Below is an extract of a post a wrote for the good people at LouderThanTheMusic.com. You can read the rest of the article here.

For the majority of you who’ve never heard of me be let me just explain who I am. I’m Dave, no not the Dave that co-runs LTTM, but I have taken some pictures for him in the past, and amongst other things I’m a freelance sound engineer. Last year I had the great pleasure of being asked to help out with Roy Fields first UK tour and it took me about a nano-second to respond. Originally the tour was only meant to be for two weeks, however those two weeks soon turned into three. Three turned into four, and so on. At the end of 6 weeks traveling all around England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland, God TV put 5 nights from Winchester Vineyard Church live on air and Roy’s first live album, aptly named Live In The UK, since Lakeland was recorded. By the end of the tour Roy and Melanie saw approximately, 1,557 commitments and recommitments.

As LouderThanTheMusic.com has already featured Roy and Melanie briefly came back to the UK for 4 nights of meetings to celebrate the release of Live In The UK and to sign a record deal with Kingsway for the release of future material. Once more I was asked to help out with all things sound and production related. So below are glimpses into my world as the We Are The Generation tour returned to the House of Destiny in Bournemouth….

Read more: http://www.louderthanthemusic.com/document.php?id=553

the weekend that was:
- saturday was all bout preparation; i started my day very early programming up the desk i’m about to collect, working out channel plots and generally making sure from my end everything is as ready as it can be. then, once rosie was up we continued preparation for her holiday, which she’s now on, by sorting out two ipod classic’s – one for audio, one for video. then once i’d dropped her off and collected her mums spare car key as some friends, the olivers, are using it while they are away i got a little surprise and was invited in for a cup of tea with my old boss; it was great to have a catch up and hear how he’d been getting on and which cars key’s been trying – like the subaru imprezza wrx.

- sundays was a very early start. i was off to saint saviours christian centre in reading for one of jim bailey’s morning events, which instead of being one of his “fathers” meetings was 3/4 of one of his normal shows. it was a beautiful church, run by a really caring group of people who were really appreciative of both jim’s presentation and me driving up to take provide sound services. jim and i managed a quick catch up but, unfortunately, were unable to find a coffee shop or even a mcdonalds en route so a bigger one will have to wait till later in the week. the evening was relatively quiet, dinner, top gear and i booked my tickets for florida at the end of september

where i am at the moment: at home having a relaxing start to the day before driving up to sound foundation in reading.

on my to-do list this week:
- send out the weekly newsletter to our subscribers
- upload the sunday podcast
- the big celebration day (which is actually 3 days for me)
- finally sort out my home broadband
- last minute playscheme preparation
- collect a van
- set up ready for playscheme

procrastinating about: been discussing the future with rosie quite a bit; how we’d like to live in another country for a period of time.

book i’m in the midst of: umm…..

music that seemed to catch my attention this past week: enjoying a nice bit of israel houghton and a bit of roy fields.

next trip: reading today to pick some equipment up from sfl group and the return journey on wednesday.

how i’m feeling about this week: excited know it’s going to incredibly quickly

the weekend that was:
- saturday started in an etap hotel in leicester after completing night two, part of the we are the generation euro tour 2009. the meetings that had been held on thursday and friday had been pretty full and God’s Holy Spirit was flowing freely. more reports on the tour are to come so back to saturday. one of the big downsides of being on tour is the spare time you have to sleep or sit around – aside from the get in and the pack down the earliest time that i’m needed is between 1730 and 1800. with all that time some of us headed into leicester city centre for a look around, make random purchases and how should i put this? eat kangaroo. after discovering a themed bar called walkabout the previous day (as a place to watch the tennis) we decided to revisit it to try ‘roo. both mark robinsand i found it a very lean meat, slightly comparible to beef and would have it again. i’m not completely sure duncan liked it and rosie is probably turning green at the thought of it. after the ‘roo it was back to the highcross centre for a bit of shopping and then to the all nations centre for the last evening. or at least that was the plan. rosie’s back had other plans and we had to leave after the mark robins section of worship for a drive down the M1. all in all the drive went very smoothly apart from the M1 being closed between junctions 15 and 14!

- sunday morning came round far too quickly for my liking. church setup felt more spritely than last week we had a bigger team – they knew what they were doing, etc. a small down point for me was that for the second sunday in a row i forgot something and had to make my way back to the church office. worship was really uplifting and the talk amazing – something has really begun to change at acc and it feels like we’re starting to connect with Heaven. after acc it was back on the road heading down to house of destiny in bournemouth. with the return of andy balls to drums and kate cooke to the backing singer role the team reunion was complete. all the old jokes were recycled though mark did try and add a new one which bombed horribly. the venue was fuller than it was last time with people singing and dancing and didn’t matter if they were young or old they were all hungry for God.

where i am at the moment: in the rustington office catching up on the last few days before heading over to wickbourne later.

on my to-do list this week:
- send out the weekly newsletter to our subscribers
- work out which bits of sunday can be used as a talk and upload them
- prepare several dvds of joe gisbey’s roots series
- make some music with jim bailey
- sort out some fine details about the next event i’m involved with

procrastinating about: the UK live album and being back in tour mode

book i’m in the midst of: started reading as you do by richard hammond

music that seemed to catch my attention this past week: perhaps unsurprisingly it’s the new roy fields album “live in the uk“

next trip: nowhere this week.

how i’m feeling about this week: get a chance to catch up on some rest so all is good

the weekend that was:
- saturday started in an etap hotel in leicester after completing night two, part of the we are the generation euro tour 2009. the meetings that had been held on thursday and friday had been pretty full and God’s Holy Spirit was flowing freely. more reports on the tour are to come so back to saturday. one of the big downsides of being on tour is the spare time you have to sleep or sit around – aside from the get in and the pack down the earliest time that i’m needed is between 1730 and 1800. with all that time some of us headed into leicester city centre for a look around, make random purchases and how should i put this? eat kangaroo. after discovering a themed bar called walkabout the previous day (as a place to watch the tennis) we decided to revisit it to try ‘roo. both mark robins and i found it a very lean meat, slightly comparible to beef and would have it again. i’m not completely sure duncan liked it and rosie is probably turning green at the thought of it. after the ‘roo it was back to the highcross centre for a bit of shopping and then to the all nations centre for the last evening. or at least that was the plan. rosie’s back had other plans and we had to leave after the mark robins section of worship for a drive down the M1. all in all the drive went very smoothly apart from the M1 being closed between junctions 15 and 14!

- sunday morning came round far too quickly for my liking. church setup felt more spritely than last week we had a bigger team – they knew what they were doing, etc. a small down point for me was that for the second sunday in a row i forgot something and had to make my way back to the church office. worship was really uplifting and the talk amazing – something has really begun to change at acc and it feels like we’re starting to connect with Heaven. after acc it was back on the road heading down to house of destiny in bournemouth. with the return of andy balls to drums and kate cooke to the backing singer role the team reunion was complete. all the old jokes were recycled though mark did try and add a new one which bombed horribly. the venue was fuller than it was last time with people singing and dancing and didn’t matter if they were young or old they were all hungry for God.

where i am at the moment: in the rustington office catching up on the last few days before heading over to wickbourne later.

on my to-do list this week:
- send out the weekly newsletter to our subscribers
- work out which bits of sunday can be used as a talk and upload them
- prepare several dvds of joe gisbey’s roots series
- make some music with jim bailey
- sort out some fine details about the next event i’m involved with

procrastinating about: the UK live album and being back in tour mode

book i’m in the midst of: started reading as you do by richard hammond

music that seemed to catch my attention this past week: perhaps unsurprisingly it’s the new roy fields album “live in the uk“

next trip: nowhere this week.

how i’m feeling about this week: get a chance to catch up on some rest so all is good

the weekend that was:
- saturday was a long day; early last week it soon became apparent that my double header with jim bailey wasn’t going to happen so it was time to switch to plan b. plan b involved picking rosie up at what felt a ridiculously early, for a saturday, 7:40 am getting some petrol and driving down to exeter for the event which was to celebrate the 1100 aniversary of the diocese of exeter. it was outside in a marquee which felt a bit like a sauna when a hundred or so kids were jumping up and down.  jim did great especially as this was his first outdoor gig in sometime and the heat really shouldn’t be underestimated. current archbishop of canterbury, dr. rowan williams, was a guest visitor. all to soon it was time to say goodbye to jim and most importantly rosie and head back to worthing ready for sunday morning. eddie izzard’s classic “glorious” and radio one/one extra’stribute to the late michael jackson kept me occupied on the way home.

- sunday also felt an early start. this was the first sunday without steve and the first opportunity to show that i’m ready for extra responsiblity. setup felt a little sluggish and with martin smith and our very own gospel choir leading worship it meant more to do than normal. we did, however, get there and it all worked (apart from a few squeaks from feedback). the afternoon was a chance to chill out a little bit; there was no F1 and while I was waiting for rosie to arrive back from bristol i took the opportunity to watch some more of glastonbury 2009. i still haven’t had a chance to watch spinal tap’s set in full. when rosie did get back it was great to spend a few hours relaxing without anything crazy to do – just relax. then the second episode oftop gear which was just hilarious.

where i am at the moment: at home sipping coffee

on my to-do list this week:
- send out the weekly newsletter to our subscribers
- work out which bits of sunday can be used as a talk and upload them
- prepare several dvds of joe gisbey’s roots series
- make some music with jim bailey

procrastinating about: nothing.

book i’m in the midst of: this months top gear magazine?

music that seemed to catch my attention this past week: been listening to little boots debut album “hands” for some intelligent pop and david crowder*band’s new single “how how loves“, taken from forthcoming album “church music” to inspire me in the studio.

next trip: more travelling round the uk this week. head to leicester on thursday for 3 dates and then on to bournemouth with american worship leader roy fields. far more details over on davejohnsonmusic.net.

how i’m feeling about this week: good

This blog is moving to it’s own domain.  It will take some time to relocate previous posts and get everything in order.  All new posts will go to www.offgridworship.com .  We hope you will visit us there.

An eleventh video has been brought out in the Todd Bentley restoration saga on Rick Joyner’s Morningstar Website called ‘Loving God First’.  It is dated 15th April 2009.

Brief edited transcript -

Todd Bentley: 

“I’ve been thinking, How can I be leading this great move of God ….

[Note the bragging and the continued lie that Lakeland was a great move of God. It was a move of Todd, not God. With assistance from Stephen Strader, Wendy Alec, Roy Fields and many other ones who have never confessed their sin in the matter either.]

“… and then it seems so soon after, or even during …

[Todd admits to what specifically SEEMING to happen? He trails off mid sentance which is not an admission to anything. And 'seeming to happen' is not the same as saying it DID happen. He has never confessed his sin, or repented, and continues to insist nothing bad happened even between him and Jessa, so - what's going on exactly?

And which is it - after or during? He knows!]

“Well the biggest question I am asking myself and that you [nodding to Rick Joyner] and other leaders are asking is …  you know the divorce and remarriage is one issue and there’s a lot of issues right there. But I think the biggest question is, how is it Todd that you went AWOL like and I’ve asked myself that question and I’ve come to realise that I lost my connection with God.

[This is a lying excuse negating his sin and accountability and meant as a smokescreen.

 And it also means, that whatever way one looks at it, Todd is a liar as well as an adulterer. For he claimed at Lakeland ... well, we all know what he claimed. And he continued to minister there and claim God spoke to Him, angels and dead saints spoke to him and so on and so forth, so which story is now true?

And let us not forget, his affair with Jessa was going on since months BEFORE Lakeland even started. According to Robert Ricciardelli, from  January of that year. So when does Todd Bentley claim he lost his connect with God to cause the affair - that was not even a sin according to him, so why is he even admitting a disconnect with God to blame it on? To cover all his bases?

I suggest part of the reason he is doing this is so he can claim reconnection again with God and thus a rapid restoration and reacceptance. And his deluded followers will find it much easier to reconcile his sinning done while without a connection with God, than with a 'connection' going and still deliberately sinning anyway, as that brings up all sorts of questions about his faith, his God and his character.

We also would have to question his theology about a genuine Christian 'losing connection with God' anyway.]

“We can say we did this because I was hurt, or because the religious spirit hurt me or the church hurt me -

[Yeah blame it on his critics, that he demonises, while using deceitful rhetoric.]

“… we can’t justify, I just lost that connect with God. When you’re not walking in the spirit, you walk in the flesh, and the decisions I made were out of the flesh.

{Which decisions specifically?  Note the word ’sin’ is not used.

It is easier for Todd to blame this sin, these bad decisions, on a vague disconnection with God that’s shifting at least some of the blame and responsibility onto a third party, God, rather than admit the evil in his own heart.]

“And I’m finding that again, I’m getting reconnected. 

[Ah here, we go! Well, you knew it was coming! So Todd is reconnected with God so it must be all Ok again?!]

“I was carnal and casual. I never really realised how much like Jacob I was.

[This eluding to Jacob is based on what Rick Joyner was talking about here]

“I so loved God

[If you love God, you will obey his commands. Todd did not and delights - relishes - feasts - in mocking and abusing God's saints. So which god does Todd love? Someone who loves God does not seek to usurp His rightful place  or arrogantly boast and blaspheme. They do not dare to regularly give false witness either as Todd did for years.]

“And wanted God’s birthright ….

{Very telling. GOD’s birthright. The usurper speaks. What people think Todd is eluding to is the story of Jacob and Esau but he ain’t ….]

“… that you never realise you can be scheming and manipulative.

[Todd is not admitting what you may think he is admitting - read on!]

“You knows it’s not like you ever go out to hoodwink the people, I mean I was always pure in everything I did but there were times that you so want to protect what you’re doing and protect the ministry, you can come across as if you cover things up, and I’ve seen that in me now.

{‘Coming across’ and his actually being in reality are two different things so Todd is not admitting anything here. Rather he implies his ’pure intentions’ were misunderstood. And says he was ambitious and calculated in seeking the kingdom. 

But if what one does is ‘pure’  then why would one want to cover it up to protect the ministry? Unless the ministry has something to hide and is deeply deceptive?]

“And I’m seeing how my nature is more like Jacob  …

[Not for the deceiver bit! Does he know what Jacob's name means?

What he is saying, he is like Jacob because of ambition in seeking the birthright and struggling with God. Not the deceit! ]

“… and I’m wrestling with God and wanting to be like Israel. 

{How is he wrestling? He sinned. Repeatedly, and he is not sorry.]

I want to be a prince.

[That figures, not a servant.

At Lakeland he boasted about being the king in Psalm 2 set on God's holy hill - he is that arrogant and that blasphemous]

“… sometimes you get so discouraged over the mistakes that you have made, and you get so down,

[Mistakes or SIN? Any true man or woman of God knows they can leave their confessed sin at the cross, and walk freely without guilt or condemnation. But Todd does not this as he does not go to the cross and he is not sorry.]

“..  and you think, God I’m done …

[there is a flamboyant gesture here which actually underlines his deceit and manipulation]

… and the church says you’re done

[note the micro expression here, a cunning smile]

… and I think of the greatest men and women in the bible and they made huge mistakes, in some ways more than I did  …

{Note his comparing himself to the ‘greatest’ men and women in the Bible.

And again the denial of sin in calling it a ‘mistake’. His behaviour was not a mistake, it was deliberate premeditated actions done over many, many years. I have tracked Todd’s lies and deceptions back over the course of years. He did not just start acting wickedly this year.

As to those in the Bible who sinned more than Todd Bentley did – who, when?  Who in the Bible,  who was a great man of God, after meeting with God lied for many years, fleeced for many years and screwed around for many years – on the church and on his wife? Who habitually lied, falsely prophesied, arrogantly boasted, blasphemed and taught heresies. Who savaged the church like this? And remained unrepentant and was called a great man of God?]

“… and God still used them as great heros.

And I want to be a hero in the faith, and I think for many people I have been a hero in the faith.

{Cough! Splutter! In what faith? The faith of Babylon? Note the arrogance!]

“And I’ve been real …

[With who? All we get from Bentley is lies!]

… and I’ve gotten carnal

[ah, this maybe what he means about being real, real his being carnal]

And I’ve made some mistaken decisions, fleshly decisions,

[Like what? We know, but I am yet to hear Todd admit it!]

… but I realise there’s nothing we can do that can separate us from the great call of God, and the great love of God,

[This is distorting and then twisting God's word to manipulate.

Because Todd was NOT in any call of God - let alone a 'great' call of God - in his demonic diabolical ministry. And sin also seperates unregenerate unsaved man from God.

Furthermore Todd seeks to say that because God loves him and forgives him as he sees it and claims it, then the church should, and should allow him back into ministry as he claims God does not have a problem with it as these two are 'reconnected' again. As nothing can separate him from the love of God, so nothing should separate him from his ministry goes the logic. Uh huh. Sly.

Yet the Bible shows that even some a genuine Christian, someone called to a genuine ministry, who is not an unrepentant habitual compulsive liar, false teacher, false prophet, blasphemer, heretic, thief, fraud, charlatan, abuser, adulterer, drunkard - someone who is the real in other words - that if they fall they will be separated from their God-given ministry for a long time in a suitable restoration process nothing like Joyner's. And if they remain unrepentant they are also separated from the church and NEVER restored.]

… and I’m getting hope

[Because you know your nine months are up counting back from July/Aug last year - tick tock!]

“…. at the same time as realising some real ugly things in my nature. In my Jacob nature, my fleshly nature.

[Such as? This is not an admittance of what some may think it means]

“… and we want to do it right.

and I’ve always said this, can I become the greatest man of integrity….can I become the greatest ….

[Todd's narcism comes to the fore again, and his arrogance. The greatest this, the greatest that. He wants his second marriage to be the greatest witness of what a marriage can be. He wants to be like one of the greatest men and women of the Bible. He claims he is a hero. And now he says he wants to be greatest man of intregity? Oh please! This is a complete joke.]

Rick Joyner then speaks -

“The first apostles …

[not the only ones, or even the pre-eminent ones as Rick Joyner sees it - only the first apostles]

that denied the Lord, betrayed and scattered …  when he needed them at the most. One of the worst things you can do, is deny the Lord, yet weeks later they were lions for God.

[It is pretty low of Rick Joyner to compare the disciples deserting Jesus to people criticising Todd Bentley. Or making the comparative link between Bentley and the Lord. Todd ain't Jesus. He is His enemy.

Furthermore the disciples/apostles were genuine men of God who knew and loved Jesus. They were not frauds who really despised God and his saints. They operated in the real gifts versus the counterfeit gifts, the Holy Spirit vs unclan spirits - for free  and not money - and they preached the true gospel. They lived holy lives. They cannot at all be compared to Todd Bentley.

Notice also the bit about "weeks later" - we always knew this restoration wouldn't last long! Rick and Todd keep giving their intention away.]

“They weren’t perfect people.

{This is not about Todd being imperfect. It is about his being disqualified for ministry, and disqualified from even being in the church as he is still unrepentant.]

“It has got to be about loving God first – you can have all the right doctrines and you will still run, so this has got to be about loving God first   …

[This statement is to support bad doctrine, to undermine right doctrine and those that promote it, in place for alleged feelings and passion for God. But like I said before, if you love God, you will obey His commandments.]

“Jesus did not give up on them - I really appreciate those who have not given up on Todd or us, or given up on their family members when they had problems.

[More manipulation]

The message of redemption of the cross, is to redeem, reconcile and restore us.

[It is very unusual to hear Rick mention the cross. But suffice to say, it is for ungodly purposes as he then says we should not set limits on restoration, in terms of scope or time. He also repeats Gaationsl 6:1 and claims that his aim is to get Todd Bentley back to where he was. Which was a terrible place indeed.]

“If you sin, if instead of trying to hide it, you run to God and not away from him and don’t try to cover over, it will be easier for you, and I do have this testimony re Todd.

{More coughing and spluttering on my part]

He has been with me one of the most transparent people,

[With Joyner perhaps who is also a deceiver, but not with the world!]

People have sent all kinds of stuff Todd did and all that kind of thing. Todd had admitted everything beforehand …

[Admitted what, as we are yet to hear it?]

“- he was very transparent, wide open, fix me, not trying to cover up anything.  We appreciate that and God does too. No matter how far you fall God can put you back.”

[God or Rick Joyner? Or does it matter with this deceitful ungodly bunch?]

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See also

Todd Bentley’s Comeback – The Process To Date With Rick Joyner, Bill Johnson and Jack Deere 

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The following are excerpts with the recent Joshua Mills interview with  Sid Roth. The video is here and a full interview transcript is here, and I have highlighted some of the more outrageous claims below and examined them. 

You know for all the talk on this show between these two, and all the mention about signs and wonders, I don’t really hear God Himself  being glorified here at all, or any mention of what God is actually like. What kind of signs and wonders are these then? Even if they were true, which they are not, as Joshua Mills is a blatant  charlatan. It seems at the moment in the charismatic church, the more outrageous and habitual the liar, the more they get sought after by the undiscerning [eat your heart out, Todd Bentley]. Look how much Sid Roth is falling over himself in this interview, lapping up every lying word – all the while he is being mocked and made a mockery of by Joshua Mills who is such a bad liar!

Outrageous Claim #1 – Joshua Mills learned to supernaturally play the piano, and continues to supernaturally be guided while he plays now.

“Sid: Now why did you start all of a sudden to move into worship, were you a musician before?

Joshua: I didn’t play the keyboard, I never really wrote a song before that time.

Sid: Did you ever take any music lessons?

Joshua: I had take some piano lessons, I was actually forced to take piano lessons when I was a little child in kindergarten, first grade, my mother…

Sid: For how long did you do this?

Joshua: I think about several months.

Sid: I see, did you force yourself to learn as little as possible?

Joshua: Actually I would sit at the piano and cry cause I really didn’t want to do it.

Sid: What a sense of humor, so how did you make that transition to worship leader from a crybaby, no I was just teasing.

Joshua: Well the day after I had that experience with the Holy Spirit it was like God just began imparting in me such a desire for praise and to worship, and He showed me that I could come into His presence through praise and worship, and I sat down at a piano, it is like it is so supernatural that I didn’t even, I can’t even hardly explain what happened exactly, I sat at a piano and I began to play songs and began to worship God.

Sid: You can’t play, you had a few, I had a few lessons when I was a kid, I was older than you, and I can’t do anything, so I mean you can’t play the piano if you have not been taught.

Joshua: Right.

Sid: It’s not; you don’t just walk up there and play it.

Joshua: the Bible says the Holy Spirit will teach us in all things, and so I was taught by God how to play the piano.

Sid: How long did it take from that point for you to become the worship leader of your church?

Joshua: Well within two and a half to three months I began leading worship in the church.

Sid: Now a little earlier we had you play the piano and worship God and something happened, gold dust was all over your hands and all over your jacket, why?

Joshua: Well it was a sign and a wonder how I came into praise, how I came into worship, how I came to learn to play the piano, and ever since that happened to me I find any time I am worshipping signs and wonders follow.

And signs and wonders just began to manifest during the praise and the worship.”

Endtimespropheticwords comment – It was NOT a ’sign and wonder’ how Joshua Mills came into praise. This is stretching the truth far further than it ought to be stretched, even if he were genuinely divinely inspired to worship God as a teen. 

As to it being a sign and wonder he ‘learned to play the piano’, again this it not the case. Even by his own admission, Joshua Mills admits he had piano lessons as a child, the duration of which he is deliberately vague about. Regardless of what level he got to then of musical accomplishment, drummed into lessons learned as a youngster are NOT easily forgotten and are easily repicked up and then progressed as a teen. And it is no sign and wonder even for a teen with ZERO prior musical training to progress rapidly on a musical instrument of their choice to great accomplishment even when they are teaching themself.

Furthermore, IF Joshua Mills still insists that God has taught him this supernaturally, that his piano playing is a spiritual gift and a miraculous sign and wonder, then where is the sign and wonder manifest in the actual piano playing – apart from in Joshua Mills’ boasts and some cheap gold sparkle allegedly showing up on his clothes while he plays – easily faked along with the dripping oil? If God had so gifted Joshua Mills with the gift of music along with the gift of the gab, would he not be a much better musical maestro than he actually is now, receiving great critical acclaim, even from the secular press – packing the Albert Hall to stunned and rapt audiences to God’s glory and praise?  Yet he does not.

Joshua Mills then claims that other signs and wonders manifest while he supernaturally plays including miraculous healings and instant weight loss and tooth whitening – yet he refuses to supply one documented miracle or verification for any of his far fetched claims - even when he has been repeatedly specifically asked to supply this. Furthermore, people who have attended Joshua Mills’ meetings will testify they saw nothing of the sort he claims manifest in their midst, except from easily faked tricks such as gold dust or feathers from the airvents [the amazing stuff is always happening somewhere else, to someone else, out of sight to be believed on the basis of Mills' own claims rather than on actual experience and real testimony. And by the way, Joshua Mills is not alone in the NAR in this refusal to supply medical evidence or documented testimony for his amazing claims.]

Outrageous Claim #2 – Joshua Mills, Gold Dust and Oil 

“Sid: What is the, I want you to pick one of the strangest signs and wonders that has occurred while you have worshipped God? 

Joshua: Probably the oil beginning to flow out of my hands, because my fingers got slippery on the keyboard.

Sid: I will tell you what, this is not entertainment, this is a God experience, some of you have never had a God experience before, this is your moment.

[This is a 'GOD experience'? Boy, Sid Roth is desperate and has fallen far away from the truths of the gospel.

The dripping oil is hardly some wonder either! Not only it it easily faked - any cheap stage magician could tell you how - but what does this sign and wonder actually point to - apart from allegedly making Joshua's hands so slippery they could hardly play the keyboard as it was slippery - but wait! I thought his hands were guided supernaturally so what differance does the keyboard's state and his fingers slippery state then make?! ]

“This is what you have been asking for, that God loves you so much, open yourself up as we hear Joshua who cannot play the piano, is not a musician, is not a singer, supernaturally goes to the piano and if you look real closely you may see some gold dust.

Joshua let’s go to that that you did earlier.”

Outrageous Claim # 3 – Joshua Mills claims that people who buy his worship CD get caught up into the third heaven, lifted up out of their bodies while driving

Sid: Now just out of curiosity, I understand, that happened here because I can sense the presence of God just as we are talking right now, however when people just listen to this CD are you getting reports of having third heaven experiences where they are caught up into the heavenlies?

Joshua: We are getting so many reports and testimonies from people, they will even be driving down the road and just feel themselves lifting up out of their body, they have to pull over to the side of the road just to take a break just to enjoy the glories of heaven. 

[How to market a worship CD to today's charismatic church, throw in some dubious third heaven claims - note also Joshua Mills talking about being lifted out of the body which is dubious in itself and is more akin to the occult. Oh, and the 'lifted out of the body to the third heaven while driving' claim is a popular one on the charlatans' circuit - they think it sounds really impressive, lots of people linked to Todd Bentley use that one.]

“Sid: I think you know, Joshua is a sign and a wonder when he plays the piano, and when he sings …

[So it is a sign and wonder now when he sings too?!!]

Outrageous Claim # 4 – Joshua Mills claims people instantly lose weight in his meetings miraculously

“… but then signs and wonders occur because he ushers us into the glory, but this is outrageous, people actually instantly lose weight, when they move into the glory?

Joshua: Yes we have seen a lot…”

[The instant weight loss claim is one of the charlatan's favorite ruses as let's be honest, they ply on mainly well-fed Americans among whom obesity is an epidemic. Even for those not actually clinically obese, most in the Western church would like to, are desperate even, to lose some more pounds of flab to look better - especially women. And the desperate and the vain will contribute well to the offering buckets to this end - which these guys well know, hence the claim.

This instant weight loss miracle claim has been made by almost every Latter Rain healer I have ever known-  and the same old story has been going around the rounds for years, about the huge woman shedding about one hundred pounds instantly. The claim almost univerally goes along with the putting hair on bald head anointing - in the same sentance usually.  David Herzog of the Glory Zone whom Joshua Mills also runs with [and whom Sid Roth also promotes] seems to specialise in making weight loss miracle claims, yet David Herzog is another one who will not provide any verification for all the chatter. Oh yeah and Todd Bentley did too [another one Sid Roth pushed], and we all know by now how Todd has been outed for all his lies. 

But specifically onto the weight loses claims by Mills. I am NOT saying this to be rude, to name call or to be personal, but to make a key point. They claim weight loss occurs in the ‘glory’. Yet just as Todd Bentley and Shonnah Bentley were overweight – as were many members of the worship team at Lakeland Outpouring overweight,  and some like Roy Fields grew before our eyes over the summer [probably cos of the junk food and booze],  so both Joshua Mills and his wife, Janet Angela Mills, are both obviously on the chubby side and could obviously do with losing some weight. They cannot manifest what they preach in instant weight loss on their own bodies - so what does this say then about the truth of their claims, and truth of their glory? David Herzog and his wife are both slim and good-looking so they can easily get away with it as pictures of [apparent] manifest health. Joshua and Janet Mills on the other hand ….]

“Sid: Oh, come on, now Josh don’t josh me.

Joshua: I know it sounds crazy Sid, but people are literally losing weight instantly in the meetings as they come.

Sid: How much?

Joshua: Well the first time I ever saw this it was the most dramatic experience I ever had with the supernatural weight loss, a lady lost one hundred pounds of weight on her body, she had a…

{Ah, the one hundred pound weight loss, there it is!]

Sid: How could she be wearing the same clothes if she lost a hundred pounds?

Joshua: Well by the end of the meeting her clothes were absolutely drenched, soaked, and I mean she smelt so bad they sent her to the back room wrapped her in a towel, send her home in a taxi, and she couldn’t wear the same clothes, we have had people in our conferences the next day bring us garbage bags full of their clothes, saying do you know somebody that can wear these clothes because they don’t fit on us anymore …

{Names, addresses of parties and witnesses along with physician’s reports please Joshua.]

Outrageous Claim # 5 – Joshua Mills claims another way to heaven and God

Sid: What is the best way that someone that has never experienced the manifest presence of God, what is the best way to start?

[I do not like the way this is worded by Sid Roth or focused on one bit. It is about experience seeking of alleged manifestations of God in alleged feelings and thrills and experiences, for the sake of one's own titillation, rather than how we really should approach God.

But nonetheless, what an excellent chance for Joshua Mills to present the gospel message on "Christian" TV [a rare message nowadays]  - of how one can know God to enter His throneroom boldly by grace….

But what do we get instead? – not preaching the cross and Christ crucified, rather plugging his own praise and worship CD for money as the ’start’ of the journey . How can a true worshipper of God even do such a dreadful thing? Let alone all the other outrageous lies Mills tells on top and the cheap tricks he manifests …]

Joshua: The best way to start is with your praise, the Bible says that we enter into his court with praise, we come in with praise and then we move a little bit further into worship, and we let that worship carry us into His glory.

Sid: So if someone were to take this CD, would that be a good start.

Joshua: It would be a great start.”

{For who?]

Outrageous Claim # 6 – Joshua Mills claims dental whitening miracles

Sid: Okay, you thought that weight loss was outrageous, wait till you find out about people that have dental work done of all kinds even whitening of their teeth, I mean this sure beats any dentist I know of Joshua….

Sid: Now is it true that God did dental work on people, especially, this intrigues me as I never heard of it before Joshua, peoples teeth would be supernaturally whitened.

Joshua: We have seen different people receive gold and silver fillings, which a lot of ministries have seen,

[but we have got to go one further..]

but up in the Arctic where there are no dentists and there is no ability to go to a dentist we literally saw people getting their teeth cleaned, teeth whitened, straightened out, God just doing supernatural miracles in people’s mouths.

[It is no coincidence these guys focus on shallow surface cosmetic 'fluffy' things - it indicates their shallow side]

Outrageous Claim # 7 – Joshua Mills angler’s tale of the fish wearing new designer sunglasses [you gotta hear this one!]

“Sid: I know I am stretching some of you right now I might as well stretch you all the way, you see in the Arctic area you need sunglasses because the glare could blind you, and so there was a woman out, was she fishing or?

Joshua: She was going out on the water to go fishing, and she had these sunglasses on to keep her direction and when she went out into the water God began blessing her with such a wonderful catch of fish she just continued to pull them in, she was pulling up this big fish Sid, and as she leaned over the boat the glasses fell off her head into the water.

Sid: So this was dangerous, she could loose her eyesight.

Joshua: It was a big situation for her, but instead of being worried, she just knew that she served a miracle working

God and that He would take care of all the problems that she might have, and so she just continued fishing, just continued bringing in the wonderful catch of fish, she was ready to go back, she was pulling in the last catch of the day and as she was pulling in this big fish, she looked down on the fish, here he was wearing a pair of sunglasses on his face. 

Joshua: The fish was wearing sunglasses.

Sid: I have never seen a fish with sunglasses, have you?

Joshua: The wonderful part about this testimony is that it wasn’t the same pair of sunglasses that she lost, but it was a brand new pair, a better pair of sunglasses than the ones she lost.

Sid: So are you really seeing these very strange signs and wonders in the Arctic?

Joshua: We are seeing so many unusual signs and wonders, not just in the Arctic, but all over the world.”

Yeah, right. As the scriptures say, these guys [that is false prophets, false teachers and false apostles aka wolves] make sport of their prey. They feast and delight and revel in making their sport on you, thinking themselves smart - why oh why, church that allows yourself to be deluded and to fall into apostasy, do you let them do this to you? Don’t you love God  anymore?  Do you like being joshed?

For those of you who have been rejoicing over the demise of the Outpouring in Lakeland, God has decided to light a new fire, this time in Australia. The Outpouring that began in Lakeland never died, it’s just been traveling, as Rob DeLuca said it would last year before the meetings in Lakeland even began. You can hear that word here.

Rob said that what happened in Florida would go to England, and it did.  The Dudley Outpouring extended meetings ran for 197 days.  They have now transitioned into equipping meetings to train the people who came.

Rob also said that this would also travel to Australia and New Zealand.  And guess what?  It is.

Roy Fields has been steadily preaching around the world since he left the Florida Outpouring. He is calling this the We are the Generation Tour. The UK leg of the tour saw 1,557 people saved there. His US leg saw 314 people saved.

Now he is in Australia and it appears that the Lord is up to something there. Today was the fourth day of meetings in Brisbane, and today Roy announced that he was canceling meetings and staying in Oz until at least the end of April. In the first four days, they have seen 70 people come to Jesus.

Brisbane Day 4

Here is his report from tonight’s meeting:

Literally from the first song of worship, the presence of the
Lord filled the place as people were focused on Jesus.
Worship lasted 2 hours again for the 5th meeting. Tonight
people gave testimonies of being healed and during the
revival began to receive jobs and bonuses. During the
end of the worship, suddenly Roy shut the band down and
told everyone to put there hands over their ears to hear
the sound of heaven. Some said they heard angels, others
said they heard waters, and some said they even heard
the hooves of horses. Allot of people all heard these
same sounds. Roy preached on “THE MOVE OF GOD” in OZ.
When the altar call was given, 25 decisions were made.

Roy tells about the first three nights in his podcast that’s on the Run with Fire site. They seeing about 650 people a night.

So far there isn’t a live feed, but you can see videos on the Worship Centre Brisbane’s You Tube channel.

There is hunger for revival in Australia and God is sending it to them. Aussies are amazing people, and they have suffered some devastating losses in the last few months. I am tickled to see the wind of God’s Spirit blowing over Australia.

Bill Johnson teaches the principle of first the natural, then the spiritual. Australia has been hit by the most powerful fires they have ever seen. May the fires of the Spirit burn even more brightly and consume the entire continent!

Roy and Melanie Fields arrive at The Hope Center

Sunday’s service was awesome!  The worship was incredible and the presence of the Lord was so sweet.  So many were just worshiping at the altar and at certain points the music would fade away, and all you could hear was the Body of Christ just calling out to Him.  It was glorious.  I was just on the floor and couldn’t get up.

Then Roy got up to minister.  It was so incredible to hear the hunger and passion for the presence of the Lord well up from inside.  It was so great to hear the message of, “We need to stop doing things that don’t produce fruit in the Church”  That message must continue to resonate within the Bride until as one we are hungry and pursuing the Lord and seeing the signs of the Believer manifest everywhere we go!!!  Towards the end Melanie a.k.a. “Fireball”  got up with several words of knowledge and began to minister.  15 people received Salvation! Praise the LORD!

Roy will be back with us on Tuesday night @ 7pm at the Hope Center. We will have a wonderful time in the presence of the Lord and see His Fire released in greater ways.  We are also opening up registration for more to come.  Bring everyone you can who needs ministry and is hungry for more.  We are going to have a great time.

We invite everyone to help us wake up Hampton Roads with the Glorious noise of Heaven!

Your Brother and Servant in Christ,
Pastor Jacob Martin Senior Pastor
The Hope Center
757.321.9811 Office
info@comegethope.com
www.comegethope.com
The Hope Center is currently meeting at:
The Church of the Messiah
816 Kempsville Rd
Chesapeake, VA 23320

Post moved to http://www.offgridworship.com

I Am Thirsty, Hungry

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I am thirsty,
B/D#
Hungry
C#m……………………A
Desperate for Your Presence.
………………E
Let there be less of me
B/D#
More of You
……………C#m
Let there be less of me
A
More of You

Stumble It!

Stumble It!

Roy Fields has two CDs recorded live at the Florida Outpouring.

Roy Fields dot com

Roy Fields on MySpace

Links to additional references to Roy Fields at the end of this post.

Roy’s keyboards:  Yamaha Motif ES8 and KORG Triton Le Workstation

Rain Down/I Am Free

Roy and Melanie Ministering

Roy Breaking the Chains of Religion

Roy with Catherine Mullins singing backup. Thirsty, Hungry

Chords and lyrics for I Am Thirsty

Roy singing How Great is Our God

Other posts that reference Roy Fields:

Chords and lyrics for Show Us Your Glory and We are the Generation

Lakeland Outpouring Worship Musicians

Lakeland Songlist

Chords and lyrics for In the Presence of Angles

Roy’s Itinerary

WWW.FIREONMARSHAMSTREET.COM

Since we started on July 24th we’ve averaged around 500, with salvations and recommitments in each meeting, healings and some wild and wonderful times of impartation.

We are on Marsham Street at the Emmanuel Centre at 7.30pm every Thursday until further notice.

Check back here to see if we are still meeting.

Dates for your diary:

Thursday 13 November – Naomi Dowdy with EEC Band (Naomi planted a church in Singapore in the 70’s, it now has over 5000 people)

Thursday 20th November – Gerald Coates speaking

Thursday 27 November - Jonathan Conrathe speaking

On the nights of FOMS there will be a prayer meeting from 6:30pm to pray for London and the nation.  Free for all, open to everyone.  Come and join us in the lower hall in the Emmanuel Centre.

FOMS has now run for 18 weeks consecutively.  The last meeting of 2008 will be on Nov 27th.  In 2009 there will be a brand new series starting every Thursday in January, 7:30pm, and the Emmanuel Centre, Pioneer, and FOMS websites will be providing details.

Dates recently gone:

Thursday August 14th – Godfrey Birtill led worship and Jonathan Conrathe spoke

Thursday 21st – Gerald Coates and Wee Hian Chua spoke on “where is this awakening going?”

Thursday 28th – Mark Stibbe was a very special guest and Rex Allchurch led worship

Thursday September 4th – David Herzog, Todd Bentley’s associate was with us for the first of his London dates.

Thursday 11th – Jonathan Aitken shared from Psalm 130 and drew heavily from his time served at Bellmarsh Prison. A gospel night

Thursday 18th – Roy Fields, who has been a primary worship leader in Lakeland, led worship and shared with us.

Wednesday 24th – with Gerald Coates and Tom Copson leading worship

Wednesday 1st October - with Jonathan Conrathe speaking and ministering

Thursday 9 October – Christen Forster and the River Church band

This post has been moved to http://www.offgridworship.com

Article By Andrew Strom

“Last week we published a number of strong statements against Lakeland by one of Peter Wagner’s ‘apostles’ named Robert Ricciardelli. For those who are not aware, Peter Wagner heads up an organization devoted to setting in place “apostles” over the  church. This is known as the ‘New Apostolic Reformation’ (NAR), and it has been very controversial. I myself have never seen it as any kind of true “Reformation” – because all it seems to do is set up another level of hierarchy over the existing ones. I also question whether many of the “apostles” are true apostles – but that is another story. Suffice it to say, that Wagner runs one of the most powerful and far-reaching global networks in the Charismatic world.

I don’t know if Peter Wagner fully realized what he was doing when he went down to Lakeland and publicly endorsed Todd Bentley and the ‘revival’ there.

[endtimes note: I cannot see how Andrew can even think this - of course Wagner knew full well what he was doing!]

But clearly he started a rift in his own movement that may very well almost tear it apart.

[endtimes note - I do not agree with this at all, I believe this 'outing' of Bentley was premeditated and planned as it can still further the NAR's agenda.]
 
However, before we discuss this further, it is also important to note that even some “pro-Lakeland” churches are beginning to have second thoughts about supporting that movement – as more factual information begins to emerge about what is really going on.

The following was written by the leader of a “pro-Lakeland” church – and forwarded to me this week. (I have removed the identity of both the leader and the church). This really is an amazing admission for such a “pro-Lakeland” leader to make:

“Hi staff,

We need to talk, probably as a staff, and go through what I’ve found out. I had a long talk with Robert Ricciardelli. He’s no revival critic… He loves revival, believes in healing, prophecy and all the rest and is delighted to hear about the healings we’ve had here. He’s a close friend of Stephen Strader… He’s in an accountability relationship with Lee Grady (editor of Charisma Magazine) and is a writer for Charisma on occasion. He’s part of C. Peter Wagner’s apostolic network, recognized by Peter as an apostle. I’ve seen the man’s website and he’s legit, not a heresy hunter.”

[end times note: again I am totally against the expression "he's legit, not a heresy hunter."  Robert Ricciardelli is NOT legit - his false apostleship does not make him legit - and it should not be forgotten he backed what he himself admits he knew to be a demonic revival from the start for months, during which time he witnessed and tolerated numerous lies and embellishments and kept silent, and only came out against it when Todd Bentley was already exposed and 'finished' after the ABC Nightline report - which many could fairly and reasonably comment looks like his trying to avoid collateral damage/saving his own neck.] 

“The reports he has given me are firsthand, not hearsay.”

[end times note: he is undermining anyone else other than Robert Ricciardelli or anyone else he deems legitimate speaking out and criticising. What I and others critics say is not based on hearsay - it is based on the word of Todd [based on evidence from Todd's own writings and watching Todd perform on the Lakeland stage - so this is not hearsay, it is first hand witnessing] – so it is the word of Todd compared to the  word of God.  The word of God is the only 100% pure and stable thing we can stand on – even compared to what we see with our eyes and it is what we must test prophets by.

“I am deeply troubled, grieved and tormented at what I’m hearing. He attributes most of the anointing at Lakeland to Roy Fields (worship leader). I agree. Roy is nothing but clean ….

[End times note - If Roy were 'nothing but clean' he would not be involved at the Lakeland show and manipulating the audience into a hypnotic frenzy each night - also who is 'nothing' but clean? We are all sinners!]

“…. and God shows up hugely when he leads worship. I can go into detail later about what is surfacing, but there are huge lapses of integrity going on… Much embellishment. Many claims have been made that simply are not true. The Charisma crew has researched it. I want to weep. My heart is breaking. For now, to be safe and for the sake of integrity, we need to stop speaking about the claimed resurrections. Three of them have been checked out with the doctors and EMTs involved and found never to have happened at all. Todd has been confronted with this and has not adjusted the numbers in his claims. Not a single one of the other claimed resurrections can be substantiated despite diligent effort to do so. Even after Stephen Strader brought it down to 13 (and even those couldn’t be substantiated) Todd ran it back up to 27 and more. Misrepresentation and embellishment!

“On the financial front, Todd recently told the crowd that God had told him that there were 1,000 people who would give $1,000 and that they would be blessed 1,000-fold. Robert called Stephen Strader to confront the unbiblical nature of that appeal. It came out that Todd admitted he hadn’t heard that from God, that it was just an idea he had so that they could raise money to build a big stadium. Robert challenged them to issue an apology the following night based on that false claim of being told by God and they refused to do it on the excuse that it’s a different crowd every night.

“That’s the flavor of what I’m finding. There’s a lot more. I’m so grieved I can hardly think. I’m not saying the Lakeland Outpouring is not of God (God is bigger than the men involved), although good men whom I have respected all my life are saying just that (that it’s not of God), based on what they know and have seen…

[End times note - So this pastor cannot discern that Todd Bentley is a false prophet and charlatan, and is consistantly willing to ignore the Bible and indeed common sense, but he is willing to accept the words of a false apostle because he says so?! This is troubling. This means this pastor considers the apostle's authority greater than his discernment and the word of God. People have been saying for months Todd Bentley and the Lakeland Outpouring is not of God and given numerous Biblical (and other) evidence - this guy is willing to listen to his buddies, or the anointed apostles, but not the Bible or anyone else. This really says it all - about elitism, pride and lack of discernment!]

“What I am saying is that we need to back up and not identify ourselves closely with Lakeland and that we need to stop repeating claims being made on the air lest we end up getting splattered with the collateral damage when certain issues of false claims, embellishments and lapses of integrity begin to come out more publicly.

[End times note - Wow! "We need to stop repeating false lying claims from a false lying prophet in case we get splattered by collateral damage if it gets out publically."    Not because of God's command to love truth. Not because of God's command to not bear false witness and give false testimony. Nothing about repentence for decieving and bing decieved. If it's kept quiet, one supposes, it is OK, then to continue to promote it and to lie and to let people be decieved? Wow. Just wow.

What a hypocrit trying to save his/their own skin - I said more people would crawl out of the woodwork, and out some have come not to love truth but to save their own decietful necks! Liars! Thiefs! Hypocrits!]

“By the way, no one is saying that some healings have not happened – only that many false, embellished or unsubstantiated claims have been made. A number of really good men, champions of revival through the years, are actually saying that the whole thing is of the devil and that even the healings are demonically inspired. I want to be clear that I’m not going there…”

So here we have a ‘pro-Lakeland’ church checking out these facts for the first time and now deciding that they “need to back up and not identify ourselves closely with Lakeland.” Pretty amazing!

Meanwhile – back to the topic of “apostles” and what is now happening in Peter Wagner’s main ‘ICA’ organization:

One of Wagner’s apostles, Robert Ricciardelli, put out an email this week saying that he has received a great deal of support for his stand against Lakeland – the majority of it from pastors. And he also made the following very significant statement:

“As a member of ICA, Peter Wagner actually caused many questions to come my way because of my membership there. I will no longer be involved with that organization and actually have not tracked well with them and some of their agendas since I have been involved with them. However, I have enjoyed the many relationships I have developed from going to the annual meetings. Most all of those relationships are also disengaging from their affiliation with ICA, because of many issues beyond Lakeland.”

So clearly Robert is now leaving the ICA – as are other ‘apostles’ that he knows of also. I asked him to clarify this last point.

Robert wrote to me:

“The ICA leadership continues to adopt belief systems without seeking the advice and counsel of members. Many of the members do not, and will not support these beliefs, including the support of anti-biblical behavior and doctrine currently being expressed through Todd Bentley and Freshfire Ministries. In fact as ICA embraces this, they now have taken a stance that will indirectly have to embrace many of the same ministries, including “New Mystic” John Crowder and others. This escalating focus on angels, experiences, trances, etc is far from the focus of Jesus, His Kingdom, and His righteousness… Many of us who really enjoyed the ICA annual conferences are now forced to make a decision as to whether to continue our involvement with them.”

Robert has also stated that he personally was never into “Dominionist” beliefs or the “hierarchical NAR agenda.” His last statement to me was: “I think that there is a chance that many may disassociate with the ICA depending on Todd continuing to reveal his deceptive doctrine and Peter continuing to support such doctrine.”

I wonder if Peter Wagner ever imagined that by endorsing Todd Bentley he may be sowing huge seeds of destruction in his own movement?* -Perhaps only time will tell.”

[End times note - * I do not agree with this point. Lakeland is intended to elevate them in the long run, just as Toronto did. They may lose some folk, but look how many people they have gained! By the way, what's happening to the lifetime covenants that many have sworn to Wagner and his heir Chuck Pierce?]

Not much time to blog this week with Catch the Fire at CBN.  The worship has been amazing.  We arrived a bit late last evening, and I thought sitting in the wings would be a bad thing.  It actually turned out to be great.  I was close enough to have a great view of Roy rocking out on the keyboard.  The sound was so much better than live at Lakeland and on the various broadcasts.

Near the end of the worship, I saw a “picture” of a huge white, warhorse above the heads of the congregation.  His nostrils were flaring, and he appeared to be in a charging stance.  I am asking the Lord for an understanding of what I saw.  It certainly was a powerful image.

The schedule constraints of the conference setting disrupted the atmosphere created by worship, in my opinion.  Thankfully, Roy and Melanie will be at The Hope Center on Sunday and Tuesday.  Intimacy with Father God is the only thing on the agenda.

More, Lord!

…we are entering into our 35th week of OUTPOURING! And the upcoming OUTPOURING Services with Roy Fields are almost full, so that means that you need to register today!  Register by visiting our website.

Yesterday’s OUTPOURING Services was nothing short of Heaven. The Glory of the Lord came in so strong, it was incredible. It was so thick and heavy. The power of the Holy Spirit just kept moving in wave after wave. It was like being at the beach and sitting right at the edge of the water, letting wave after wave just crash over you. The worship was just incredible and right after that I was aware that Angels were present in the service to minister. (Blog owner’s note:  Right before Jacob mentioned this in the service, I sensed the same thing.  I heard the harp playing that I frequently hear at some point during the worship.  A wave also swept over me that I can only describe as feeling like I was brushed by an angel wing.)*  And then right after that the Holy Spirit began to sweep through the room with a wave of power. We had everyone run down to the front and then boom, it hit!

After that first wave, the Lord prompted me to share the following message to the Bride. “It is time for the Bride to come into a daily place of examination of themselves before me. It is time for the Bride to examine themselves and allow me to prune them on a daily basis if they are to have my Glory on a daily basis.”

So many times, Christians are taught just to examine themselves during communion, but the Holy Spirit told me that every time we are in His Presence we are entering into communion with Him as well. And it is time that we constantly examine ourselves and allow the Holy Spirit to continue to cleanse us of anything that would hold us back.

As we were speaking, the Holy Spirit fell again and then boom, it hit!!! There was not even a formal close to the service, just the presence of the Holy Spirit and the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

Heather and I can’t wait to see everyone on Tuesday for our OUTPOURING Service @ 7pm. It’s going to be great and we look forward to worshiping with you all in the Glory!!

Pastor Jacob Martin 

From a bulk emailing dated November 22nd -

“THE ATMOSHERE HAS SHIFTED AGAIN!
by Stephen Strader 

Nov 22, 2008

Dear Ignited Friends and Family,

The Atmosphere has SHIFTED again!

It was about this time last year that we felt a change / shift in the atmosphere over Lakeland, Florida.  It has happened again.  Prophetic words are coming in from many different people that something is about to happen again. 

[endtimes note - aka we need more money so we will pretend something is happening and hype it up]

Greater Miracles!  Greater Outpouring of God’s Spirit and Power!  Here we go!!!My wife Jan and I have just returned from Israel.  It was a tremendous time of physical, emotional, and spiritual renewal.  A HOLY SPIRIT VACATION!  Thank you for your prayers and support! We came home to find our church ON FIRE!!!  Plus…  they honored us with a Pastors Appreciation gifts, cards, and offerings!!!  WOW!!!  Thank you everyone!!! For our precious friends all over the world — you can order the CD’s and or watch the re-broadcasts of all our services ON-LINE at www.ignitedchurch.comThe OUTPOURING of God’s Spirit continues in Lakeland during all services and special events!

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Bishop Darrel Stott, missionary evangelist to Indonesia, will be with us this week, November 23 – 25th.  Sunday night at 6pm and Monday at 7pm and Tuesday at 10am & 7pm.  EST You can watch these services broadcast LIVE on www.ignitedchurch.com There will be NO services Wednesday night November 26th. ==============================

Tuesday, December 2, 7pm, Apostle Ron Johnson returns for another dynamic LEADERSHIP TRAINING.  This meeting is now being viewed and attended by leaders all over the globe! Wednesday, December 3, 7pm, Ron will continue his messages on IT’S HARVEST TIME!  WOW! was this past week awesome! December 4,5,6 we will be at Dr. Shirley Arnold’s church TLC for the apostolic conference in Lakeland, FL…  http://www.tlcfamilychurch.org/   for broadcast details.

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RADICAL INVASION!!!! 

December 12 — 7pm Che Ahn with Jason Lee Jones leading worship

December 13 — 7pm ALL WORSHIP with Jason Lee Jones

December 14 — 10am Stephen Strader   6pm Apostle Jeff Beacham

All services LIVE on www.ignitedchurch.com

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Ignite your NEW YEAR!!!

December 31 and
January 1              — 7pm  ROY FIELDS will lead worship and minister both nights!

January 2 – 3         — 7pm FRANK SEAMSTER with Cathryn Mullins leading worship!

January 4              — 10am  Stephen Strader   6pm  FRANK SEAMSTER

All services LIVE on www.ignitedchurch.com

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Please let us know which services you’re coming to!!!

Let us know if you are watching on the internet!!!

Pastor Stephen”

Note that many of the same old deceivers involved in ’the Lakeland Outpouring’ scam are up to the same old tricks – let us not forget that Todd Bentley was not the only blatant liar, thief, heretic, false prophet, false teacher, greedy merchandiser, blasphemer, abuser, idolotrous one, boaster or sexual pervert there, and not the only one that still needs to repent for his wickedness at Lakeland ….

Beginning on 28th September at Latimer Park in Buckinghamshire, U.K., a 1500 seater marquee will host ‘On Earth as In Heaven’  meetings for a ‘planned’ duration of 8 days [I wonder why they chose 8?! This surely demonstrates its NAR connections whose prophets' favourite number this year is 8 - next year it will be 9 though...]. 

Businessman Gary Grant’s Restore Hope Latimer is hosting the meetings and the event will feature Todd Bentley’s partner in crime associate Roy Fields. 

“There is a very godly momentum in the planning…. “   [see church newsletter] said Mark Stibbe, vicar of St Andrews Chorleywood [the church of the famed Bishop David Pytches, who helped promote the Kansas City Prophets, the same elitist crooks behind Lakeland and Toronto and Brownsville]. Mark Stibbe will speak at this ‘revival’ each night.

Mark Stibbe has been closely associated with the Lakeland Outpouring band-waggon since April and has even visited Lakeland. He has gone so far as to deceitfully defend Todd Bentley, even after news of Todd  Bentley’s charlatanism, extra marital affair and excessive drunkessness hit the headlines – see here: Mark Stibbe on Todd Bentley divorce, for example.

Sadly the following churches, who should all know much better, are supporting this event:-

Amersham Vineyard, Chenies Baptist, Chorleywood Christian Fellowship, Christ Church Chorleywood, Gold Hill Baptist, Holy Cross Sarratt, King’s Church Amersham, King’s Church Chesham, Mill End Baptist, St Andrew’s Chorleywood, St George’s Little Chalfont, St Leonard’s Chesham Bois, St Mary Magdalene Flaunden, St Mary Magdalene Latimer, St Mary’s Amersham, St Michael’s Chenies, St Paul’s Chipperfield, St Thomas’ Holtspur and Trinity Baptist Chesham. 

Note how many of these are ‘mainstream’ denominations, and not fringe charismatic or pentecostal ’sects’ – although it is true to say that despite their apparent ’orthodoxy’ they have to some degree imbibed and embraced fringe and cultic beliefs, while putting aside traditional Bible teaching and discernment.

The church in the UK is infected and riddled through and through with New Apostolic Reformation third wave beliefs. And the sad thing is, it is asleep to it and does not even realise it. WAKE UP! Wolves are more than at your door, they are IN your bed. “Oh Grandma, what big teeth you have”.  [see Prophecy of Little Red Riding Hood Beware]

Needless to say, I advise to have nothing to do with this event and stay away completely.