discussed many times on BreakPoint, Christian organizations are losing tax-exempt status for refusing to buy in to homosexual “marriage.” Some are going out of business rather than cave into immoral demands—such as placing children for adoption with homosexual couples. Conscientious medical personnel are being sued or being fired for obeying their consciences.</em></p>
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<link>http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/forbidden-bible-verses-ephesians-51-21/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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<guid>http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/forbidden-bible-verses-ephesians-51-21/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[How many people have heard a sermon in their Catholic or mainline Protestant church about the first ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-3222" title="Bible Geneva" src="http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/files/2009/09/bible-geneva.jpg" alt="" width="126" height="101" />How many people have heard a sermon in their Catholic or mainline Protestant church about the first part of Ephesians 5?  It&#8217;s controversial and, for this reason, qualifies as a Forbidden Bible passage.  Let&#8217;s have a look. </p>
<p>Today&#8217;s reading comes from the New International Version (NIV).  You can view past posts of Forbidden Bible Verses <a href="http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/tag/forbidden-bible-verses/" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<h4><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+5&#38;version=NIV" target="_blank"><span style="color:#008080;">Ephesians 5</span></a></h4>
<p> <sup>1</sup>Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children <sup>2</sup>and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.</p>
<p> <sup>3</sup>But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God&#8217;s holy people. <sup>4</sup>Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. <sup>5</sup>For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.<sup> </sup><sup>6</sup>Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God&#8217;s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. <sup>7</sup>Therefore do not be partners with them.</p>
<p> <sup>8</sup>For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light <sup>9</sup>(for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) <sup>10</sup>and find out what pleases the Lord. <sup>11</sup>Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. <sup>12</sup>For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. <sup>13</sup>But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, <sup>14</sup>for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said:<br />
   &#8221;Wake up, O sleeper,<br />
      rise from the dead,<br />
   and Christ will shine on you.&#8221;</p>
<p> <sup>15</sup>Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, <sup>16</sup>making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. <sup>17</sup>Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord&#8217;s will is. <sup>18</sup>Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. <sup>19</sup>Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord, <sup>20</sup>always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.</p>
<p> <sup>21</sup>Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.</p>
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<p>Chapter 5 of Ephesians is a continuation of the previous chapter.  (Note the use of &#8216;therefore&#8217; in the first verse.)  Paul describes more Christian behaviours which the new converts need to adopt in order to more fully live in Christ.  He reminds them of the selfless sacrifice of Christ on the Cross and exhorts them to remember that, making their lives worthy of God.  The &#8216;life of love&#8217; Paul refers to in verse 2, is not easy.  As we read the subsequent verses we note the many proscriptions on base appetites.  Then as now, these were commonplace and encouraged.  We are to respect ourselves and others in purity, always remembering Christ&#8217;s divine love for us.  </p>
<p>Paul lists the sins of which Christians must avoid in verses 3 through 7.  He says &#8216;not even a hint&#8217; &#8211; so, no suggestion at all, no furtive gestures or words made in the direction of these sins.  Lust and greed pollute our bodies, minds and souls.  They are unworthy of God, our Creator.  Furthermore, we are not to employ obscene gestures or speech.  Nor are we to talk idly;  words just for the sake of talking lead to gossip, innuendo and slander.  Paul asks the Ephesians &#8212; and us &#8212; to put those energies into thanksgiving unto God.  Even if we are not doing so audibly, we should be grateful to God for redeeming us through the blood of His Son.  No one steeped in sins of immorality, impurity and greed will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.  Such people are idolaters &#8212; they worship their sins because they cannot give them up.  In verse 6, he cautions the Ephesians not to be deceived by false teachers &#8212; and even we can fall prey to them &#8212; who say that serious sin is acceptable and that God will overlook it.  Paul says such transgressions anger God and He will punish the disobedience.  Verse 7 tells us to avoid such charlatans and ignore what they say.  When Paul says to expose &#8216;fruitless deeds of darkness&#8217; in verse 11, he is asking us to instruct ourselves and others about sin, so as to avoid it.  In verse 12, he says we are never to discuss sin.  Yet, when we know what to avoid thanks to walking in the light of the Son, we can see clearly.  We are no longer timidly trying to find our way in the shadows.  And staying in those shadows can only lead to temptation and transgression. </p>
<p>Paul signals the way forward in verses 8 &#8211; 14: &#8216;Live as children of light&#8217;.  Just as children imitate what they see, Paul asks us to imitate the goodness of Christ.  Yet, one can only understand that Christlike example if one has been saved through the truth and righteousness of the Gospel message.  And when one is conscious of being saved, one walks in blamelessness.  When we are dead to (not &#8216;in&#8217;) sin, we will wake up from our imperfect slumber and walk in the light of Christ.  Are we still sleeping? Are we stumbling around in the dark?  Are we calling ourselves Christians but engaging in sin?  It is possible.</p>
<p>In verse 15, Paul exhorts us to live in wisdom, as one who walks in the light.  His warning to the Ephesians that &#8216;the days are evil&#8217; in verse 16 also holds true for us.  We are surrounded by temptation.  All of it is rationalised as being &#8216;healthful&#8217;, &#8216;fun&#8217; and &#8216;liberating&#8217;.  We see sin marketed and packaged beautifully every time we open a magazine or watch television.  And the targets of that marketing are becoming younger all the time.  Thirty years ago, such messages targeted adults.  Now they also target children.  Anyone who has committed a serious sin of which he has repented will tell you it may be enjoyable at the time, but it brings sorrow and heartache later.  Those who repent will understand what the Lord&#8217;s will is and they will seek to obey it more and more every day (verse 17).  Paul tells us to stop getting drunk and depressed in verse 18 and replace that with the gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as fortitude and piety.  When we are Spirit-filled, we will be inclined to glorify God and tell others of His wonder through psalms and song (verse 19).  Even if we are silent, we should carry a song of praise and thanksgiving in our hearts to God in Jesus&#8217;s name (verse 20).           </p>
<p>Finally, Paul instructs us to look for Christ in our fellow Christians.  We are called to submit to each other imitating the love that the Lord showed for us (verse 21).</p>
<p>You can read more <a href="http://mhc.biblecommenter.com/ephesians/5.htm" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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<link>http://urgencytorise.com/2009/11/21/violence-in-kenya/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>time2stand</dc:creator>
<guid>http://urgencytorise.com/2009/11/21/violence-in-kenya/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[       Due to the post-election violence many people in Kenya have died,houses burnt and many injure]]></description>
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<link>http://nearemmaus.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-manhattan-declaration-review-and-response/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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<guid>http://nearemmaus.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-manhattan-declaration-review-and-response/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I read through the Manhattan Declaration this evening. It is a document of  &#8221;4,000 + words; si]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><a href="http://nearemmaus.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/manhattan_declaration361x90.png"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2394" title="manhattan_declaration361x90" src="http://nearemmaus.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/manhattan_declaration361x90.png?w=300" alt="" width="300" height="74" /></a>I read through <a href="http://manhattandeclaration.org/">the Manhattan Declaration</a> this evening. It is a document of  &#8221;4,000 + words; six pages&#8221; discussing a Christian response to three prominent social issues: (1) the sanctity of human life, (2) the dignity of marriage as a conjugal union of husband and wife, and (3) the rights of conscious a religious liberty. This is the summary introduction to the document:</p>
<blockquote><p>Christians, when they have lived up to the highest ideals of their faith, have defended the weak and vulnerable and worked tirelessly to protect and strengthen vital institutions of civil society, beginning with the family.</p>
<p>We are Orthodox, Catholic, and evangelical Christians who have united at this hour to reaffirm fundamental truths about justice and the common good, and to call upon our fellow citizens, believers and non-believers alike, to join us in defending them. These truths are:</p>
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<li>the sanctity of human life</li>
<li>the dignity of marriage as the conjugal union of husband and wife</li>
<li>the rights of conscience and religious liberty.</li>
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<p>Inasmuch as these truths are foundational to human dignity and the well-being of society, they are inviolable and non-negotiable. Because they are increasingly under assault from powerful forces in our culture, we are compelled today to speak out forcefully in their defense, and to commit ourselves to honoring them fully no matter what pressures are brought upon us and our institutions to abandon or compromise them. We make this commitment not as partisans of any political group but as followers of Jesus Christ, the crucified and risen Lord, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/20/the-manhattan-declaration-a-call-of-christian-conscience/">Justin Taylor wrote earlier today about this document</a> that, &#8220;It was drafted by Chuck Colson, Robert P. George, and Timothy George. Signers of the statement include J.I. Packer, Tim Keller, Albert Mohler, and over 100 others.&#8221; In support of the statement he wrote, &#8221; It’s a careful, thoughtful statement, worthy of study and acceptance.&#8221; As of the writing of this post  it appears that many are in agreement since the website states &#8220;4194 signatures in support&#8221;.</p>
<p>There are many who disagree with Taylor. The post is currently closed to comments, but several wrote responses beforehand. <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/20/the-manhattan-declaration-a-call-of-christian-conscience/#comment-54042">Some were upset that Protestants would align with Catholics and Orthodox</a>. <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/20/the-manhattan-declaration-a-call-of-christian-conscience/#comment-54044">One commenter understood this as a blurring of the line between Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox that undermines the gospel</a>. <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/20/the-manhattan-declaration-a-call-of-christian-conscience/#comment-54072">Another states that this is a &#8220;call to war, with condemnation rather than compassion&#8221; in regards to homosexuals</a>. <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/20/the-manhattan-declaration-a-call-of-christian-conscience/#comment-54085">There was even one who wondered why there was not a statement about Islam</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://newleaven.com/2009/11/20/the-manhattan-declaration-is-it-worth-signing/">T.C. Robinson added his own post on the matter</a> asking why these topics were not address:</p>
<blockquote><p>1. A document to eliminate world hunger?</p>
<p>2. A document to provide water for those who can&#8217;t even afford a clean cup?</p>
<p>3. A document to treat and prevent certain curable diseases that millions die from daily?</p></blockquote>
<p>I have a few thoughts of my own to add. First, I think that the issues being discussed are worthwhile issues. It should be noted that this document talks about the sanctity of human life as it addresses not only abortion but also genocide, innocent victims of war, sex trafficking, racial oppression and discrimination, and the spread of HIV/AIDS amongst other items. We must be careful to avoid plugging our ears as soon as we hear people discussion abortion simply because we are a bit worn out by the whole debate. It is still an issue worth discussing as are these other humans rights issues that were mentioned.</p>
<p>Second, the section on marriage being between a man and a woman was not a frontal attack on homosexuals. At least I did not read it as such. The writers were quick to note that promiscuity is the root problem and that many Christian leaders have failed to model Christian marital relationships. It has made us look like hypocrites.</p>
<p>On the other hand, we have the right to ask the question, &#8220;What does &#8216;marriage&#8217; mean if we expand the definition?&#8221; It is one thing to prevent homosexuals from having some basic rights like shared insurance or hospital visitation rights. It is a whole different subject to redefine what is by definition a union of a man and a woman. I did not read this declaration as attacking homosexuals, although it stood firm that those who signed do not see homosexuality as a favorable lifestyle.</p>
<p>Third, I am a bit confused by the discussion of religious liberty. I am all for religious liberty, but I am not sure why this would be one of the three subjects given this much attention. Is it because Wal-Mart says &#8220;Happy Holidays&#8221;? If that is the problem go to Target. I saw &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221; signs there!</p>
<p>Now that I have said that I must say I agree with T.C. Robinson. Why address these issues while leaving out others? Are these issues of utmost importance? If homosexuals can get &#8220;married&#8221; is this as terrible as the fact that thousands across this world do not have clean drinking water? I find this a bit confusing.</p>
<p>Equally, I disagree with my Reformed friends that we cannot be unified with Catholics and Orthodox on various matters. We are unified with both about the Apostle&#8217;s Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Chalcedonian Creed. It is silly to think that if we agree with Catholics and Orthodox we are somehow denying the Protestant Reformation! C&#8217;mon, for one thing the Protestant Reformation has <em>nothing to do </em>with the Eastern Orthodox church! But maybe I don&#8217;t really understand the whole debate since I am something like what T.C. called as Pente-Baptist.</p>
<p>It is odd though that we would choose several moral-social issues over those doctrinal, confessional issues that we agree upon such as the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the authority of the Scriptures, and so forth. These types of social-moral issues can be agreed upon with Buddhist, Confucians, Marxist, Mormons, and Muslims. Why make a big deal that three Christian groups with as much in common as in contrast agree about some social issues?</p>
<p>Anyways, I promise not to close the comments if anyone has thoughts on this matter. Everything that can be said may have already been said. I just thought I&#8217;d weigh in as well.</p>
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<p>Read the entire Manhattan Declaration <a href="http://manhattandeclaration.org/decdocs/ManhattanDeclaration.pdf">here</a>.</p>
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<link>http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/can-we-should-we-transform-the-world/</link>
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<description><![CDATA[Over the past year, some Christians &#8212; particularly in America &#8212; have been wondering if t]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-3568" title="Michael Horton bakerbookscom" src="http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/files/2009/10/michael-horton-bakerbookscom.jpg" alt="Michael Horton bakerbookscom" width="99" height="150" />Over the past year, some Christians &#8212; particularly in America &#8212; have been wondering if they should have a guidebook, a godly version of Rules for Radicals, by which to live and transform the world.  Proponents of this idea say that it would beat the progressives at their own game and help revive Christianity in a postmodern world.</p>
<p>Many mainstream Protestants would disagree.  They come from a &#8216;two-kingdom&#8217; tradition, whereby there is a civil kingdom in this world which the Lord oversees with common grace and a heavenly kingdom in the world to come.  This idea started with Augustine of Hippo in <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_God_(book)" target="_blank">The City of God</a></em>.  Augustine wrote this work in reaction to the shock the Romans experienced after the sacking of the Goths in 410.  &#8216;How could this have happened?&#8217; they said.  &#8216;If only we had been better devotees of the Roman gods.&#8217;  Augustine stated that this was where Christianity provided a better answer: even if earthly rule turned out to be chaotic or endangered, the kingdom of God (heaven) would ultimately triumph.  </p>
<p>Nearly 1000 years later, the Reformers revisited doctors of the early Church, principally Augustine.  Both Calvin and Luther borrowed heavily from him, especially with regard to the &#8216;two-kingdom&#8217; idea.  Calvinists, in particular, pushed hard for religious liberties in Geneva, London and Amsterdam.  They were joined by Quakers and deists. This carried over across the Atlantic, influencing even the founding fathers of the United States.  In <a href="http://www.whitehorseinn.org/images/Horton-TwoKingdomResponses.pdf" target="_blank">&#8216;Response to Questions about the Two Kingdoms&#8217;</a>, Dr Michael Horton, the J. Gresham Machen professor of apologetics and systematic theology at Westminster Seminary California (Escondido, California), host of The White Horse Inn national radio broadcast, and editor-in-chief of <em>Modern Reformation</em> magazine, says:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">Trained under Presbyterian stalwart John Witherspoon (a signer of the Declaration of Independence), James Madison used two kingdoms arguments for his case. In fact, he surveyed history to argue that the church itself is healthiest when it is least dependent on state sponsorship and support</span>.</p>
<p>Horton explains how &#8216;two kingdoms&#8217; gained credibility among Protestants:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">Clearly, Luther drew the lines between the two kingdoms in clear, bold colors, but so did Calvin—and both did so especially over against the radical Anabaptists who were trying to take over cities in the name of Christ’s millennial kingdom! Calvin wrote explicitly of the &#8216;two kingdoms&#8217;: both under the reign of the risen and ascended Christ, but &#8216;in different ways&#8217;; one, by common grace and the moral law inscribed on the conscience and the other by saving grace and the gospel. Neither Lutherans nor Calvinists have been consistent in working out their theory, but the two-kingdoms doctrine has a substantial body of reflection throughout the whole history of the church</span>.</p>
<p>Until Christ comes again in glory, the Holy Spirit infuses God&#8217;s world with &#8216;common grace&#8217; which benefits all men &#8212; no matter what their faith or lack thereof &#8211; wherever they are in the world.  Although there appear to us to be exceptions (just watch the news!), generally speaking, we refer to concepts and conduct almost all of us share, such as &#8217;common decency&#8217;.  This would be an example of common grace.  We work together to help &#8212; or at least not to harm &#8212; each other in this life.  (I&#8217;ve included qualifiers because a small number of people, for whatever reason, do not or cannot respect these norms of natural law.)  We also enjoy a type of common grace in appreciating God&#8217;s creation in all its natural beauty.  Should I describe a breathtaking sunset here in the UK, a reader in Ghana may read the post understanding the beauty of that sunset.   That reader may choose to send in a comment which acknowledges that experience.  Immediately, we have a common bond as humans.</p>
<p>Of course, in today&#8217;s activist world, many detractors of Christianity do not believe we are &#8216;doing enough&#8217; to combat the world&#8217;s ills and see that the &#8216;two kingdom&#8217; notion is partially responsible.  Conversely, Christians see that political and social action groups are all over the place with secular rules promoting their agenda for a better, transformed world involving conformity which may not meet with universal approval.  What to do?  Do we try to replicate God&#8217;s kingdom to earth?  Should we?</p>
<p>Horton says no.  He reminds us that (emphasis mine throughout):</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;"><strong>Surely, if ever in this present age, we were to expect a total transformation of the kingdoms of this age into the kingdom of Christ, it would have been in Christ’s earthly ministry. Yet he just preaches the gospel, forgives sins, heals the sick, and marches toward the cross</strong>.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;"><strong>Nor do we find a blueprint in the New Testament Epistles for a Christian economic or political system, a Christian theory of art or science, or a plan for universal hygiene. The commands are simply to live godly lives in the present, as parents, children, spouses, employers, and employees, caring for the needs of the saints, participating regularly in the public assembly of Christ’s body, and to pray for our rulers</strong></span>.</p>
<p>Whilst Horton acknowledges that individuals such as William Wilberforce helped transform our societies (in this case, working hard to abolish the slave trade in the 19th century), we are called by God and His Son to work within our own sphere of influence.  So, for most of us, that means being good spouses, friends, parents, employees and volunteers.  The command does not involve setting the world on fire in the secular world or try to devise a heaven on earth.  Horton adds:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">We will still need government and private sector relief agencies, but <strong>it would make a big difference in society if Christians spent more time in their ordinary vocations &#8230; and fulfilling their calling at work with remarkable skill and dedication</strong>.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">Furthermore, non-Christians are as likely to be numbered among the great heroes, too. Calvin speaks eloquently of the Spirit’s work in common grace of bringing truth, goodness, and beauty in earthly matters to the world through pagans, benefiting us all. It would be &#8216;ingratitude toward the Spirit&#8217; he says, if we were to ignore these gifts. So in these acts of love and service to our neighbours, Christians are not alone. It is due to God’s common grace, but the church is not a common grace institution. It is not the Rotary Club, UNICEF, or a political action group. The visible church is God’s means of bringing his saving grace to the ends of the earth</span>.</p>
<p>To the pastor who exhorts his congregation to do otherwise would be to miss:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">several important biblical points: We’re in the in-between time right now. <strong>Not only are the secular kingdoms still secular (though we still participate in them); we ourselves are still simultaneously justified and sinful. We are not ourselves transformed enough (glorified) to agree upon what a transformed world would look like in all the details</strong>, much less to implement it perfectly. Imagine an international, evangelical Christian congress where a plan for transforming the world were to be designed. How long would it take before fights broke out?</span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">I’ve been in Christian conferences where theologians, ethicists, and pastors presented their imperatives for a new world order and Christian economists in the room hardly knew where to begin enumerating the factual confusion and incoherence, much less the wisdom, of their arguments. In this in-between time,<strong> even a non-Christian economist or hospice worker who cares about people will be more of a genuine neighbor to a sufferer than a lot of busy Christians with big plans that are impractical or uninformed</strong></span>.</p>
<p>Horton encourages us to work along side others in secular volunteer work.  Conversely, he also advises congregations and pastors against turning church into a party political broadcast:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;"><strong>Pastors aren’t authorized to create their own blueprint for transformation, but are servants of the Word. Where Scripture has clearly spoken, he must speak. Where it is silent, he must keep his personal opinions and perhaps even learned conclusions to himself</strong>. Of course, <strong>pastors are called to preach the whole council of God: not only the gospel, but the law</strong>—including its third use (to guide Christian obedience). <strong>That’s enough to occupy our prayerful action in the world, without piling up commands that God never gave. We’re never called to transform the world (or even our neighborhood). We’re never called even to bring millions to Jesus Christ</strong>.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">One day, this kingdom will extend to every aspect of worldly existence. There will be no tyrants, no pain, no disease, no injustice, no poverty, no idolatry, no oppression. The kingdoms of this world will be made the kingdom of our God and of his Christ and he will reign forever. For now, however, Jesus is gathering guests for his feast, forgiving, justifying, calling, renewing, sanctifying, and sending them out to bring others to the swelling hall. Christ’s reign in grace (through the Great Commission) is a parenthesis in God’s plan. His reign in glory, commencing with his return in judgment and final conquest of the whole earth, will be everlasting</span>.</p>
<p>Horton concludes:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">We are not building a kingdom, but receiving one (Heb 12:28). Even our lives in the world, in our callings, in our witness to our neighbors, is not bringing the future of Christ’s consummated kingdom into the present. Rather, it is God’s means of extending his reign in grace, while we wait expectantly for his return in glory</span>.</p>
<p>So, let us contend and defend our faith by showing a good example and helping the people with whom we come in contact every day.  That&#8217;s it?  Putting it into practice takes a lot of work.    　</p>
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<link>http://urgencytorise.com/2009/11/19/so-your-a-christian-read-new-book-for-free/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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<link>http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/a-converts-message-to-anglo-catholics/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[On Wednesday, Churchmouse Campanologist featured the better part of an essay by Brother Stephen, O. ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2997" title="j0177805" src="http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/files/2009/09/j0177805.jpg?w=300" alt="" width="300" height="200" />On Wednesday, <em>Churchmouse Campanologist</em> featured the better part of an essay by Brother Stephen, O. Cist., a former Anglo-Catholic who became a Roman Catholic and joined the Cistercian Order.</p>
<p>Today, we look at his advice to Anglo-Catholics thinking of converting to the Roman Catholic faith.  He wrote his essay, <a href="http://subtuum.blogspot.com/2009/06/so-who-are-these-anglicans-with-nuns.html" target="_blank">&#8216;So who are these Anglicans with nuns?</a>&#8216; on June 16, 2009 &#8212; four months before Pope Benedict XVI extended his invitation to Anglicans to join the Roman Catholic faith.</p>
<p>He advises Anglo-Catholics to consider the following during their period of discernment (highlights mine):</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">When friends who are still Anglican ask me about crossing the Tiber, <strong>I tell them to come if they have fallen in love with the church but not to come to Rome merely as a refuge from the storms of Anglicanism. <em>Conversion should be a running to, not a running from</em></strong>. Nor will I say that the grass is always impossibly verdant on this side of the Tiber. <strong>Many an Anglican has converted only to revert because he or she found life in Rome less congenial than was expected</strong></span>&#8230;</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;"><strong>If you have come to believe what the Roman Catholic Church says about herself, come!</strong> Our Lord sent out his disciples without scrip, bread, or money and said that even he himself did not have a place to lay his head. If you believe that Rome is where the fullness of the Catholic faith is to be found, you may need to be willing to leave behind old friends, Anglican Chant, real albs, and excerpts from this week’s <em>New York Review of Books</em> tucked into Sunday sermons</span>.</p>
<p>He cautions that to many Roman Catholics, all converts are alike.  Perhaps another way of saying this is that they don&#8217;t consider where you&#8217;ve come from as long as you are there.  However, the convert will most likely be unable to share his previous Christian life with new friends: </p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">A-Cs also should be prepared for the fact that few Roman Catholics have ever heard of Anglo-Catholicism, priests included. People in your new parish will be glad you’ve come, but <strong>Anglo-Catholics, Adventists, and American Baptists are all pretty much the same to most cradle Roman Catholics</strong>. At first I was quite put off by the general obliviousness. I felt that <strong>I had agonized over this momentous decision to sign up with a church that looks so good on paper and, so often, so bad in practice, and no one appreciated my great and noble sacrifice</strong>. Poor, poor me! (The lesson in humility alone has probably been worth the trip.)</span> </p>
<p>Then, there are the liturgical differences:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">At times after your conversion, you will find yourself feeling like the Israelites in the desert remembering the melons of Egypt and at other times you may well feel like Ruth, a resident alien in a strange land. <strong>At some point you will attend a mass with a homily, music, or liturgical idiom so terrible</strong> that you will wish you could be Samson in the temple of Dagon because <strong>you are so furious that these people don’t seem to appreciate what they’ve been given</strong></span>.</p>
<p>And RCIA (I noted similarly in an <a href="http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/can-you-still-take-catholic-instruction-rcia-from-a-priest/" target="_blank">earlier post &#8212; no grasp of church history</a>!):</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">You stand every chance of being theologically patronized by an RCIA instructor who couldn’t put Aristotle, Augustine, and Aquinas in order on a timeline and who doesn’t seem to be aware that there were some other pretty cool councils before Vatican II. Before your first year is out, you will meet at least one neocon who believes that the whole of the faith is contained in his own highly selective reading of the encyclicals of John Paul II</span>.</p>
<p>And busy priests, unlike the Anglican vicar or Episcopal rector who knows everyone by name and makes time for a chat:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">Chances are the pastor in your new parish has 2,000 souls to care for instead of the 200 you are used to and won’t have the same time to look after your every need</span>.</p>
<p>But, overall, Br Stephen&#8217;s move has worked well for him:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">Since being received, I have hung my hat with the Novus Ordo, nicely done, with few complaints. My conversion was theological and I’m finding what I came looking for as well as having a fair number of pleasant surprises. I have been to confession more times in a year than I did in 20 as an Anglo-Catholic. The reality of the universality of the Church still fills me with wonder as I try to get my mind around being in communion with more than one billion people. My parish and its priests are exemplary. I have received grace up on grace. </span></p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#005757;">Paris was worth a Mass. Peace of mind is worth even the occasional folk Mass</span>.</p>
<p>He lists several resources at the end of his essay, so, if you are Anglo-Catholic and would like to deepen your investigation as part of the discernment process, please click <a href="http://subtuum.blogspot.com/2009/06/so-who-are-these-anglicans-with-nuns.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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<link>http://theblarg.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/we-saw-the-scariest-fucking-movie-last-night/</link>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">Check out the trailer for &#8220;Hell House&#8221; right here:</p>
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<p>Today we are going to break down the parable of the talents. At talent, as used in the parable, was a variable unit of weight and money used in ancient Greece, the Middle East, and Rome. Jesus shared the parable of the talents with His disciples. The parable is as follows:</p>
<p>“For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.”</p>
<p>“Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them another five talents. And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord’s money.”</p>
<p>“After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, ‘Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.’ His lord said unto him, ‘Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou has been faithful over a few things, I will make thee a ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.’”</p>
<p>“He also that had received two talents came and said, ‘Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.’ His lord said unto him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; thou has been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.’”</p>
<p>“Then he which had received one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.’ His lord answered and said unto him, ‘Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’” – Matthew 25:14-30 (KJV)</p>
<p> So what does this parable mean? Very often you will find people willing to tell you that this parable is all about money. This is not so. While the parable uses talents (money) given to the servants, the example of the money that was given is symbolic of something far greater. Let’s break this down and see what this is all about.</p>
<p>First of all, the lord of the servants symbolizes our Lord, Jesus Christ. The servants are those who claim to serve the Lord, such as Jesus’ apostles at the time, as well as Christians yet to come.</p>
<p>Okay, so now that we know whom the players are, what exactly is the point? The “talents” of the parable symbolize the gifts that the Lord bestows upon us. This includes blessings of ability, knowledge, wealth, hope, faith, etc. Most importantly, this includes the word of God. Why did the lord of the parable commend and reward the first two servants? He rewarded them, because they had been faithful and obedient in their service to Him. Rather than being selfish or lazy, both of the first two servants actively worked to make the most of what their lord had given them. Subsequently, when their lord returned, they were able to return more back to the lord. Beloved, I’m sure you see the parallel here. Just as the lord of the parable returned after having been away for quite some time, Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior will also return after having been in heaven for quite some time. When the Lord returns, all will have to give account of themselves. As the apostle Paul wrote:</p>
<p>“So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.” – Romans 14:12 (KJV)</p>
<p>As we saw in the parable, the third servant did absolutely nothing productive with what his lord had given him. Instead, he just buried it in the ground. Beloved, there are unfortunately many people in this world that do the same with what the Lord has entrusted to them and blessed them with. Rather than use the gifts they have been given to do the Lord’s work, they bury their “treasure”. In so doing, they are unfaithful and disobedient to the Lord. For those that are unfaithful and disobedient to God, there will be severe consequences, including being cast into “outer darkness”. Beloved, are not called to kick back. We are called to serve. If we do not serve the Lord, then we have not really accepted Him as our Lord and Savior.</p>
<p>Brothers and sisters, when we face the Lord don’t we all want to see a pleased look on His face? There are no sweeter words you could imagine Him saying than, “Well done, good and faithful servant.” There’s only one way to do that, beloved. We must use what the Lord has blessed us with in order to prove ourselves as obedient and faithful servants of the Lord and good stewards of His gifts. This includes using any abilities that we have been blessed with to their utmost, and using all of our available resources to constantly spread the Lord’s love and word throughout the world. This is the Lord’s work, and we are all called to do it. While many of us will have different roles to carry out, different blessings/abilities, and different burdens, the things that unite all servants of the Lord are our faithfulness, obedience, and willingness to put serving Him above serving ourselves.</p>
<p>Beloved, Jesus Christ is truly Lord of all. However, each one of us has to decide what type of servant we want to be. I pray that each and every person taking part in this discussion will commit themselves to being a faithful and obedient servant that puts all that God has blessed them with to the utmost use in order to serve and glorify God and His blessed name. This includes using our tangible and intangible assets/blessings. Most importantly, it means sharing His Gospel with others. The Lord will reward us based on our faith and obedience to Him. Don’t look for those rewards in earthly treasures that will fade away with time. Rejoice in knowing that the Lord rewards with heavenly treasures:-) </p>
<p>Beloved, don’t be timid in sharing the word of God. Just as the Lord’s love and word saved you, sharing the same with someone else may help them to turn their lives over to Christ. The best return we can provide to our Lord Jesus Christ is to show our faithfulness and obedience as we work to bring more laborers (believers) into the harvest. That only happens by making the most of what God gives us and sharing His love and word with all people that we can reach.</p>
<p>If you have not yet accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, but you would like to do so, please pray the following prayer:</p>
<p>“Lord God Almighty, I know that I am a sinner and that I am lost.  I know that I need to be saved from sin, but I also know that I can’t save myself.  Lord Jesus, I know that only You can save me.  I know that you paid for my salvation with your own life and blood on the cross.  I know that when You rose from the grave on the third day, you provided everlasting life to all who trust in You.  Right now, I lay down my life and let go of my pride, my vanity and every other sin that has kept me from You.  Lord Jesus, I now completely trust my life to You.  I open my heart to You, Lord.  Please come into my heart.  Please forgive me of all of my sins, and please accept me as Your child.  From this point on, I commit my life to You.  Please guide me and provide me strength as I begin to live the rest of my life for You.  In Your precious and matchless name I pray. Amen.”</p>
<p>Beloved, if you just prayed that prayer sincerely, then you are now a citizen of Christ’s eternal kingdom. You are saved, precious one!!! A new creation has been born in you, as Jesus Christ has now taken root in your heart. You will still face problems in this world, but you will never again face those problems alone. Get to know your Savior by studying His perfect word, and share His love freely with all you encounter just as He has unconditionally bless you with His powerful and perfect love. Welcome to the family:-)</p>
<p>If ever I can support you in prayer over any area of your life, please send me your prayer request(s) either through the “Comments” box at the end of this message, or by emailing me directly at jasonthurwanger @ dellmail.com (no spaces). It is always a blessing to join you in prayer.  It is truly a wonderful and blessed thing when we come together to unleash God’s power through prayer.  He is truly greater than anything this world, or the enemy, can throw at us:-)  Praise God!!!  Thank you, Jesus!!!</p>
<p>Remember, if you would like to order the new book “Strapping On the Whole Armor of God – Suiting Up For Spiritual Warfare), please visit my website at <a href="http://www.yourbrotherinchrist.com/">http://www.yourbrotherinchrist.com</a> .  If you prefer to order by mail, you will also find the mailing address on that website.  This book is very valuable in helping people understand how to go about securely and effectively putting on the whole armor of God that the apostle Paul refers to in Chapter 6 of Ephesians.  We are praying that many people will receive this book and be blessed in their walk with the Lord by reading it.</p>
<p>Thank you for joining in today’s discussion.  I hope you will join us for tomorrow’s day of prayer for this week&#8217;s prayer requests, as well.  Have a wonderful and bless remainder of the day.  Remember, this is the day that the Lord has made.  Let’s rejoice, and be glad in it:-)</p>
<p>May the Lord bless you, keep you, guide you, and make His face to shine upon you and your loved ones always.</p>
<p>Your brother in Christ,</p>
<p>Rev Jason Thurwanger</p>
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<p>Sarah Palin, if running for President, surely will divide this Republic all the more into two definite segments—fiercely opposing segments.</p>
<p>Already we have two primary segments: believers and secularists.</p>
<p>Believers are those moralists who hold to the God of the Bible, particularly the New Testament God in Christ. It may be via Roman Catholicism, evangelical Protestantism, Orthodox Christians, or non-church members who hold to biblical ethics.</p>
<p>Secularists are exampled by Joy Behar on The View. She is with conviction a non-believer who holds that this life is all there is. No deity. No hereafter. No judgment accountability. This is it; write your own (im)morals.</p>
<p>George W. Bush’s interviews regarding his faith brought out remarks that he read the Bible, prayed to Christ, believed in the hereafter, and other basics common to biblical believers.</p>
<p>This infuriated secularists. They charged him with swords and knives aplenty. Likewise Laura.</p>
<p>But with Sarah Palin, Pentecostal, all the more swords will cut and slash. Interviewers from a secularist-based media will pound away till blood flows in her boulevards. Headlines will misquote her. Liberal press will cut her to ribbons.</p>
<p>Therefore, if there was a divide in the Republic with Bush, all the more so with Palin. Will she make it through a campaign let alone a sit-down in the White House? That is a tough question to answer.</p>
<p>But one thing Palin cannot afford to do is to compromise who she is. And who she is is known now by thinking moralists. Thinking moralists know their faith, ethic, biblical mooring and its practical lifestyle. They are also tuned into buzzwords that reveal truth or double-talk.</p>
<p>Therefore, if Palin compromises her ethic, it will be picked up immediately by genuine moralists. And they will not let her get by with hypocrisy.</p>
<p>For instance, when Bush invited Muslims to a Ramadan dinner in the White House at which time he lifted high the Koran, announcing its placement in the White House library, knowledgeable biblical believers shot him down—and appropriately so.</p>
<p>When Bush told a visiting Muslim leader that many paths lead to God, knowledgeable biblical believers let not a moment go by without informing the President that he was so utterly incorrect.</p>
<p>These two faith failures will long be remembered by those who know the solid faith they hold as eternal truth. Eternal verities cannot be sliced through. They cannot be used opportunistically for this or that. They are God-given; therefore, even the President of the United States cannot sheer off truth’s solidity.</p>
<p>If Palin tries for the numbers’ game by playing politically correct in any venue, she’s done. Secularists will immediately drive home her inconsistency. Moralists will drive home her weakness.</p>
<p>She cannot afford inconsistencies or weakness. She sounds solid now. She must sound solid all the way through to whatever.</p>
<p>In doing so, she will divide the American people all the more into two fighting segments—secularists versus biblical believers.</p>
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