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<title><![CDATA[UKIP - A Stand for Values WON'T Lose Votes!]]></title>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>ross1948</dc:creator>
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<p id="stand-first"><strong>A typical intro to a Guardian (UK) story  claims that UKIP&#8217;s ties to<em> far-right homophobes in Europe could mar ambitions in Britain as Ukip narrows gap with Tories.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong>Britain&#8217;s leading left-lib newspaper clearly recognises that UKIP is rising ever higher in public esteem, so seems like the Guardian is busily trying to co-opt the party into the decadent consensus, seeking to sow alarm and despondency that a sound stance against an abhorrent agenda might lose it votes. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Hogwash!</strong></p>
<p><strong>One of the reasons the Tories are haemorrhaging support is precisely because they have turned their backs on traditional values. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Under that two-faced twister Cameron they have allowed the obscenity of &#8216;gay&#8217; adoption and now they&#8217;re trying to railroad &#8216;gay&#8217; marriage through the legislative process in the face of enormous public opposition, including much of what was once their bed-rock support.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>One hopes that Nigel Farage and his colleagues will not be boon-doggled into accommodating aberration in consequence of such predictable Guardian garbage.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>The scare story rambles in partisan fashion that <em>the leader of Ukip, is facing new accusations of homophobia in his party over its links with anti-gay, far-right European politicians and claims that he has backed a populist Polish priest who describes homosexual men as &#8220;sodomites.&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p><strong>Good for the said priest, because that&#8217;s exactly what they are,  that&#8217;s what they engage in &#8211; sodomy, a practice they prefer to keep off the radar because normal people find it so unpleasant.</strong></p>
<p><strong>And note they use that nonsense word &#8216;homophobia&#8217; &#8211; a phobia is a fear, and while people are right to be fearful for the welfare of innocent kiddies consigned to the custody and control of a &#8216;gay&#8217; menage, as a word it makes even less sense than stealing the nice word &#8216;gay&#8217; to describe the whining malice that swirls around Cameron&#8217;s current pet project.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Farage is actually pretty liberal, in that he endorses &#8220;civil partnerships.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p><strong>In itself, the civil partnership concept is not unreasonable, though of course it should not be restricted to those involved in the abnormal. Anyone who shares a home with a lifelong friend, typically old spinsters and such-like, ought to be able to make some kind of arrangement whereby their designated heir gets priority over some unknown relative, or the state, when they die. I believe the French have instituted some such law.<br />
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<p><strong>But that&#8217;s as far as it (UKIP) should go. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Farage may like to say that the party is <em>tolerant of gay people</em> but while tolerance is all very well, it should not be conflated into endorsement of their affliction as something deserving parity of esteem with normality..</strong></p>
<p><strong>He should spell out that the immediate end of homosexual adoption is a firm UKIP policy. His excellent candidate in Croydon recently did so, but it remains unclear if the party line is as admirable as that one candidate&#8217;s.</strong></p>
<p><strong>But the Guardian &#8216;report&#8217; is most peculiar. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Apart from that introductory line warning UKIP prospects may be &#8216;marred&#8217; by opposing the pink-power movement, it gives no psephological reasons to support that assertion. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Sure, Guardian readers, a lot of them, will not vote for such dissenters from the in-crowd&#8217;s consensus, but there&#8217;s not a snowball&#8217;s chance in Hell that they&#8217;d EVER contemplate voting UKIP.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Indeed, another news report, from Reuters, says plainly that far from being a vote-loser, UKIP&#8217;s perceived opposition to &#8216;gaiety&#8217; is a key component of their current success.  </strong><a href="http://www.google.co.id/url?sa=t&#38;rct=j&#38;q=&#38;esrc=s&#38;source=newssearch&#38;cd=4&#38;cad=rja&#38;sqi=2&#38;ved=0CD4QqQIoADAD&#38;url=http%3A%2F%2Fuk.reuters.com%2Farticle%2F2012%2F12%2F16%2Fuk-britain-politics-ukip-idUKBRE8BF06D20121216&#38;ei=PSXRUN6oM4rirAe7joDwBw&#38;usg=AFQjCNGMJ9E0Xp5uPHfZqZpTkyJ_4o9hJA&#38;sig2=Kn5-dsXfZWdBnUV1Q-ewxw&#38;bvm=bv.1355534169,d.bmk">Support for anti-EU party grows over <em>gay</em> marriage  </a>Reuters UK-16 Des 2012</p>
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<p><strong>Instead of providing evidence to justify their &#8216;warning,&#8217; the Guardian piece only witters about some sensible Continentals. These come from Polish and Italian parties who are, like UKIP, part of the  Europe of Freedom and Democracy Group in the Strasbourg European &#8216;Parliament.&#8217;</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2012/03/19/cast-irons-consultation-mangling-marriage-and-monarchy-fight-back/no-to-gay-marriage_350x350_front-300x300/" rel="attachment wp-att-13907"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-13907" alt="no-to-gay-marriage_350x350_front-300x300" src="http://rossrightangle.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/no-to-gay-marriage_350x350_front-300x300.jpg?w=300&#038;h=300" width="300" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><strong>The Guardian quotes several MEPS, but all the words quoted are no more than expressions of common sense. viz.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Italy&#8217;s Northern League MP Massimo Polledri -<em>&#8220;homosexuals have to go to the psychologist to feel better&#8230;&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p><strong>Ukip MEP Roger Helmer &#8211; &#8220;<em>If two men have a right to marry, how can we deny the same right to two siblings Are we to authorise incest?&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p><strong>And some academic is brought in to tell us that United Poland MEPs have agreed that <em>homosexuality  is &#8216;a disease&#8230;&#8217;</em></strong></p>
<p><strong>Nothing wrong with any of that. It&#8217;s hardly intolerant to recognise some people have a problem and need help to get over it.</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2012/05/28/bali-bomb-swine-gets-off-light-and-no-doubt-the-eussr-applauds/eussr-kitchener/" rel="attachment wp-att-17551"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-17551" alt="eussr kitchener" src="http://rossrightangle.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/eussr-kitchener.jpg?w=245&#038;h=300" width="245" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><strong>Don&#8217;t shrink from the challenge, UKIP. Your country needs you.</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/dec/15/nigel-farage-ukip-anti-gay-groups">http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/dec/15/nigel-farage-ukip-anti-gay-groups</a></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Eire Forced to Consult Citizens, UK Tory Confronts Cast-Iron - Bad Week for EUSSR ]]></title>
<link>http://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/eire-forced-to-consult-citizens-uk-tory-confronts-cast-iron-bad-week-for-eussr/</link>
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<p><strong><a href="http://conservativehome.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451b31c69e2016302282666970d-pi"><img title="Euro meltdown" src="http://conservativehome.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451b31c69e2016302282666970d-500wi" alt="Euro meltdown" /></a> <img src="image/gif;base64,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" alt="" /> </strong><br />
<strong> Witty comment from Tim Montgomerie on Conservative Home, how <em>&#8216;Ireland is going to have another one of those double referenda on EU treaties. You know the ones. They vote the &#8216;wrong&#8217; way the first time and then a few months later vote the &#8216;right&#8217; way.&#8217;  </em>As Montgomerie notes, the supine Eire Government had sought to keep mere citizens from interfering in their bowing and scraping to Brussels,  but<em> &#8216;legal advice from the Attorney General made a vote impossible to duck.&#8217;</em></strong></p>
<p><strong>Praise be that the Eire regime, one of whose members we quoted in a previous RRA expressing his distaste for democratic consultations, has been obliged to show some responsibility, albeit against the cabal&#8217;s wishes.</strong></p>
<p><strong>And across the Irish Sea, one of the best British MEPs has quite Cast-Iron Cameron&#8217;s camp to join UKIP. Roger Helmer has long been a bastion of sound sense, and it&#8217;s only a wonder he stayed with the Conservative Party so long. </strong></p>
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<p><a href="http://rossrightangle.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/helmerposter.gif"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-13135" title="helmerposter" src="http://rossrightangle.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/helmerposter.gif?w=300&#038;h=247" alt="" width="300" height="247" /></a> <img src="image/gif;base64,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" alt="" /></p>
<p>Roger Helmer</p>
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<p><strong>But the crunch came when the Cameron clique tried to change the rules and block his successor, Rupert Matthews. One of the reasons for this change, as reported in BBC.com, was that <em>in December Mr Matthews denied any direct involvement in a book, published by a company he holds shares in, which featured a golliwog on the front cover.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em></em>So that&#8217;s pertinent grounds for excluding a candidate in Cast-Iron&#8217;s Cool Britannia? End of Days stuff, this!</strong></p>
<p><strong>As Helmer said, <em>&#8220;I was happy to resign in favour of the Next-in-Line in the normal way, but I am not prepared to stand aside for some A-List Cameron protege from St John&#8217;s Wood.&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em></em><a href="http://rossrightangle.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/golli.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-13136" title="golli" src="http://rossrightangle.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/golli.jpg?w=261&#038;h=300" alt="" width="261" height="300" /></a> <img src="image/gif;base64,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" alt="" />  A-List Cameron Proteges?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Now the situation with Helmer is very particular, but there is much talk of others following his example. Under a creature of Cast-Iron&#8217;s calibre, there is little reason for conservatives to stay in the Conservative Party. Many genuine traditional conservatives have already left, but others have been hanging in there, hoping against hope that the Old Etonian Worm might turn, but fat chance of that.</strong></p>
<p><strong> What about people like Martin Callan.  leader of the Tory MEPs and Chairman of the ECR Group? He wrote the article below, which sums up the argument that every citizen, of every party,  of every country should be making against the EUSSR.</strong></p>
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<p><em>&#8220;This treaty was designed with this eventuality in mind. That is why only 12 of the 17 euro zone countries need to ratify it before it comes into force. Unfortunately, that seems to be how democracy works in the EU these days. This treaty does nothing to solve the immediate crisis. At best it is a distraction from the real economic problems we face. The fiscal compact effectively renders socialist high-spending policies illegal.</em><strong><em> As a fiscal conservative I should be delighted. However, a nation&#8217;s economic destiny should be determined by the people through a ballot box, not political elites in a room in Brussels.&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p><strong>Excellent. But he&#8217;s a smart guy. He knows that the EUSSR is implacably opposed to democratic practice. From its foundation, the EC/EU/EUSSR has been a conspiracy against the peoples of Europe, exuding contempt for their views and their values. As Montgomerie says at the top of this page, if voters reject the elite&#8217;s diktat in the polling booth, they are simply marched back within a year to record their recantation of dissent.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Callan should denounce the enemy in Brussels and lead his colleagues en masse onto the UKIP benches. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Let the Counter-Revolution begin!<br />
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<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Greg Lance-Watkins</dc:creator>
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<title><![CDATA[#0668* - UKIP Exposed on A Political Forum]]></title>
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<dc:creator>Greg Lance-Watkins</dc:creator>
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<title><![CDATA[#0666* - Farage &amp; UKIP Play The Fiddle Well whilst GREECE DEFAULTS!]]></title>
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<dc:creator>Greg Lance-Watkins</dc:creator>
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<title><![CDATA[#0641* - Roger HELMER's Blog &amp; Nikki SINCLARE's Poll.]]></title>
<link>http://ukip-vs-eukip.com/2011/08/30/0641-roger-helmers-blog-nikki-sinclares-poll/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Greg Lance-Watkins</dc:creator>
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<title><![CDATA[The Riots]]></title>
<link>http://foolsprints.wordpress.com/2011/08/28/the-riots/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 17:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>foolsprints</dc:creator>
<guid>http://foolsprints.wordpress.com/2011/08/28/the-riots/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I live in Hackney and I work in my local community. On the afternoon of Monday 8th August, I left my]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Hackney and I work in my local community. On the afternoon of Monday 8th August, I left my house and went outside. I&#8217;d heard there were loads of police around and that things were looking tense. I thought, I could either stay at home and wait for second hand news of what was happening, or I could go out and see for myself. I felt like I understood what the riots were about, and I knew I wouldn&#8217;t be at risk.</p>
<p>A little after 4pm I steped out into a thick atmosphere and made my way to Mare Street. I got as far as St Johns church yard garden before seeing a big group of police surrounded by a big group of people. Someone else in the park said that the police had got all the shops to shut and were stopping and searching people. Tensions grew. One person didn&#8217;t cooperate and they may have tried to arrest them. The riot police then pushed everyone out of the church yard and away from the Narrow Way. Luckily I&#8217;d bumped into a friend and we ended up being pushed out towards Clarence Road. Everyone in the park was mocking the police, shouting over exagerated comedy orders and refering to them as storm troopers. Not many people have got much time for them round here, and that&#8217;s not for no reason.</p>
<p>From the top of the Narrow Way we looked up Clarence Road and could see a street filled with young people in hoods and with face masks. Police pushed us away as rocked started flying in their direction. Me and a few others went to Clapton Square and cut onto Clarence Road further up. People were building barricades, the atmosphere was electric but not threatening at all. They were scaring away people with cameras but appart from that, there were loads of people just milling about, watching what was happening.</p>
<p>Some shops in Hackney did get looted or got their wondows smashed. A JD sport, a phone shop, an off license, several bookies, several banks. The focus, however was here on Clarence Road. The aim was a fight with the police.</p>
<p>Terrible things happened over those few days. People got killed, houses and small shops burned. Anger is an ugly thing.</p>
<p>Since the Tottenham riots a few days before, I could feel the tension in myself. The phrase &#8216;mindless thuggery&#8217; kept going round and round in my head. And the backlash in the media and in the opinions of people who seemed to know little and care even less about finding out about the areas affected. I knew where the anger came from. I&#8217;ve watched as the police stop and search young people time and time again. I&#8217;ve seen the dispersal zone notifications that prevent young people from being on the streets in greater numbers than pairs, including in parks. On the way to work I go past the site of the death of  Godwin Lawson, stabbed to death in gang violence in March 2010. 1 of 19 teenagers murdered in 2010. I&#8217;ve heard young teenagers refuse to leave their neighbourhood for fear of walking down the wrong street. I&#8217;ve spoken to youth workers in Hackney fighting to save their own jobs from being cut. I&#8217;ve talked to mums about cuts in children&#8217;s services. I&#8217;ve lost work from cuts to school holiday playschemes. I&#8217;ve been on JSA and been treated like scum by job centre staff. I struggle to get and keep work despite good a-levels, a good university degree, 2 NVQs and my best efforts and I certainly struggle to pay rent.</p>
<p>The day after the Hackney riots I went to Clarence Road again and spoke to some people who were out and about there. Loads of people were around. Neighbours talking together. The message was pretty much universal. This wasn&#8217;t a supprise. The government had to start listening to young people who now have no future. People pointing to the scrapping of EMA, the closure of youth centres, the cutting of youth workers, the rise in uni fees and police harassment. Lots thought the police had it coming. All of them said that they understood why young people were angry, but that they couldn&#8217;t burn up their own communities.</p>
<p>I dug around online to try to get to grips with how the media were reporting it. I found some but few useful, meaningful things. Things from before the riots that gave an indication of what was to come:<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/29/young-people-gangs-youth-clubs-close">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/29/young-people-gangs-youth-clubs-close</a><br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/07/nick-cohen-recession-misery?CMP=twt_gu">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/07/nick-cohen-recession-misery?CMP=twt_gu</a></p>
<p>In the aftermath of Tottenham:<br />
<a href="http://www.channel4.com/news/police-cars-set-on-fire-in-north-london-street-clashes">http://www.channel4.com/news/police-cars-set-on-fire-in-north-london-street-clashes</a><br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/tottenham-riots-not-unexpected">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/tottenham-riots-not-unexpected</a></p>
<p>In the aftermath of Crydon:<br />
<a href="http://digg.com/news/world_news/london_riot_truth_the_bbc_will_never_replay_this">http://digg.com/news/world_news/london_riot_truth_the_bbc_will_never_replay_this</a></p>
<p>In the aftermath of Hackney:<br />
<a href="http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/08/201189161741876869.html?utm_content=automateplus&#38;utm_campaign=Trial5&#38;utm_source=SocialFlow&#38;utm_medium=MasterAccount&#38;utm_term=tweets">http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/08/201189161741876869.html?utm_content=automateplus&#38;utm_campaign=Trial5&#38;utm_source=SocialFlow&#38;utm_medium=MasterAccount&#38;utm_term=tweets</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&#38;v=Zmo8DG1gno4">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&#38;v=Zmo8DG1gno4</a></p>
<p>That last video says a lot. A bit that particularly strikes me:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ll tell you a quick story. Two dogs dies in a car that was owned by the police. They started an enquiry there and then, it was announced that was what they were going to do. They suspended the officers that was involved. That&#8217;s what they did. This guy that got shot, for whatever reason it was, nothing got said. They didn&#8217;t even go and see the family. And that told everybody in this environment that we&#8217;re nobody. The youngsters are the ones really that are more braver than the people of my age, because they reacted. Because they&#8217;ve got nothing to lose. And you know what, that&#8217;s a sad indictment on the society that we live in at the moment.</p></blockquote>
<p>And for every piece of media that talked to anyone involved, that asked questions and that took a minute to think, there&#8217;s been a million ignorant, racist thoughtless and useless articles, discussions and interviews. At the end of the day, it&#8217;s happening, there are reasons and whether or not someone in Surrey or Westminster thinks they are reason enough is completely irrelevent.</p>
<p>We had the mainstream media giving David Starkey plenty of broadcasting time to tell everyone that he thinks Enoch Powel was right and that &#8216;the whites are turning black&#8217;.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH5HAg7RTKk">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH5HAg7RTKk</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve watched that clip and was pretty disturbed. I recomend watching these rap remixes for some light relief:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4GaKCBMNs4">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4GaKCBMNs4</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah-9T2b5GlA&#38;feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah-9T2b5GlA&#38;feature=related</a></p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not just Starkey that&#8217;s stuck in the dark ages. We&#8217;ve had journalists asking why weren’t the police “clubbing these looters like baby seals, which is what they deserved”? which sounds bad enough but try reading the whole article&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2025021/UK-riots-2011-The-politics-envy-bound-end-flames.html">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2025021/UK-riots-2011-The-politics-envy-bound-end-flames.html</a></p>
<p>There was also anti-Europe Tory Member of the European Union, Roger Helmer who Tweeted &#8220;Time to get tough. Bring in the army. Shoot the rioters.&#8221;</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget Mr Cameron, Prime Minister with a grand total of 23% of people in the country supporting him at the polls (that calculation is including those that did not vote) with his speechs outside number 10 and in parliamant which both mearly nod towards his plans for law changes, removal of civil liberties and further attacks on communities that have been bearing the brunt of someone elses bad choices for years<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDCxoi-S4EE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDCxoi-S4EE</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTlEI-H7wAE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTlEI-H7wAE</a><br />
And while you&#8217;re watching Dave talk about responsibile youth, take a minute to reflect upon how responsible he was in his younger days<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club</a></p>
<p>In the wake of the riots we&#8217;ve seen councils threaten to evict whole families off the back of 1 individuals involvement in the riots. The first council to announce their plans and serve the notice was Wandsworth. It looks like other councils are set to follow. Westminster, for example, has made the pledge but as yet not served the notices. A group of 20-30 people went along to a protest outside the house of the leader of Wandswoth Council. It was a calm but vocal protest until officers decided it was all a bit too calm for them. They intimidated the crowd and then arrested 1 person for swearing.</p>
<p>People have been handed down extreme sentences for minor crimes, or things that previously weren&#8217;t crimes at all. Nicholas Robinson will be in prison for 6 months for stealing water costing £3.50. Jordan Blackshaw and Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan were given 4 years each for posting stuff on Facebook. Ursula Nevin was given 6 months in prison for just acceptng a pair of looted shorts. At appeal this got revised to 75 hours community service.</p>
<p>Police and courts have also refused bail to a lot of people. People that have not been found guilty of anything and many who are only charged with minor crimes may be held in prison for months before they&#8217;ve even had a trial. It seems now, after the leak of the Met Police&#8217;s &#8216;Prisoner Processing Strategy&#8217; this was planned. A friend of mine happens to be one of those being held. We have no idea when he might be bailed. Some suggestions it might not be until December.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/interactive/2011/aug/22/operation-withern-prisoner-processing-strategy">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/interactive/2011/aug/22/operation-withern-prisoner-processing-strategy</a></p>
<p>And, since the riots, there have been a spate of people dying in police custody or operations, 3 in 1 week.</p>
<p>So here we are. Many are cheering on the government&#8217;s moves to further kurb civil liberties and have little interest in admititng that it might not be mindless and that there are causes other than &#8216;lack of responsibility&#8217; and &#8216;bad parenting&#8217;. As I said before, at the end of the day it doesn&#8217;t much matter how many people condem what happened. While the underlying issues are still there, there will be more riots.</p>
<p>To finish, while rap is one of the many things being wrongly pointed to as a cause of riots, it&#8217;s musicians continue to tell it like it is on the streets. This is Lethal Bizzle&#8217;s Babylon&#8217;s Burning the Ghetto, released in 2007. This is the way the streets have felt since before then.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbf83rLG2mQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbf83rLG2mQ</a></p>
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<link>http://toryaardvark.com/2011/07/24/eu-climate-religion-fail-chris-huhne-orders-inquiry-into-tory-meps/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_14917" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 561px"><a href="http://toryardvaark.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/chris_huhne_totalcunt2.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-14917" title="Chris_Huhne_totalcunt2" src="http://toryardvaark.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/chris_huhne_totalcunt2.jpg?w=551&#038;h=350" alt="" width="551" height="350" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Lib Dem Chris Huhne orders inquiry into Tory MEPs, where does this idiot get off?</p></div>
<p>Chris Huhne has really excelled this time, following on from the pathetically desperate statement that “<a href="http://toryaardvark.com/2011/07/22/chris-huhne-fighting-climate-change-deniers-is-like-fighting-hitler/"><strong>Fighting Climate Change Deniers Is Like Fighting Hitler</strong></a>”, Huhne has now ordered an inquiry into the Tory MEPs in the European Parliament.</p>
<p>Huhne is still smarting from the major defeat EU Climate Religion suffered on July 5th 2011 when the <a href="http://toryaardvark.com/2011/07/05/eu-votes-against-30-carbon-emissions-cut/"><strong>EU voted against the economic suicide pact proposed by Huhne and Hedegaard</strong></a>.</p>
<p>Within hours an <a href="http://toryaardvark.com/2011/07/06/eu-climate-religion-fail-now-its-all-knee-jerk-and-lies/"><strong>embarrassingly bad damage limitation program</strong></a> was in place, and now Huhne a member of a different political party is now ordering an inquiry in to which fossil fuel lobbyists &#8220;<em>got to</em>&#8221; the Tory MEPs, even for Huhne this is a new high water mark of hypocrisy, the Chris Huhne who when asked to jump by NGOs like WWF, Friends of The Earth and Greenpeace meekly asks &#8220;<em>How High?</em>&#8220;:<!--more--></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Chris Huhne has ordered a private inquiry into which fossil fuel lobbyists &#8220;got to&#8221; the Conservative MEPs who defied David Cameron and voted down an ambitious carbon emissions target in the European parliament on 5 July.</em></p>
<p>&#8220;I have asked for a full analysis of what happened,&#8221; said the energy and climate change minister, speaking at an event in parliament. &#8220;We thought the vote was going to be close, but it was not close. We want to see which lobby groups managed to get to the MEPs.&#8221;</p>
<p>New research by the Guardian and Greenpeace into lobby groups and businesses seen by Tory MEPs in 2010 reveals there were more than four times as many meetings with fossil fuel companies, carmakers and others against stronger action on global warming than with green businesses and those pushing for deeper cuts in greenhouse gas emissions.</p>
<p>Huhne, a Liberal Democrat, has caused a storm by comparing Tory campaigning tactics on the AV referendum to those of the Nazis and by repeatedly challenging Cameron at a cabinet meeting on the issue. By investigating the EU climate vote, he risks further increasing tensions within the coalition.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is absolutely priceless we now have an NGO and <a href="http://toryaardvark.com/2011/07/14/greenpeace-the-slide-from-science-to-religious-dogma/"><strong>lobbyist for the Church of Climatology, Greenpeace</strong></a>, saying how wrong and unfair that there are other lobbyists who have made a better case than they have.</p>
<p>The big question is what are Huhne&#8217;s motives for ordering an inquiry?</p>
<p>Contrary to what Huhne would have us all believe the <a href="http://toryaardvark.com/?s=tory+meps"><strong>Tory MEPs</strong></a> who voted against the 30% emissions cut were not decisive in defeating the proposed bill.</p>
<p>The inquiry has rightly caused anger in the Conservative Party and the only likely outcome of a coalition Cabinet Minister pointing the finger at Tory MEPs, is to put further strain on the Coalition Government, which is not necessarily a bad thing, it like Huhne needs to be gone, soon as.</p>
<p>Tory MEP Roger Helmer had this to say:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;I&#8217;m happy for Huhne to investigate whatever the hell he likes. I just wish he&#8217;d spend more time investigating the huge economic damage that his green policies will do,&#8221; He added: &#8220;The prime minister is in no position to &#8216;bring Conservative MEPs into line&#8217;. I vote in what I conceive to be the best interests of my country and my constituents: the party whip comes a poor third.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Martin Callanan, leader of the Conservatives in Europe and an environment spokesman:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Our position on [deeper emission cuts] has not been influenced by lobbyists and has remained unchanged since the idea was first mooted.</em></p>
<p>&#8220;Europe already has the world&#8217;s most ambitious targets and, in the absence of a worldwide agreement, forcing business and industry to pay more for their CO2 emissions in Europe will merely result in them relocating outside of the EU.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;The Conservative party in Europe is in the pocket of big oil,&#8221; said Berger. &#8220;The prime minister needs to get a grip of his party and start leading a government that is serious about tackling climate change.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Martyn Williams of Friends of the Earth said: &#8220;There is a huge list of major companies who have told Conservative MEPs that getting serious about <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jul/22/chris-huhne-fossil-fuel-lobby?CMP=twt_iph"><strong>tackling climate change&#60;</strong>/a&#62; will give a boost to the European economy. The MEPs should stop listening to special pleadings and examine the big picture.&#8221;</a></p></blockquote>
<p>There are doubtless a huge list of companies that stand to make billions out of the Green Energy scam, what FoE wont tell you of course, is that the list of companies against Climate Religion is many times larger than those that are for it.</p>
<p>Yet another  Hat/Tip to <a href="https://twitter.com/#%21/aliegorey"><strong>@aliegorey</strong></a> , if you dont follow @aliegorey on Twitter you should.</p>
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<link>http://samchapman.wordpress.com/2011/06/26/252/</link>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger Helmer MEP has written <a href="http://rogerhelmermep.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/ken-on-rape-badly-phrased-but-basically-right/" target="_blank">a blog post</a> which, while proporting to support Ken Clarke MP, twists his (already clumsy) words.  I can believe that Mr Clarke did not mean quite what his phrasing suggested, as he was speaking live on radio, and he is prone to rather lengthy thoughts.  Mr Helmer, on the other hand, has clearly considered and chosen his words.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing particular I can add, except to comment that Roger Helmer is an excellent example of the drawbacks of electing politicians through a closed party list.</p>
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<link>http://ukip-vs-eukip.com/2011/05/19/0492-ukip-nigel-farage-has-seemingly-been-telling-porkies/</link>
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<dc:creator>Greg Lance-Watkins</dc:creator>
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<link>http://ukip-vs-eukip.com/2011/03/26/0380-further-thoughts-on-scoundrels-in-politics-re-tom-wise-ukip/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Greg Lance-Watkins</dc:creator>
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<title><![CDATA[#0261* - 25-Jan-2011 Roger HELMER MEP Stands Down as Chairman of TFA]]></title>
<link>http://ukip-vs-eukip.com/2011/01/25/0261-25-jan-2011-roger-helmer-mep-stands-down-as-chairman-of-tfa/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Greg Lance-Watkins</dc:creator>
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<link>http://ukip-vs-eukip.com/2010/11/11/0188-ukip-gets-a-brief-mention-in-the-independent-jumping-on-the-band-wagon/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Greg Lance-Watkins</dc:creator>
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<title><![CDATA[#0144E - Kelvin HOPKINS MP, Roger HELMER MEP, Trevor COLMAN MEP SUPPOT THE PETITION]]></title>
<link>http://ukip-vs-eukip.com/2010/10/11/0144e-kelvin-hopkins-mp-roger-helmer-mep-trevor-colman-mep-suppot-the-petition/</link>
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<dc:creator>Greg Lance-Watkins</dc:creator>
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<title><![CDATA[LDV Nuclear Poll - cast your vote for the future today!]]></title>
<link>http://declineofthelogos.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/ldv-nuclear-poll-cast-your-vote-for-the-future-today/</link>
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<dc:creator>Adam Bell</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Lib Dem Voice have put a poll asking Lib Dems to vote on Huhne&#8217;s new nuclear stance. The party]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lib Dem Voice have put a poll asking <a href="http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-should-nuclear-power-be-part-of-the-uks-energy-mix-20645.html">Lib Dems to vote on Huhne&#8217;s new nuclear stance</a>. The party&#8217;s official line is that new nuclear power is not necessary to combat climate change, and is a danger in itself. Since starting work in the energy industry, I&#8217;ve realised that&#8217;s almost certainly daft. However, a lot of older activists are passionately opposed to nuclear power, and Huhne&#8217;s sop to them has been to say that new nuclear plants can be built &#8211; but that the state won&#8217;t subsidise them.</p>
<p>This is a good policy, although Huhne&#8217;s been <a href="http://wp.me/pdk8T-4x">lambasted from the right for it</a>. We&#8217;re shutting down a lot of old plant &#8211; both nuclear and fossil fuelled &#8211; over the next ten years, and we have an energy deficit coming up. DECC&#8217;s Pathways document, released at the same time as Huhne&#8217;s Energy Statement, attempts to map out our options to overcome this, while ensuring that we reach our 2020 carbon reduction targets.</p>
<p><strong>Politics: the Right on Energy</strong></p>
<p>The right tends to love nuclear as a solution to carbon targets and the power gap &#8211; read the rantings of Roger Helmer MEP for a surprising instance of a Conservative praising the French way of doing things. The reasons given are typically economic &#8211; they believe nuclear is cheaper than any of the alternatives. The problem is that this nonsense &#8211; as I discuss on <a href="http://www.embracemyplanet.com/blog/archive/201008/how-much-does-wind-power-really-cost">the Embrace blog</a>. The cost of installing new nuclear capacity is above onshore wind, and comparable to offshore once the financing costs for nuclear are factored in. It&#8217;s therefore not clear that nuclear is cheaper &#8211; especially as the <a href="http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Conventions/liability.html">taxpayer  is liable under treaty for the costs of a nuclear accident</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry,  let me say that again: <em>the taxpayer is liable under treaty for the  costs of a nuclear accident</em>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s quite a subsidy you&#8217;ve got  going on there. I&#8217;m fairly sure the taxpayer wouldn&#8217;t have to pay the  costs for a wind turbine falling over.</p>
<p>On that subject, the right loath wind turbines in particular, largely because they&#8217;re a totemic symbol of the green movement intruding on their rural idylls where they&#8217;ve been consuming resources happily for decades without reality intruding at all. Nuclear allows them to shove all that dirty &#8216;production&#8217; somewhere out of site, so they can continue pretending that an economy based on ever-expanding consumption has no impact on the world. <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/jamesdelingpole/">James Delingpole</a> in particular has a weird pathological obsession with them, viewing them as some sort of Martian intruder into the Arcadian landscapes of his youth. In the north, we&#8217;ve been digging up our landscapes for centuries to power our industry. To me, views like Delingpole&#8217;s are several centuries out of date.</p>
<p><strong>Mechanics of Energy</strong></p>
<p>If we&#8217;re looking for the most economic solution to cross the power gap and reach our emissions targets, you can&#8217;t just say &#8216;Wind Turbines!&#8217; or &#8216;Nukes!&#8217;. This is because powering the UK is an incredibly complicated business presided over by the unsung heroes of our day-to-day life, the National Grid. They have to deal with daily fluctuations in power demand of between 20-25GW (to put that in perspective, the biggest generator in the UK, Sizewell B, produces about 1.2GW). To do this, they need two broad types of power stations: baseload plants and &#8216;peaker&#8217; plants. The baseload supply the electricity that&#8217;s constantly demanded &#8211; around 40GW. The &#8216;peaker&#8217; plants supply electricity to meet peak demand &#8211; around 20-25GW, as mentioned. Different types of plant are easier to ramp up and down than others &#8211; for example, gas can be switched on and off very fast, while it&#8217;s unsurprisingly difficult to tone down a nuclear reactor. The French model Roger Helmer advocates uses 80% nuclear, requiring some of their nuclear plants to run in &#8216;load-following&#8217; mode, which is difficult and expensive to achieve. They have to do this because putting too much power into the grid at once would produce an effect analogous to a power surge in your house, except across the entire country. It has to be carefully balanced &#8211; which is why I said National Grid really were unsung heroes.</p>
<p>Even with load-following nuclear plant, the French regularly dump a lot of their excess electricity onto international markets to avoid overloading the grid &#8211; there&#8217;s a 1.2GW pipe under the Channel they use to give us electricity. They can do this because they&#8217;re heavily interconnected with their neighbours, reducing the risk of overload. We&#8217;re not. No-one serious is taking Roger Helmers&#8217; position.</p>
<p>Wind turbines are good for peak power &#8211; their seasonal &#38; daily output broadly follows demand trends, with a significant amount of variability. However, because they&#8217;re variable, they&#8217;re less good at satisfying peak demand. Typically they&#8217;re balanced with fast reserve plant, like gas.</p>
<p>You should be able to see the outline of a future energy mix from the above, and this is what I suspect Huhne&#8217;s policy is aiming at. Nuclear will receive a subsidy in the form of a carbon tax that will make all low carbon sources of electricity competitive. It will receive the mammoth public liability subsidy that no-one likes to talk about. It probably won&#8217;t get an additional subsidy along the lines of renewable energy. If it&#8217;s economic after all this, it will be built &#8211; but those building it will probably be required to set up a special bond for decommissioning, to pay the eventual clear-up costs. Something similar is required of mining projects, and constitutes a good model for dealing with economically useful but environmentally damaging projects.</p>
<p><strong>How then should I vote?</strong></p>
<p>Go for the top option on the poll &#8211; nuclear has enough subsidy to be built with the carbon tax and liabilities factored in. Reserve the right to change your mind if a privately-funded decommissioning bond isn&#8217;t required. In that event, a massive expansion of renewables is the most cost-effective option.</p>
<p><strong>Isn&#8217;t telling people how to vote on a poll illiberal?</strong></p>
<p>Yes. But so are blackouts. They constrain your ability to choose to have the lights on.</p>
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