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<title><![CDATA[Zondervan Fighting Fires on Several Fronts]]></title>
<link>http://paulwilkinson.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/zondervan-fighting-fires-on-several-fronts/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[If there&#8217;s a copy of the NIV in your house, or even a copy of Purpose Driven Life, you know  Z]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><strong><big>If there&#8217;s a copy of the NIV in your house, or even a copy of <em>Purpose Driven Life, </em>you know  Zondervan, the Grand Rapids company founded in 1931 by Pat and Bernie Zondervan, now owned by HarperCollins.</big></strong></p>
<p><big><strong><a href="http://paulwilkinson.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/moe-girkins-zondervan.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-4488" title="Moe Girkins - Zondervan" src="http://paulwilkinson.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/moe-girkins-zondervan.jpg" alt="" width="158" height="213" /></a>But even if you don&#8217;t, you would have a hard time escaping mention of the company online during the last 90 days, as it&#8217;s been a wild ride for company executives, and especially company president Maurine (Moe) Girkins, pictured at right, who seems to be making a public statement on one front or another every week.    Imagine dealing with all this:</strong></big></p>
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<li><big><strong>The <a href="http://paulwilkinson.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/tniv-bible-to-be-phased-out-by-2011/" target="_blank">fall announcement</a> that the TNIV translation would be discontinued in favor of a revised NIV.    This re-sparked old debates over the TNIV&#8217;s use of gender-neutral language, with some discussion shifting from the <em>anthropos=mankind</em></strong></big><big> <strong>argument, to the </strong></big><big><strong><em>plural vs. singular </em>argument and the <em>translation vs. commentary </em>challenge of Bible translation.   In the process, very few people considered that the much better-loved NIV &#8212; as it currently exists &#8211;was also being scrubbed in the process.</strong><br />
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<li><big><strong><a href="http://paulwilkinson.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/shane-hipps-to-join-mars-hill/" target="_blank">The hiring</a> of <em>Flickering Pixels </em>author Shane Hipps by Mars Hill Bible Church in Zondervan&#8217;s hometown, brought Hipps under fire from the discernment ministries who already had their guns aimed at Rob Bell.   It also showcases Zondervan&#8217;s willingness to promote next generation authors and give a platform to younger voices &#8212; bloggers Jon Acuff and Anne Jackson come to mind &#8212; and Emergent church, social justice and missional voices like Brian McLaren, Shane Claiborne or Dan Kimball.   But the downside of this is going to be inexperience at minimum, or more severe controversy as in the next item; and even the hint of heresy from some extreme sides could diminish the value of the Zondervan brand in the eyes of conservative Christians.    The company is caught in the race against other publishers to sign &#8220;the next big thing in Christian writing&#8221; on the dotted line.   With that comes risk.   While there are more and more authors in the marketplace, Donald Millers don&#8217;t grow on trees.</strong></big></li>
<li><big><strong><a href="http://bookshoptalk.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/deadly-viper-pulled-from-retail-shelves-zondervan/" target="_blank">The decision to pull</a> <em>Deadly Viper Character Assasins </em>by Mike Foster and Jud Wilhite was probably not easily made.    Taking a title of out distribution is costly and suggests the company wasn&#8217;t carefully considering the full ramifications of the book&#8217;s content before the presses started rolling.  Most people agree.   Others would say the company got caught in the tide of political correctness and that the book&#8217;s Kung-Fu imagery was a valid literary device to express the authors intent.</strong></big></li>
<li><big><strong><a href="http://bookshoptalk.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/zondervan-sells-youth-specialties-to-youthworks/" target="_blank">The sale of Youth Specialties</a> to Youthworks was the buzz of the recent National Youth Workers Convention, and it follows the release of Youth Specialties head Mark Oestreicher.   Zondervan will continue to hold the print rights to current and future books and resources.</strong></big></li>
<li><big><strong>The downward spiral in the marriage of Jon and Kate Gosselin.   Zondervan is the publisher of <em>Multiple Blessings: Surviving and Thriving with Twins and Sextuplets. </em>The <em>&#8220;</em>story of a young couple who trusted in the ever present hand of a faithful God to provide the strength and courage they needed to face seemingly impossible challenges one day at a time&#8221; no doubt pales in the light of their recent separation and Jon&#8217;s excesses.    Such is the world of celebrity.   Just ask Thomas Nelson, whose biography of Lynn Spears was put on hold a few years back when Britney&#8217;s younger sister became pregnant at a young age.</strong></big></li>
<li><big><strong><a href="http://paulwilkinson.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/princesses-lawsuit-covers-from-the-church-report.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-4489" title="princesses lawsuit covers from The Church Report" src="http://paulwilkinson.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/princesses-lawsuit-covers-from-the-church-report.jpg" alt="" width="183" height="132" /></a>The lawsuit filed last week against Zondervan by Thomas Nelson, alleging copyright infringement in its I-Can-Read series book, <em>The Princess Twins</em> which they say is ripping off the <em>Gigi: God&#8217;s Little Princess</em> book and series by Sheila Walsh.  The similarity in the visual appearance of the characters is complicated by &#8212; but also somewhat explained by &#8212; the fact that both books used the same illustrator.  It also raises the issue of lawsuits among Christians.<br />
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<li><big><strong>The September decision to <a href="http://www.accordancebible.com/3339458/" target="_blank">jettison</a> the company&#8217;s Pradis Bible software and instead work with other software developers such as Logos, with the result that pastors and seminarians don&#8217;t have to have a separate Bible program to utilize Zondervan content.</strong></big></li>
<li><big><strong><a href="http://bookshoptalk.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/publishers-doing-christian-retail-without-christian-retailers/" target="_blank">The shunning</a> of the Christian bookstore market in favor of developing an entire series of specialty Bibles for retail giant Wal-Mart may have been the last straw for those stores.   The backlash could continue for several years as customers bring those copies to the Christian stores looking to buy &#8220;another one like this one&#8221; which store staff will have never seen before.   To further complicate things, the Wal-Mart series piggybacks on several existing Zondervan NIV brands.<br />
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<li><big><strong>Uncertainties as to how many copies of the new Glo Bible software will be returned after Christmas.   With four computers in the house &#8212; two of them recent &#8212; there&#8217;s a little concern in our home as to whether or not we can install the program which requires a dual core processor and 18GB of free hard disc space.  My youngest son, who is into gaming, offered me space on his, but it&#8217;s hard to find time when he&#8217;s not using it.<br />
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<li><big><strong>While it&#8217;s not a Zondervan title, the company&#8217;s sales reps are promoting parent HarperCollins&#8217; release <em>Going Rogue </em>by Sarah Palin in the Christian bookstore market, because of Palin&#8217;s unabashed faith commitment.   But Palin is a wild card, and the company can&#8217;t afford any backlash from the independent Christian bookstores that still remain.</strong></big></li>
<li><big><strong><a href="http://paulwilkinson.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/booty-god-booty.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-4490" title="booty god booty" src="http://paulwilkinson.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/booty-god-booty.jpg" alt="" width="152" height="133" /></a>Stuff Christians Like blogger Jon Acuff&#8217;s book of the same name is due out from the company in the new year.   The blog is somewhat tame at times &#8212; he refused to print two comments by this writer, and I&#8217;m not known for being edgy &#8212; but takes risks in others.    One of the edgier sections is called &#8220;Booty &#8211; God &#8211; Booty&#8221; which frankly discusses the North American penchant for compartmentalizing our lives into the sacred and the profane.    But readers may have to read the section twice to get the illustration, and speaking of illustrations, <a href="http://5ptsalt.com/2009/10/01/compromising-zondervan/?utm_source=feedburner&#38;utm_medium=feed&#38;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+5PtSalt+(5+pt.+Salt)" target="_blank">at least one blogger</a> is upset over this one.</strong></big></li>
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<p><big><strong>And that&#8217;s just a few major items.   I&#8217;d love to be a fly on the wall in the Zondervan conference room.  It&#8217;s hard to imagine one Christian publisher dealing with so many varied issues at the same time.</strong></big></p>
<p><big><strong> I can&#8217;t wait to see what surprises the company has in mind for 2010.</strong></big></p>
<p><big><strong><span style="color:#2d9e81;">Now,  more in the spirit of blogging:  How significant is the name on the spine of a book to you?  Do you note who the publishers are?   Do publisher imprints matter?   Do you have a favorite publisher?</span></strong></big></p>
<p><strong><span style="color:#2d9e81;"><span style="color:#000000;">Pictured below, some graphics from the now off-market <em>Deadly Viper Character Assassins</em>: </span></span></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="color:#2d9e81;"><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://paulwilkinson.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/deadly-viper-character-assassins1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-4493" title="Deadly Viper Character Assassins" src="http://paulwilkinson.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/deadly-viper-character-assassins1.jpg" alt="" width="486" height="477" /></a><br />
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<title><![CDATA[Brannon Howse Warns That Emergents Are Actually Communistic Atheists]]></title>
<link>http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/brannon-howse-warns-that-emergents-are-actually-communistic-atheists/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>donjobson</dc:creator>
<guid>http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/brannon-howse-warns-that-emergents-are-actually-communistic-atheists/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Brannon Howse using GOIP Tech and STRETCH Technology&#8217;s Hellescope discernmentalizes that Emerg]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.worldviewtimes.com/article.php/articleid-5597/Brannon-Howse/Brannon-Howse">Brannon Howse</a> using GOIP Tech and <a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/prepare-for-the-slaughtering-of-the-truth/">STRETCH Technology</a>&#8217;s <a href="http://donjobson.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/brannon-howse-on-mixing-things/">Hellescope</a> discernmentalizes that <a href="http://www.abercrombie.cc/map.html">Emergents</a> are actually Atheistic Communists:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Emerging Trouble</strong></p>
<p> The pastors and authors of one of America&#8217;s fastest growing spiritual movements, the Emergent Church, sing the praises of socialism. As I&#8217;ll explain in more detail later, the Emergent Church champions the neo-Marxist call for a utopian society through spiritual evolution where good and evil merge to form a &#8220;better&#8221; third option. This idea derives from the belief system of philosophers such as Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel and finds its contemporary manifestation in the &#8220;Third Way&#8221; movement of Bill Clinton and Tony Blair. In the Third Way, capitalism, socialism, and communism merge to form a misanthropic combination of the three. This blending is now represented in the terms &#8220;the New World Order&#8221; and &#8220;the new enlightenment.&#8221;</p>
<p> The Third Way promotes Communitarianism, a toxic blend of communism, socialism, atheism, and Cosmic Humanism. Communitarians believe in universal health care, government-subsidized housing and education,<a href="http://www.noteviljustwrong.com/?aff_id=109"> radical environmentalism</a>, Fabian socialism, and the like.</p>
<p>An article on the website of the Democratic Leadership Council explains how Clinton and Blair have promoted Third Way thinking across the globe:</p>
<p>On Sunday, April 25, 1999, President Clinton and the DLC hosted a historic roundtable discussion, &#8220;The Third Way: Progressive Governance for the 21st Century, &#8220;with five world leaders including British PM Tony Blair, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Dutch PM Wim Kok, and Italian PM Massimo D&#8217;Alema, the First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton and DLC President Al From.[4]</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Starting with Bill Clinton&#8217;s Presidential campaign in 1992, Third Way thinking is reshaping progressive politics throughout the world. Inspired by the example of Clinton and the New Democrats, Tony Blair in Britain led a revitalized New Labour party back to power in 1997. The victory of Gerhard Shroeder and the Social Democrats in Germany the next year confirmed the revival of center-left parties which either control or are part of the governing coalition forming throughout the European Union. From Latin America to Australia and New Zealand, Third Way ideas also are taking hold.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Not to be hoodwinked by the window dressing of Third Way advocates, however, Vaclav Klaus, prime minister of the Czech Republic, warns against the real future it offers: &#8220;The Third Way is the fastest route to the Third World.&#8221;[5] But that seems to be where communitarians want to take us.</p>
<p><strong>Grave Influence: 21 Radicals and Their Worldviews that Rule America from the Grave</strong></p>
<p>This is it, the one book you need to read if you want to understand the big picture, connect all the dots, and understand current times, and future events and trends that will be unfolding. This ground-breaking book by best-selling author Brannon Howse is the result of thousands of hours of research over many years and is must reading for every teenager and adult.</p>
<p>Brannon reveals how the worldviews of 21 dead people are still influencing every aspect of American life and vying for the hearts and minds of adults and students. Whether we are discussing, law, science, economics, history, family, social issues, education or religion, the people and worldviews seeking to further their agenda in these disciplines are almost always connected back to four major forces. Brannon reveals the connection between occultism/pagan spirituality, the apostate church, the educational establishment and government/corporations.</p>
<p>Through this book you will come to understand the oppositions worldview, heroes, goals, strategies, masking terms, networks and targets. Those who share the worldviews of these 21 enemies of our constitutional republic and Biblical worldview do not want their agenda and its consequences to be revealed to the American people. Above all, they do not want us to equip and train our children and grandchildren with a Biblical worldview by which to recognize, reject, and fight against their seductive and destructive lies. This book will equip you to do just that as Brannon gives specific and pro-active responses you can take to make this the finest hour for the American church.</p>
<p>Here is the list of twenty-one for which Brannon has dug up worldview facts you must know and prepare to oppose:<br />
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Saul Alinsky, Karl Marx, John Dewey, John Maynard Keynes, Aldous Huxley, Charles Darwin, Friedrich Nietzsche, Margaret Sanger, William James, Alice Bailey, Helen Schuman, Sigmund Freud, Alfred Kinsey, Benjamin Bloom, B.F. Skinner, The Frankfurt School, Soren Kierkegaard, Julius Wellhausen, Christopher Columbus Langdell, Betty Friedan and Roger Baldwin</p>
<p><strong>Topics covered include:</strong></p>
<p>Corporate fascism, sustainable development, the Third Way, global governance, dialectic process, the Delphi technique, the Cloward-Piven Strategy and deliberate chaos, community organizing, Fabian socialism, the federal reserve and a fiat currency, America&#8217;s decline is Europe&#8217;s gain, cultural Marxism, government mandated youth service, legal positivism, postmodernism, soft-despotism, higher-criticism, pagan spirituality, feminism, welfare-state capitalism, the false-dominate church, the Emergent Church, the spiritual battle for America, the United Nations and occultism, unmasking the one-world religion, the deconstructionists in the culture and in the church, psychological labeling of dissenters, behavior modification, a planned economy, the assault on parental authority, the two tracks to globalism, Keynesian economics, collectivism, similarities between America and Nazi Germany, national leaders are a reflection of the people, social justice, why the culture war is lost if the church goes weak, is God judging America?, When and why does God judge a nation?, the environmentalist/globalist connection, cultural revolution/sexual revolution, the right to die becomes the duty to die, the true purpose of the law, why the State wants the children, are we all God&#8217;s children? And much, much more.</p>
<p>Click here to order now:<br />
<a href="http://www.worldviewweekend.com/secure/store/product.php?ProductID=1044">http://www.worldviewweekend.com/secure/store/product.php?ProductID=1044</a></p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.worldviewweekend.com/traininginstitute/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-4191" title="Fascist Calvinazi Worldview Brainwasing" src="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/fascist-calvinazi-worldview-brainwasing.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="138" /></a></p>
<p>We agree that <a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/mike-morrells-romanist-leanings/">Emergents</a> are Absolutely evil. Just look at how a typical Emergent looks:</p>
<p><a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/evil_josh_normal.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-4192" title="Evil_Josh_normal" src="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/evil_josh_normal.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="538" /></a></p>
<p>This is why ye must avoid those evil Emergent heretics: <a href="http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/2009/11/atheists-view-of-christians-christians.html">Iggy</a>, <a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/11/23/how-open-is-god/">Tripp Fuller</a>, <a href="http://thegroundworks.blogspot.com/2009/08/reality-and-skepticism.html">The Groundworks</a>, <a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/is-god-a-recovering-practitioner-of-violence/">Mike Morrell</a> and <a href="http://theopoet4camp.blogspot.com/">TheoPoet</a>.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Rob Bell In Columbus]]></title>
<link>http://thinkcreatedesign.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/rob-bell-in-columbus/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Rob Bell in Columbus, Ohio on December 10 for the Drops Like Stars Tour. Just found out they are fil]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:center;">Rob Bell in Columbus, Ohio on December 10 for the Drops Like Stars Tour.</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;">Just found out they are filming the Columbus tour for the DVD.</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;">Already got my tickets.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Brannon Howse On Mixing Things]]></title>
<link>http://donjobson.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/brannon-howse-on-mixing-things/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>donjobson</dc:creator>
<guid>http://donjobson.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/brannon-howse-on-mixing-things/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord&#8221;  2 Corinthians 6:17 2 Cor 6:14]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>&#8220;Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord&#8221;  <a href="http://calltodiscernment.blogspot.com/2006/02/true-christians-separate-from-world.html">2 Corinthians 6:17</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.biblestudies.org/Documents/Doctrines/Be_Ye_Seperate.htm">2 Cor 6:14,15,17</a>-BE YE (that is you) NOT UNEQUALLY YOKED TOGETHER WITH UNBELIEVERS: FOR WHAT FELLOWSHIP HATH RIGHTEOUSNESS WITH UNRIGHTEOUSNESS? AND WHAT COMMUNION HATH LIGHT WITH DARKNESS?…WHAT PART HATH HE THAT BELIEVETH WITH AN INFIDEL (an unbeliever)? WHEREFORE COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM, AND BE YE (that is you) SEPARATE, SAITH THE LORD</p></blockquote>
<p>Brannon Howse in his latest missive brings out the importance of the <a href="http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/separate/bibdocse.htm">Pure Biblical Doctrine of Separatism</a>. Here is the first paragraph from his <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">laxative</span> missive:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><a href="http://www.worldviewtimes.com/article.php/articleid-5597/Brannon-Howse/Brannon-Howse">The Emerging Third Way of Apostate Pastors and Globalist Leaders<br />
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<div><strong>By Brannon S. Howse</strong></div>
<p><strong>The following is an excerpt from the just released book by Brannon Howse<em>, Grave Influence: 21 Radicals and Their Worldviews That Rule America From The Grave</em> (368 pages, hard-cover)</strong>Click here to order your copy today:<br />
<a href="http://www.worldviewweekend.com/secure/store/product.php?ProductID=1044">http://www.worldviewweekend.com/secure/store/product.php?ProductID=1044</a><strong> </strong></p>
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<p><strong></strong>The leaders in the educational establishment, the apostate Church, occultism/pagan spirituality, or the government-corporate complex want the idea of social and spiritual evolution embraced worldwide in order to bring about their desired &#8220;new order&#8221; or &#8220;new world order.&#8221; Secular humanist and Fabian Socialist Julian Huxley (brother of Aldous) was the First Director General of the United Nations Educational, Science, and Culture Organization (UNESCO). He explained, &#8220;The task is to help the emergence of a single world culture…&#8221;[1]</p>
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<p>Did you hear that strong separtist language? That&#8217;s right America should <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">not</span> be separated from the other nations as  they are not <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">are</span> Pure and are <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">not</span> full of darkness. This is why GOIP Labs is working on secret technology to totally separate America God&#8217;s Chosen and Holy Nation from the darkness of all those other heathen nations&#8211;especially Canada, Russia and France.</p>
<p>Keep ye separate from heathen political parties and do not mix with their ideologies.  This is another <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">non-</span>essential <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">subjective opinion on a non-</span>Absolute biblical truth highlighted in Brannon&#8217;s <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">forceful</span> <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">farceful</span> <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">fartful</span> succint essay:</p>
<blockquote><p>This &#8220;task&#8221; is even at work in America&#8217;s political arena. Bill Clinton&#8217;s mentor and former professor Carrol Quigley made this clear in his book, <em>Tragedy and Hope:</em></p>
<p>The chief problem of American political life&#8230;has been how to make the two Congressional parties more national and international. The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can &#8220;throw the rascals out&#8221; at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.[2]</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s working. While there are some truly conservative Republicans, most embrace the same worldview and agenda of their fellow politicians across the aisle. This is a form of Marx&#8217;s dialectic process, the true intent of which is revealed by Julian Huxley:</p>
<p>…at the moment, two opposing philosophies of life confront each other…You may categorize the two philosophies as super nationalism, or as individualism versus collectivism…or as capitalism versus communism, or as Christianity verses Marxism. Can these opposites be reconciled, this antithesis be resolved in a higher synthesis? I believe not only that this can happen, but that, through the inexorable dialectic of evolution, it must happen.[3]</p>
<p>Those who buy into Darwinian or neo-Darwinian evolution and apply it to society embrace this concept of social evolution. There are others who apply it not only to the social and cultural arenas but also to the spiritual world. Generally, these are New Age devotees of the New Spirituality. Generally-but not always.</p></blockquote>
<p>We agree that mixing political parties is like the <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">non-</span>evilness of <a href="http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2009/01/brannon-howse-is-evil.html"><span style="text-decoration:line-through;">Progressive</span> Christians</a> mixing with <a href="http://jeffthefish.com/2008/04/16/brannon-howse-christianest-jerk-ever/">Athiests <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">against their commmon foe the nutcase Brannon Howse</span> </a>period. Clearly <a href="http://hjhop.blogspot.com/2009/10/to-david-barton-and-brannon-howse-put.html">Athiests</a> and  <a href="http://www.emergentvillage.com/weblog/emergent-politics">Emergents</a> are <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">not</span> to blame for all of our political problems.</p>
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<div>He sent His Word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.<br />
(Psalm 107:20)</div>
<p>Meditation that is not founded upon the Word of God, like a<a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Nam30.htm">labyrinth</a>, is a maze that ultimately ends up in futility, going nowhere but endless spirals.</p>
<p>Those who have practiced Eastern-style meditation, with its emptying of the mind and/or visualization (imagery), often do so because they desire to acquire peace, or because they are hurting and desire their inner psycho-spiritual needs to be met. Yet they will eventually find that their needs are not met, and they are more empty than ever. Further, this type of meditation opens one&#8217;s mind to occult spirituality &#8211; even if it is done under the aura of being &#8220;Christian.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those who engage in the pantheon of contemplative practices need to beware that it is described as &#8220;two intentions that are the foundation of all contemplative practices: cultivating awareness and developing a stronger connection to God, the divine, or inner wisdom.&#8221;[1] See <a href="http://www.contemplativemind.org/practices/tree.html">&#8220;The Tree of Contemplative Practices&#8221;</a> posted <a href="http://www.contemplativemind.org/practices/tree.html">HERE.</a> This is a graphic representation of how the &#8220;roots of the tree encompass and transcend differences in the religious traditions from which many of the practices originated, and allow room for the inclusion of new practices that are being created in secular contexts.&#8221;[2]</p>
<p>Looking at this tree, it is obvious that what passes for &#8220;Christian&#8221; meditation in our modern era springs from the Gnostic roots of this occult tree. Is it any wonder that this tree then bears corresponding occult fruit? Note that this contemplative tree does not promise life, only &#8220;wisdom,&#8221; which just happens to be what the serpent promised Eve if she ate of the fruit of the tree in the Garden of Eden.</p>
<p>But what about the person who is truly needy? One who is experiencing a crisis of faith? Who is being persecuted? The fragile believer who feels that their faith is floundering or drying up? These struggling believers are being encouraged to run to this &#8220;contemplative tree&#8221; of eclectic spiritual practices to find refuge, solace and comfort. After all, it istrendy to run to this contemporary contemplative tree, despite its antiquated roots buried in the deep strata of occultism.</p>
<p>This alluring multifaceted tree promises healing, renewal, insight, rest, wisdom and access to God. But, warning! Eating its fruit results in spiritual blindness and deafness, bondage and emptiness.</p>
<p>The Tree of Life</p>
<p>There is another tree, which is found in Scripture. It is based on the Word of God. Psalm 1 describes the believer who finds his &#8221;delight in the the law of the LORD&#8221; and says that in this law (God&#8217;s Word) &#8221;doth he meditate day and night.&#8221; If a believer does this he is promised that he shall &#8221;be like atree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper&#8221; (verses 2-3, emphases added). What a promise!</p>
<p>Meditating on the Word of God produces beautiful fruit in the lives of Christian believers. There are many other promises in Scripture for the believer who meditates upon God&#8217;s Word. These are personal promises that apply not only to daily living, but also to a wide variety of life crises, feelings, situations, hurts, pains, persecutions, trials, trouble and dangers. Here is just a brief sampling, starting at Psalm 119, which is a treasure trove of promises to those who meditate on God&#8217;s Word; i.e. His precepts, commandments, judgments, law and testimonies:</p>
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<li>vs. 25 - My soul cleaveth unto the dust: quicken thou me according to thy Word.</li>
<li>vs. 28 - My soul melteth for heaviness: strengthenthou me according unto thy Word.</li>
<li>vs. 97 - O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.</li>
<li>vs. 104 - Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.</li>
<li>vs. 105 - Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet, and a lightunto my path.</li>
<li>vs. 130 - The entrance of thy Words giveth light; itgiveth understanding unto the simple.</li>
<li>vs. 133 - Order my steps in thy Word: and let not anyiniquity have dominion over me.</li>
<li>vs. 134 - Deliver me from the oppression of man: so will I keep thy precepts.</li>
<li>vs. 161 - Princes have persecuted me without a cause: but my heart standeth in awe of thy Word.</li>
<li>vs. 162 - I rejoice at thy Word, as one that findeth great spoil.</li>
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<p>Proverbs 30:5 further promises that &#8221;Every word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isaiah 29 warns about idolatrous hearts (vs. 13) and says that the &#8221;wisdom of their wise men shall perish&#8221; (vs. 14). Then Isaiah 30 speaks to those who &#8221;despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon&#8221; (vs. 12), but promises that &#8221;in returning [i.e., repentance] and rest shall ye be saved.&#8221; This same verse promises the very thing that contemplative practices claim to accomplish -rest! And it further promises that &#8221;in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength.&#8221; But, sadly, the verse concludes with the tragic statement: &#8221;and ye would not.&#8221;</p>
<p>God&#8217;s ways are not hidden like the obscure &#8220;wisdom&#8221; of the occult that must be meditated upon in endless ways that never satisfy. He has given us His Word openly. Twice in Isaiah God says, &#8221;I have not spoken in secret&#8221; (Isaiah 45:19 and 48:16). God&#8217;s Word does satisfy, and we are promised in Isaiah 55:11 that: &#8221;So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.&#8221;</p>
<p>The New Testament, particularly in the book of Acts, records the power of the Word of God to change human lives. The backdrop to the events in Acts is strikingly similar to our modern era with its rapidly rising idolatry and occult spirituality. God&#8217;s Word alone has the miraculous power to change lives. Paul told King Agrippa that the purpose of preaching the Gospel (i.e., God&#8217;s Word) was &#8221;To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me&#8221; (Acts 26:18). And in Romans Paul states that the Gospel of Christ &#8221;is the power of God unto salvation&#8221;(vs. 16).</p>
<p>Many today avoid God&#8217;s Word. They do not run to it as a source of strength and sustenance. They will do anything butread God&#8217;s Word! In Jeremiah 2:13 we read how readily people will substitute an inferior man-made product for The Way: &#8221;For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps the reason for avoidance of God&#8217;s Word is because His Word is uncomfortable &#8211; it is &#8221;quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart&#8221; (Hebrews 4:12). The Word provokes believers to have their conscience quickened to sin in their hearts and lives, and it encourages them to &#8221;Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance&#8221; (Matthew 3:8)!</p>
<p>Many Scriptures warn about hardening of the heart, which is the consequence of not obeying the Word. These are not popular verses in our era, particularly the ones that refer to hardness of heart being wicked!</p>
<ul>
<li>John 12:40 - &#8221;He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.&#8221;</li>
<li>Romans 2:4-5 - &#8221;Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;&#8221;</li>
<li>Proverbs 21:29 - &#8221;A wicked man hardeneth his face: but as for the upright, he directeth his way.&#8221;</li>
<li>Proverbs 28:14 - &#8221;Happy is the man that feareth alway: but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief.&#8221;</li>
<li>Proverbs 29:1 - &#8221;He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>Hebrews 3:8 warns particularly, &#8221;Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness,&#8221; which is followed by verse 11, &#8221;So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.&#8221; This is that true rest which can only be found in obedience to God&#8217;s Word. It cannot be obtained through the pursuing of meditative mechanisms.</p>
<p>Eating the fruit of <a href="http://www.contemplativemind.org/practices/tree.html">&#8220;The Tree of Contemplative Practices&#8221;</a>cannot result in either repentance nor rest, but rather in an increasing tolerance for doctrinal ambiguity, sinful living, ecumenism, and mysticism. Romans 1 describes the downhill progression that begins with being &#8221;vain&#8221; in one&#8217;s&#8221;imaginations.&#8221; This vanity seems an apt description of all entry-level contemplative practices. It quickly degenerates into one&#8217;s &#8221;foolish heart&#8221; becoming &#8221;darkened.&#8221; Romans 1 indicates that this downward spiral becomes outright idolatry, vile affections, a reprobate mind, and a long list of evil practices.</p>
<p>Where is God&#8217;s sovereignty and majesty? Job was chastised by God for his inadequate and inferior view of Him. Couldn&#8217;t the same thing be said today to those who worship at <a href="http://www.contemplativemind.org/practices/tree.html">&#8220;The Tree of Contemplative Practices&#8221;</a>? While they pursue their various pilgrimages, meditations, chantings, journalings, sweatlodges and visionquests, God is saying to them:&#8221;Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding?&#8221; (vs. 4).</p>
<p>Likewise, Isaiah 66:5a cries out: &#8221;Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word.&#8221; Does anyone tremble at His Word anymore? Jeremiah Burroughs, in his classic workGospel Fear: Developing a Tender Hart that Trembles at the Word of God (1647)[3], describes the effects of having a&#8221;fear of the Lord&#8221; which is the &#8221;instruction of wisdom,&#8221; as stated in Proverbs 15:33, and notes that those who tremble at the Word must have a &#8220;teachable disposition.&#8221;[4]. Citing Proverbs 17:10 (&#8220;A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool&#8221;), Burroughs asks: &#8220;Do you find your heart so tender that a word works upon you? This is a sign of the wisdom of God that is in your soul.&#8221;[5]</p>
<p>Once again, ironically, the very thing that those who pursue after contemplative mysticism desire - wisdom - is there all along for those who immerse themselves in God&#8217;s Word! It is interesting that Proverbs 3, especially verses 13 and 18, promises wisdom, saying that it is a &#8221;tree of life&#8221; - &#8221;Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding&#8230; She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.&#8221;[emphasis added]</p>
<p>The Truth:</p>
<p>&#8220;He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.&#8221; (Revelation 2:7)</p>
<p>Endnotes:<br />
1. &#8220;The Tree of Contemplative Practices,&#8221; the Center for Contemplative Mind in Society, <a href="http://www.contemplativemind.org/practices/tree.html">http://www.contemplativemind.org/practices/tree.html</a><br />
2. Ibid.<br />
3. Jeremiah Burroughs, Gospel Fear: Developing a Tender Hart that Trembles at the Word of God (Soli Deo Gloria Publications, 2001), <a href="http://www.blogger.com/www.SDGbooks.com">www.SDGbooks.com</a>.<br />
4. p. 46.<br />
5. p. 86, emphasis added.</p>
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<description><![CDATA[ Deception Driven Church? You decide&#8230;   Stuart L. Brogden compiled this comparison between wha]]></description>
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<div>Stuart L. Brogden compiled this comparison between what Relevant Rick teaches in <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Purpose Driven Church</span> and what the Bible teaches.</div>
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<p>All the work of all men contains error.  That I perceive error in Rick Warren’s work is not note worthy.  But the repeated patterns of false teaching over 20 or more years and 25 million or so books combine for something to take notice of.  This book proclaims an Armenian, man-centered view of the world and its Creator, claiming all the while to be a Biblically sound God-centered work.  I think it is actually Biblically bankrupt, gilded with the false gospel of pragmatism.  As subtle and dangerous as the serpent in the garden, Warren calls us to believe a lie.</p>
<p>Curious – Many people have criticized Rick Warren by calling him a disciple or associate of Robert Schuller.  Warren has denied in this in myriad letters and articles, wanting to put distance between himself and the father of “possibility thinking”.  So why does Warren include Schuller’s effusive endorsement of this book (on the third page of the endorsements in the front of the book)?  And why does so much of Warren’s instruction sound so much like Schuller (see quotes at the end of this review)?</p>
<p>“The Purpose Driven Church” (PDC) is a humanistic, psychological view of how to handle a church, sprinkled with scripture in whichever translation or version can most easily be used to allegedly support Warren’s claims.  Whereas “The Purpose Driven Life” started out with a truth and spent itself in contradiction, so does PDC – claiming rightfully (page 14) “Only God makes the church grow” – and spending nearly 400 pages telling man how to manipulate people into something that only looks like church growth.</p>
<p>The foreward is a sugary sweet, sappy tribute from a once credible W.A. Criswell.  In his opening statement, Criswell declares that “God could not have a given me a more beloved and effective ‘son in the ministry’ than Rick Warren.”  You know a man is wrong when he limits God or assigns human characteristics to Him.  Criswell claims Saddleback “has grown <em>without compromising the mission or the doctrine</em> of a New Testament church.”  (Italics in the original.)  We shall see.  Criswell parrots the Schuller/Warren principal – “If churches are to be successful in evangelizing our society, which is becoming more pagan by the day, they must learn to think like an unbeliever.”  (Sic)  Right there, Criswell shows that he has lost sight of the New Testament church.</p>
<p>In what appears to be the introduction, Warren tells us the church must “look for the spiritual waves” of church growth, saying “because our churches haven’t been taught the needed skills, we are missing the spiritual waves that could bring revival, health, and explosive growth to our churches.”  Evidently, Warren’s Bible is not adequate instruction to the church or its members on the topic of spiritual outreach and discipleship.  He shows us right off that he is focused on “growth”.  And in this introduction, as well as throughout the book, Warren pays lip service to God while heralding and teaching humanistic methods.</p>
<p>It appears, even in the introduction, that Warren has slipped into an Armenian worldview, saying churches need to ask, “What barriers are blocking the waves God wants to send our way?”  (pages 15 &#38; 16)  Poor, God Almighty – needs the church to move barriers out of the way.  Warren tells us (page 17) “the key issue for churches in the twenty-first century will be church <em>health</em>, not church growth.”  He then goes on to tell us, same page, that he’s “been a student of growing churches” for over twenty years. </p>
<p>On page 18, Warren rightly lauds the Bible, and then declares, “My greatest source of learning, however has been watching what God has done in the church I pastor.”  This pragmatic view – study men and how to motivate them &#8211; pervades this whole book, and everything of Warren that I’ve read.</p>
<p>In Part One, page 26 &#38; 27, Warren reciprocates Criswell’s sappy sweet foreword, quoting a Criswell prayer/prophecy of church growth for Warren, convinced that God had called him to pastor a church – sounding much like a mutual admiration society.  Warren admonishes us (page 27) to not “copy things we did without considering the context”, but to look at the “transferable principles”.  We will see what these “transferable principles” are shortly. </p>
<p>Still on page 27, Warren states, “Very little of Saddleback’s ministry was preplanned.”  Remember this claim.  He then devotes the balance of chapter 1 describing all the planning that went into the “planting” of Saddleback.  His research led Warren to conclude that the pastor is the key figure in the health and growth of the church, describing the pastor as the “daddy” of the church!  Any church that has this view of its pastor has already failed. </p>
<p>In spite of telling us that only God grows the church, Warren’s research drew him to the fastest growing population center in the country, a fact that “grabbed me by the throat and made my heart start racing.”  Lots of people moving into an area typified by upper middle class Americans certainly set a solid stage for numerical growth – a very pragmatic view. </p>
<p>On page 38, Warren recommends a list of preachers he heard on the radio.  While several on Warren’s list are sound pastors, he recommends to his reader Robert Schuller and John Wimber as well.  No disciple of Christ should recommend these false teachers to anyone, much less the wide and long term audience of a book. </p>
<p>And on the next page, Warren says that, with Saddleback, he ”determined to <em>begin</em> with unbelievers, rather than a core of committed Christians.”  Consider this statement carefully.  In the first case, the church is comprised of believers, not those who don’t believe.  By purposefully refusing to build his church surrounded by mature saints, there was nobody to hold Warren accountable as a preacher.  Who in this group of lost folks that he gathered could understand anything spiritual?  The Bible tells us those who are lost cannot discern spiritual matters.  A “pastor” with only lost people in his “church” is no pastor.  What Warren started was an evangelistic outreach to middle class lost Americans – not a church.  Near the end of this page Warren tells us he spent <em>12 weeks</em> studying lost folks in order to know what his “church” should be like.  “No planning” went into the founding of Saddleback, he told us.  Studying heathens, rather than scripture, was how he planned Saddleback.  Apparently without any elders or other biblical safeguards, he was swept away by one of the “spiritual waves” he was surfing for.</p>
<p>Page 44 – “pastor” Warren excitedly recounts how Saddleback “caught a wave”, when over 200 heathens showed up to the service designed with them in mind.  While many churches have operated in temporary settings, Warren touts Saddleback’s “homeless” years as if they were a special virtue.  Thankfully, he recounts a proper understanding of the Great Commission (page 46), yet he leaves this reader wondering how many of his “seekers” make it around the “bases” to becoming a “servant-hearted Christian.” </p>
<p>Starting on page 47, Warren uses “conventional wisdom” to create several straw-man myths to knock down.</p>
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<li>“Myth #1: The Only Thing That Large Churches Care About Is Attendance.”  While many have rightfully pointed out the tendency of many large churches to focus too much attention on attendance, I have never heard of any rational person saying it’s the <em>only</em> thing.  Warren’s own words, with the series of “if” statements leave out the essential bit of the Gospel, wherein the lost are confronted with their sin and the attendant need of a Savior.  He “validates” his Gospel-lite by observing, “it’s happening all over the world.”  On page 49 we are told that “Intentionally setting up a strategy and a structure to force ourselves to give equal attention to each purpose is what being a purpose-driven church is all about.”  None of Warren’s 5 listed purposes (page 49) convey the Gospel of Jesus Christ.</li>
<li>Myths 2, 3, &#38; 4: Once again, Warren touts all-or-nothing myths that are, in truth, common failings among many churches.  In talking about purpose #4, Warren discloses that his view of church discipline consists of dropping from membership those rogues who fail to fulfill the membership covenant.  I don’t think that’s what the Lord tells us in Matthew 18.</li>
<li>“Myth #5: If You Are Dedicated Enough, Your Church Will Grow.”  Any pastor who believes this “myth” has lost sight of Who builds the church.  To counter “good, godly pastors” who are dedicated yet have churches that are not growing, Warren provides a prescription that follows the same rabbit trail as his “myth” – relying on human effort.</li>
<li>“Myth #7: All God Expects of Us Is Faithfulness” In the short list that follows, Warren tells us we must also bear fruit (true) and makes it sound as if we can make ourselves be fruitful.  Bearing spiritual fruit is the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of saints, not a trait the person can develop.</li>
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<p>Let me take a break and say that I think pages 64, 65, 68 – 79, and 393 &#38; 394 are sound teaching.  Not all in this book is worthless or dangerous, but even these passages are mere “spiritual cotton candy”.</p>
<p>On page 77, Warren uses metaphorical, non-Biblical definitions to build a case for churches being driven.  In Scripture, the word drive and derivatives are used in conjunction with people being punished.  Those being treated kindly by God are led, as sheep, not driven.  Context is key to proper interpretation, and Warren strips a word out of its Biblical context and uses its tertiary meaning to lay the foundation for his whole trademarked “driven” model, pulling people away from the Biblical view of how God leads His children.</p>
<p>Near the bottom of page 79, Warren gives a welcome warning to not “allow seekers to drive the total agenda of the church.” – but I must confess that this book, as a whole, leads me to believe Warren allows “seekers” to drive entirely too much of his church’s agenda. </p>
<p>After listing, on pages 77 – 79, seven things that should not drive churches (tradition, personality, finances, programs, buildings, events, and seekers), he reveals, on page 80, “What is needed today are churches that are driven by purpose instead of by other forces.”  And, “You must begin to look at everything your church does through the lens of five New Testament purposes”.  Warren’s 5 purposes are culled from scripture, but, again, churches and saints are to be led by the Spirit of God – not driven by anything.  And his 5 purposes are not “the lens” of the Word.</p>
<p>On pages 86 &#38; 87, Warren uses different Bible paraphrases to ensure the word “purpose” is used.  On page 91, he tells us that the church in Philippi was “captivated by Paul’s mission” (Philippians 4:15); whereas Paul makes it clear that he preached Christ crucified and resurrected – people were captivated by Christ and led by His Spirit, not Paul’s “mission”.</p>
<p>On page 93, we are pointed to scripture for the correct question, but led to Warren’s self-proclaimed mentor, heathen business guru Peter Drucker, for the diagnostic standard: “Your church’s purpose statement must become the standard by which you measure your congregation’s health and growth.”  Oops.  I thought the Bible and the Holy Spirit give us everything needed to live a righteous life in Christ Jesus (2 Peter 2:1 – 3)</p>
<p>Page 95: Warren tells about a church that he claims was “theologically sound” and “sound asleep”.  He says, “the church leaders had become lazy and lethargic.”  That does not sound like a “theologically sound” church to me.  It appears to be labeled as such to create a straw man to be knocked down by Warren.</p>
<p>On the next page, Warren tells us, “Prior to starting Saddleback Church I took six months to do an extensive, personal Bible study on the church”.  Remember page 27 – not much planning went into Saddleback?  As part of Warren’s Bible study on the church, about a third of his listed scripture passages are from the four Gospel accounts – they describe Christ’s life, but not the church.  Remember – most of the life of Christ took place <em>before</em> the New Testament church was founded.</p>
<p>In Part Two, Warren describes “the 5 purposes for the church” – Biblically sound purposes but not completely sound in his exposition on them.  “Purpose #3: Go and make disciples.  This purpose we call <em>evangelism</em>.”  One must indeed evangelize (preach the Gospel to) lost folks before they can be discipled, but the focus of this aspect of the Great Commission is on the making of disciples – not evangelism.  Seeker sensitive churches are widely critiqued as being ineffective in discipleship – this error may explain that, in part.</p>
<p>In describing Saddleback’s purpose statement, Warren notes “three important distinctives”, the first of which is, “it is stated <em>in terms of results</em> rather than in terms of activity.”  This is a common failing of man – trying to control the results of his activities; pragmatism defined.  (From John MacArthur: “What is pragmatism?  Basically it is the philosophy that results determine meaning, truth, and value–what will work becomes a more important question than what is true.  As Christians, we are called to trust what the Lord says, preach that message to others, and leave the results to Him. But many have set that aside.  Seeking relevancy and success, they have welcomed the pragmatic approach and have received the proverbial Trojan horse.”)  Throughout His Word, God calls His people to obedience – not to results.  Often, the results He brings about are not what man expects or would seek.  I believe the Biblical pattern is to remind us that our efforts have no merit before God – only the work of Jesus does. </p>
<p>On page 109, Warren sums up his argument for your church to adopt his purpose-driven model by saying, “To do less <em>is to leave to chance</em> the great responsibility we’ve given by our Lord Jesus Christ.”  (emphasis mine)  This is another glimpse into what appears to be Warren’s Armenian view of God.  And if recommending Schuller and Wimber are not enough, Warren touts David (or Paul) Yonggi Cho’s occult Central Church in Seoul, Korea.  This man has written &#8220;You can create the presence of Jesus with your mouth.  He is bound by your lips and by your words.&#8221;  He and Schuller are fans of one another and disciples of the risen Lord Jesus should view neither of them credibly.</p>
<p>In chapter 6, Warren teaches pastors how to communicate their purposes.  He reviews the narrative of Nehemiah’s rebuilding of the wall around Jerusalem and discovers what he calls, “the Nehemiah principle”.  Since the Jews working on the wall grew discouraged after 26 days of work, Warren projects that onto every church and declares, “<em>Vision and purpose must be restated every twenty-six days to keep the church moving in the right direction.</em>”  Certainly, a degree of repetition is a hallmark of effective communication.  But the larger issue is that of deriving a key principle from a narrative contained in scripture.  This is a dangerous practice, the best example I can think of being Bruce Wilkerson’s subtly deceptive book, “The Prayer of Jabez”.</p>
<p>On pages 113 and 114, Warren encourages good personal management techniques – once again showing how to create “good results” by manipulating people and calling it God’s work.  “People tend to do whatever gets rewarded, so make heroes of people in your church when they do the work of the church.”  God tells us not to seek the applause or rewards of men, but to trust God who is faithful to reward those walk by faith, not by sight.  Biblical leadership often flies in the face of accepted “good personal management techniques.”</p>
<p>Warren stays on track into chapter 7, opening with a story about George Whitfield and John Wesley.  Whitfield preached 18,000 sermons to 100,000 people but left no organization behind, whereas Wesley left us the Methodist denomination – as if what we can see today determines the value of the work these men did.  And as far as I can tell, the Lord Jesus did not leave us much of an organization – what would Warren say about His legacy?  Further in this chapter, pages 126 &#38; 127, Warren recommends false teachers among others who are Biblically sound.  Check out the teachings of Dallas Willard, Richard Foster, and Peter Wagner – men who think themselves modern prophets and apostles of the church. </p>
<p>In discussing Saddleback’s “5 Circles of Community”, pages 131 and following, Warren tells us he focuses evangelism efforts on those who have already attended his church.  He is either derelict in failing to send witnesses out into the lost world or admitting his “church” is fairly well full of lost folks.  He admits that a heathen cannot worship God, but is “convinced that genuine worship is a powerful witness to unbelievers if it is done in a style that makes sense to them.”  Genuine worship is a spiritual act and impossible for a lost person to comprehend.  But note that Warren emphasizes the <em>style</em> of worship, as if the emotional connection with the music can save anyone.  And this from a man who adamantly maintains style and methods don’t matter in justifying his use of all sorts of culturally relevant music and drama.  He goes on to say, “If an unbeliever makes a commitment to regular attendance at Saddleback, I believe it will be just a matter of time until he accepts Christ.”  With Warren’s declared determination to avoid preaching the law or anything that would convict a lost person of his sin, one wonders what in Saddleback would cause anyone to be saved.  Time hanging with supposed saints won’t save anyone unless the Gospel is preached – which does not appear to happen at Saddleback.</p>
<p>On page 133, Warren describes Saddleback’s membership covenant, which requires “a commitment to three spiritual habits: (1) having a daily quiet time, (2) tithing ten percent of their income (Nowhere in scripture are Christian instructed – even implicitly – to tithe, but give as the Spirit of God leads and not under compulsion. &#8211; 2 Corinthians 9:6 &#38; 7), and (3) being active in a small group.”  This sounds like the chains of legalism – whereas the Bible tells Saints to be led by the Spirit in such matters.  He sets up this disclosure by describing people who are “dedicated to growing in discipleship” … “but they have not yet gotten involved in ministry.”  This is a contradiction in terms, indicating that pastor Rick has a non-Biblical definition of discipleship. </p>
<p>Warren says, “Jesus started where people were – at their level of commitment – but he never left them there.”  I do not see this when I read the Bible: lost folks have NO commitment to Christ.  He says Jesus “didn’t lay any heavy requirement” on John and Andrew, but every Jewish boy <em>knew</em> the total commitment required when a Rabbi bid one, “come”.  Further on page 135, Warren claims that Christ did not issue “his ultimate challenge to the crowd” until these people had hung around Him for three years and saw the ways in which He loved them.  “Jesus was able to ask for that kind of commitment only after demonstrating his love for them and earning their trust.”  Unlike sinful man, Jesus the Christ does not need to <em>earn</em> anything before He speaks Truth to anyone.  Warren puts too much emphasis on the lost person rather than on the Gospel. </p>
<p>In chapter 8, Warren tells us “There are ten areas you must consider as you begin to reshape your church into a purpose-driven church.”  Where in Scripture are pastors advised to “reshape” the churches they shepherd?  He says he cautions other churches to <em>not</em> clone Saddleback, yet lists 10 mandatory “principles”, 5 purposes, and his own “circles of influence” that these churches must embrace.  “Notice that I suggest you grow your church from the outside in, rather than from the inside out.”  Read the book of Acts – the church was made up of saints and disciples who were sent out into the cities, the reverse of what Pastor Rick suggests.  “The problem I have found with an ‘inside-out’ approach is that by the time the church planter has ‘discipled’ his core, they have often lost contact with the community and are actually afraid of interacting with the unchurched.”  This is another indication that Pastor Rick knows very little of Biblical discipleship, but at least gives credit for this backwards idea where it is due – false apostle C. Peter Wagner!</p>
<p>On page 139, we find out that the first year of Saddleback, when ostensibly everyone was lost except (?) Pastor Rick, he “preached very simple, straightforward evangelistic series such as ‘Good News About Common Problems’ and ‘God’s Plan for Your Life.’”  There are pop-psychology messages with a Bible flavor – not evangelistic, or Gospel, presentations.  How can he say that “most of them (the 200 attenders) were brand new believers.” considering his messages?  God’s Word shows the error of this approach: “<em>Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man&#8217;s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.  <strong>But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.</strong></em>”  1 Corinthians 2:12 – 14</p>
<p>In a highlight box on page 156, we are admonished, “Never criticize any method that God is blessing!”  Yet all the criteria Warren urges us to use are that which the eye can see, and ignores the Biblical command to “<em>test all things, hold on to that which is good</em>” (1 Thessalonians 5:21), with “good” being in accordance with God’s view.  On page 157 we are urged to use market research to determine “when, where, and how” evangelism should be pursued and on page 158 tells us a church “driven by market forces rather than the Word of God” will be “unstable and unbiblical.”  One page is wrong, one is right. </p>
<p>Page 160, Warren continues in his study of man as first priority: “I must pay as much attention to the geography, customs, culture, and religious background of my community as I do to those who live in Bible times if I am to faithfully communicate God’s Word.”  The Word of God cannot be understood or communicated unless one seeks to know the literal, grammatical, and historical context of the text.  Nobody in scripture paid that much attention to the spiritually dead people they encountered.  They proclaimed the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus and commended men to believe on Him!</p>
<p>Pastor Rick advises us to tailor the presentation based on the worldly concerns our “crowd” is perceived as having – resulting in a false gospel that might as well be delivered by Joel Osteen.  By telling lost folks how God can make their marriage better, we teach people to look to the Lord for temporal rewards that satisfy our flesh.  But in truth, lost people need to know they are dead in sin, convicted by the Law, so they might realize their deepest need and cry out to the Lamb of God for mercy.  If “god” makes their life more comfortable and they are not confronted with their rebellion against the Holy Creator God, we have made their path to hell all the more pleasant – heaping judgment on ourselves (James 3:1).</p>
<p>Opening up chapter 10, page 173, Warren declares, “Even a casual reading of the New Testament will show that the Gospel spread primarily through relationships.”  Relationships are important, but the Gospel was and is spread through the <em>preaching</em> of it – mostly to people the preacher knows only superficially.  In the next page, we are told, “The people your church is most likely to reach are those who match the existing culture of your church.”  This is true if you do not make disciples and send them out into the world to proclaim the Gospel to all tongues and nations.  The church is not intended to be a reflection of the culture – it is, by definition, counter culture and intended to make a difference in the world.  Warren’s advice is for the church to be conformed to patterns of the world, contrary to Romans 12:1 – 2.</p>
<p>Pastor Rick reinforces this un-Biblical nonsense on pages 188 – 189, where we are told to think like lost people.  This is Warren’s interpretation of the scriptural mandate to “understand the times”?  He shows a shallow view of the Lord: “Jesus <em>often</em> knew what unbelievers were thinking.  He was effective in dealing with people because he understood and was able to defuse the mental barriers they held.”  (emphasis mine)  We are to believe that Jesus sometimes did not know what people were thinking – a limited God.  Warren tells us Christ relied on popular psychological theory in order to effectively deal with His creatures.  And we are once again told, “We must learn to think like unbelievers in order to win them. … “The problem is, the longer you are a believer, the less you think like an unbeliever.”  The Bible tell us the old man is dead – we have been re-born as children of God and are now “a peculiar people”; that we are to be salt and light; that lost folk love darkness because their deeds are dark; and that we are not to hide our light under a bushel.  Pastor Rick thinks the church exists to be valued by pagans!  Paul gives a different prescription in 2 Corinthians 4:3 – 6: “<em>But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus&#8217; sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.</em>”</p>
<p>You can read many objections from Rick Warren anytime someone publicly associates him with Robert Schuller.  But again, on page 190, Warren shows us how big an impact Schuller had on him.  It should not be a surprise that so many of Schuller’s people pleasing ways are embraced and endorsed by Warren.  Near the bottom of Page 191, this pearl: “The unchurched aren’t asking for watered-down messages, just practical ones.  They want to hear something on Sunday that they can apply on Monday.”  Warren’s idea of church is to help lost folks have a better life, according to the world’s standard.  The Creator’s idea of church is for the saints to come together for worship, discipleship, fellowship, and be sent into the world proclaiming the life, death, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus.  And yes, we welcome lost people into the church – we simply don’t expect them to be comfortable there.  They should be confronted with the Word of God and their sinful nature.</p>
<p>Warren’s own “tale of success” in the early days of Saddleback tells the sad truth in what is left unsaid.  He defined Saddleback as “a church for the unchurched”, and he attracted many of them, summing up with, “You have to decide who you want to impress.”  Warren wants to impress lost folk – his charge, however, is to honor God.  On page 195: “This is the heart of Saddleback’s evangelism strategy: We must be willing to catch fish on their own terms.”  Fish don’t want to be caught!  And lost men do not seek after God.  His Word doesn’t tell us to be on the same wavelength as lost men, He tells us to be fishers <em>of</em> men – different from them, with a mission they cannot understand.  Warren tells us (page 197) that he has determined that Jesus had no “standard approach” in evangelism.  He is talking about “style points”, not content or motive.  I am convinced that a careful reading of the New Testament shows that Jesus did have a “standard approach.  Evangelist Ray Comfort sums it up thusly – “With the Law we break the proud heart; with the gospel we heal the broken heart.”  And, “If we care about the lost, we will not hesitate to speak to them about sin, righteousness, and judgment … the way Jesus did.”  In Mark 10:17 – 22, the Lord used the law to expose the rich man as idolater, in John 5:45 – 47, Jesus confronts the Jews with the accusation of the Law of Moses.  In John 4:4 – 26 the Lord seeks out the woman at the well and uses the law to gently confront her with her sin – violating the 7<sup>th</sup> commandment.</p>
<p>On page 219, Pastor Rick says, “Jesus often established a beachhead for evangelism in a person’s life by meeting a felt need.”  And he cites not one example &#8211; because there are none.  Dr. Luke records this encounter with the “crowd”: “<em>And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them<strong>, If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.</strong>  And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.</em>”  (Luke 14:25 – 27)  The Apostle John recorded this encounter (John 6:24 – 27):  “<em>When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.  And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?  Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, <strong>Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.</strong>  Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.</em>”  And in verses 52 – 61: ”<em>The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.  Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.  As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.  This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.  These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.  Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?  <strong>When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?</strong></em><strong>” </strong> Culminating in verses 65 &#38; 66: “<em>And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. <strong> From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.</strong></em>”</p>
<p>Jesus doesn’t sound like Rick Warren.  To Whom shall we listen?</p>
<p>Ever the pragmatist, Warren tells us (page 224) that a passage in Luke 4 is all about Jesus “meeting needs and healing hurts.”  Jesus used that well known passage from Isaiah to establish His claim as Messiah, not “meet needs or heal hurts”.  On page 230, he beats the same drum: “The unchurched are not asking that we change the message or even dilute it, only that we show its relevance. …  I’ve found that the unchurched in America are very interested in Bible doctrine when it is applied in practical and relevant ways to their lives.”  What I’ve observed is that lost folks – whether they be “churched” or “unchurched” – want their ears tickled.  They want to be told that God loves them and wants them to be healthy and wealthy – things that are “practical and relevant”.  This is why prosperity gospel pimps such as T.D. Jakes and Joel Osteen can fill up stadiums!  The Word of God tells us to preach the simple Truth and not work to earn the approval of men.  Lost folk do not need motivational messages on how to “live large with Jesus” – they need to repent and be saved.</p>
<p>Warren thinks (page 232) that the major purpose of Christ’s parables was to entertain folk and ensure they would remember His story.  But in Matthew 15, Mark 4, Mark 7, Luke 8, John 10 and other passages, His very own disciples failed to understand the parable and sought an explanation.  And while Pastor Rick cites Matthew 13:34, he did so as a proof-text, as verse 35 makes clear: He spoke in parables to fulfill scripture, not to satisfy the felt needs of unchurched Harry.  But if His purpose was as Warren claims, why did so many people need – and still need – an explanation of them?  To close this question, the Lord Himself gives us the answer in Matthew 13:10 – 13 (<strong><em>And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?  He answered and said unto them, Because</em></strong><em> <strong>it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. </strong> For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.  Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.</em>)  And Luke 8:9 – 10 (<em>And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?  And he said, <strong>Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand</strong>.</em>)</p>
<p>On page 241, “America’s Pastor” tells us “More people are won to Christ by <em>feeling God’s presence</em> than by all our apologetic arguments combined.”  This is a false argument: apologetics is not what wins people to Christ – the Gospel does that.  It is by preaching the Word of the Lord that people are saved – not by feeling anything.  He ascribes the salvation of the 3,000 people recorded in Acts 2 to their having felt God’s presence.  But the Bible makes it clear that the Spirit of God empowered Peter and it was the Word of God proclaimed by Peter that caused the response.  Read Acts 2:1 – 36 to see the set-up and the message of Christ crucified.  Then in verses 37 &#8211; 41: “<em>Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?  Then <strong>Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins</strong>, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.  And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.  <strong>Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.</strong></em>”</p>
<p>Do you perceive these people were saved by having “felt God’s presence” or by the Word of God piercing their sinful hearts?</p>
<p>Page 243, Warren joins countless seeker sensitive fans by misappropriating 1 Corinthians 14:23.  Paul’s main argument was not to restrict the use of tongues so lost people wouldn’t think them foolish – this is a final argument in Paul’s long, passionate discourse against the improper use of this spiritual gift.  His main point was to encourage the saints to speak in a known tongue so others in the church could understand them.  It’s almost “and by the way, don’t you see how a heathen who might wander in here could think you mad?”  It was not normative in the early church for lost people to fill up the meeting place.  The church was of and for believers.</p>
<p>On pages 244 and 245 Warren furthers his humanistic view that unchurched people ought to have their felt needs addressed from the pulpit.  He again tells us these unchurched “expect to hear the Bible when they come to church.”  How would such a person know what to expect from the Word of God?  Go back to 1 Corinthians 2:12 – 14.  Pastor Rick tells us “They are looking for solutions, not a scolding.”  The problem for Rick and other seeker sensitive pastors is that unless a lost person is confronted with his condition (being dead is sin) he will not see any value in the Lamb of God.  The Gospel is not a scolding – but neither is it offering solutions to life’s circumstantial problems.  Warren instructs, “Design one worship service to edify believers and another service to evangelize the unchurched friends brought by your members.”  He then describes how he has marginalized the Saints by devoting weekends at Saddleback to lost folks.  We can readily surmise that Saddleback is a church on Wednesday evenings, but not on Saturdays or Sundays.</p>
<p>In chapter 14 – Designing a Seeker-Sensitive Service, Warren once again relies on and recommends a false prophet to make his point – citing “Apostle” Peter Wagner on page 267:  “When you run out of space, you experience what Pete Wagner calls ‘sociological strangulation’.”  But many churches have experienced true fellowship and spiritual growth while struggling with the logistical constraints of what experts see as too little space.  My wife heard a pastor in such a situation say, “Some pastors think you need 200 square feet per person.  We have 200 people per square feet!”  And he was praising God – not complaining about being “sociologically strangled.”</p>
<p>On to chapter 16 – Preaching to the Unchurched, Pastor Rick says, “The common ground we have with unbelievers is not the Bible, but our common needs, hurts, and interests as human beings.”  This is fine guidance on how to start a fraternal organization, such as a Rotary Club – the Bible tells us that unbelievers’ greatest need is salvation.  That we saints share some of the same sinful “habits and hang-ups” as the “unchurched” can be an encouragement to the lost, as we teach them that <em>all</em> are unworthy apart from Christ.  Nowhere in this chapter does Pastor Rick advise the use of the law to convict people of their sin; he only wants the lost folk to know they are valuable and loved, etc.  They may well go to hell thinking this, having never been convicted of sin or saved by grace.  Good feelings save nobody.</p>
<p>On page 312, Warren poses a handful of questions that unchurched people want answered before they are willing to join the church:</p>
<ul>
<li>Do I fit here?</li>
<li>Does anybody want to know me?</li>
<li>Am I needed?</li>
<li>What is the advantage of joining?</li>
<li>What is required of members?</li>
</ul>
<p>Rick shows us, once again, that his focus is on growing the “church” by answering the “felt needs” of the flesh – not following the Biblical mandate on how to lead a flock of believers.  He is building a social fraternity and calling it “church”.</p>
<p>In chapter 16 – Turning Members into Ministers, Warren mixes some solid Biblical instruction with a humanistic, Jungian psychological matrix appraisal of people – his five SHAPE factors.  A detailed comparison of Warren’s SHAPE to Jungian psychology and God’s Word can be found at the end of this review.</p>
<p>Page 384, Warren again confirms he sees man as more important than does our Creator: “The most critical factor in a new ministry isn’t the <em>idea</em>, but the <em>leadership</em>.”  Jesus, the most important human ever, said this about Himself vs. the message (or idea): “<em>When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that <strong>I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things</strong>.</em>  (John 8:28)”, “<em>but I have called you friends; for <strong>all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you</strong>.  Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you,</em> (John 15:15b – 16a).”  The Bible tells us the main thing is the message, not the messenger.</p>
<p>Lastly, page 395 – “Purpose-driven churches are led by purpose-driven leaders.”  Although I care nothing for Warren’s penchant for using “purpose-driven”, leave it aside.  Consider this – Churches are led by leaders.  Now consider the Words of the One Who “wrote the Book” on “how to do church”:  “<em>Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.</em></p>
<p><em>And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.”</em>  (2 Timothy 2:1 – 2)  And recall the Words of Jesus, above – He spoke and worked only what His Father told Him.  <strong>The only leadership is from God and the truly effective pastor will be purposeful and Spirit led.</strong></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Quotes from Schuller – or is it Rick Warren?</span></p>
<p>Rick Warren denies virtually every connection and influence with or of Robert Schuller.  But judge for yourself – read a few choice quotes from Schuller and see if Warren’s teaching doesn’t line up near perfectly.  Read more at <a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac23.htm">http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac23.htm</a></p>
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<p><strong>&#8220;Yes, here is a theology for church growth.  Here is a theology for success, for the secret of success is to find a need and fill it.  Truly, when the church reforms and refines all of its theological expressions around every person&#8217;s daily need for self-affirmation, it shall flourish &#8216;like trees planted by rivers of water.&#8217;&#8221;  (Robert Schuller, &#8220;Self-Esteem: the New Reformation,&#8221; page 175)</strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;People who have studied our work and read our materials have said that historically we are not like other churches.  Denominations and religions started with teaching a theology about God.  Whenever there was disagreement with each other about a certain detail, the result was to establish a new religion or branch thereof, so today there are many different denominations and lots of different religions.  When I started this ministry, I chose to focus on human need and said, </strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Let&#8217;s ask what a human being really is?  What does he need?&#8221;  And is there a God who can provide for those needs and what kind of God does he need?  So we started talking about the needs in humanity and we defined the single deepest need of the human being.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p><strong>(Robert Schuller, &#8220;Mirror or Window People: Which Are You?”  August 2, 2004)</strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Classical theology has erred in its insistence that theology be &#8216;God-centered,&#8217; not &#8216;man-centered&#8217;.&#8221;  (Robert Schuller, &#8220;Self-Esteem: the New Reformation,&#8221; page 64) </strong></p>
<p>&#8220;The classical error of historical Christianity is that we have never started with the value of the person.  Rather, we have started from the &#8216;unworthiness of the sinner,&#8217; and that starting point has set the stage for the glorification of human shame in Christian theology.&#8221;  (Robert Schuller, &#8220;Self-Esteem: the New Reformation,&#8221; page 162)</p>
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<h1>THEIR CONNECTION ON PERSONALITY THEORY</h1>
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<td width="32%" valign="top">“When you minister in a manner consistent with the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">personality</span> God gave you, you experience <span style="text-decoration:underline;">fulfillment</span>, satisfaction, and fruitfulness.” (The Purpose Driven Life, p. 246)“…when you are forced to minister in a manner that is “out of character” for your <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperament</span>, it creates tension and discomfort, requires extra effort and energy, and produces less than the best results. This is why mimicking someone else’s ministry never works. You don’t have <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">their</span></em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> personality</span>.” (PDL, p. 245)</td>
<td width="32%" valign="top">“…the ultimate aim and strongest desire of all mankind is to develop that <span style="text-decoration:underline;">fulness</span> (sic) of life which is called <span style="text-decoration:underline;">personality</span>… To the extent that a man is untrue to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">the law of his being</span> and does not rise to personality, he has failed to realize his <span style="text-decoration:underline;">life’s meaning</span>.” (The Development of Personality, Collected Works 17; from The Essential Jung, pg. 191, 207)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">There is absolutely no biblical precedent for this position. Personality typology has <em>never</em> been a criteria for God choosing someone for ministry, but is in great part grounded in Jungian psychology. Did Paul rely on personality assessment to guide his ministry? Hardly&#8230;</p>
<p>“God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised, God has chosen, the things that are not, that He might nullify the things that are, that no man should boast before God.” 1 Cor 1:27-29</p>
<p>“And He has said to me, ‘My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.’ Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ&#8217;s sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.” 2 Cor 12:9-10</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>THEIR CONNECTION ON A MUTUAL BELIEF IN THE &#8220;UNCONSCIOUS&#8221;</strong></div>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“You may be driven by a painful memory, a haunting fear, or an <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> belief.” (PDL, p. 27)“(Guilt-driven people) often <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconsciously</span> punish themselves by sabotaging their own success.” (PDL, pp. 27-28)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“The <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> . . . is the source of the instinctual forces of the psyche and of the forms or categories that regulate them, namely the archetypes.” (The Structure of the Psyche, CW 8, par. 342)“Constant observation pays the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> a tribute that more or less guarantees its cooperation. One of the most important tasks of psychic hygiene [is] to pay continual attention to the symptomatology of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> contents and processes.” (The Portable Jung, New York: Penguin Books, 1986, p. 156)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">The “unconscious” is the foundational concept of both Freudian and Jungian psychology, and has no biblical basis whatsoever. In fact, Scripture does not allow for the idea that people are “driven” by an “unconscious belief.” By endorsing the idea of the unconscious, Warren is promoting the Jungian belief that people must analyze the forces of the unconscious to discover their life’s purpose. According to Scripture, any driving force outside of God’s will is sin, no matter where it resides. Psychology, however, downplays our personal accountability for sin by making the “unconscious” the ultimate reservoir and bastion of unavoidable human instinct.</p>
<p>“And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: <span style="text-decoration:underline;">for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.</span>” Romans 14:23</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>THEIR CONNECTION ON UNCONSCIOUS METAPHORS &#38; IMAGES</strong></p>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“If I asked how you picture life, what image<em> </em>would come to your mind? That <span style="text-decoration:underline;">image</span> is your <span style="text-decoration:underline;">life metaphor</span>. It’s the view of life that you hold, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">consciously or</span> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconsciously</span>, in your mind.” (PDL, pp. 41-42)“Your <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unspoken life metaphor</span> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">influences</span> your life more than you realize. It <span style="text-decoration:underline;">determines</span> your expectations, your values, your relationships, your goals, and your priorities.” (PDL, p. 42)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“An archetypal content expresses itself, first and foremost, in <span style="text-decoration:underline;">metaphors</span>.” (“The Psychology of the Child Archetype,” CW 9i, par. 267)Archetypes are not inborn ideas, but “typical forms of behaviour which, once they become <span style="text-decoration:underline;">conscious</span>, naturally present themselves as <span style="text-decoration:underline;">ideas</span> and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">images</span>, like everything else that becomes a content of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">consciousness</span>.” (Collected Works 8, par. 435)</p>
<p>“Indeed, the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">fate of the individual</span> is largely dependent on <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious factors</span>.” (“Conscious, Unconscious, and Individuation” CW 9)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">The analysis of “metaphors” housed in the unconscious is a trademark concept of psychology, not of Scripture. The use of images, fantasies, and dreams to better understand our “unconscious” is a signature feature of Jungian psychotherapy that borders on the occult.</td>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“God made <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverts</span></em> and <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">extroverts</span></em>… He made some people <em>‘<span style="text-decoration:underline;">thinkers</span>’ </em>and others <em>‘<span style="text-decoration:underline;">feelers</span>.’” </em>(PDL, p. 245)“Your personality will affect <em>how</em> and <em>where</em> you use your spiritual gifts and abilities. For instance, two people may have the same gift of evangelism, but if one is <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> and other is <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extroverted</span>, that gift will be expressed in different ways.” (PDL, p. 245)</p>
<p>“Ask yourself questions:… Am I more <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> or <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extroverted</span>? Am I more a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">thinker</span> or a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">feeler</span>?” (PDL, pp.251-252)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“Two types (of typical differences in human psychology) especially become clear to me; I have termed them the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> and the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extraverted</span> types.” (“Introduction” Psychological Types, CW 6 par. 1)“I have found from experience that the basic psychological functions, this is, functions which are genuinely as well as essentially different from other functions, prove to be <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">thinking</span>, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">feeling</span>, sensation</em>, and <em>intuition</em>. If one of these functions habitually predominates, a corresponding type results. I therefore distinguish a thinking, a feeling, a sensation, and an intuitive type. <em>Each of these types may moreover be either <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> or <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extraverted</span>…</em>” (“Introduction” Psychological Types, CW 6)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Warren is explicitly using the specific terminology of the psychological typology theory originally conceived by Carl Jung. Despite the claims of his supporters, Warren has clearly based his Personality Theory (the &#8220;P&#8221; in his SHAPE teaching) on the unbiblical foundation of Jungian psychology.“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” Colossians 2:8</p>
<p>“Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.” 1 Cor 2:12-13</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>THEIR CONNECTION ON THE FOUR TEMPERAMENTS</strong></p>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“The Bible gives us plenty of proof that God uses all types of personalities. Peter was a <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">sanguine</span></em>. Paul was a <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">choleric</span></em>. Jeremiah was a <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">melancholy</span></em>. When you look at the personality differences in the twelve disciples, it’s easy to see why they sometimes had interpersonal conflict.” (PDL, p. 245)“There is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperament</span><em> </em>for ministry.” (PDL, p. 245)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“…the physicians of ancient times…tried to reduce the bewildering diversity of mankind to orderly groups… The very names of the Galenic <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperaments</span> betray their origin in the pathology of the four “humours.” <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Melancholic</span></em> denotes a preponderance of black bile, <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">phlegmatic</span></em> a preponderance of phlegm or mucus, <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">sanguine</span></em> a preponderance of blood, and <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">choleric</span></em> a preponderance of choler, or yellow bile.” (“Psychological Typology” CW 6)“The whole make-up of the body, its constitution in the broadest sense, has in fact a very great deal to do with psychological <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperament</span>…” (“Psychological Typology” CW 6)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Despite Warren’s claim, the Bible never gives “proof” of the classification of personalities; it is a purely pagan concoction. The four temperaments, as conceived by Hippocrates and later developed by Galen, was a prevalent Greek philosophy during the time of Paul’s apostolic ministry. Unlike Warren and Jung, however, Paul did not implement these Greeks ideas into his teachings. In fact, he categorically rejected them and “determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified” (I Cor 2:2).“O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:” I Timothy 6:20</p>
<p>Worse yet, Warren is teaching that a person’s “no right or wrong” personality is somehow unaffected by the fall and is always beneficial for ministry. How, we ask, does a “phlegmatic temperament” towards laziness and slothfulness serve God’s purpose in ministry?</td>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“Today there are many books and tools that can help you understand your personality so you can determine how to use it for God.” (PDL, p. 246)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">MBTI is “based on Jung’s theory of psychological types.” (Isabel Briggs Myers, Introduction to Type, Palo Alto, CA: Consulting Psychologists Press, 1983, p.4)“The (MBTI) Indicator was developed specifically to carry Carl Jung’s theory of type (Jung, 1921, 1971) into practical application.” (Dr. Gordon Lawrence, People Types &#38; Tiger Stripes, p. 6, also p. x)</p>
<p>“Carl Jung’s psychology lies behind&#8230;the MBTI.” (Robert Innes, Personality Indicators and The Spiritual Life, p.8)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Without qualifying this statement, Warren is promoting any and all Jungian personality and temperament tests and theories, including the widely-used Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI), the Kiersey Temperament Sorter (an offshoot of the MBTI), and the Enneagram Test, which has its origin in Sufism, a mystical offshoot of Islam. (Click <a href="http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/web/crj0146a.html" target="_blank">here</a> for more information on Enneagram).Despite the contrary advice offered by Warren, Christians must acknowledge the Bible as the only book needed to understand the human condition:</p>
<p>“For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” Hebrews 4:12</p>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“Every behavior is motivated by a belief, and every action is prompted by an attitude. God revealed this thousands of years <span style="text-decoration:underline;">before psychologists understood it</span>.” (PDL, p. 181)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“(Unconscious phenomena) manifest themselves in the individual’s behaviour… ” (“Conscious, Unconscious, and Individuation” CW 9)“Modern psychological development leads to a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">much better understanding</span> as to what man really consists of.” (“Psychology and Religion” CW 11)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Warren is suggesting here that psychologists have the same understanding as God on the issue of human behavior, thus putting man’s “wisdom” on equal footing with God’s revelation.If Warren truly believes in the preeminence of God’s revelation to understand man, then why does he rely so heavily on the “useless wisdom” of psychology instead of Scripture?</p>
<p>“For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, ‘He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS‘; and again, ‘THE LORD KNOWS THE REASONINGS of the wise, THAT THEY ARE USELESS.’” I Cor 3:19-20</td>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“The best use of your life is to serve God out of your shape. To do this you <span style="text-decoration:underline;">must discover your shape</span>, learn to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">accept</span> and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">enjoy</span> it, and then <span style="text-decoration:underline;">develop it</span> to its fullest potential.” (PDL, p. 249)The SHAPE program states: “To <span style="text-decoration:underline;">discover your S.H.A.P.E.</span> is to discover where God is calling you to do His work in the world.”</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“Only the man who can <span style="text-decoration:underline;">consciously assent to the power of the inner voice</span> becomes a personality.” (“The Development of Personality” CW 17)“The <span style="text-decoration:underline;">achievement of personality</span> means nothing less than the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">optimum development</span> of the whole individual human being.” (“The Development of Personality” CW 17)</p>
<p>“In so far as every individual has the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">law of his life</span> inborn in him, it is theoretically possible for any man to follow this law and to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">become a personality</span>, this is, to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">achieve wholeness</span>.” (“The Development of Personality” CW 17)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Finding your SHAPE has no biblical support. Warren’s teaching that one must “discover his shape” is philosophically and systematically akin to Jung’s teaching that a man must “consciously assent to the power of the inner voice” and be true to “the law of his being.”While Warren has rightly acknowledged God’s sovereign purpose in creating us, he has mistakenly made God’s divine purpose synonymous with our so-called “shape” by advocating the Jungian idea of developing the personality to “achieve wholeness.” This Jungian process, however, does not serve God, but serves the god within us.</p>
<p>Scripture calls for an active, heartfelt obedience to God’s will through the transforming power of the Spirit, not a misguided exploration of our natural psychological makeup to define our God-given purpose.</p>
<p>“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.” Proverbs 3:5-6</p>
<p>“…your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.” 1 Cor 2:5</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>CONCLUSION: THIS IS NOT SIMPLY &#8220;GUILT BY ASSOCIATION&#8221;</strong></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>yesterday i rode the train into cape town by myself. on the way back the train was very crowded, and i spent the 45 minute journey making faces at the little boy beside me.  as i sat there, the only white person in the train car, it was so evident to me.</p>
<p>this, is what i want my life to be.</p>
<p>i love this place of</p>
<p>questions</p>
<p>hope</p>
<p>adventure</p>
<p>beauty</p>
<p>joy</p>
<p>difference</p>
<p>learning</p>
<p>and love.</p>
<p>i may have written something to this effect before, but it was really on my heart to write it again.</p>
<p>then this morning i went for a walk to kalk bay.  as i listened to the waves crashing, the cars going by, the wind blowing in from antarctica, and people&#8217;s voices traveling in the breeze, i had to smile.</p>
<p>and i smiled hugely.</p>
<p>my smile was so big that my cheeks started to hurt, the muscles even felt a little cramped.  so i tried to push at my cheeks to make it go away.</p>
<p>it wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>then as i passed people going the other way, i was aware that it is not always a good idea to smile giddy-ly at the people passing by. it can sometimes be taken the wrong way&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />   so i tried to think of things to make me sad, or at least more blah, and once again</p>
<p>nothing.</p>
<p>so i ended up just smiling and saying good morning very cheerily to everyone who passed.  i even slipped into a bit of a south african accent on one of them.  this may have tricked the person i said it to, for they proceeded to ask me for directions. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  and they were south african, and i even knew where the place was that they were looking for.</p>
<p>made my day even more.</p>
<p>here are two quotes that i found this morning that i think perfectly describe this peace&#8230;</p>
<p>the peace that lies within me is one of eternal pain but surpassing faith in God&#8217;s ultimate desire to shower mercy in the heaviest and most broken places &#8211; jenna lee</p>
<p>you can&#8217;t be connected with God until you&#8217;re at peace with who you are. if you&#8217;re still upset that God gave you this body or this life or this family or these circumstances, you will never be able to connect with God in a healthy, thriving, sustainable sort of way.  you&#8217;ll be at odds with your maker. and if you can&#8217;t come to terms with who you are and the life you&#8217;ve been given, you&#8217;ll never be able to accept others and how they were made and the lives they&#8217;ve been given. and until you&#8217;re at peace with God and those around you, you will continue to struggle with your role on the planet, your part to play in the ongoing creation of the universe. you will continue to struggle and resist and fail to connect. &#8211; rob bell</p>
<p>there&#8217;s just something</p>
<p>beautiful</p>
<p>wonderful</p>
<p>magical</p>
<p>about this life.</p>
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<link>http://mattdabbs.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/an-interesting-interview-with-rob-bell/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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<guid>http://mattdabbs.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/an-interesting-interview-with-rob-bell/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Thanks to Philip for sending this link. Bell talks about everything from the end of the Nooma series]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Thanks to Philip for sending <a href="http://burnsidewriters.com/2009/11/19/rob-bell-2-0-or-where-are-the-artists/all/1/">this link</a>. Bell talks about everything from the end of the Nooma series, new projects, how he looks at content and saying more with less, the challenges of church leadership, Christians in society and assembly, etc, etc. Whatever you think of Bell, there are some interesting insights in the interview worth reading. Also, if you are unfamiliar with <a href="http://feetwasher.blogspot.com">Philip&#8217;s blog</a>, have a look there too. He does some really good work there.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[The Look Of A Heretic Or How To Spot A Liebral]]></title>
<link>http://donjobson.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/the-look-of-a-heretic-or-how-to-spot-a-liebral/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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<guid>http://donjobson.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/the-look-of-a-heretic-or-how-to-spot-a-liebral/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;ve shown you the look of a discernmentalist. Now we present to you&#8212;with our Absolute ]]></description>
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<p>We&#8217;ve shown you <a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/the-look-of-a-discernmentalist/">the look of a discernmentalist</a>. Now we present to you&#8212;with our Absolute Truthiness&#8212;the look of a <a href="http://athousandtongues.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/cool-hip-heretic-rob-bell/">heretic</a>. Now you will be able to tell when a liebral is in your vicinity trying to corrupt your <a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/komerad-wallis-we-will-bury-you/">Pure Doctrines</a>. Our resident Redneck GOIPer has more to add with his <a href="http://redneckrepublican.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/9-steps-to-identify-liberals/">9 Steps To Identify Liberals</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have already stated that liberals are killing this country, but it is quite hard to tell a liberal from a normal God Loving American. I have developed this simple system to help us weed out the good guys from the bad guys (liberals). I call it my Liberal Identification System (LIS).</p>
<p>1. Minorities. Don’t ask me why, but the vast majority of <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">niggers</span>blacks and <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">chinks</span>asians vote Democrat, and therefore they are making their liberal bias known to the rest of the world. I have talked to them, but these people are just plain stupid! They cannot understand for example the greatness of the war in Iraq, and are focused on WMD rather than the larger plan. So point one in the Liberal Identification System is to write off minorities as liberals. They are really not worth our time. After all, there is a reason that the founding fathers made the White House white.</p>
<p>2. French. French people are probably some of the most arrogant and ungrateful people in the world. They would speaking German right now it it were not for us. And how do they pay us back? They defied Saint Bush in the run up for the Iraqi War. It is unbelievable to me that after 5 years after the war began, they still cannot see the wisdom of the war. French people must be blind or stupid, but either way, one thing is clear, they are liberals.</p>
<p>3. People with accents. I just got back from Europe, and they all tried to speak to me in English. Despite their efforts, their English was HORRIBLE. They really need to practice more if they ever want to get in good with me and other conservatives. Plus you know that God speaks English perfectly. Heck, I don’t even think that God can understand some of these retard Europeans.</p>
<p>When I was in the airports in Europe, I noticed one thing right away. You don’t have to remove your shoes at airport security. These people are clueless. Removing our shoes is like a ritual to fight away terrorists and evil. It is a communion against terrorism. Since we have started removing our shoes at the airport, has there been another 9/11? Case closed. I felt like teaching them the American way, but I knew they would never understand. Why? Because they are all liberals.</p>
<p>4. College Professors. This is a special and perhaps the most dangerous breed of liberals because they are educating our young people. That’s the scary part. They devise these wicked curriculums, and the underlying goal is to get young people to think and use logic undermining key Republican and conservative ideals</p>
<p>Think about this. Many of Saint Bush’s economic advisers come from American universities. And these liberals are piping the same old lies. Our economy is in recession, the dollar is weak, the price of oil is rising, and federal spending is out of control. It makes me laugh. We all know the truth. Our economy is strong, the dollar is strong, price of gas is falling, and Saint Bush’s government is the most frugal in the world. There is only one conclusion to make. College professors are liberals.</p>
<p>5. Charities. Is there any doubt that Bill Gates is a liberal? He quits his day job to give away his money to improve world health. This is such a stupid idea I am not sure where to start. If I had that kind of dough, I would stop working so I could have more time to spend it. I really wish that Gates had called me, because I could have found a lot more fun ways to spend his money.</p>
<p>Worse yet. World health? I have already demonstrated that non Americans are liberals. So why in the world would we want to help them? In a subtle way, Gates is aiding the enemy by helping non Americans. Ultimately, Gates will get his punishment, but either way, charities such as these are chock full of bleeding heart liberals. They are probably the worst kind.</p>
<p>6. Non Christians – God doesn’t like non Christians and God does not like liberals either. Don’t you see that the two go together? God sent down his one and only son to save the world, and these non Christians are choosing to ignore God’s generosity. There is only one place for these people in God’s eyes, and in my eyes too.</p>
<p>7. Immigrants. Just another bunch of free loading poor people that don’t speak English. They want us to treat them as equals. HAHAHA. Fat chance, hermano. You guys need to go back to your disgusting little country, enter legally, get a legal American job, learn English, pay taxes, and maybe just maybe, we will treat you with a certain level of respect. Furthermore, any sign that you also might be a liberal, and your butt is out of here. Got that, Pedro?</p>
<p>8. Writers. What does the liberal media consist of? Writers. Lots of them. I know this is a slippery slope, because not all writers are liberals, but almost all of them are. It is a fair bet that if someone is writing a piece and it is not for Fox News, then they are feeding the liberal media machine. If it were not for the liberal media, our soldiers would be home, and the war of terror would be won. The war of terror is a war of emboldenment, and every slimy piece they write further emboldens the enemy. Remember Abu Ghraib? Of course you do, and so do the terrorist. What about Guantanomo Bay? The liberal media keeps on printing this stuff, and we will never win the war on terror, and our children will never be safe.</p>
<p>9. Hollywood. We have a dilemma as conservatives. I like my action movies as much as the next guy, but the people behind these films are liberals with a capital L. I have actually considered boycotting movies but it just isn’t any fun, even though every time I know that I am putting more money in a liberal’s pocket. Why can’t someone come out with some great movies by conservatives? Enough is enough already.</p>
<p>After having traveled Europe, there is one thing that is clear. The world is full of liberals. So this is just a humble beginning at weeding out the good people from the bad. God’s job is much easier figuring out who does to heaven or hell.</p></blockquote>
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<title><![CDATA[Sex God: Exploring the Endless Connections between Sexuality and Spirituality]]></title>
<link>http://aberrationblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/sex-god-exploring-the-endless-connections-between-sexuality-and-spirituality/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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<guid>http://aberrationblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/sex-god-exploring-the-endless-connections-between-sexuality-and-spirituality/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I completed the book Sex God: Exploring the Endless Connections between Sexuality and Spirituality. ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310280672?ie=UTF8&#38;tag=gene3-20&#38;linkCode=xm2&#38;camp=1789&#38;creativeASIN=0310280672"><img class="alignright" title="Sec God" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31%2Byb0iGzcL._SL500_AA240_.jpg" alt="" width="216" height="216" /></a>I completed the book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310280672?ie=UTF8&#38;amp;tag=gene3-20&#38;amp;linkCode=xm2&#38;amp;camp=1789&#38;amp;creativeASIN=0310280672">Sex God: Exploring the Endless Connections between Sexuality and Spirituality</a>. It&#8217;s by Rob Bell and I think this was his second book. I listened to the audio version. More due to the title, I chose it out of curiosity.</p>
<p>This particular work by Bell didn&#8217;t hold my interest like many of his others did. Part of the problem was that he trailed off onto other topics briefly. One of the many underlying points was God and sex are connected. God&#8217;s unity (Echad) mirrors a relationships unity (Echad). Echad is the Hebrew word that could be translated &#8216;one&#8217; or &#8216;one in a group sense&#8217;, but even then I don&#8217;t think that fully captures the depth of this word.</p>
<p>Of all books I&#8217;ve completed, this is one of the hardest to summarize. While this book doesn&#8217;t skirt the woman/man and submission/giving aspects of scripture, it&#8217;s not written from a Protestant complimentarian perspective. As much as Bell drew on scripture, I think he also draws on some of his trainings in <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">physiology</span> psychology. If you have an interest in this area, this book might be for you. If you are relationship challenged, this book is definitely for you.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Why Many Modern American Evangelicals Don't Like Reformed Baptist Preaching by James White]]></title>
<link>http://davidjosephhorn.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/why-many-modern-american-evangelicals-dont-like-reformed-baptist-preaching-by-james-white/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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<guid>http://davidjosephhorn.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/why-many-modern-american-evangelicals-dont-like-reformed-baptist-preaching-by-james-white/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Why Many Modern American Evangelicals Don&#8217;t Like Reformed Baptist Preaching 11/18/2009 &#8211;]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><h1>Why Many Modern American Evangelicals Don&#8217;t Like Reformed Baptist Preaching</h1>
<p>11/18/2009 &#8211; James White</p>
<p>Humanists with a thin coating of religion won&#8217;t put up with this for long.</p>
<p>&#160;</p>
<p><span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/gub5uaiT3fo&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' /><param name='allowfullscreen' value='true' /><param name='wmode' value='transparent' /><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/gub5uaiT3fo&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' allowfullscreen='true' width='425' height='350' wmode='transparent'></embed></object></span></p>
<p>Reformed Baptist Churches tend to be between 50 and 350 congregants in size, generally. Here is a contrast. A &#8220;church&#8221; with 16,000 in attendance. Listen to the message.</p>
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While I did not add the text to this video, the final verse provided says it all.</p>
<p>07:39:44 &#8211; Category: <a href="http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?catid=17">Reformed Baptist Issues</a> &#8211; <a href="http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3630">Link to this article</a> -</p>
<p>This blog was copied from <a href="http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3630">http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3630</a></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Flame - Rob Bell]]></title>
<link>http://stmarkqt.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/flame-rob-bell/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>stmarkqt</dc:creator>
<guid>http://stmarkqt.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/flame-rob-bell/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[The three kinds of love. Don&#8217;t settle for less than all. ♥ God bless. Marina]]></description>
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<p><span style="color:#096899;"><strong>The three kinds of love. Don&#8217;t settle for less than all. ♥</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#096899;"><strong>God bless.</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#096899;"><strong>Marina</strong></span></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Hunger &amp; Thirst]]></title>
<link>http://jamiedflm.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/hunger-thirst/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>jamiedflm</dc:creator>
<guid>http://jamiedflm.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/hunger-thirst/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I recently went to a conference in St. Louis that was all about Servant Events. It was a really grea]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>I recently went to a conference in St. Louis that was all about Servant Events. It was a really great conference and I met a lot of really cool people. I shared a room with my friend Jasmine and we were up late one night talking with this guy who we met at the conference, his name was Kyle. We were sitting outside talking and he asked us, &#8220;where do want to go in your life? like what is your desire for your life?&#8221; And I thought about it for a while.<br />
People have always told me I&#8217;m great at the behind the scenes stuff. And I love doing that stuff&#8211;it&#8217;s great! I get so much joy from it. So I always thought, I&#8217;d love to be the person who organizes conferences and youth gatherings&#8211;i&#8217;d love that. But the most I thought about it, I realized that&#8217;s not really what I desire&#8211;it&#8217;s just what I&#8217;m good at.<br />
I began talking about just wanting to pour myself out onto a ministry, or a family, or a person. I see the pain and hurt in the world around me&#8212;in myself&#8212;and I want to meet people where they are and share God&#8217;s love with them. Not by just telling them, but by showing them compassion and love. It doesn&#8217;t matter to me what job I have, all I have is this hunger and thirst to do something&#8230;you know?<br />
And then today, I was listening to the Podcast from Mars Hill &#8211;where Rob Bell is the Pastor. I was listening to his sermon about the sermon on the mount when Jesus says, &#8220;Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.&#8221; (Matt. 5:6)<br />
Rob talked about how Jesus wasn&#8217;t saying, &#8220;blessed are you when you got it figured out and you have lived a perfect life.&#8221; Jesus was saying, &#8220;Blessed are you when you don&#8217;t have it figured out. I won&#8217;t wait for you to get it together, I will join you and bless you in the tension.&#8221; Rob said that Jesus blesses the absence, not the achievement, the longing, not the action, the desire, not the doing.<br />
Now of course, I believe that God blesses the action and the longing both. But I think that we sometimes get so wrapped up in needing to figure out the tension, the hunger and the thirst&#8211;that we forget, that God blesses us in that moment.<br />
I long to pour myself onto others. We are told as church workers to keep boundaries and not to get too involved in people&#8217;s pain. I say forget that! If God meets me in my pain and feels it with me, for me to be like Christ, would be to meet people in their pain. I want to serve and allow people to meet a God who loves us just how we are and yet still refuses to let us stay that way.</p>
<p>And who knows where I&#8217;ll be later in my life or what i&#8217;ll be doing, but i&#8217;m okay with that. I hunger and thirst for more and I know that God blesses me and that He will guide me where I need to go.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[An Expose of Emerging Church Preaching, Part 1]]></title>
<link>http://drtimwhite.com/2009/11/16/an-expose-of-emerging-church-preaching-part-1/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>whitet</dc:creator>
<guid>http://drtimwhite.com/2009/11/16/an-expose-of-emerging-church-preaching-part-1/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[In the following posts, I want to explore the current doctrinal and practical impact of the emerging]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Did You Hear That?]]></title>
<link>http://rootsandrings.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/did-you-hear-that/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Chelsea Hurst</dc:creator>
<guid>http://rootsandrings.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/did-you-hear-that/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m not totally sure where this post is going&#8230; so be patient with me. We&#8217;ll go som]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>I&#8217;m not totally sure where this post is going&#8230; so be patient with me. We&#8217;ll go somewhere and I think I have a point, just not sure if I&#8217;ll find the point along the way.</p>
<p>You know the game Telephone? Where there is a line of people and the first person comes up with a message and whispers it to the person next to them. They whisper it to the person next to them. And so on, until you get to the end and the last person announces the message. Somehow the sentence &#8220;Look at those beautiful blue skies by the sea&#8221; turns into &#8220;The cat throws beautiful poop pies on Chelsea.&#8221; If you are like me and grew up going to church camps, you probably played that game and then got a message about how gossip is similar. You may tell someone something but then they could pass it on and somehow it ends up being something totally different that could hurt someone. (Let&#8217;s not have the discussion about the true reason gossip is wrong- it really has nothing to do with the fact that your message might be misheard and told improperly. But that&#8217;s not my point today.)</p>
<p>I think telephone is a funny game. It&#8217;s always entertaining to hear how it&#8217;ll turn out. But what&#8217;s even more fascinating is when multiple people can listen to the exact same thing, but hear something completely different.</p>
<p>I was at a meeting last week at church. Someone asked me how Stephen was doing so I started giving my update. One of the men in the room hadn&#8217;t heard the story so I gave a quick recap. &#8220;Well Stephen was in an ATV accident and beat up his face pretty good.&#8221; Another man in the room said, &#8220;OHHHHHH!! An <em>ATV</em> accident!&#8221; I looked at him and said, &#8220;Yeah, an ATV accident.&#8221; And he laughed a bit and said, &#8220;I thought he was in an <em>HEB</em> accident!! I wasn&#8217;t sure what happened and I was scared to ask. An unruly cart or something like that? I just couldn&#8217;t figure it out.&#8221; (For those of you who don&#8217;t live in Texas, HEB is a grocery store.) Hilarious.</p>
<p>This weekend I went to the Women of Faith conference at the Toyota Center. I have been to my fair share of conferences throughout my life but I wasn&#8217;t quite sure what to expect from this one. I was excited nevertheless. I was going with a big group of women from my church. A friend of my mom&#8217;s came in town for the weekend so I was going to get to spend time with her. Another bonus &#8211; Lauren and her mom met us there. So after work on Friday, I headed downtown to find the hotel. I wasn&#8217;t nervous about my drive into &#8220;the city&#8221; but soon realized that I was arriving a few minutes after 5:00. Not fun. Not fun at all. I only had to do one U-Turn and cut off one person to get to my location though. I think that&#8217;s a win.</p>
<p>We walked to a nearby restaurant to grab a quick dinner before the 7:00 session started. It seemed to be a neat place except for the man at the table next to us that didn&#8217;t understand that he wasn&#8217;t actually part of our conversation. I almost turned into a 3rd grader and said, &#8220;This conversation is between A and B, so C your way out of it.&#8221; Yes, I know. We should have been Christ to him and loved him. We tried. But when he kept staring at me (like super creepy stare) and smiled and said, &#8220;Cat got your tongue?&#8221; all of my friendliness vanished.</p>
<p>We headed to the Toyota Center and this is actually the point of my post. I know the quickest route from Point A to Point B is a straight line, but I like to take you on the scenic route. I make no apologies.</p>
<p>Like the ATV/HEB confusion, I think every woman heard something different this weekend. We were all sitting in the same arena listening to the same speakers but we all heard different things. If we are going to be completely honest, this conference wasn&#8217;t my cup of tea. I came with my Bible and a journal for note-taking. I didn&#8217;t use either. My cup of tea includes the Bible and large quantities of notes. These speakers were funny and had great stories to tell about some rough lessons they&#8217;ve learned. I know they reached many women and I definitely see their passion for the Lord in what they are doing. There just weren&#8217;t many things that were said that really left a mark on my heart. But there was one thing.</p>
<p>On Friday night, Steven Curtis Chapman took the stage. I love him. LOVE him. His music is beautiful and his heart for God is just amazing. He told a story about when he and his wife were about to go meet their first adopted child, Shaohannah. His wife Mary Beth struggled with a few fears before they met her. What if she didn&#8217;t love her the same as she loved her biological children? What if she just couldn&#8217;t love this child enough?? But when she took Shaohannah in her arms, she was overcome with love. She instantly loved this child more than she could ever imagine.</p>
<p>They grew to have a new understanding of Christ&#8217;s love. He says He&#8217;s our Father. What does that mean? How could love us all the time, no matter what? Could he really love me more than my own dad? More than my own mom? There are so many of us, how does he even have enough love to love us all?? I can understand that He loved Jesus, Jesus was His own son. But me? I am half Kurt, half Alice. How could he love me as I&#8217;m His own?</p>
<p>Because I am His own. Just as Shaohannah belongs to the Chapmans. Just as my friend Lyndsey belongs to her parents. Wholly and completely. Without condition or exception or an asterisk. Adoption is a beautiful portrait of unconditional parental love.</p>
<p>As a childless married woman, this hit me. I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s God&#8217;s plan for my life. I would love to have a half Stephen, half Chelsea child. But it&#8217;s possible that God has other plans. And, my gosh, God&#8217;s plans are fabulous. So if He chooses adoption for us, we will gladly accept that calling on our life. Maybe He&#8217;ll want me to learn a lesson about what love is really all about. I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;m sure there are many women who didn&#8217;t <em>hear</em> that message. They heard something else, something that God wanted them to hear. All I know is that SCC&#8217;s message was something I was supposed to hear.</p>
<p>On Sunday morning, we watched a <a href="http://nooma.com/">NOOMA </a>video called Lump. Can you guess what it was about? Love. Specifically a parent&#8217;s love for their child. Hi God, I hear you. So I&#8217;m going to chew on these things for a while and see what I&#8217;m supposed to learn. If you have any morsels of truth, share away.</p>
<p>For now I&#8217;m going to focus on the sentence Rob Bell spoke to his son: <em>&#8220;There is nothing you could do to make me love you less.&#8221;</em></p>
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<link>http://jeremyberg.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/rob-bell-on-youth-ministry/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Jeremy Berg</dc:creator>
<guid>http://jeremyberg.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/rob-bell-on-youth-ministry/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Rob Bell is one of the most popular pastor-teachers in America today.  He is best known for his Noom]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p style="margin:10px 0 16px;padding:0;"><a href="http://jeremyberg.wordpress.com/files/2009/10/images.jpeg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-4876" title="images" src="http://jeremyberg.wordpress.com/files/2009/10/images.jpeg" alt="images" width="100" height="150" /></a>Rob Bell is one of the most popular pastor-teachers in America today.  He is best known for his Nooma short films used by churches everywhere.  He was recently interviewed by <em>YouthWorker Journal</em> at a national conference to give us some of his thoughts on youth ministry today.  Here&#8217;s the interview originally published on<em> </em>October 2, 2009 in<strong> <a style="color:#336699;font-weight:bold;margin:0;padding:0;" href="http://www.youthworker.com/resources/ministry/11609276/">YouthWorkerJournal.com:</a></strong></p>
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<p style="margin:10px 0 16px;padding:0;"><strong><em>YouthWorker Journal</em>: </strong>What are some specific tools youth pastors need for effective ministry? Back in my day, if you could play guitar (you needed to know chords C, F and G, but not much more) and could lead kids in wacky games, you pretty much got the job. If you could provide an insight into a Bible verse at the end of some activity, well then, you were gold. What are the magic bullets for today&#8217;s youth minister?<br style="margin:0;padding:0;" /><br style="margin:0;padding:0;" /><strong>Rob Bell: </strong>I don&#8217;t begin to think about that by wondering, &#8220;How do you do youth ministry?&#8221; I begin with, &#8220;What kind of person are you?&#8221; Let&#8217;s explore your own experience with the resurrected Christ. So if a youth pastor says, &#8220;How do I create a safe place where my kids can deal with their pain?&#8221; Let&#8217;s first talk about your own parents&#8217; divorce. Let&#8217;s talk about how Christ is helping put you back together. A lot of times we&#8217;ve been burned because even if someone could play the guitar and got the job, then it turned out the person had a lot of other stuff he or she was carrying. Who doesn&#8217;t have some story of a person they respected having a massive collapse spiritually, emotionally, sexually, whatever?<br style="margin:0;padding:0;" /><br style="margin:0;padding:0;" /><strong><em>YWJ</em>: </strong>OK, the magic bullets, if you don&#8217;t mind.<br style="margin:0;padding:0;" /><br style="margin:0;padding:0;" /><strong>RB: </strong>The dominant paradigm in churches is production, not discipleship. It&#8217;s about how to keep kids coming—how are the numbers? In the gospels, whenever there were large crowds, Jesus gave a difficult teaching that thinned out the crowd. Over and over, He chose those moments: <a style="color:#336699;font-weight:bold;margin:0;padding:0;" href="http://www.biblestudytools.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=joh+6">John 6</a>—Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood. Nice. Very accessible for kids. There is a certain pattern where He&#8217;s trying to find out who is serious. Youth workers are put in this position where their paychecks are based on how many people they can keep in the place. When they read the gospels, they realize this whole system seems to be going the other direction. Many youth pastors I&#8217;ve met are promoting something they don&#8217;t believe.<br style="margin:0;padding:0;" /><em></em></p>
<p style="margin:10px 0 16px;padding:0;"><em>CONTINUE READING INTERVIEW <a href="http://www.youthworker.com/resources/ministry/11609276/">HERE.</a></em></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Everything Is Spiritual]]></title>
<link>http://lifewalkblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/everything-is-spiritual-3/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>“In the Hebrew language, there is no word for “spiritual.”  If you would have said to Jesus, “Jesus, how is your spiritual life?”  He would have said “What?”  To label part of your life as “spiritual” and part as “not spiritual” is foreign to the world of scripture, and to the worldview of Jesus.”<br />
- Rob Bell<br />
This stuff is absolutly amazing!<br />
You won’t want to miss any of the 8 videos in this presentation.<br />
Watch it <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFlkJkYNpNk&#38;feature=PlayList&#38;p=C083A132107CB587&#38;index=0&#38;playnext=1" target="_blank">HERE ON YOUTUBE.<br />
</a>or you can buy it <a href="http://astore.amazon.com/lifewalk_store-20/detail/0310285569" target="_blank">HERE AT LIFEWALK STORE.<br />
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<p>Some reviews:</p>
<p>Michael J. Cauller says:<br />
          Who would have thought that a lecture on Creation stories and Quantum Physics would be so instrumental in conveying the truth of a holistic perspective of spirituality?  I’d say that Nooma is like a piece of candy and this is like a steak dinner.  Brilliant stuff.  Excellent revelation as one would expect.</p>
<p>Christopher Bernard says:<br />
          Rob Bell has received a great deal of criticism in his career for a variety of reasons. Some might have some merit, but most come out a desire for him to be something he is not. He is not a world class Biblical Scholar; he is not the greatest theological mind; he is not a person that will champion conservative ideologies, nor liberal. If you desire any of these things from this man, do not buy his work for you will be disappointed.<br />
But if you are looking for a thoughtful person engaging with faith, culture, and life, then you might have found someone that will really speak to you in a refreshing confession of Christian faith.<br />
Rob Bell is a pastor with a heart for humanity. He is a person that desires to unite, rather than divide. He is a person who recognizes the burden of our society and addresses them in faithful ways and “Everything Is Spiritual” is a wonderful testimony of God at work within Humanity.<br />
I was blessed to watch this. And I trust that those who have ears to hear will come away from this experience moved in profound ways.</p>
<p>Watch it <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFlkJkYNpNk&#38;feature=PlayList&#38;p=C083A132107CB587&#38;index=0&#38;playnext=1" target="_blank">HERE ON YOUTUBE.<br />
</a>or you can buy it <a href="http://astore.amazon.com/lifewalk_store-20/detail/0310285569" target="_blank">HERE AT LIFEWALK STORE.</a></p>
<p>Here’s John Sexton’s review of live presentation of “Everything Is Spiritual” at The Glass House:</p>
<p>The Glass House is a small concert venue in a little artists’ colony section of downtown Pomona. It’s surrounded by vintage clothing boutiques and used record stores. Usually it’s host to punk bands, but on this Wednesday night a somewhat different crowd had turned out to see a young pastor from Michigan named Rob Bell.</p>
<p>Our Ticketmaster tickets ($10) read “Door: 7PM Show: 8PM.” My two friends and I arrived a bit after seven and found the place already packed. Nearly 350 people sat on folding chairs facing a corner stage. The stage was black except for a huge whiteboard about four feet tall running the length of the stage, perhaps 16 feet. A few white lights were shining on it, making it appear to glow slightly.</p>
<p>As 8PM approached someone came on stage to ask us to turn off our cell phones and to let us know that tonight’s performance was being filmed. A few minutes later the mood music that had been playing in the background became louder, adding to the concert-like atmosphere of the show. Finally, Rob Bell stepped on stage dressed all in black. He uncapped his marker dramatically and we were off…<br />
He began with a ten minute discussion of Genesis chapter one, treating it as Hebrew poetry. He paused once to emphasize his underlying principle of interpretation, i.e. “the Bible is not a science text book.” If there were young earth creationists in the room, they decided not to throw vegetables at that moment.</p>
<p>At one point, he pantomimed Adam naming the animals God brought before him. When Adam named one “cat” God’s reaction was “Hey, I didn’t make that.” It was one of the lighter moments in the message. Rob then made this aside: “Someone out there with a blog, please don’t write that I hate cats. There’ll be demonstrators at the next show.” So while it was extremely tempting to title this post “Rob Bell Hates Cats”, I resisted.</p>
<p>The second and longest part of Rob’s talk was, in fact, about science. From quarks and strings to the vast universe itself, he covered an enormous amount of ground. I have a background in this material, so I listened with an awareness not only of where he was going, but also where he might have gone. The impression I had was of watching some agile person cross a river by leaping from stone to stone. At times he would slow his progress to draw out a tricky point, such as quantum entanglement or the stellar habitable zone. At other times he would skip lightly over issues too complex to engage in an abbreviated way, such as the differing interpretations of quantum theory. But always it seemed to me he dealt accurately and fairly with the material. It was an outstanding 20-25 minute summary of modern physics. It was a setup for a point he would make later.</p>
<p>Next, he turned to the issue of perspective. Using Flatland characters, he discussed how God’s interaction with our world may be difficult to understand in everyday language. This is where the “emergent view” of all things theological came across most strongly. Is God Calvinist or Armenian? Rob suggests there may be a way for him to be both.</p>
<p>I recognize that answers like this will never satisfy those who’ve invested any energy in either of the alternatives. And I probably enjoy a good theological argument as much as the next person. Still, I found Bell’s appeal to lay down our theological arms quite winning. There are simply some issues where the Bible stands in tension with itself. Perhaps this too is inspired and should be respected. At times I get the sense that the <em>seminary-denominational complex</em> has an institutional investment in keeping the arguments going. In any case, this was probably my favorite section of the talk.</p>
<p>Having loaded his plate with literally “everything”, Rob now had the unenviable task of summing it up neatly. If his conclusion wasn’t fully successful it’s worth pointing out that few pastors would even have the courage to try.</p>
<p>And there was a theme that came through, a single thread on which all the beads of science and theology were strung. We live in a very big world and yet its one in which our perspective has the ability to shift our understanding of everything. Is the universe an accident or a work of design? The truth is it could be either. Is theology confusing because it’s imperfect or because our language is insufficient? Again, it could be either.</p>
<p>Is anything spiritual or is nothing?  Rob suggests that as Christians we must choose everything. It’s this perspective that changes what we see. We move forward through life with the anticipation — the faith — that God is not absent, that he may indeed be hiding in plain sight.</p>
<p>I don’t know if Rob Bell has read Roy Clouser’s The Myth of Religious Neutrality, but he certainly seems to have adopted Clouser’s ideas on the religious control of theory-making. In any case, Rob’s presentation of it is a lot of fun. If there’s one person I’d like to have a chance to have a long talk with at some point, he has to be near the top of the list.</p>
<p>Watch it <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFlkJkYNpNk&#38;feature=PlayList&#38;p=C083A132107CB587&#38;index=0&#38;playnext=1" target="_blank">HERE ON YOUTUBE.<br />
</a>or you can buy it <a href="http://astore.amazon.com/lifewalk_store-20/detail/0310285569" target="_blank">HERE AT LIFEWALK STORE.</a></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Boycotts and Book Burnings...Are they beneficial to our cause?]]></title>
<link>http://truthinator.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/boycotts-and-book-burnings-are-they-beneficial-to-our-cause/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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<guid>http://truthinator.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/boycotts-and-book-burnings-are-they-beneficial-to-our-cause/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Recently, you without a doubt heard of the church in NC that was planning to burn non KJV Bibles and]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Recently, you without a doubt heard of the church in NC that was planning to burn non KJV Bibles and other superfluous writings on halloween. This morning I heard that the American Family Association was organizing a boycott of a large clothing retailer because of their non-Christian beliefs and actions.</p>
<p>I am not saying there is no merit to the concerns of groups that coordinate boycotts and burnings. I am asking whether boycotts and burnings are the best use of our time.</p>
<p>The problem I have with these protests is that the boycott and the fire get all of the attention and the reason for them gets little if any&#8230; Remember about 15 years ago when a Christian group was boycotting Disney? I do.</p>
<p>I remember this coming up in conversation with a friend. They said they were glad the Christians were boycotting Disney. Maybe Disney would not be so crowded for them&#8230; Wow, is this what a boycott accomplishes?</p>
<p>I offer a suggestion. Prior to boycotting or burning, why not schedule a series of meetings to discuss with the community why you have reason to boycott someone or to burn something? This way, you can use scripture to teach a lesson. If the plan to boycott or burn gets a bunch of attention, at least you can direct some of that attention to the meetings and the information you will provide.</p>
<p>Just a thought&#8230; What do you think?</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Long Distance Relationship]]></title>
<link>http://trip2southafrica.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/long-distance-relationship/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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<guid>http://trip2southafrica.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/long-distance-relationship/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Long Distance Relationship ____________________________ Long distance relationships&#8230; Long ]]></description>
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<p>Long distance relationships&#8230;</p>
<p>Long &#8211; meaning far and away. Because you know&#8230; some couples could always be not away and yet so far apart still; and I know I had no need to explain myself twice.</p>
<p>Relationship &#8211; &#8230; &#8230; &#8230; &#8230; &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;relationship.</p>
<p>Today I realized that I hate being in a long distance relationship. Well I don&#8217;t hate it, I just hate that it&#8217;s long distance. I realized, after two months of complete okayness with this situation, that I am absolutely not okay with the current state of being.</p>
<p>Days pass and I don&#8217;t talk too much with Loreena, but then when I do, I find that those times are some of the most bittersweet moments in the history of my entire life. Tender, simple moments &#8211; constantly being haunted by the fact that no matter what we talk about, that no matter how much we connect, that no matter how good it feels to hear her voice, the moment the phone hangs up&#8230; the moment the email ends&#8230; she&#8217;s still not there in the physical to sit down with and enjoy a meal with &#8211; or even the simple gesture of eye contact&#8230; still no physical presence.</p>
<p>Bitter&#8230; &#8230; &#8230; &#8230; &#8230; &#8230; &#8230; &#8230; &#8230; &#8230; &#8230; &#8230; &#8230;sweet</p>
<p>Long distance relationship</p>
<p>Long distance relationship with God.</p>
<p>How many of us have them?  (Yes I have to go here &#8211; everything revolves around our relationship to God)</p>
<p>I have to write about this, no matter how mad it makes you feel that I even mentioned such a subject. I mean just the phrase &#8220;Long distance relationship with God&#8221; alone carries so many implications. But I will only explain my experience &#8211; anything else would not do.</p>
<p>Long distance. A vast divide. An Expansive Chasm. A world apart.</p>
<p>Sin.</p>
<p>Sin comes in many shapes and sizes. It comes in a variety of flavors too! Some like it spicy, some like sweet, sour, salty, thick ketchup, potato mashed or smashed&#8230; everything simply to say that I realize more and more that I hate sinning hate sinning, and how capable I am of it.</p>
<p>The other day in fact I caught myself lying three times! And I followed through with those lies. I stayed true to them. It was about whether I had made phone calls or not &#8211; I didn&#8217;t make them. But I said I did! It felt just like denying Jesus. Three times&#8230; three times I made an effort and succeeded in sinning. By the third time I broke down in my heart; knowing that I had sinned. I had to consciously repent.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s the thing.</p>
<p>(There&#8217;s a always a thing &#8211; a point to be made &#8211; a problem to be addressed)</p>
<p>I never wanted to admit it, but I have been in a long distance relationship with God too! No wonder I prayed all those days and never felt him near. No wonder that every conversation I had was so bittersweet it killed me. I made connections with God, but never physically &#8211; well, as physical as you can get with God &#8211; spent time with him. I wasn&#8217;t searching for the will of God in my life or the plan of God for my life or for inspiration from God to feel alive again, I was longing for his presence in my life. I longed to feel him close, holding me, simply being there with me. Isn&#8217;t that what&#8217;s so great about being in a romantic relationship?</p>
<p>Romantic relationships offer two very solid elements that are not only pleasant but necessary in life. One is emotional, cognitive commitment, the mental decision to love and to be with that person. The other is the physical connection that takes place &#8211; the hugs, the kisses, the providence, protecting &#8211; all those things that flow from having the emotional/spiritual connection. I bid to you that it is the same with God.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned a few things in my years. I&#8217;m not old, I&#8217;m still inexperienced, but I can say with confidence that just because I make a connection with a person does not mean that they are to be my soul mate, or that I&#8217;m supposed to establish a physical relationship with them also.</p>
<p>This happened a lot in college.</p>
<p>There were soooooo many girls there it was ridiculous. I was making connections on a daily basis. Connections that I thought were like, &#8220;Wow &#8211; let&#8217;s start dating immediately&#8221;. Up until then the only friends I had were from church. And the secular friends I did have, our tie was because of Music. And music for me was always associated with God and worshipping Him. So to me, I felt love from God&#8230; but so many girls? Having good personalities, attractive, good head on their shoulders PLUS they loved Jesus?! &#8211; What was I supposed to think?</p>
<p>I established many connections. None of them ever came to fruition as far as dating. And I&#8217;m way glad now because God has provided the perfect person for me. But then, it was not so easy to see. Sure I was friends with a lot of people, but that desire to establish the physical closeness of dating was always in the back of my mind. Praise God for a busy schedule and the constant reminder that college would be over one day and I would be heading back to Salinas or San Jose. God had a way of reminding me that I cannot fully explain.</p>
<p>Emotional/Spiritual Connection is not a basis for physical/dating relationship.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s why it seems that more and more in the world are becoming &#8220;confused&#8221;. They are confused because they have had so much trouble making connections, or never had a genuine one, that the moment they do establish a connection on an emotional/spiritual level, they think &#8220;Wow! I&#8217;ve never felt this before! It feels so good! I feel SoOoOo complete!&#8221; &#8211; And the next thing you know they are in a relationship everyone can see is totally unhealthy, or even same sex relationship, and worse it often leads to divorce and people being torn apart.***</p>
<p>All because they didn&#8217;t have a little wisdom to differentiate between a genuine connection and a genuine basis for relationship.</p>
<p>Back to my topic.</p>
<p>We are aware of God. We even have His words to Follow. Having his words and seeing His actions, however, don&#8217;t seem to be enough to breathe life into your dead, dry bones.</p>
<p>I am learning to value the presence of God.</p>
<p>This is a phrase that I&#8217;ve heard a bunch of times in the past few years. &#8220;Value the presence of God&#8221;. And I hated it! I didn&#8217;t want to listen to that cliché garbage that is such annoying jargon &#8211; especially since I knew it was something I needed to do. I always associated the presence of God with getting all crazy and being very charismatic during church &#8211; which I am finding out is not necessarily the case. Simply spending time with God has been what I&#8217;ve been looking for. Yes, I want God to speak to me, I want to hear his voice and read his words&#8230; but what I&#8217;ve really wanted all this time is to know, to feel and know, that He is with me. That when I get down to pray, or am just walking on the road, He is really there with me.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t just a cognitive exercise to remind you that God is always with us, this the assurance, the physical part of a relationship. That&#8217;s what makes the romantic relationship so special. The connection goes deeper than just talking and getting to know a person really well. And that&#8217;s what valuing the presence of God is like, it&#8217;s a relationship that is closer than just knowing or getting to know a person. It&#8217;s the physical presence of someone you love that brings into a deeper relationship.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, the words and communication matter just as much, if not more! They form a foundation for the relationship, but it&#8217;s the being there, the company, the presence of the person that makes all the difference.</p>
<p>Long Distance Relationship.</p>
<p>They are not good. Maybe for a short time, but to try and have a real relationship with a person&#8230; no.<br />
I am assured that I will get to spend the rest of my life with Loreena, and I have been far from God for a long time, truly though, my time here is bringing me back to life and back to him.</p>
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<p>Here comes the time when I challenge you in something. It&#8217;s like an alter call, or a response time at the end of a preaching.<br />
Be far away from God no more!<br />
Why do you torture yourself and let yourself believe that you are close to God when you are no where near him?! Don&#8217;t just spend your time reading and thinking of God &#8211; actually spend time with Him.</p>
<p>But how do I do that? you might be asking.</p>
<p>I had to let go of every thought and logic and simply ask God to come. To forget about every theology class, to forget about everything that I thought I knew about the presence of God, and come &#8211; humble myself, admit my wrong, admit that I&#8217;m far, and that I want Him near.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like being saved all over again. Or maybe it&#8217;s just being saved. I know for sure, though, it is as David expressed, &#8220;Restore to me the <strong>JOY</strong> of my <strong>Salvation!</strong><strong>&#8220;. (Psalm 51)</strong></p>
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<p>***Now, I&#8217;m an inspired idealist. I&#8217;m inspired often to write and think of the things I do, so if anyone wants to do a particular study on this, and use my ideas as a basis for your hypothesis &#8211; have some class and give credit where it&#8217;s due &#8211; First off ME &#8211; Cause i acted and wrote this out. Second, whether you believe in him or not, God &#8211; I would have killed myself three times already if i had no inspiration for life and inquiry from Him.</p>
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<link>http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/new-tech-reviews-truth-warrior-brain-power/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<guid>http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/new-tech-reviews-truth-warrior-brain-power/</guid>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">It has been readily admitted that <a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/definition-of-terms/">discernmentalist</a> thinking  (aka truth warriors) is unique among the world. It has been admitted by a number of truth warriors such as DonJobson &#8221; It is because of our ability to read minds, and dissect truth unlike other &#8216;normal&#8217; apologists. We can see when they &#8216;think liberal&#8217;&#8230;.&#8221; ITodyaso, CEO of ODMafia weighing in suggested &#8220;we think differently because we are a special gift to humanity. When you know it all, you want to share it all.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Other truth warriors elaborated on all of our unique thinking abilities&#8230;.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">1) If John MacArthur states 2+2=5 (ie because of his expertise in biblical math) whereas John Armstrong declares it to be 4 (ie not using Biblical math)&#8230;.Armstrong is obviously wrong. Even IF the answer flies in the face of logic, or the fact that the Bible does not teach math. MacArthur is by his nature correct, because he is a truth warrior&#8230;Armstrong is &#8217;soft&#8217; on Post-modernism,  liberals and the Emerging Church and therefore if follows that MacArthur MUST be right on all things.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">2) If Dan Kimball says &#8220;Jesus is Lord&#8221; he really means &#8220;a false new-age, post-modern, man-made-Jesus-is-Lord&#8221; because no emerging church member can be saved. Only right-wing-republican-conservative-Christians who support war can actually be saved.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">3) When Rob Bell is declared an Emergent by numerous discernmentalists&#8230;.he is therefore Emergent. If Rob and Mars Hill denies the claim it is because he is lying. All Emergents are liars&#8230;.and they seek to deceive the masses and generally take over the world.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">4) Shane Claiborne wears natural fibers&#8230;.he is therefore not saved.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Remember, we at ODMafia set the standard.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Jesus Wants to Save Christians - Rob Bell]]></title>
<link>http://neilholman.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-rob-bell/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>neilholman</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Rob Bell seems to have a knack for provocative titles. You know, the kind of titles that offend certain people without even knowing what the book is about. I will start by saying I&#8217;ve never been a huge fan of Rob&#8217;s writing. I feel like he can be a little over the top at times. But with all that said, <em>Jesus Wants to Save Christians</em> is definitely my favorite of his books.</p>
<p>Bell tells the reader immediately what the purpose of the book is. He says it is a book about New Exodus theology. I must say that from Bell&#8217;s book, which is my only introduction to New Exodus theology, I found nothing particularly exciting about this lane of thought. He basically took you through the entire Old Testament and then talked about the parallels in the life of Jesus. Some of them seemed like good thoughts, while others seemed to be stretching it a bit. One of Bell&#8217;s parallels is the fact that Jesus&#8217; transfiguration and the delivery of the ten commandments both occurred on mountains. Right&#8230;</p>
<p>Bell, on a couple of occasions, seems to pull off one of my biggest pet peeves of preachers. In analyzing a part of Scripture, he ventures so far into the background and culture that he possibly loses sight of what the verse actually says. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I feel like these things are important. Without knowing the context, we can make a verse mean anything. And I applaud Bell for wanting to know the way of the culture in Jesus&#8217; day and how that affects his teachings. But I feel the greatest problem in our study of the Bible is we have a tendency to over analyze things a little. Let me suggest to you that when Jesus said we should love one another, what he really meant by that is we should love one another.</p>
<p>Of course, with all of that said, the book was entertaining. Bell is humorous at times, writes very clearly, and is easy to understand. The way the text is set up you can almost hear Rob reading it to you. If you have ever seen any of the <em>Nooma</em> teaching videos, and you know how he pauses between words and emphasizes certain phrases you will know what I mean. The format of the text does the exact same thing.</p>
<p>By the end of the book, somewhere along the way, Bell has turned it into a book about social activism. The transition is rather beautiful, in that I didn&#8217;t even realize it had happened until I was reading about war, poverty, and things like that. These couple of chapters were easily my favorite of the book, as Bell makes some very relevant points.</p>
<p>All in all, it was just a so-so book for me. Nothing terrible about it, but nothing spectacular either. I would compare it to a Max Lucado book, but not as well written. Bell makes some good points and you will come away enjoying the read, but he isn&#8217;t going to blow you away with some new thought. Of course, I&#8217;m sure there are many who will disagree with me. I don&#8217;t mind.</p>
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