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<title><![CDATA[The Places that Scare You]]></title>
<link>http://anamchara.com/2009/12/24/the-places-that-scare-you/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Carl McColman</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[The American Buddhist teacher Pema Chödrön has written a book called The Places that Scare You: A Gu]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1590302656/earthmystic" target="new"><img src="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/1590302656.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg" border="0" alt="" hspace="5" align="right" /></a>The American Buddhist teacher Pema Chödrön has written a book called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1590302656/earthmystic">The Places that Scare You: A Guide to Fearlessness in Difficult Times</a>. I haven&#8217;t read it yet, although I like her work and so I hope to one of these days; but I&#8217;m mentioning it because the title alone is, for me, provocative. Sooner or later meditation or contemplation alone will take us to the places that scare us. Indeed, life will take us to the places that scare us. We lose a job, a relationship, a valued possession, our health. Worse than our own suffering is the suffering of those we love. And when loved ones die, or leave in any other way, a huge hole can emerge in our lives that seemingly nothing will fill. The Buddha very rightly noted in the first of his Four Noble Truths that suffering happens. Birth, aging, illness, death, clinging, separation, and other aspects of life all bring us to suffering. And no one likes to suffer, and so the places that scare us (or perhaps I should say, the places that scare <em>me</em>) are those places where suffering will possibly or probably or most certainly will come to me.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1557255903/earthmystic" target="new"><img src="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/1557255903.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg" border="0" alt="" hspace="5" align="right" /></a>Since both Benedictine and Celtic spirituality are all about hospitality, I suppose the obvious question here is, how do we offer hospitality to our suffering, and to the places that scare us? I&#8217;m not sure I buy into Chödrön&#8217;s subtitle: is &#8220;fearlessness&#8221; really on the menu? Granted, Jesus told us to be not afraid; he also told us to be perfect (in that context he was talking specifically about loving those who do evil). I&#8217;m currently reading <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1557255903/earthmystic">The Teaching of the 12</a>, Tony Jones&#8217; commentary on the <em>Didache</em>, and he sees in that ancient manuscript this kind of Gospel-inspired commitment to loving acceptance of even those persons we are temepted to hold in judgment. The Gospel is all about busting through judgment and judgmentalism and embracing radically those even whose actions or behaviors we find scandalous. I don&#8217;t know about you, but I&#8217;m not there yet. Just like I&#8217;m not to fearlessness yet. It seems to me that before we can be fearless or perfect in our love, we have to grow into it. And moving into the places that scare us, and accepting the fact that we are very much afraid, and by the grace of God, doing it anyway, is an important first step. Again by the grace of God, the fearlessness will come, later. But if we wait for fearlessness before we go to the places that scare us, we will probably just wind up immobilized.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0449902927/earthmystic" target="new"><img src="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/0449902927.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg" border="0" alt="" hspace="5" align="right" /></a>I&#8217;ve been thinking about all this a lot lately, not only because I&#8217;m playing with the question of &#8220;tame spirituality&#8221; vis-a-vis &#8220;wild spirituality,&#8221; but also because I&#8217;m having a hard time settling on what my next book project should be. Basically, I have three options: should I explore mysticism again, or should I turn my focus back to something more Celtic, or should I write about my transition from Paganism to Catholicism? Guess which of the three scares me the most (simply because it is the closest to my own heart)? Why, though, should my own story scare me? Because of all the pitfalls I see along the way. I&#8217;m afraid that I will share too much of my own shadow, or that I will project too much of my own shadow onto either Paganism or Catholicism. I&#8217;m afraid that, in an effort to avoid the pitfall of projection, that I will retreat from being honest in talking about my experiences both as a Pagan or as a Catholic. In other words, to write my story, I must be fearlessly honest about myself, but also about all my experience, both in Pagan or in Christian circles. Such fearless confessional writing is different from the rather journalistic task of celebrating mysticism. And I fear that I am not strong enough or good enough to rise to the challenge that such a task presents to me.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0805074678/earthmystic" target="new"><img src="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/0805074678.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg" border="0" alt="" hspace="5" align="right" /></a><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0449902927/earthmystic">Feel the Fear and Do it Anyway</a>, says Susan Jeffers. And I agree with her. Sit in the middle of the fear, and breathe through it. We know we are alive when we go into the places that scare us, not to prove how macho we are, but simply to practice that hospitality that can give birth to true fearlessness. But knowing all this doesn&#8217;t make it any less scary going in. There&#8217;s another book out there that I&#8217;ve never read; it&#8217;s called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0805074678/earthmystic">The Courage to Write: How Writers Transcend Fear</a>. I don&#8217;t know about other writers, but I deal with fear as a writer by bludgeoning my way through it. &#8220;Transcending&#8221; fear is a fine art that I have yet to master.</p>
<p>Maybe the reason why this blog strikes at least one reader as tame is because I&#8217;ve been shying away from the stuff that scares me. I suppose now that this is on my radar screen I need to do something about it. And I will, as soon as my hands stop shaking. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<title><![CDATA[How Important Is Mary’s Virginity? **Updated**]]></title>
<link>http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/12/21/how-important-is-mary%e2%80%99s-virginity/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>pastorboy</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Over at Tony Jones&#8217; blog he raises this question regarding the virgin birth of Christ: The vir]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Over at Tony Jones&#8217; <a href="http://blog.tonyj.net/2009/12/how-important-is-marys-virginity/">blog</a> he raises this question regarding the virgin birth of Christ:</p>
<blockquote><p>The virgin conception of Jesus has been questioned since the beginning of the church.  As early as AD 177, the anti-Christian philosopher Celsus claimed that Jesus himself made up the story of the virgin conception to cover up his own illegitimacy.  Others, including more liberal biblical scholars associated with the Jesus Seminar, have noted that virgin conceptions are common in the birth narratives of pharaohs, emperors, and kings, which indeed they are.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a question that the Emergent movement has struggled with, as we read in Rob Bell&#8217;s Velvet Elvis:</p>
<blockquote><p>What if tomorrow someone digs up definitive proof that Jesus had a real, earthly, biological father named Larry, and archeologists find Larry’s tomb and do DNA samples and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the virgin birth was really just a bit of mythologizing the Gospel writers threw in to appeal to the followers of the Mithra and Dionysian religious cults that were hugely popular at the time of Jesus, whose gods had virgin births?</p>
<p>But what if, as you study the origin of the word “virgin” you discover that the word “virgin” in the gospel of Matthew actually comes from the book of Isaiah, and then you find out that in the Hebrew language at that time, the word “virgin” could mean several things. And what if you discover that in the first century being “born of a virgin” also referred to a child whose mother became pregnant the first time she had intercourse?</p>
<p>What if that spring were seriously questioned? Could a person keep on jumping? Could a person still love God? Could you still be a Christian? Is the way of Jesus still the best possible way to live? Or does the whole thing fall apart? (VE 26-27)</p></blockquote>
<p>The problem with emergent in my view has always been their elevation of doubt over faith, and, indeed, their alignment with the serpent in the garden when they question the veracity of God&#8217;s Word- &#8220;Hath God really Said?&#8221; Tony Jones gives his answer:</p>
<blockquote><p>Miraculous births are an important part of the biblical narrative, most notably the birth of Isaac to the aged Sarah, and the birth of John (the Baptizer) to the aged Elizabeth.  This trajectory culminates with the birth of Jesus. </p></blockquote>
<p>Let us simply address the conception of John the Baptist by Elisabeth:</p>
<blockquote><p>Luke 1:23-24And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed <strong>to his own house</strong>. 24And <em>after those days</em> his wife Elisabeth <strong>conceived</strong>, and hid herself five months, saying,
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<p>Zechariah, the old priest, was told that his wife, Elisabeth, would bear a son named John, as a direct answer to his prayers. The scripture necessarily places Zechariah in his home, and after those days Elisabeth συλλαμβάνω (sullambanō) translated conceived,(literally grasped, caught hold) and in the tense and context it simply means that Elizabeth (for example) conceived naturally with the foreknowledge and help of God. It was miraculous, but significantly different from the conception of Jesus. </p>
<blockquote><p>The Gospels of Matthew and Luke recount that Mary was a virgin when she became pregnant with Jesus, the conception being the result of <strong>impregnation by the Holy Spirit</strong>,(emphasis mine) and the church has held this as a core component of orthodoxy since.  (Some branches of the Christian church have added the beliefs that Mary was still a virgin when Jesus was born (Virgin Birth), that Mary remained a virgin her entire life (Perpetual Virginity), and that Mary herself was born without sin (Immaculate Conception), but none of these is mentioned in the Bible.)</p></blockquote>
<p>This is the announcement of the angel towards Mary, and it differs very much from the situation with Elisabeth:</p>
<blockquote><p>30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, <strong>you</strong> <em><strong>will conceive in your womb</strong></em> and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the <strong>Son of the Most High</strong>. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” 34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?” 35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called m holy—the <strong>Son of God</strong>. 36 And behold, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. 37 For nothing will be impossible with God.</p></blockquote>
<p>More correctly, the Holy Spirit overshadowed (ἐπεσκίασα; to throw a shadow upon, to envelop in shadow, to overshadow:) and did a creative work inside of Mary, so the conception of Jesus was a unique creative act.  This is unique in that, as Mary said, How is it possible since I am a virgin (in the KJV &#8216;know not a man&#8217;) which is accurate in the greek γινώσκω which, as a Hebrew euphemism, is used of the carnal connection of male and female. In other words, virgin, as translated &#8216;young woman&#8217; is improperly translated by Rob Bell. It is more appropriate in the KJV, literally, never had sexual relations. So it is not only the creeds, and the old orthodoxy that states the importance of the virgin birth, it is God&#8217;s Word itself. </p>
<blockquote><p>In every miraculous birth in the Bible, and most significantly in the birth of Jesus, the theological point is that God’s Spirit has been involved in human affairs—actually in the biology of a woman—in order to precipitate the birth of a special, anointed, and holy person.  And the virginal conception of Jesus signals that his direct progenitor is God’s Spirit, and we have since worshipped him as the incarnation of Logos (i.e., the second person of the Trinity).</p></blockquote>
<p>Another false statement by Jones, who tries to cheapen the creative act of the Holy Spirit by reducing it to God&#8217;s involvement, like with other affairs. There is a difference between God&#8217;s involvement with Elisabeth and Sarah in the births of their old age, and the involvement of God in his sovereignty in our everyday lives and the virgin birth of  Jesus. The argument that it is unimportant to the Christian faith is liberalism at best and heresy at worst. In the virgin birth of Christ, we see God directly involved in the incarnation of His Son, (John 1:14) sending Him (John 3:16) to a fallen world. </p>
<p>The virgin birth has its importance in Christology as well as Soteriology; I have addressed this at length in other <a href="http://riveroflifealliance.com">blog posts</a>, so I will not address it here. But Jones&#8217; closing statement of the next to last paragraph sounds like Arianism at its root:</p>
<blockquote><p>Suffice it to say, I think that <strong>God is capable of creating and maintaining Jesus and a sinless person </strong>without needing a lack of semen to do it.</p></blockquote>
<p>This heresy resulted in exiling Arius; perhaps the best answer is for Biblical Christians to exile such teachers from their fellowships. </p>
<p>The closing statement:</p>
<blockquote><p>So, for me, the virginity of Mary is not some forensic, mechanical doctrine that makes sinlessness possible, but is instead a testimony to the miraculous power of God’s Spirit and the <strong>anointing of Jesus</strong> that is confirmed at his baptism.</p></blockquote>
<p>Is also questionable, perhaps a poor choice of words, but it is not about the anointing of Jesus, it is about the incarnation (John 1:14) of Jesus. It is the power of God sending His Son, born of a woman, born under the law (Galatians 4:4) so that, as fully human he could die for our sins, but also begotten (not made) of God, fully and truly God, so that he could bear the full penalty, in three days, of the wrath of God poured out on Him for our sins. </p>
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<title><![CDATA[the Didache   // Tony Jones introduces "The Teaching of the Twelve"]]></title>
<link>http://taddelay.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/the-didache-tony-jones-introduces-the-teaching-of-the-twelve/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>taddelay</dc:creator>
<guid>http://taddelay.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/the-didache-tony-jones-introduces-the-teaching-of-the-twelve/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Only within this past year, I became aware of and interested in an ancient document called the Didac]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Only within this past year, I became aware of and interested in an ancient document called the Didache.  It is an ancient manual of sorts from the early church that many scholars date to 50-70 A.D.  That date makes it concurrent with the earlier gospels and the <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_source">Q</a></em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_source"> source</a>, and also predating much of Paul&#8217;s influence.  In fact, though a few scholars dispute this, the Didache seems to show no knowledge whatsoever regarding the Apostle Paul and his teachings, arguably giving us a window into the narrow sliver of pre-Pauline Christianity.  This is not to dog Paul by any means, but as a central figure in the shaping of late first century Christianity, his particular hermenutics, philosophies, scholasticism, and worldview are of interest to those of us asking this question: just how much did Paul&#8217;s particular worldview alter the course of  Christianity.  I grew up in churches where sermons where derived almost without exception from Paul&#8217;s epistles, and this became more disturbing to me as I became aware of how different &#8220;reading Jesus through the lens of Paul&#8221; is from &#8220;reading Paul through the lens of Jesus.&#8221;  Though both Jesus and Paul came out of the Pharisaic sect of Judaism, Paul was much more esoteric and spiritual-minded (as opposed to a very earthy, Jewish, and political Jesus), with Greek Stoic influence and a much keener interest in marginalizing Torah in his cosmopolitan proselytization.</p>
<p>I became aware of the Didache via<a href="http://blog.tonyj.net/"> Tony Jones</a>.  Jones is a writer I&#8217;ve followed with much interest for a few years, and he recently completed a book on the Didache, titled <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1557255903?ie=UTF8&#38;tag=theoblogy-20&#38;linkCode=as2&#38;camp=1789&#38;creative=9325&#38;creativeASIN=1557255903">The Teaching of the Twelve: Believing and Practicing the Primitive Christianity of the Ancient Didache Community</a></em>.  He provided an mp3 reading of the entire text, a short 17 minutes long, which I reposted below along with a word file of the full text if you are interested.<a href="http://taddelay.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/twelve-3dsm.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2618" title="Twelve-3DSM" src="http://taddelay.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/twelve-3dsm.jpg?w=175" alt="" width="175" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll offer some more thoughts on this key early text in following posts.  It is a practical manual for Christian community, offering directions on everything from how to do Baptism (setting the silly debate over whether sprinkling or dunking was normative in the early church- it was both), Eucharist and who can partake (and I happen to disagree with the Didache here), sexual ethics, admonishments to the wealthy or ungenerous, reiterations of general teachings from Jesus, directions on when to fast or recite the <a href="http://taddelay.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/review-a-prayer-to-our-father-by-nehemia-gordon-and-keith-johnson/">Lord&#8217;s Prayer</a>, and what to think of itinerant teachers and how to know if a teacher is a false prophet.  Didache seems to indicate the pre-Pauline churched looked on preachers with no alternative source of income as false prophets!  *cue up the irony of salaried pastors wishing for a return to early christianity*  This is a question my wife and I have been asking myself recently and just can&#8217;t seem to settle on (whether or not I feel it is ethical to derive a salary from a ministry).  That may have to wait for a later post.</p>
<p>Jones argues that the Didache&#8217;s message on ethics, in contrast to the perfection goal of Paul, can be summed up as this: <em>try your best</em>.</p>
<p><a href="http://taddelay.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/didache.mp3">Didache</a> (audio of the full text, via <a href="http://blog.tonyj.net/">Tony Jones</a>)</p>
<p><a href="http://taddelay.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/the-didache-text.doc">The Didache text</a></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Postmodern youth ministry...a review]]></title>
<link>http://emergingyouth.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/postmodern-youth-ministry-a-review/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>emergingyouth</dc:creator>
<guid>http://emergingyouth.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/postmodern-youth-ministry-a-review/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I first read Tony Jone&#8217;s book Postmodern Youth Ministry during my last year of undergrad studi]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA["The Justice Project"]]></title>
<link>http://taddelay.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/the-justice-project/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>taddelay</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[New book recommendation:  The Justice Project Edited by Brian McLaren, Elisa Padilla, and Ashley Bun]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>New book recommendation:  <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Justice-Project-Brian-McLaren/dp/0801013283">The Justice Project</a></em></p>
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<p><a href="http://taddelay.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/screen_shot_2009-11-02_at_11-20_-37_am_.png"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2584" title="Screen_shot_2009-11-02_at_11.20_.37_AM_" src="http://taddelay.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/screen_shot_2009-11-02_at_11-20_-37_am_.png?w=203" alt="" width="203" height="300" /></a>Edited by Brian McLaren, Elisa Padilla, and Ashley Bunting Seeber, is a eye-opening follow-up to <em>The Emergent Manifesto of Hope</em>.  It continues the theme of approaching a topic, Justice, from an array of voices.  While there were notables such as Tony Jones, Doug Pagitt, Peggy Campolo, and Lynne Hybels, the book mostly consisted of names I’d never heard of, activists working to challenge the status quo from their niches</p>
<p>It was that broad range of experiences that drew me in.  A chapter by Peggy Campolo challenged me with a story of a gay-affirming church here in Arkansas, as well as challenging the typical notion of what “Biblical family values” really are.  Her son Bart explained why campaign finance reform might just be the most important political “Justice” issue out there.  One writer told of her experience in a barely post-Civil Rights black church, which looked up to MLK, Jr. they way we look up to Jesus, and this backed up nicely to stories from South Africa where white anti-Apartheid advocates feared the suspicious, “accidentally” fatal car incidents with cops.  Then a description of Just Conservatism and Just Liberalism.  Samir Selmanovic, author of the newly released<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Its-Really-All-About-God/dp/0470433264/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1260935139&#38;sr=1-1"> </a><em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Its-Really-All-About-God/dp/0470433264/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1260935139&#38;sr=1-1">It&#8217;s Really All About God: Reflections of a Muslim Atheist Jewish Christian</a></em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Its-Really-All-About-God/dp/0470433264/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1260935139&#38;sr=1-1"> </a>has a provocative piece on decolonizing God&#8217;s name.</p>
<p>Particular sections where particularly biting.  The entire book was absolutely replete with Scripture.  An early chapter asks if capitalism can be just.  Has there ever been an economic system that paradoxically produced more good while at the same time producing such imbalance of wealth?  A definition of justice is in order, given that we have to decide whether Justice is distributive or redistributive; is Justice starting where we all are and going from there, or is it inherently redistributing and hence imbalanced against those who start off with more.  The West has traditionally ran with the former while the Tanak inarguably aims at the latter.  The question is whether or not a capitalistic system which, while creating a great deal of good, inevitably creates inequality is a redemptive system.  That takes it pretty far, maybe beyond what I am comfortable with, but it does strike me as true that there will be no room for any inequality in God’s economy.</p>
<p>Then cut to a discussion on immigration reform in which a Latino writer recounts a discussion with a friend.  One asks the other if he also carries his ID with him in his sock whenever he leaves the house so much as just to jog.  It’s a world I cannot imagine, where naturalized citizens of the US live in fear of illegal deportation because of the stories they heard about the unlucky neighbor who forgot his drivers license when jogging.  That neighbor is picked up, presumed illegal, detained and/or deported away from his family.  The author barely has to imply the Scriptures that call for lavish welcoming of the squatter immigrants among us.  It challenged me because I know we need serious immigration reform and laws to guide us.  But I also know that Scripture holds up this ideal for sheltering the alien that many of us consider simply too idealistic.  Maybe it is, but it is Just.</p>
<p>Just ecology.  Just land.  Just business.  Justice in the slums.  Justice in the suburbs.  Just parenting.  Just Trade.  Just church-planting.  Justice in religion.  Justice in racial issues. Just elections.  Just family values.  Prophetic Justice.</p>
<p>This is one of those books that has perspectives that anyone but the most hardened ideologue will have their heart melted by.  I’m really encouraged to see the awakening of much of the church to the Biblical primacy of Justice as integral to the Gospel.  The church’s Justice awakening has gained such a tide that there is even now <a href="http://taddelay.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/a-gospel-beyond-justice/">a resistance to it by Christians who feel we should drop such emphasis on Justice and &#8220;get back to Jesus.&#8221;</a> <em>The Justice Project</em> is one of those books that reminds me why that perspective isn’t much good news at all.  It’s got a perspective to unsettle, teach, encourage, anger, and give hope to anyone.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Twilight Of Emergent Idolatry: New Age Apostasy]]></title>
<link>http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/twilight-of-emergent-idolatry-new-age-apostasy/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Twilight Of Emergent Idolatry: New Age Apostasy is a sequel to the much beloved Tween Apostate class]]></description>
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<p><strong>Twilight Of Emergent Idolatry: New Age Apostasy</strong> is a sequel to the much beloved Tween Apostate classic of Emergent Babel, <strong>Twilight Of Emergent Idols</strong>. These Apostate films are based on the Emergent Twilight book series co-authored by a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephenie_Meyer">female Mormon false religionist</a> and a bunch of Emergent heretics. A bunch of morons more like it! These films are <a href="http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/drbaehr/2009/11/28/voting-for-spiritual-confusion/">spiritual confusing </a>for sure! Why they even teach such confusing and postmodern Emergent ideas as: people have souls, there is good and evil in the world, &#8220;love conquers all,&#8221; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Gospel-Spiritual-Stephenie-Vampire/dp/1854249762#noop">redemption</a>, wholesome values, etc.  Discernmentalists do not be fooled by these apostate values since this book series was written by heretics so therefore these anti-Biblical values are opposed to our core Discernmentalist values of  only the Elect have souls, the world is totally depraved, self-righteousness and war-mongering conquer all, wrath, etc.</p>
<p>We Know with Absolute Certainty these Absolute Truths! <a href="http://www.wretchedradio.com/daily_update_archives.cfm?id=252">Todd Friel</a> using <a href="http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs018/1102797716062/archive/1102857423031.html">Eric Barger&#8217;s </a>Bible Based <a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/2009/12/05/the-truthslayer-guarantee/#comments">Selective Uncomprohensive Cherry-Picking Reading Machine </a>has said of the newest installment in the Emergent Twilight series that it in fact promotes the false teaching of: &#8220;<a href="//bighollywood.breitbart.com/drbaehr/2009/11/28/voting-for-spiritual-confusion/" target="_blank">How to Tell God, ‘You’re not the Lord of me. I’ll do whatever I want’</a>.&#8221; Yes we should fear and be paranoid of fictional books and films this much as True Truthwarriors. Anyways, the newest installment in the Emergent Twilight series&#8212;<strong>Twilight Of Emergent Idolatry: New Age Apostasy</strong> stars all your favorite Emergent heretics: Rob &#8220;Universalist&#8221; Bell, Phyllis Tickle &#8220;Your Ears&#8221; and Tony &#8220;I Have No Truth&#8221; Jones among others and Dakota Fanning whom these evil Emergents corrupt and turn into a <a href="http://apprising.org/2009/12/southern-baptist-convention-and-insightful-emerging-church-heretic-tony-jones/">contemplative Soul-sucking vampire</a>.</p>
<p>Here was sweet little Dakota when she was a Bible-believing <a href="http://www.lifeteen.com/default.aspx?PageID=FEATUREDETAIL&#38;__DocumentId=106317&#38;__ArticleIndex=0">Southern Baptist</a>:<br />
<a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/dakotatcithtcp009.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-4356" title="DakotaTCITHTCP009" src="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/dakotatcithtcp009.jpg" alt="" width="396" height="602" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/pp-01-dakota-fanning-tl.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-4357" title="pp-01-Dakota-Fanning-tl" src="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/pp-01-dakota-fanning-tl.jpg" alt="" width="363" height="544" /></a></p>
<p>And here is Dakota after those Evil Emergents kidnapped her and forced her to star in their sin-promoting movies&#8212;<a href="http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/hounddog-hounded-by-fundamentalists/"><strong>Hounddog</strong></a>, <strong>Twilight Of Emergent Idolatry: New Age Apostasy</strong> and now even more <a href="http://dakota-fanning.org/dakota_films_therunaways.php">heretical movies</a>:</p>
<p>Here Dakota is in an Emergent coven:</p>
<p><a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/dakotanewmoonpstills002.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-4358" title="DakotaNewMoonPStills002" src="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/dakotanewmoonpstills002.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="302" /></a></p>
<p>And the ensuing results of the evil Emergents&#8217; spiritual apostasy are working on Dakota:</p>
<p><a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/dakotaarrivingatlaxoct109006.jpg"><img class="size-large wp-image-4359 alignnone" title="DakotaArrivingAtLaxOct109006" src="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/dakotaarrivingatlaxoct109006.jpg?w=819" alt="" width="491" height="614" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/dakgirl.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-4360" title="dakgirl" src="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/12/dakgirl.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="299" /></a> </p>
<p>See the difference&#8212;We Do&#8212;Absolutely! This is why we Discernmentalists must warn you parents to never take your children to movies that we don&#8217;t approve of &#8212;because your children are too dumb to realize the fine lines between fantasy and reality&#8212;and Emergents blur them constantly. This is why we must set the standard for you and tell you to boycott <strong>Twilight Of Emergent Idolatry: New Age Apostasy</strong> and the like.</p>
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<link>http://anamchara.com/2009/12/10/sorr/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Carl McColman</dc:creator>
<guid>http://anamchara.com/2009/12/10/sorr/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Recently I signed on to be part of a &#8220;blog tour&#8221; — in which different bloggers would rea]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1557255903/earthmystic" target="new"><img src="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/1557255903.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg" border="0" alt="" hspace="5" align="right" /></a>Recently I signed on to be part of a &#8220;blog tour&#8221; — in which different bloggers would read and reflect on Tony Jones&#8217; new book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1557255903/earthmystic">The Teaching of the Twelve: Believing &#38; Practicing the Primitive Christianity of the Ancient Didache Community</a>. I was supposed to write about this book on December 7. Alas, the gremlins of miscommunication did their work, and I did not receive my copy of the book until Tuesday — the day after I was scheduled to offer my .02 to the trans-blogged conversation. My apologies to Tony Jones, to Paraclete Press and to anyone following the blog tour who came to this blog looking for my own unique perspective: obviously, my own sense of ethics mandates that I not write about the book until I have a chance to read it, and given that my life right now is pretty largely devoted to Christmas retail, it may be a couple of days (or so) before I get the book read. But under the rubric of &#8220;better late than never,&#8221; I <em>will</em> read the book, and comment on it as soon as I can, even though the blog tour itself will have officially ended.</p>
<p>In the meantime, if you want to see what other folks have said about this book, visit <a href="http://www.paracletepress.com/didache.html">Paraclete Press&#8217;s <em>Didache </em>page</a> — and scroll down to see links to all the blogs that have written about this book.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Does exegesis matter?]]></title>
<link>http://epistlesofthomas.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/does-exegesis-matter/</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
<guid>http://epistlesofthomas.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/does-exegesis-matter/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[I was reading a devotional book on Jesus when I came across an interesting assertion. It is by Tony ]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[The End is Nigh - The Didache and the Apocalypse]]></title>
<link>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/12/06/the-end-is-nigh-the-didache-and-the-apocalypse/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
<guid>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/12/06/the-end-is-nigh-the-didache-and-the-apocalypse/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[For a month at the box office John Cusack has been working to save his family from the world wide ap]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p><img class="alignleft" style="border:3px solid black;margin:3px;" src="http://northshoremovies.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/2012-movie-poster.jpg?w=121&#038;h=180" alt="" width="121" height="180" />For a month at the box office John Cusack has been working to save his family from the world wide apocalypse of 2012 rightly predicted by the end of the Mayan calendar and some New Age scholars. It certainly makes for a great movie trailer with Cusack driving his RV through Yellowstone as the whole place explodes as a super volcano. A number of world religions point to 2012 not only being the epic showdown between Palin and Obama (OK no religions actually predict that)  but also the end of civilization as we know it. At least that is what Hollywood wants you to believe. Real Mayan scholars dispute much of the hoopla regarding imminent apocalyptic doom just years away, especially if people are basing this prediction on the Mayan calendar. Watching the ridiculousness of Cusack as a hero trying to save his family when literally the whole world is turning against them and trying to link this to any religion is lunacy. It is at once both amusing and encouraging to realize that people outside the church have struggled with how to treat the apocalypse as much as the church has. <img class="alignright" src="http://www.showbizgossips.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/2012-movie-new-image-5.jpg" alt="" width="254" height="143" /></p>
<p>Ever since Jesus ascended from the earth and promised he would return the church has tried with frequent and miserable failure to walk the line between a proper attitude of expectant preparation and active searching for signs that Christ&#8217;s return is imminent. A quick browse through popular Christian bookstores or through the program guide of a Christian broadcast station will reveal that 2000 years later we are still trying, and still failing with frequency, to walk this line.</p>
<p>In the first and second century, apocalyptic literature was very popular. Tony Jones in <em>The Teaching of the Twelve</em>, his look at the ancient Christian document the Didache, points to the expansion of the apocalyptic genre from Daniel through the inter-testimental period, on through the Qumran community and John the Apostle. In the early church this genre was still very popular, especially since the teachings of Jesus himself seemed to indicate he would be right back. You can just imagine the young church sitting around and dreaming up the terror and beauty that would accompany the return of the Lord at any moment. Of course that can also be very distracting to simply living your life.</p>
<p><img class="alignleft" style="border:2px solid black;margin:2px;" src="http://site.paracletepress.com/enews/bookcovers/the-teaching-of-the-twelve-200px.jpg" alt="" width="132" height="195" />So it is with such encouragement and blessing that we read the words of instruction given to young Christians in the Didache. This document was most likely written to instruct catechumens in their daily walk. Here in this primitive Christian community that may have existed in this first generation of the church, this tension between waiting and watching was clearly understood. And the instructions given here may be the key to actually walking this line in the way Jesus intended.</p>
<p>At the end of the Didache we have a short but powerful passage about our call to understand the return of Christ in our daily lives. The text reads:</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>&#8220;Watch over your life, that your lamps are never quenched, and that your loins are never unloosed. Be ready, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:left;">The Didache goes on to further instruct the young Christians to watch out for false teachers, especially the &#8220;world deceiver&#8221; who will come and do iniquitous things that have not been done since the beginning of the world. The language sounds much like Jesus&#8217; words to his disciples in Matthew 24-25 and Paul&#8217;s words to the Thessalonian church. There is evil at work in the world, it will bring with it destruction and suffering for the church, but your job is to be prepared for it and to remain true.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">The real gem of beauty in this part of the Didache is the simple instruction to be ready. It is important for these young Christians to understand that indeed Christ will come again and at his coming there will be the resurrection of the dead and the judgment of all people and the praise of Jesus as Lord by all people. So make sure you are ready.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">It would serve us well as the church to try and practice these simple words of eschatology more often in our instructions to our churches: be ready. Watch your lives, gird your loins, keep the lamps burning and be ready. There are no words of panic or predictions about how soon this will happen, there is just simple advice of what to watch for as these young Christians go about living out their faith.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">At the end of the chapter, where Trucker Franks adds his two cents he says, &#8220;“These people weren’t sitting around<br />
waiting for God to rapture them out of there,” Frank says. “They were doing everything they could to live in the faith<br />
and make the world a better place. They weren’t concerned about when Jesus would come back.”</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">In the majority of books, TV shows, and sermons being offered in our current apocalyptic genre the message is seldom as simple and beautiful as Christ is coming back so be ready. You wonder what we could make room for on our bookshelves if we got rid of all of our apocalyptic writings that are filled with charts and graphs and replaced them with simple reminders to watch and be ready. In this concise and beautiful little instruction book we have indepth instruction about following the way of Christ, living as a sacramental community and worship. But here at the end when it comes to the end times the message is pretty simple and clear. &#8220;Be ready, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.&#8221; Amen.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Didache Primer]]></title>
<link>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/12/05/didache-primer/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
<guid>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/12/05/didache-primer/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Have you read the Didache yet? Tomorrow I am joining in on the Didache Blog Tour for Tony Jones]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Have you read the Didache yet? Tomorrow I am joining in on the Didache Blog Tour for Tony Jones&#8217; new book. There have been some really interesting posts so far this week as people have walked through the first 6 chapters of the book. Head over to Tony&#8217;s blog for his interaction with each post and check out what they are saying.</p>
<p><strong>November 30:</strong> An introduction with  <a href="http://blog.tonyj.net/2009/11/teaching-of-the-twelve-drops-tomorrow/" target="_blank">Tony Jones </a></p>
<p><strong>December 1:</strong> Chapter 1 &#8211; The Most Important Book You&#8217;ve Never Heard of &#8211; with Adam Walker Cleaveland at <a href="http://pomomusings.com/2009/12/01/didache/#more-5053" target="_blank">pomomusings</a> and Thomas Turner at <a href="http://everydayliturgy.com/didache-tony-jones" target="_blank">everydayliturgy</a><br />
<a href="http://http//blog.tonyj.net/2009/12/didache-blog-tour-day-one-chapter-one/" target="_blank">Tony&#8217;s response</a></p>
<p><strong>December 2:</strong> Chapter 3 &#8211; The Didache Community &#8211; Then and Now &#8211; with Ted Gossard at <a href="http://communityofjesus.wordpress.com/2009/12/02/the-didache-community-then-and-now/" target="_blank">Jesus Community</a> and Amy Moffitt at <a href="http://moffou.blogspot.com/2009/12/didache-community-then-and-now.html" target="_blank">Without a Map</a><br />
<a href="http://blog.tonyj.net/2009/12/didache-blog-tour-day-two-chapter-three/" target="_blank">Tony&#8217;s response</a></p>
<p><strong>December 3:</strong> Chapter 4 &#8211; There Are Two Ways &#8211; with Tripp Fuller at <a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/12/03/the-heart-of-god-on-paper/" target="_blank">homebrewedchristianity</a> and with Holly Rankinzaher at <a href="http://happydaydeadfish.blogspot.com/2009/12/how-many-ways-are-there-look-at-chapter.html" target="_blank">happydaydeadfish</a><br />
<a href="http://blog.tonyj.net/2009/12/didache-blog-tour-day-three-chapter-four/" target="_blank">Tony&#8217;s response</a></p>
<p><strong>December 4:</strong> Chapter 5 &#8211; Sex, Money, and Other Means of Getting Along &#8211; with Chris  Monroe at <a href="http://www.desertpastor.com/" target="_blank">Paradoxology</a> and Mike Todd at <a href="http://miketodd.typepad.com/waving_or_drowning/2009/12/the-didache.html" target="_blank">Waving or Drowning?</a></p>
<p><strong>December 5:</strong> Chapter 6 &#8211; Living Together In Community &#8211; with Brother Maynard at <a href="http://subversiveinfluence.com/" target="_blank">Subversiveinfluence</a> and <a href="http://king.typepad.com/" target="_blank">Mike King</a></p>
<p><strong>December 6:</strong> Chapter 7 &#8211; The End is Nigh &#8211; with Greg Arthur at <a href="http://holinessreeducation.com/" target="_blank">Holinessreeducation.com</a> and Mike Stavlund at <a href="http://comingtolife.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Awakening</a></p>
<p><strong>December 7:</strong> Epilogue &#8211; with <a href="http://lukecmiller.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Luke C. Miller</a> and Carl McColman at <a href="http://anamchara.com/" target="_blank">The Website of Unknowing</a></p>
<p><strong>December 8:</strong> Special Question &#8211; Is this text &#8211; The Didache &#8211; really so important? Why? Do we know that it was important to the earliest communities of Christians? with Jonathan Brink at <a href="http://jonathanbrink.com/" target="_blank">Missio Dei</a></p>
<p><strong>December 9:</strong> Special Question &#8211; Does the Didache teach or advise anything that substantively differs from what was decided at the earliest ecumenical church councils (such as Nicaea) with <a href="http://dwightfriesen.com/" target="_blank">Dwight Friesen</a></p>
<p><strong>December 10:</strong> Special Question &#8211; Why is the Didache relevant, in particular today? Is it more relevant today than it was, say 100 years ago? Why? with <a href="http://bobhyatt.typepad.com/" target="_blank">Bob Hyatt</a></p>
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<link>http://thechristianwatershed.com/2009/12/04/some-thoughts-on-original-sin/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
<guid>http://thechristianwatershed.com/2009/12/04/some-thoughts-on-original-sin/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Original sin is the teaching that, in some capacity, humans are guilty of sin and have no choice but]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Original sin is the teaching that, in some capacity, humans are guilty of sin and have no choice but to sin because of our fallen nature. Having done some thinking, the term &#8220;fallen nature&#8221; or &#8220;sin nature&#8221; gives me some problems. The reason is that &#8220;nature&#8221; is synonymous with &#8220;essence.&#8221; So if we have a sin nature then our essence is fallen as well; we have no choice but to be guilty in sin from the moment of conception to our point in death. Our very essence is sinful, an affront to God.</p>
<p>This could work except for one point, that point being the Incarnation. We say that Jesus was fully human. Philosophically, this means that Jesus had a human essence and a divine essence (and therein is the mystery). But this is the problem &#8211; if Jesus had a human essence, but was sinless and not guilty of sin, then how did He have a human essence? It seems we are left with two choices when we choose to use the term &#8220;sin nature.&#8221; Choice 1 is that Jesus wasn&#8217;t <em>really</em> human, but had humanistic characteristics, but being morally perfect and untainted by sin, He ultimately did not share a human essence with us. Choice 2 is to say that Christ was guilty of sin by having a human essence, thus making Him a sinner like us. Neither choice is Biblical and both are heretical, which is why I&#8217;m having difficulty believing that we have a &#8220;sin nature.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, there&#8217;s the problem that all humans choose to sin, but Christ did not. So what can we say?</p>
<p>I would put forth the theory that at the point of the fall of humanity, our wills were damaged. The will would be the ability to follow through follow through on a choice, or where to direct our actions. A weak will would allow us to make wrong choices, or at least cause us to lack the ability to go through with what we believe to be right all of the time. A weak will would allow us to deprave ourselves to the point where we desire evil and act on evil. But this does not mean Christ had a weak will; it is entirely possible that His will was perfected. Let me explain:</p>
<p>Tim was born with a deformed leg and therefore cannot run. Johnny was born with properly functioning legs and therefore has no problem running. We can look at Tim and realize that had there not be an external agent of change (something within his genes or development within the womb) he would have grown the ability to actualize his essence. That is to say, both Tim and Johnny have the capacity to run, but an external agent prevented Tim from actualizing his capacity.</p>
<p>Or we can look to Heather and Sally, born in 1900. Heather was killed by a disease at the age of 3. Sally died of old age at the age of 93. In 1901, both Heather and Sally had the capacity to become adults, it was a part of their essence. By 1904, an external agent had taken away Heather&#8217;s ability to actualize her capacity for &#8220;adultness,&#8221; but regardless both Heather and Sally shared the essence of being human. Just because one was given the ability to actualize a part of her essence while the other had an external force negating such an ability does not mean that one was human while the other was not. It simply means that both held the same essence and had the same capacities, but due to certain circumstances, one was able to actualize one&#8217;s capacity while the other was not.</p>
<p>Thus we come to Christ. We can say that the human will for most humans (with the exception of Christ) is damaged, thus meaning we are not properly functioning. It is within our capacity as human beings to have a fully functioning will, but we are all born deformed. Through the Incarnation, Christ was the only human ever born who has the ability to actualize His will to perfection. This would mean that human beings are fallen in the sense that their wills are broken, but we still share the essence with Christ. We have the same capacity He did in this regard, but only He was able to actualize His capacity while we are unable to do so.</p>
<p>Anyway, these are just some thoughts and I&#8217;m certain my argument lacks clarity. I&#8217;m simply throwing this out there for discussion to see if (1) we can really accept the traditional view of original sin and (2) if the alternative offered would be a better view.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[A Modern Translation of the Didache]]></title>
<link>http://nearemmaus.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/a-modern-translation-of-the-didache/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Brian LePort</dc:creator>
<guid>http://nearemmaus.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/a-modern-translation-of-the-didache/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[You can access a free, modern English translation of the Didache by Tony Jones here.]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[An Optimistic Skepticism: My Take On the Manhattan Declaration]]></title>
<link>http://mikegehrling.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/an-optimistic-skepticism-my-take-on-the-manhattan-declaration/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>mikegehrling</dc:creator>
<guid>http://mikegehrling.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/an-optimistic-skepticism-my-take-on-the-manhattan-declaration/</guid>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>In late September, a group of Christian leaders from the Evangelical Protestant, Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox branches of the Church gathered in Manhattan and drafted a document now called the <a href="http://www.manhattandeclaration.org/">Manhattan Declaration</a>. The document was released a couple weeks ago on November 20, signed by a number of Christian leaders representing all three of the branches of the Church. The Declaration is a call to Christians and non-Christians to join the signers in affirming and defending three &#8220;fundamental truths.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>1. the sanctity of human life.</p>
<p>2. the dignity of marriage as the conjugal union of husband and wife.</p>
<p>3. the rights of conscience and religious liberty.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since it&#8217;s release in November, the Declaration&#8217;s website has invited other Christians to sign the declaration. As of my writing this, the document has been signed by more than 208,000 Christians. I&#8217;m not one of them&#8230;. yet.</p>
<p>When I read the Manhattan Declaration, there was much that I found commendable, but I also thought that too much went unsaid, and I remain skeptical of its effectiveness.</p>
<p>First, I appreciate the emphasis on unity among Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox voices. The signers from all three branches claim a common heritage. The Declaration begins:</p>
<blockquote><p>Christians are heirs of a 2,000-year tradition of proclaiming God’s word, seeking justice in our societies, resisting tyranny, and reaching out with compassion to the poor, oppressed and suffering.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Declaration then goes on to give concrete examples of this common tradition. It recalls Christians in the Roman Empire rescuing discarded babies from trash heaps and remaining in cities to tend to the sick and dying rather than fleeing, like many did. It celebrates the role monasteries played in preserving literature and art, the role of Christians like John Wesley and William Wilberforce in ending the slave trade in England, and the Christian women who headed up the suffrage movement in America. It even celebrates the Christians who participated in the Civil Rights marches of 50s and 60s (something many evangelicals are less-quick to stand in solidarity with). I think this is easily the best part of the Manhattan Declaration, as it highlights some of the greatest examples of faithfulness and commitment to justice in the Church&#8217;s history.</p>
<p>The Manhattan Declaration also very evidently seeks to be honest, thorough, and compassionate. Even as the document celebrates faithful Christians through the ages, it also acknowledges &#8220;the imperfections and shortcomings of Christian institutions and communities in all ages.&#8221; When speaking of issues of life, the Declaration doesn&#8217;t only address abortion and euthanasia, but also says that genocide, human trafficking, exploitation of laborers, and innocent victims of war are all symptoms of the sam problem. When speaking of homosexuality, the Declaration says,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We have compassion for those so disposed; we respect them as human beings possessing profound, inherent, and equal dignity; and we pay tribute to the men and women who strive, often with little assistance, to resist the temptation to yield to desires that they, no less than we, regard as wayward. We stand with them, <strong>even when they falter.&#8221; </strong>(emphasis my own)</p></blockquote>
<p>In spite of its strong points, I&#8217;m still skeptical for a number of reasons.</p>
<p>First, when speaking of marriage, the Manhattan Declaration falls short of fully addressing the problem. The document laments the erosion of the dignity of marriage, evidenced by increasing divorce rates, increasing amounts of sexual co-habitation outside of marriage, and an increasing inability to consistently define marriage. It also confesses the Church&#8217;s failure to uphold the dignity of marriage within the Christian community. This is only half of the problem, though. Our culture, and even more so the Church, has lost a healthy view of singleness. The reason so many co-habiate or are sexually active before marriage is not only because we&#8217;ve failed to uphold the dignity of marriage, but also because we&#8217;ve failed to uphold the dignity of singleness. The word &#8220;single&#8221; or &#8220;singleness&#8221; isn&#8217;t once mentioned in the Manhattan Declaration.</p>
<p>The main source of my skepticism, though, is in the expectations of those who have drafted and signed the declaration. The declaration does a fine job of articulating the three &#8216;fundamental truths&#8217; and the threats that are challenging them today. It&#8217;s less strong in articulating concrete next steps that we&#8217;ll take as Christians.</p>
<p>In his book <em>The New Christians</em>, Tony Jones notes that a critique of the liberal church (those Christians on the opposite side of the theological spectrum from the drafters of the Manhattan Declaration) is that they&#8217;ve gone from being &#8220;revolutionaries&#8221; to being &#8220;resolutionaries.&#8221; In other words, the liberal Christians who fought for social justice at the turn of the 20th century by the century&#8217;s end had gained the reputation of addressing justice issues by (un)simply passing resolutions at denominational meetings instead of getting their hands dirty. It seems that the conservative side of the spectrum has gone in the same direction. Paul Louis Metzger has noted this trend in his book <em>Consuming Jesus,</em> as has Tony Campolo in his book <em>Can Mainline Denominations Make a Comeback?</em>.</p>
<p>I hope  that the Christians signing the Manhattan Declaration will take seriously the heritage the Declaration claims for the Church of Christians through the ages tending the sick, serving the poor, and standing in solidarity with the oppressed and outcast. I pray that they&#8217;ll take seriously the problems and threats to justice that the declaration identifies, and that their response will go beyond merely signing a document. The Manhattan Declaration will only bear good fruit if it&#8217;s followed by concrete actions. May we be found faithful.</p>
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<link>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/11/30/mondays-are-for-birthday-ramblings/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[My Jesus Year Well today is my birthday and I turn 33. I have joked with several pastor friends that]]></description>
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<p>Well today is my birthday and I turn 33. I have joked with several pastor friends that I am starting my Jesus year. Jesus was about 33 in his last year of ministry, so there are big expectations for this year. Seriously though, my 20&#8217;s are so gone. They are so distant that I can&#8217;t even remember what it felt like to be 25 anymore. I must just go ahead and have a bit of a third of life crisis today. I plan on living to 99, so now I only have 66 more years to get all my work done. What can I possibly accomplish in 66 years, seriously? I still have to become a legendary classical guitarist, learn Russian and Spanish, write 5-6 books, get my PHD, and travel the globe (especially trips to London, Rome, Alaska, Hawaii, Brazil, and some barely known exotic place people are somewhat awed and mystified when I tell them I have been there kind of place like Madagascar, a remote village in the Andes or Dubai). Anyways that is a long list, so I better stop rambling and get along with it.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didache" target="_blank"><strong>The Didache</strong></a></p>
<p>The Didache may be the most interesting Christian text you have never read. This ancient document from either the late first or early second century is a Christian handbook developed for communities of new believers. It is a fascinating read and it has wonderful application to each of our lives. Why am I talking about a 1900 year old book? Well Tony Jones has written a new book/commentary on it and I have invited to be part of a blog tour that will review the various chapters of the book. Next Sat/Sunday I will put up a post with my review of one of the chapters and that post will be linked to by Paraclete Press and Tony&#8217;s blog. So if you want to join in read the <a href="http://www.paracletepress.com/didache.html" target="_blank">Didache here at Paraclete or get your own copy</a>. I have found it to be a spiritually stimulating read.</p>
<p><strong>Reflecting on a month in Eternity</strong></p>
<p>For the first for weeks of November our church worked our way through a series focusing on life after death, resurrection, heaven and hell, and the return of Christ. Looking back over the past month and the conversations I had with my congregation around it I am convinced it was one of the most important sermon series I have ever been a part of. This is not to place any undue praise at my own feet, but to recognize that immense need I found in people&#8217;s lives to better understand the true hope of our faith. I used a lot of different materials for the series, but the most comprehensive one I can recommend is Surprised by Hope by Bishop NT Wright. This is a phenomenal work.</p>
<p>The main discovery I had during this series is that many Christians have no idea what our hope for eternity is really built upon. They longed to better understand God&#8217;s promises for life after death but have been unable to adequately extrapolate those teachings themselves and have seldom received more than a cursory instruction on them from the churches they have been a part of. So my encouragement to each of you is to really spend some time looking at scriptures  teachings on resurrection, the new heaven and the new earth and the return of Christ. Don&#8217;t go and make time lines or pie charts or anything like that, but go and listen to the consistently hopeful voice of scripture about eternity. Too many of us are living inadequate lives today because of our inadequate understandings of eternity.</p>
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<link>http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/brannon-howse-warns-that-emergents-are-actually-communistic-atheists/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Brannon Howse using GOIP Tech and STRETCH Technology&#8217;s Hellescope discernmentalizes that Emerg]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.worldviewtimes.com/article.php/articleid-5597/Brannon-Howse/Brannon-Howse">Brannon Howse</a> using GOIP Tech and <a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/prepare-for-the-slaughtering-of-the-truth/">STRETCH Technology</a>&#8217;s <a href="http://donjobson.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/brannon-howse-on-mixing-things/">Hellescope</a> discernmentalizes that <a href="http://www.abercrombie.cc/map.html">Emergents</a> are actually Atheistic Communists:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Emerging Trouble</strong></p>
<p> The pastors and authors of one of America&#8217;s fastest growing spiritual movements, the Emergent Church, sing the praises of socialism. As I&#8217;ll explain in more detail later, the Emergent Church champions the neo-Marxist call for a utopian society through spiritual evolution where good and evil merge to form a &#8220;better&#8221; third option. This idea derives from the belief system of philosophers such as Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel and finds its contemporary manifestation in the &#8220;Third Way&#8221; movement of Bill Clinton and Tony Blair. In the Third Way, capitalism, socialism, and communism merge to form a misanthropic combination of the three. This blending is now represented in the terms &#8220;the New World Order&#8221; and &#8220;the new enlightenment.&#8221;</p>
<p> The Third Way promotes Communitarianism, a toxic blend of communism, socialism, atheism, and Cosmic Humanism. Communitarians believe in universal health care, government-subsidized housing and education,<a href="http://www.noteviljustwrong.com/?aff_id=109"> radical environmentalism</a>, Fabian socialism, and the like.</p>
<p>An article on the website of the Democratic Leadership Council explains how Clinton and Blair have promoted Third Way thinking across the globe:</p>
<p>On Sunday, April 25, 1999, President Clinton and the DLC hosted a historic roundtable discussion, &#8220;The Third Way: Progressive Governance for the 21st Century, &#8220;with five world leaders including British PM Tony Blair, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Dutch PM Wim Kok, and Italian PM Massimo D&#8217;Alema, the First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton and DLC President Al From.[4]</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Starting with Bill Clinton&#8217;s Presidential campaign in 1992, Third Way thinking is reshaping progressive politics throughout the world. Inspired by the example of Clinton and the New Democrats, Tony Blair in Britain led a revitalized New Labour party back to power in 1997. The victory of Gerhard Shroeder and the Social Democrats in Germany the next year confirmed the revival of center-left parties which either control or are part of the governing coalition forming throughout the European Union. From Latin America to Australia and New Zealand, Third Way ideas also are taking hold.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Not to be hoodwinked by the window dressing of Third Way advocates, however, Vaclav Klaus, prime minister of the Czech Republic, warns against the real future it offers: &#8220;The Third Way is the fastest route to the Third World.&#8221;[5] But that seems to be where communitarians want to take us.</p>
<p><strong>Grave Influence: 21 Radicals and Their Worldviews that Rule America from the Grave</strong></p>
<p>This is it, the one book you need to read if you want to understand the big picture, connect all the dots, and understand current times, and future events and trends that will be unfolding. This ground-breaking book by best-selling author Brannon Howse is the result of thousands of hours of research over many years and is must reading for every teenager and adult.</p>
<p>Brannon reveals how the worldviews of 21 dead people are still influencing every aspect of American life and vying for the hearts and minds of adults and students. Whether we are discussing, law, science, economics, history, family, social issues, education or religion, the people and worldviews seeking to further their agenda in these disciplines are almost always connected back to four major forces. Brannon reveals the connection between occultism/pagan spirituality, the apostate church, the educational establishment and government/corporations.</p>
<p>Through this book you will come to understand the oppositions worldview, heroes, goals, strategies, masking terms, networks and targets. Those who share the worldviews of these 21 enemies of our constitutional republic and Biblical worldview do not want their agenda and its consequences to be revealed to the American people. Above all, they do not want us to equip and train our children and grandchildren with a Biblical worldview by which to recognize, reject, and fight against their seductive and destructive lies. This book will equip you to do just that as Brannon gives specific and pro-active responses you can take to make this the finest hour for the American church.</p>
<p>Here is the list of twenty-one for which Brannon has dug up worldview facts you must know and prepare to oppose:<br />
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Saul Alinsky, Karl Marx, John Dewey, John Maynard Keynes, Aldous Huxley, Charles Darwin, Friedrich Nietzsche, Margaret Sanger, William James, Alice Bailey, Helen Schuman, Sigmund Freud, Alfred Kinsey, Benjamin Bloom, B.F. Skinner, The Frankfurt School, Soren Kierkegaard, Julius Wellhausen, Christopher Columbus Langdell, Betty Friedan and Roger Baldwin</p>
<p><strong>Topics covered include:</strong></p>
<p>Corporate fascism, sustainable development, the Third Way, global governance, dialectic process, the Delphi technique, the Cloward-Piven Strategy and deliberate chaos, community organizing, Fabian socialism, the federal reserve and a fiat currency, America&#8217;s decline is Europe&#8217;s gain, cultural Marxism, government mandated youth service, legal positivism, postmodernism, soft-despotism, higher-criticism, pagan spirituality, feminism, welfare-state capitalism, the false-dominate church, the Emergent Church, the spiritual battle for America, the United Nations and occultism, unmasking the one-world religion, the deconstructionists in the culture and in the church, psychological labeling of dissenters, behavior modification, a planned economy, the assault on parental authority, the two tracks to globalism, Keynesian economics, collectivism, similarities between America and Nazi Germany, national leaders are a reflection of the people, social justice, why the culture war is lost if the church goes weak, is God judging America?, When and why does God judge a nation?, the environmentalist/globalist connection, cultural revolution/sexual revolution, the right to die becomes the duty to die, the true purpose of the law, why the State wants the children, are we all God&#8217;s children? And much, much more.</p>
<p>Click here to order now:<br />
<a href="http://www.worldviewweekend.com/secure/store/product.php?ProductID=1044">http://www.worldviewweekend.com/secure/store/product.php?ProductID=1044</a></p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.worldviewweekend.com/traininginstitute/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-4191" title="Fascist Calvinazi Worldview Brainwasing" src="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/fascist-calvinazi-worldview-brainwasing.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="138" /></a></p>
<p>We agree that <a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/mike-morrells-romanist-leanings/">Emergents</a> are Absolutely evil. Just look at how a typical Emergent looks:</p>
<p><a href="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/evil_josh_normal.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-4192" title="Evil_Josh_normal" src="http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/evil_josh_normal.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="538" /></a></p>
<p>This is why ye must avoid those evil Emergent heretics: <a href="http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/2009/11/atheists-view-of-christians-christians.html">Iggy</a>, <a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/11/23/how-open-is-god/">Tripp Fuller</a>, <a href="http://thegroundworks.blogspot.com/2009/08/reality-and-skepticism.html">The Groundworks</a>, <a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/is-god-a-recovering-practitioner-of-violence/">Mike Morrell</a> and <a href="http://theopoet4camp.blogspot.com/">TheoPoet</a>.</p>
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<link>http://emergingyouth.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/youthworks-takes-over-ys/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>emergingyouth</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[As many of you already knew, there had been a strange brew mixing over the past month or so with You]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Subway®: "First, allow me to apologize."]]></title>
<link>http://aixelsyd13.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/subway%c2%ae-first-allow-me-to-apologize/</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[So, I fired off two more emails&#8230;  One to Subway, and one to my new friend Mr. Jones at Quiznos]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>So, I fired off two more emails&#8230;  One to Subway, and one to my new friend Mr. Jones at Quiznos.  No response from Mr. Jones yet, but we do have one from Subway.  I&#8217;ll share it all below!</p>
<p>OK, so email one, to Subway:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:x-small;"><strong>From:</strong> ERiC AiXeLsyD world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.com<br />
<strong>To:</strong> &#8220;Bridenbaker, Mack&#8221; m.bridenbaker@sfaft.org<br />
<strong>Cc:</strong> Paula Gomez gomez_p@subway.com; Kevin Kane kane_k@subway.com; Anna Marie Seeley seeley_a@subway.com<br />
<strong>Sent:</strong> Mon, November 23, 2009 10:24:20 AM<br />
<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: Subway [</span><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:x-small;">Customer ID: 1918316</span><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:x-small;">]<br />
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Hello Mr. Bridenbaker,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been over a week since your email to me saying that Ms. Gomez would address my concerns and I&#8217;ve yet to see any sort of response.  I still haven&#8217;t had a reply to my initial message to Ms. Seely, or  from <em>anyone</em> on your team.  I&#8217;m disappointed in the lack of comment overall, my first message which was sent on Oct. 28th has still gone unanswered.</p>
<p>I now understand why the employees in your stores have an &#8220;I don&#8217;t care&#8221; attitude.  It trickles down from the top, and certainly must be passed on in franchise owners, hiring, &#38; training.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed at your total lack of concern for the decline of your once championing establishment.  I should perhaps pass on my shellfish allergen and cross-contamination concerns to some allergy awareness groups.  Perhaps allergy awareness lobbyists will warrant some attention.  Everyone I know already hates Jared and the $5 footlong commercials, so I don&#8217;t need to push the issue on that one.  The concept of cheese tessellation will obviously elude the average sandwich artist from now until the end of time, so we have no hope there.</p>
<p>Perhaps in copying Quiznos&#8217; idea of toasting subs, you should also adopt their business model in using better quality ingredients and customer service policies.  I have had a continued dialog with them regarding your lack of customer service and their seemingly misleading Toasty Torpedo ads with the very tiny hands.  They proudly stand behind their ads<em> (however creepy)</em>, their innovation, <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong><em>and</em></strong></span> their customer service.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not signed.  On purpose.  Notice all the Cc&#8217;s, <em>everyone </em>hates that&#8230; I don&#8217;t care who you are.   I tried to poke at every issue and make empty useless claims about allergy awareness groups, and I brought up that Quiznos is the trend-setter while noting that they&#8217;re also not perfect.</p>
<p>And, on a friendlier note to Quiznos, I decided to reveal my intentions to an amicable Mr. Jones:</p>
<blockquote><p>From: <strong>ERiC AiXeLsyD</strong> world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.com<br />
Date: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:22 AM<br />
Subject: Re: The Quiznos Toasty TorpedoT ads?<br />
To: &#8220;Jones, Tony&#8221; TJones2@quiznos.com</p>
<p>Thanks Tony,</p>
<p>I must confess, I do have <a rel="nofollow" href="../" target="_blank">a blog</a> and I have been chronicling my email escapades there.  I like to play them as part consumer advocacy, part humor and all goofy.  I used to write <a rel="nofollow" href="../2009/11/18/pre-wald-world-and-lunar-domination/" target="_blank">snail mail letters</a>, but email has made it so much easier &#38; faster.  Some friends have encouraged me to keep writing, so I have.  I really enjoy the open &#38; honest dialogue that we have going on, and appreciate that you stand behind the product &#38; integrity of your company&#8230; and take the time to respond to emails such as mine.  Also, you obviously have a sense of humor, which has to be a &#8220;must&#8221; for any kind of customer interaction.  I&#8217;m sure you get goofier emails and phone calls from <em>actual</em> crazy people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m intrigued at your suggestion that I get into consulting or franchise journalism.  Do you know how I would even go about this?  Would I need to obtain a degree in something?  I hope to grab followers to my blog just for amusement, but am unaware as to how to make it a profitable venture, ha ha ha.</p>
<p>Thank you once again for your time, I&#8217;m actually waiting to hear from <a rel="nofollow" href="../2009/11/20/if-were-keeping-score-thats-subway-1-and-quiznos-3%c2%bd/" target="_blank">some of your Quiznos colleagues</a>, and Subway has still not given me a response beyond &#8220;someone will respond&#8221;&#8230; not that I&#8217;m at all surprised by that at this point.</p>
<p>Rock on!<br />
<span style="color:#888888;">-Eric</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Hopefully he writes back in a positive light, and still finds all of this amusing.  Still waiting for further comment from his other colleagues, none of which have really delivered so far.</p>
<p>And, now, the fun part&#8230; Subway&#8217;s response (or lack thereof):</p>
<blockquote><p>From: asksubway@subway.com<br />
Date: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM<br />
Subject: Subway<br />
To: world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.com</p>
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<p>Monday, November 23, 2009</p>
<p>Dear Mr Aixelsyd:</p>
<p>First, allow me to apologize. Secondly, I would like to thank you for taking the time to contact us and share your comments.</p>
<p>At each SUBWAY® restaurant, it is the goal of every owner; manager and employee to produce each sandwich and salad properly made to order.</p>
<p>Our customers provide us with valuable input, which we use to improve our operations. Your comments were shared with the regional office in your area as well as the owner of the SUBWAY® restaurant that you have visited.  Since all restaurants are individually owned and operated it is the owner who would be the person to contact you in response to your concern.</p>
<p>I have gone ahead and copied our Training Department so that further lessons can be addressed with owners and their employees on proper handling.</p>
<p>Again, I appreciate you taking the time to contact us. SUBWAY® looks forward to your continued visits.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Paula Gomez</p>
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<p>Heh.  &#8220;First, allow me to apologize&#8221; not followed by an apology is extremely profound, and hopefully intentional.  Then, she thanks me for writing, probably through gritted teeth.</p>
<p>This line reeks of copy &#38; paste:  &#8220;At each SUBWAY® restaurant, it is the goal of every owner; manager and employee to produce each sandwich and salad properly made to order.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, I love the long winded <em>&#8220;it wasn&#8217;t me&#8221;/&#8221;it&#8217;s not my fault&#8221;/&#8221;it&#8217;s not my problem&#8221;</em>:  &#8220;Your comments were shared with the regional office in your area as well as the owner of the SUBWAY® restaurant that you have visited.  Since all restaurants are individually owned and operated it is the owner who would be the person to contact you in response to your concern.&#8221;  Basically, she&#8217;s telling me that I&#8217;m being ignored by a lower level.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have gone ahead and copied our Training Department so that further lessons can be addressed with owners and their employees on proper handling.&#8221;  With what?  Cross-contamination?  Cleanliness?  Cheese tessellation? How to reply to customer emails?</p>
<p>&#8220;<a id="post_tag-check-num-0"></a>SUBWAY® looks forward to your continued visits&#8221; &#8230;so we can spit in your food?  Did she <em>read</em> my emails?  Perhaps this whole thing is just a reading comprehension issue.  I find it amusing that the e Subway spokesperson declined to comment.  Perhaps now is the time to move into old-school W(aL)D mode, and reply that Subway will not be allowed on the moon when I&#8217;m emperor.</p>
<p>Are there any psychologists or psychiatrists out there reading this?  I&#8217;d love to get your take <em>(&#8230;if you can tell me without telling me what my own problems are, ha ha ha)</em>.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t been following,you<em> may</em> want to check out the back-story rundown here:  <a title="If we’re keeping score, that’s Subway 1 and Quiznos 3½." href="http://aixelsyd13.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/if-were-keeping-score-thats-subway-1-and-quiznos-3%c2%bd/" target="_blank"><strong>If we’re keeping score, that’s Subway 1 and Quiznos 3½.</strong></a> That should explain the last email, and at the bottom there&#8217;s a rundown of all the ones that came before it<em> (with links)</em> if you&#8217;re interested.</p>
<p>Also&#8230; lots of people have been telling me they&#8217;re following&#8230; by word of mouth, or <a title="Facebook &#124; AiXeLsyD13" href="http://www.facebook.com/aixelsyd13" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, or <a title="Twitter &#124; AiXeLsyD13" href="http://www.twitter.com/aixelsyd13">Twitter</a>, and even via text message&#8230; but I beg you, if you&#8217;re reading&#8230; post a comment here, and others may have a comment about<em> </em>your comment.  I see by the stats that people are reading.  Don&#8217;t be shy.  We&#8217;re all friends here.  Except for you, people at Subway&#8230; Except for <em>you</em>.</p>
<div id="_mcePaste" style="overflow:hidden;position:absolute;left:-10000px;top:57px;width:1px;height:1px;"><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:x-small;">Customer ID: 1918316</span></div>
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<title><![CDATA[Comparison: Rick Warren vs. Truth... Is Purpose Driven Church Deceptive?]]></title>
<link>http://truthinator.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/comparison-rick-warren-vs-truth/</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Deception Driven Church? You decide&#8230;   Stuart L. Brogden compiled this comparison between wha]]></description>
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<div>Stuart L. Brogden compiled this comparison between what Relevant Rick teaches in <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Purpose Driven Church</span> and what the Bible teaches.</div>
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<p>All the work of all men contains error.  That I perceive error in Rick Warren’s work is not note worthy.  But the repeated patterns of false teaching over 20 or more years and 25 million or so books combine for something to take notice of.  This book proclaims an Armenian, man-centered view of the world and its Creator, claiming all the while to be a Biblically sound God-centered work.  I think it is actually Biblically bankrupt, gilded with the false gospel of pragmatism.  As subtle and dangerous as the serpent in the garden, Warren calls us to believe a lie.</p>
<p>Curious – Many people have criticized Rick Warren by calling him a disciple or associate of Robert Schuller.  Warren has denied in this in myriad letters and articles, wanting to put distance between himself and the father of “possibility thinking”.  So why does Warren include Schuller’s effusive endorsement of this book (on the third page of the endorsements in the front of the book)?  And why does so much of Warren’s instruction sound so much like Schuller (see quotes at the end of this review)?</p>
<p>“The Purpose Driven Church” (PDC) is a humanistic, psychological view of how to handle a church, sprinkled with scripture in whichever translation or version can most easily be used to allegedly support Warren’s claims.  Whereas “The Purpose Driven Life” started out with a truth and spent itself in contradiction, so does PDC – claiming rightfully (page 14) “Only God makes the church grow” – and spending nearly 400 pages telling man how to manipulate people into something that only looks like church growth.</p>
<p>The foreward is a sugary sweet, sappy tribute from a once credible W.A. Criswell.  In his opening statement, Criswell declares that “God could not have a given me a more beloved and effective ‘son in the ministry’ than Rick Warren.”  You know a man is wrong when he limits God or assigns human characteristics to Him.  Criswell claims Saddleback “has grown <em>without compromising the mission or the doctrine</em> of a New Testament church.”  (Italics in the original.)  We shall see.  Criswell parrots the Schuller/Warren principal – “If churches are to be successful in evangelizing our society, which is becoming more pagan by the day, they must learn to think like an unbeliever.”  (Sic)  Right there, Criswell shows that he has lost sight of the New Testament church.</p>
<p>In what appears to be the introduction, Warren tells us the church must “look for the spiritual waves” of church growth, saying “because our churches haven’t been taught the needed skills, we are missing the spiritual waves that could bring revival, health, and explosive growth to our churches.”  Evidently, Warren’s Bible is not adequate instruction to the church or its members on the topic of spiritual outreach and discipleship.  He shows us right off that he is focused on “growth”.  And in this introduction, as well as throughout the book, Warren pays lip service to God while heralding and teaching humanistic methods.</p>
<p>It appears, even in the introduction, that Warren has slipped into an Armenian worldview, saying churches need to ask, “What barriers are blocking the waves God wants to send our way?”  (pages 15 &#38; 16)  Poor, God Almighty – needs the church to move barriers out of the way.  Warren tells us (page 17) “the key issue for churches in the twenty-first century will be church <em>health</em>, not church growth.”  He then goes on to tell us, same page, that he’s “been a student of growing churches” for over twenty years. </p>
<p>On page 18, Warren rightly lauds the Bible, and then declares, “My greatest source of learning, however has been watching what God has done in the church I pastor.”  This pragmatic view – study men and how to motivate them &#8211; pervades this whole book, and everything of Warren that I’ve read.</p>
<p>In Part One, page 26 &#38; 27, Warren reciprocates Criswell’s sappy sweet foreword, quoting a Criswell prayer/prophecy of church growth for Warren, convinced that God had called him to pastor a church – sounding much like a mutual admiration society.  Warren admonishes us (page 27) to not “copy things we did without considering the context”, but to look at the “transferable principles”.  We will see what these “transferable principles” are shortly. </p>
<p>Still on page 27, Warren states, “Very little of Saddleback’s ministry was preplanned.”  Remember this claim.  He then devotes the balance of chapter 1 describing all the planning that went into the “planting” of Saddleback.  His research led Warren to conclude that the pastor is the key figure in the health and growth of the church, describing the pastor as the “daddy” of the church!  Any church that has this view of its pastor has already failed. </p>
<p>In spite of telling us that only God grows the church, Warren’s research drew him to the fastest growing population center in the country, a fact that “grabbed me by the throat and made my heart start racing.”  Lots of people moving into an area typified by upper middle class Americans certainly set a solid stage for numerical growth – a very pragmatic view. </p>
<p>On page 38, Warren recommends a list of preachers he heard on the radio.  While several on Warren’s list are sound pastors, he recommends to his reader Robert Schuller and John Wimber as well.  No disciple of Christ should recommend these false teachers to anyone, much less the wide and long term audience of a book. </p>
<p>And on the next page, Warren says that, with Saddleback, he ”determined to <em>begin</em> with unbelievers, rather than a core of committed Christians.”  Consider this statement carefully.  In the first case, the church is comprised of believers, not those who don’t believe.  By purposefully refusing to build his church surrounded by mature saints, there was nobody to hold Warren accountable as a preacher.  Who in this group of lost folks that he gathered could understand anything spiritual?  The Bible tells us those who are lost cannot discern spiritual matters.  A “pastor” with only lost people in his “church” is no pastor.  What Warren started was an evangelistic outreach to middle class lost Americans – not a church.  Near the end of this page Warren tells us he spent <em>12 weeks</em> studying lost folks in order to know what his “church” should be like.  “No planning” went into the founding of Saddleback, he told us.  Studying heathens, rather than scripture, was how he planned Saddleback.  Apparently without any elders or other biblical safeguards, he was swept away by one of the “spiritual waves” he was surfing for.</p>
<p>Page 44 – “pastor” Warren excitedly recounts how Saddleback “caught a wave”, when over 200 heathens showed up to the service designed with them in mind.  While many churches have operated in temporary settings, Warren touts Saddleback’s “homeless” years as if they were a special virtue.  Thankfully, he recounts a proper understanding of the Great Commission (page 46), yet he leaves this reader wondering how many of his “seekers” make it around the “bases” to becoming a “servant-hearted Christian.” </p>
<p>Starting on page 47, Warren uses “conventional wisdom” to create several straw-man myths to knock down.</p>
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<li>“Myth #1: The Only Thing That Large Churches Care About Is Attendance.”  While many have rightfully pointed out the tendency of many large churches to focus too much attention on attendance, I have never heard of any rational person saying it’s the <em>only</em> thing.  Warren’s own words, with the series of “if” statements leave out the essential bit of the Gospel, wherein the lost are confronted with their sin and the attendant need of a Savior.  He “validates” his Gospel-lite by observing, “it’s happening all over the world.”  On page 49 we are told that “Intentionally setting up a strategy and a structure to force ourselves to give equal attention to each purpose is what being a purpose-driven church is all about.”  None of Warren’s 5 listed purposes (page 49) convey the Gospel of Jesus Christ.</li>
<li>Myths 2, 3, &#38; 4: Once again, Warren touts all-or-nothing myths that are, in truth, common failings among many churches.  In talking about purpose #4, Warren discloses that his view of church discipline consists of dropping from membership those rogues who fail to fulfill the membership covenant.  I don’t think that’s what the Lord tells us in Matthew 18.</li>
<li>“Myth #5: If You Are Dedicated Enough, Your Church Will Grow.”  Any pastor who believes this “myth” has lost sight of Who builds the church.  To counter “good, godly pastors” who are dedicated yet have churches that are not growing, Warren provides a prescription that follows the same rabbit trail as his “myth” – relying on human effort.</li>
<li>“Myth #7: All God Expects of Us Is Faithfulness” In the short list that follows, Warren tells us we must also bear fruit (true) and makes it sound as if we can make ourselves be fruitful.  Bearing spiritual fruit is the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of saints, not a trait the person can develop.</li>
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<p>Let me take a break and say that I think pages 64, 65, 68 – 79, and 393 &#38; 394 are sound teaching.  Not all in this book is worthless or dangerous, but even these passages are mere “spiritual cotton candy”.</p>
<p>On page 77, Warren uses metaphorical, non-Biblical definitions to build a case for churches being driven.  In Scripture, the word drive and derivatives are used in conjunction with people being punished.  Those being treated kindly by God are led, as sheep, not driven.  Context is key to proper interpretation, and Warren strips a word out of its Biblical context and uses its tertiary meaning to lay the foundation for his whole trademarked “driven” model, pulling people away from the Biblical view of how God leads His children.</p>
<p>Near the bottom of page 79, Warren gives a welcome warning to not “allow seekers to drive the total agenda of the church.” – but I must confess that this book, as a whole, leads me to believe Warren allows “seekers” to drive entirely too much of his church’s agenda. </p>
<p>After listing, on pages 77 – 79, seven things that should not drive churches (tradition, personality, finances, programs, buildings, events, and seekers), he reveals, on page 80, “What is needed today are churches that are driven by purpose instead of by other forces.”  And, “You must begin to look at everything your church does through the lens of five New Testament purposes”.  Warren’s 5 purposes are culled from scripture, but, again, churches and saints are to be led by the Spirit of God – not driven by anything.  And his 5 purposes are not “the lens” of the Word.</p>
<p>On pages 86 &#38; 87, Warren uses different Bible paraphrases to ensure the word “purpose” is used.  On page 91, he tells us that the church in Philippi was “captivated by Paul’s mission” (Philippians 4:15); whereas Paul makes it clear that he preached Christ crucified and resurrected – people were captivated by Christ and led by His Spirit, not Paul’s “mission”.</p>
<p>On page 93, we are pointed to scripture for the correct question, but led to Warren’s self-proclaimed mentor, heathen business guru Peter Drucker, for the diagnostic standard: “Your church’s purpose statement must become the standard by which you measure your congregation’s health and growth.”  Oops.  I thought the Bible and the Holy Spirit give us everything needed to live a righteous life in Christ Jesus (2 Peter 2:1 – 3)</p>
<p>Page 95: Warren tells about a church that he claims was “theologically sound” and “sound asleep”.  He says, “the church leaders had become lazy and lethargic.”  That does not sound like a “theologically sound” church to me.  It appears to be labeled as such to create a straw man to be knocked down by Warren.</p>
<p>On the next page, Warren tells us, “Prior to starting Saddleback Church I took six months to do an extensive, personal Bible study on the church”.  Remember page 27 – not much planning went into Saddleback?  As part of Warren’s Bible study on the church, about a third of his listed scripture passages are from the four Gospel accounts – they describe Christ’s life, but not the church.  Remember – most of the life of Christ took place <em>before</em> the New Testament church was founded.</p>
<p>In Part Two, Warren describes “the 5 purposes for the church” – Biblically sound purposes but not completely sound in his exposition on them.  “Purpose #3: Go and make disciples.  This purpose we call <em>evangelism</em>.”  One must indeed evangelize (preach the Gospel to) lost folks before they can be discipled, but the focus of this aspect of the Great Commission is on the making of disciples – not evangelism.  Seeker sensitive churches are widely critiqued as being ineffective in discipleship – this error may explain that, in part.</p>
<p>In describing Saddleback’s purpose statement, Warren notes “three important distinctives”, the first of which is, “it is stated <em>in terms of results</em> rather than in terms of activity.”  This is a common failing of man – trying to control the results of his activities; pragmatism defined.  (From John MacArthur: “What is pragmatism?  Basically it is the philosophy that results determine meaning, truth, and value–what will work becomes a more important question than what is true.  As Christians, we are called to trust what the Lord says, preach that message to others, and leave the results to Him. But many have set that aside.  Seeking relevancy and success, they have welcomed the pragmatic approach and have received the proverbial Trojan horse.”)  Throughout His Word, God calls His people to obedience – not to results.  Often, the results He brings about are not what man expects or would seek.  I believe the Biblical pattern is to remind us that our efforts have no merit before God – only the work of Jesus does. </p>
<p>On page 109, Warren sums up his argument for your church to adopt his purpose-driven model by saying, “To do less <em>is to leave to chance</em> the great responsibility we’ve given by our Lord Jesus Christ.”  (emphasis mine)  This is another glimpse into what appears to be Warren’s Armenian view of God.  And if recommending Schuller and Wimber are not enough, Warren touts David (or Paul) Yonggi Cho’s occult Central Church in Seoul, Korea.  This man has written &#8220;You can create the presence of Jesus with your mouth.  He is bound by your lips and by your words.&#8221;  He and Schuller are fans of one another and disciples of the risen Lord Jesus should view neither of them credibly.</p>
<p>In chapter 6, Warren teaches pastors how to communicate their purposes.  He reviews the narrative of Nehemiah’s rebuilding of the wall around Jerusalem and discovers what he calls, “the Nehemiah principle”.  Since the Jews working on the wall grew discouraged after 26 days of work, Warren projects that onto every church and declares, “<em>Vision and purpose must be restated every twenty-six days to keep the church moving in the right direction.</em>”  Certainly, a degree of repetition is a hallmark of effective communication.  But the larger issue is that of deriving a key principle from a narrative contained in scripture.  This is a dangerous practice, the best example I can think of being Bruce Wilkerson’s subtly deceptive book, “The Prayer of Jabez”.</p>
<p>On pages 113 and 114, Warren encourages good personal management techniques – once again showing how to create “good results” by manipulating people and calling it God’s work.  “People tend to do whatever gets rewarded, so make heroes of people in your church when they do the work of the church.”  God tells us not to seek the applause or rewards of men, but to trust God who is faithful to reward those walk by faith, not by sight.  Biblical leadership often flies in the face of accepted “good personal management techniques.”</p>
<p>Warren stays on track into chapter 7, opening with a story about George Whitfield and John Wesley.  Whitfield preached 18,000 sermons to 100,000 people but left no organization behind, whereas Wesley left us the Methodist denomination – as if what we can see today determines the value of the work these men did.  And as far as I can tell, the Lord Jesus did not leave us much of an organization – what would Warren say about His legacy?  Further in this chapter, pages 126 &#38; 127, Warren recommends false teachers among others who are Biblically sound.  Check out the teachings of Dallas Willard, Richard Foster, and Peter Wagner – men who think themselves modern prophets and apostles of the church. </p>
<p>In discussing Saddleback’s “5 Circles of Community”, pages 131 and following, Warren tells us he focuses evangelism efforts on those who have already attended his church.  He is either derelict in failing to send witnesses out into the lost world or admitting his “church” is fairly well full of lost folks.  He admits that a heathen cannot worship God, but is “convinced that genuine worship is a powerful witness to unbelievers if it is done in a style that makes sense to them.”  Genuine worship is a spiritual act and impossible for a lost person to comprehend.  But note that Warren emphasizes the <em>style</em> of worship, as if the emotional connection with the music can save anyone.  And this from a man who adamantly maintains style and methods don’t matter in justifying his use of all sorts of culturally relevant music and drama.  He goes on to say, “If an unbeliever makes a commitment to regular attendance at Saddleback, I believe it will be just a matter of time until he accepts Christ.”  With Warren’s declared determination to avoid preaching the law or anything that would convict a lost person of his sin, one wonders what in Saddleback would cause anyone to be saved.  Time hanging with supposed saints won’t save anyone unless the Gospel is preached – which does not appear to happen at Saddleback.</p>
<p>On page 133, Warren describes Saddleback’s membership covenant, which requires “a commitment to three spiritual habits: (1) having a daily quiet time, (2) tithing ten percent of their income (Nowhere in scripture are Christian instructed – even implicitly – to tithe, but give as the Spirit of God leads and not under compulsion. &#8211; 2 Corinthians 9:6 &#38; 7), and (3) being active in a small group.”  This sounds like the chains of legalism – whereas the Bible tells Saints to be led by the Spirit in such matters.  He sets up this disclosure by describing people who are “dedicated to growing in discipleship” … “but they have not yet gotten involved in ministry.”  This is a contradiction in terms, indicating that pastor Rick has a non-Biblical definition of discipleship. </p>
<p>Warren says, “Jesus started where people were – at their level of commitment – but he never left them there.”  I do not see this when I read the Bible: lost folks have NO commitment to Christ.  He says Jesus “didn’t lay any heavy requirement” on John and Andrew, but every Jewish boy <em>knew</em> the total commitment required when a Rabbi bid one, “come”.  Further on page 135, Warren claims that Christ did not issue “his ultimate challenge to the crowd” until these people had hung around Him for three years and saw the ways in which He loved them.  “Jesus was able to ask for that kind of commitment only after demonstrating his love for them and earning their trust.”  Unlike sinful man, Jesus the Christ does not need to <em>earn</em> anything before He speaks Truth to anyone.  Warren puts too much emphasis on the lost person rather than on the Gospel. </p>
<p>In chapter 8, Warren tells us “There are ten areas you must consider as you begin to reshape your church into a purpose-driven church.”  Where in Scripture are pastors advised to “reshape” the churches they shepherd?  He says he cautions other churches to <em>not</em> clone Saddleback, yet lists 10 mandatory “principles”, 5 purposes, and his own “circles of influence” that these churches must embrace.  “Notice that I suggest you grow your church from the outside in, rather than from the inside out.”  Read the book of Acts – the church was made up of saints and disciples who were sent out into the cities, the reverse of what Pastor Rick suggests.  “The problem I have found with an ‘inside-out’ approach is that by the time the church planter has ‘discipled’ his core, they have often lost contact with the community and are actually afraid of interacting with the unchurched.”  This is another indication that Pastor Rick knows very little of Biblical discipleship, but at least gives credit for this backwards idea where it is due – false apostle C. Peter Wagner!</p>
<p>On page 139, we find out that the first year of Saddleback, when ostensibly everyone was lost except (?) Pastor Rick, he “preached very simple, straightforward evangelistic series such as ‘Good News About Common Problems’ and ‘God’s Plan for Your Life.’”  There are pop-psychology messages with a Bible flavor – not evangelistic, or Gospel, presentations.  How can he say that “most of them (the 200 attenders) were brand new believers.” considering his messages?  God’s Word shows the error of this approach: “<em>Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man&#8217;s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.  <strong>But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.</strong></em>”  1 Corinthians 2:12 – 14</p>
<p>In a highlight box on page 156, we are admonished, “Never criticize any method that God is blessing!”  Yet all the criteria Warren urges us to use are that which the eye can see, and ignores the Biblical command to “<em>test all things, hold on to that which is good</em>” (1 Thessalonians 5:21), with “good” being in accordance with God’s view.  On page 157 we are urged to use market research to determine “when, where, and how” evangelism should be pursued and on page 158 tells us a church “driven by market forces rather than the Word of God” will be “unstable and unbiblical.”  One page is wrong, one is right. </p>
<p>Page 160, Warren continues in his study of man as first priority: “I must pay as much attention to the geography, customs, culture, and religious background of my community as I do to those who live in Bible times if I am to faithfully communicate God’s Word.”  The Word of God cannot be understood or communicated unless one seeks to know the literal, grammatical, and historical context of the text.  Nobody in scripture paid that much attention to the spiritually dead people they encountered.  They proclaimed the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus and commended men to believe on Him!</p>
<p>Pastor Rick advises us to tailor the presentation based on the worldly concerns our “crowd” is perceived as having – resulting in a false gospel that might as well be delivered by Joel Osteen.  By telling lost folks how God can make their marriage better, we teach people to look to the Lord for temporal rewards that satisfy our flesh.  But in truth, lost people need to know they are dead in sin, convicted by the Law, so they might realize their deepest need and cry out to the Lamb of God for mercy.  If “god” makes their life more comfortable and they are not confronted with their rebellion against the Holy Creator God, we have made their path to hell all the more pleasant – heaping judgment on ourselves (James 3:1).</p>
<p>Opening up chapter 10, page 173, Warren declares, “Even a casual reading of the New Testament will show that the Gospel spread primarily through relationships.”  Relationships are important, but the Gospel was and is spread through the <em>preaching</em> of it – mostly to people the preacher knows only superficially.  In the next page, we are told, “The people your church is most likely to reach are those who match the existing culture of your church.”  This is true if you do not make disciples and send them out into the world to proclaim the Gospel to all tongues and nations.  The church is not intended to be a reflection of the culture – it is, by definition, counter culture and intended to make a difference in the world.  Warren’s advice is for the church to be conformed to patterns of the world, contrary to Romans 12:1 – 2.</p>
<p>Pastor Rick reinforces this un-Biblical nonsense on pages 188 – 189, where we are told to think like lost people.  This is Warren’s interpretation of the scriptural mandate to “understand the times”?  He shows a shallow view of the Lord: “Jesus <em>often</em> knew what unbelievers were thinking.  He was effective in dealing with people because he understood and was able to defuse the mental barriers they held.”  (emphasis mine)  We are to believe that Jesus sometimes did not know what people were thinking – a limited God.  Warren tells us Christ relied on popular psychological theory in order to effectively deal with His creatures.  And we are once again told, “We must learn to think like unbelievers in order to win them. … “The problem is, the longer you are a believer, the less you think like an unbeliever.”  The Bible tell us the old man is dead – we have been re-born as children of God and are now “a peculiar people”; that we are to be salt and light; that lost folk love darkness because their deeds are dark; and that we are not to hide our light under a bushel.  Pastor Rick thinks the church exists to be valued by pagans!  Paul gives a different prescription in 2 Corinthians 4:3 – 6: “<em>But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus&#8217; sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.</em>”</p>
<p>You can read many objections from Rick Warren anytime someone publicly associates him with Robert Schuller.  But again, on page 190, Warren shows us how big an impact Schuller had on him.  It should not be a surprise that so many of Schuller’s people pleasing ways are embraced and endorsed by Warren.  Near the bottom of Page 191, this pearl: “The unchurched aren’t asking for watered-down messages, just practical ones.  They want to hear something on Sunday that they can apply on Monday.”  Warren’s idea of church is to help lost folks have a better life, according to the world’s standard.  The Creator’s idea of church is for the saints to come together for worship, discipleship, fellowship, and be sent into the world proclaiming the life, death, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus.  And yes, we welcome lost people into the church – we simply don’t expect them to be comfortable there.  They should be confronted with the Word of God and their sinful nature.</p>
<p>Warren’s own “tale of success” in the early days of Saddleback tells the sad truth in what is left unsaid.  He defined Saddleback as “a church for the unchurched”, and he attracted many of them, summing up with, “You have to decide who you want to impress.”  Warren wants to impress lost folk – his charge, however, is to honor God.  On page 195: “This is the heart of Saddleback’s evangelism strategy: We must be willing to catch fish on their own terms.”  Fish don’t want to be caught!  And lost men do not seek after God.  His Word doesn’t tell us to be on the same wavelength as lost men, He tells us to be fishers <em>of</em> men – different from them, with a mission they cannot understand.  Warren tells us (page 197) that he has determined that Jesus had no “standard approach” in evangelism.  He is talking about “style points”, not content or motive.  I am convinced that a careful reading of the New Testament shows that Jesus did have a “standard approach.  Evangelist Ray Comfort sums it up thusly – “With the Law we break the proud heart; with the gospel we heal the broken heart.”  And, “If we care about the lost, we will not hesitate to speak to them about sin, righteousness, and judgment … the way Jesus did.”  In Mark 10:17 – 22, the Lord used the law to expose the rich man as idolater, in John 5:45 – 47, Jesus confronts the Jews with the accusation of the Law of Moses.  In John 4:4 – 26 the Lord seeks out the woman at the well and uses the law to gently confront her with her sin – violating the 7<sup>th</sup> commandment.</p>
<p>On page 219, Pastor Rick says, “Jesus often established a beachhead for evangelism in a person’s life by meeting a felt need.”  And he cites not one example &#8211; because there are none.  Dr. Luke records this encounter with the “crowd”: “<em>And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them<strong>, If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.</strong>  And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.</em>”  (Luke 14:25 – 27)  The Apostle John recorded this encounter (John 6:24 – 27):  “<em>When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.  And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?  Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, <strong>Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.</strong>  Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.</em>”  And in verses 52 – 61: ”<em>The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.  Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.  As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.  This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.  These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.  Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?  <strong>When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?</strong></em><strong>” </strong> Culminating in verses 65 &#38; 66: “<em>And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. <strong> From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.</strong></em>”</p>
<p>Jesus doesn’t sound like Rick Warren.  To Whom shall we listen?</p>
<p>Ever the pragmatist, Warren tells us (page 224) that a passage in Luke 4 is all about Jesus “meeting needs and healing hurts.”  Jesus used that well known passage from Isaiah to establish His claim as Messiah, not “meet needs or heal hurts”.  On page 230, he beats the same drum: “The unchurched are not asking that we change the message or even dilute it, only that we show its relevance. …  I’ve found that the unchurched in America are very interested in Bible doctrine when it is applied in practical and relevant ways to their lives.”  What I’ve observed is that lost folks – whether they be “churched” or “unchurched” – want their ears tickled.  They want to be told that God loves them and wants them to be healthy and wealthy – things that are “practical and relevant”.  This is why prosperity gospel pimps such as T.D. Jakes and Joel Osteen can fill up stadiums!  The Word of God tells us to preach the simple Truth and not work to earn the approval of men.  Lost folk do not need motivational messages on how to “live large with Jesus” – they need to repent and be saved.</p>
<p>Warren thinks (page 232) that the major purpose of Christ’s parables was to entertain folk and ensure they would remember His story.  But in Matthew 15, Mark 4, Mark 7, Luke 8, John 10 and other passages, His very own disciples failed to understand the parable and sought an explanation.  And while Pastor Rick cites Matthew 13:34, he did so as a proof-text, as verse 35 makes clear: He spoke in parables to fulfill scripture, not to satisfy the felt needs of unchurched Harry.  But if His purpose was as Warren claims, why did so many people need – and still need – an explanation of them?  To close this question, the Lord Himself gives us the answer in Matthew 13:10 – 13 (<strong><em>And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?  He answered and said unto them, Because</em></strong><em> <strong>it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. </strong> For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.  Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.</em>)  And Luke 8:9 – 10 (<em>And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?  And he said, <strong>Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand</strong>.</em>)</p>
<p>On page 241, “America’s Pastor” tells us “More people are won to Christ by <em>feeling God’s presence</em> than by all our apologetic arguments combined.”  This is a false argument: apologetics is not what wins people to Christ – the Gospel does that.  It is by preaching the Word of the Lord that people are saved – not by feeling anything.  He ascribes the salvation of the 3,000 people recorded in Acts 2 to their having felt God’s presence.  But the Bible makes it clear that the Spirit of God empowered Peter and it was the Word of God proclaimed by Peter that caused the response.  Read Acts 2:1 – 36 to see the set-up and the message of Christ crucified.  Then in verses 37 &#8211; 41: “<em>Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?  Then <strong>Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins</strong>, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.  And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.  <strong>Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.</strong></em>”</p>
<p>Do you perceive these people were saved by having “felt God’s presence” or by the Word of God piercing their sinful hearts?</p>
<p>Page 243, Warren joins countless seeker sensitive fans by misappropriating 1 Corinthians 14:23.  Paul’s main argument was not to restrict the use of tongues so lost people wouldn’t think them foolish – this is a final argument in Paul’s long, passionate discourse against the improper use of this spiritual gift.  His main point was to encourage the saints to speak in a known tongue so others in the church could understand them.  It’s almost “and by the way, don’t you see how a heathen who might wander in here could think you mad?”  It was not normative in the early church for lost people to fill up the meeting place.  The church was of and for believers.</p>
<p>On pages 244 and 245 Warren furthers his humanistic view that unchurched people ought to have their felt needs addressed from the pulpit.  He again tells us these unchurched “expect to hear the Bible when they come to church.”  How would such a person know what to expect from the Word of God?  Go back to 1 Corinthians 2:12 – 14.  Pastor Rick tells us “They are looking for solutions, not a scolding.”  The problem for Rick and other seeker sensitive pastors is that unless a lost person is confronted with his condition (being dead is sin) he will not see any value in the Lamb of God.  The Gospel is not a scolding – but neither is it offering solutions to life’s circumstantial problems.  Warren instructs, “Design one worship service to edify believers and another service to evangelize the unchurched friends brought by your members.”  He then describes how he has marginalized the Saints by devoting weekends at Saddleback to lost folks.  We can readily surmise that Saddleback is a church on Wednesday evenings, but not on Saturdays or Sundays.</p>
<p>In chapter 14 – Designing a Seeker-Sensitive Service, Warren once again relies on and recommends a false prophet to make his point – citing “Apostle” Peter Wagner on page 267:  “When you run out of space, you experience what Pete Wagner calls ‘sociological strangulation’.”  But many churches have experienced true fellowship and spiritual growth while struggling with the logistical constraints of what experts see as too little space.  My wife heard a pastor in such a situation say, “Some pastors think you need 200 square feet per person.  We have 200 people per square feet!”  And he was praising God – not complaining about being “sociologically strangled.”</p>
<p>On to chapter 16 – Preaching to the Unchurched, Pastor Rick says, “The common ground we have with unbelievers is not the Bible, but our common needs, hurts, and interests as human beings.”  This is fine guidance on how to start a fraternal organization, such as a Rotary Club – the Bible tells us that unbelievers’ greatest need is salvation.  That we saints share some of the same sinful “habits and hang-ups” as the “unchurched” can be an encouragement to the lost, as we teach them that <em>all</em> are unworthy apart from Christ.  Nowhere in this chapter does Pastor Rick advise the use of the law to convict people of their sin; he only wants the lost folk to know they are valuable and loved, etc.  They may well go to hell thinking this, having never been convicted of sin or saved by grace.  Good feelings save nobody.</p>
<p>On page 312, Warren poses a handful of questions that unchurched people want answered before they are willing to join the church:</p>
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<li>Do I fit here?</li>
<li>Does anybody want to know me?</li>
<li>Am I needed?</li>
<li>What is the advantage of joining?</li>
<li>What is required of members?</li>
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<p>Rick shows us, once again, that his focus is on growing the “church” by answering the “felt needs” of the flesh – not following the Biblical mandate on how to lead a flock of believers.  He is building a social fraternity and calling it “church”.</p>
<p>In chapter 16 – Turning Members into Ministers, Warren mixes some solid Biblical instruction with a humanistic, Jungian psychological matrix appraisal of people – his five SHAPE factors.  A detailed comparison of Warren’s SHAPE to Jungian psychology and God’s Word can be found at the end of this review.</p>
<p>Page 384, Warren again confirms he sees man as more important than does our Creator: “The most critical factor in a new ministry isn’t the <em>idea</em>, but the <em>leadership</em>.”  Jesus, the most important human ever, said this about Himself vs. the message (or idea): “<em>When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that <strong>I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things</strong>.</em>  (John 8:28)”, “<em>but I have called you friends; for <strong>all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you</strong>.  Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you,</em> (John 15:15b – 16a).”  The Bible tells us the main thing is the message, not the messenger.</p>
<p>Lastly, page 395 – “Purpose-driven churches are led by purpose-driven leaders.”  Although I care nothing for Warren’s penchant for using “purpose-driven”, leave it aside.  Consider this – Churches are led by leaders.  Now consider the Words of the One Who “wrote the Book” on “how to do church”:  “<em>Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.</em></p>
<p><em>And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.”</em>  (2 Timothy 2:1 – 2)  And recall the Words of Jesus, above – He spoke and worked only what His Father told Him.  <strong>The only leadership is from God and the truly effective pastor will be purposeful and Spirit led.</strong></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Quotes from Schuller – or is it Rick Warren?</span></p>
<p>Rick Warren denies virtually every connection and influence with or of Robert Schuller.  But judge for yourself – read a few choice quotes from Schuller and see if Warren’s teaching doesn’t line up near perfectly.  Read more at <a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac23.htm">http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac23.htm</a></p>
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<p><strong>&#8220;Yes, here is a theology for church growth.  Here is a theology for success, for the secret of success is to find a need and fill it.  Truly, when the church reforms and refines all of its theological expressions around every person&#8217;s daily need for self-affirmation, it shall flourish &#8216;like trees planted by rivers of water.&#8217;&#8221;  (Robert Schuller, &#8220;Self-Esteem: the New Reformation,&#8221; page 175)</strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;People who have studied our work and read our materials have said that historically we are not like other churches.  Denominations and religions started with teaching a theology about God.  Whenever there was disagreement with each other about a certain detail, the result was to establish a new religion or branch thereof, so today there are many different denominations and lots of different religions.  When I started this ministry, I chose to focus on human need and said, </strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Let&#8217;s ask what a human being really is?  What does he need?&#8221;  And is there a God who can provide for those needs and what kind of God does he need?  So we started talking about the needs in humanity and we defined the single deepest need of the human being.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p><strong>(Robert Schuller, &#8220;Mirror or Window People: Which Are You?”  August 2, 2004)</strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Classical theology has erred in its insistence that theology be &#8216;God-centered,&#8217; not &#8216;man-centered&#8217;.&#8221;  (Robert Schuller, &#8220;Self-Esteem: the New Reformation,&#8221; page 64) </strong></p>
<p>&#8220;The classical error of historical Christianity is that we have never started with the value of the person.  Rather, we have started from the &#8216;unworthiness of the sinner,&#8217; and that starting point has set the stage for the glorification of human shame in Christian theology.&#8221;  (Robert Schuller, &#8220;Self-Esteem: the New Reformation,&#8221; page 162)</p>
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<p>CHARTING THE WARREN-JUNG CONNECTION</p>
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<h1>THEIR CONNECTION ON PERSONALITY THEORY</h1>
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<td width="32%" valign="top">“When you minister in a manner consistent with the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">personality</span> God gave you, you experience <span style="text-decoration:underline;">fulfillment</span>, satisfaction, and fruitfulness.” (The Purpose Driven Life, p. 246)“…when you are forced to minister in a manner that is “out of character” for your <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperament</span>, it creates tension and discomfort, requires extra effort and energy, and produces less than the best results. This is why mimicking someone else’s ministry never works. You don’t have <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">their</span></em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> personality</span>.” (PDL, p. 245)</td>
<td width="32%" valign="top">“…the ultimate aim and strongest desire of all mankind is to develop that <span style="text-decoration:underline;">fulness</span> (sic) of life which is called <span style="text-decoration:underline;">personality</span>… To the extent that a man is untrue to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">the law of his being</span> and does not rise to personality, he has failed to realize his <span style="text-decoration:underline;">life’s meaning</span>.” (The Development of Personality, Collected Works 17; from The Essential Jung, pg. 191, 207)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">There is absolutely no biblical precedent for this position. Personality typology has <em>never</em> been a criteria for God choosing someone for ministry, but is in great part grounded in Jungian psychology. Did Paul rely on personality assessment to guide his ministry? Hardly&#8230;</p>
<p>“God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised, God has chosen, the things that are not, that He might nullify the things that are, that no man should boast before God.” 1 Cor 1:27-29</p>
<p>“And He has said to me, ‘My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.’ Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ&#8217;s sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.” 2 Cor 12:9-10</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>THEIR CONNECTION ON A MUTUAL BELIEF IN THE &#8220;UNCONSCIOUS&#8221;</strong></div>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“You may be driven by a painful memory, a haunting fear, or an <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> belief.” (PDL, p. 27)“(Guilt-driven people) often <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconsciously</span> punish themselves by sabotaging their own success.” (PDL, pp. 27-28)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“The <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> . . . is the source of the instinctual forces of the psyche and of the forms or categories that regulate them, namely the archetypes.” (The Structure of the Psyche, CW 8, par. 342)“Constant observation pays the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> a tribute that more or less guarantees its cooperation. One of the most important tasks of psychic hygiene [is] to pay continual attention to the symptomatology of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious</span> contents and processes.” (The Portable Jung, New York: Penguin Books, 1986, p. 156)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">The “unconscious” is the foundational concept of both Freudian and Jungian psychology, and has no biblical basis whatsoever. In fact, Scripture does not allow for the idea that people are “driven” by an “unconscious belief.” By endorsing the idea of the unconscious, Warren is promoting the Jungian belief that people must analyze the forces of the unconscious to discover their life’s purpose. According to Scripture, any driving force outside of God’s will is sin, no matter where it resides. Psychology, however, downplays our personal accountability for sin by making the “unconscious” the ultimate reservoir and bastion of unavoidable human instinct.</p>
<p>“And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: <span style="text-decoration:underline;">for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.</span>” Romans 14:23</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>THEIR CONNECTION ON UNCONSCIOUS METAPHORS &#38; IMAGES</strong></p>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“If I asked how you picture life, what image<em> </em>would come to your mind? That <span style="text-decoration:underline;">image</span> is your <span style="text-decoration:underline;">life metaphor</span>. It’s the view of life that you hold, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">consciously or</span> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconsciously</span>, in your mind.” (PDL, pp. 41-42)“Your <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unspoken life metaphor</span> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">influences</span> your life more than you realize. It <span style="text-decoration:underline;">determines</span> your expectations, your values, your relationships, your goals, and your priorities.” (PDL, p. 42)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“An archetypal content expresses itself, first and foremost, in <span style="text-decoration:underline;">metaphors</span>.” (“The Psychology of the Child Archetype,” CW 9i, par. 267)Archetypes are not inborn ideas, but “typical forms of behaviour which, once they become <span style="text-decoration:underline;">conscious</span>, naturally present themselves as <span style="text-decoration:underline;">ideas</span> and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">images</span>, like everything else that becomes a content of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">consciousness</span>.” (Collected Works 8, par. 435)</p>
<p>“Indeed, the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">fate of the individual</span> is largely dependent on <span style="text-decoration:underline;">unconscious factors</span>.” (“Conscious, Unconscious, and Individuation” CW 9)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">The analysis of “metaphors” housed in the unconscious is a trademark concept of psychology, not of Scripture. The use of images, fantasies, and dreams to better understand our “unconscious” is a signature feature of Jungian psychotherapy that borders on the occult.</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>THEIR CONNECTION ON USING JUNGIAN TERMINOLOGY</strong></p>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“God made <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverts</span></em> and <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">extroverts</span></em>… He made some people <em>‘<span style="text-decoration:underline;">thinkers</span>’ </em>and others <em>‘<span style="text-decoration:underline;">feelers</span>.’” </em>(PDL, p. 245)“Your personality will affect <em>how</em> and <em>where</em> you use your spiritual gifts and abilities. For instance, two people may have the same gift of evangelism, but if one is <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> and other is <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extroverted</span>, that gift will be expressed in different ways.” (PDL, p. 245)</p>
<p>“Ask yourself questions:… Am I more <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> or <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extroverted</span>? Am I more a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">thinker</span> or a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">feeler</span>?” (PDL, pp.251-252)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“Two types (of typical differences in human psychology) especially become clear to me; I have termed them the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> and the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extraverted</span> types.” (“Introduction” Psychological Types, CW 6 par. 1)“I have found from experience that the basic psychological functions, this is, functions which are genuinely as well as essentially different from other functions, prove to be <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">thinking</span>, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">feeling</span>, sensation</em>, and <em>intuition</em>. If one of these functions habitually predominates, a corresponding type results. I therefore distinguish a thinking, a feeling, a sensation, and an intuitive type. <em>Each of these types may moreover be either <span style="text-decoration:underline;">introverted</span> or <span style="text-decoration:underline;">extraverted</span>…</em>” (“Introduction” Psychological Types, CW 6)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Warren is explicitly using the specific terminology of the psychological typology theory originally conceived by Carl Jung. Despite the claims of his supporters, Warren has clearly based his Personality Theory (the &#8220;P&#8221; in his SHAPE teaching) on the unbiblical foundation of Jungian psychology.“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” Colossians 2:8</p>
<p>“Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.” 1 Cor 2:12-13</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>THEIR CONNECTION ON THE FOUR TEMPERAMENTS</strong></p>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“The Bible gives us plenty of proof that God uses all types of personalities. Peter was a <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">sanguine</span></em>. Paul was a <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">choleric</span></em>. Jeremiah was a <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">melancholy</span></em>. When you look at the personality differences in the twelve disciples, it’s easy to see why they sometimes had interpersonal conflict.” (PDL, p. 245)“There is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperament</span><em> </em>for ministry.” (PDL, p. 245)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“…the physicians of ancient times…tried to reduce the bewildering diversity of mankind to orderly groups… The very names of the Galenic <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperaments</span> betray their origin in the pathology of the four “humours.” <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Melancholic</span></em> denotes a preponderance of black bile, <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">phlegmatic</span></em> a preponderance of phlegm or mucus, <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">sanguine</span></em> a preponderance of blood, and <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">choleric</span></em> a preponderance of choler, or yellow bile.” (“Psychological Typology” CW 6)“The whole make-up of the body, its constitution in the broadest sense, has in fact a very great deal to do with psychological <span style="text-decoration:underline;">temperament</span>…” (“Psychological Typology” CW 6)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Despite Warren’s claim, the Bible never gives “proof” of the classification of personalities; it is a purely pagan concoction. The four temperaments, as conceived by Hippocrates and later developed by Galen, was a prevalent Greek philosophy during the time of Paul’s apostolic ministry. Unlike Warren and Jung, however, Paul did not implement these Greeks ideas into his teachings. In fact, he categorically rejected them and “determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified” (I Cor 2:2).“O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:” I Timothy 6:20</p>
<p>Worse yet, Warren is teaching that a person’s “no right or wrong” personality is somehow unaffected by the fall and is always beneficial for ministry. How, we ask, does a “phlegmatic temperament” towards laziness and slothfulness serve God’s purpose in ministry?</td>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“Today there are many books and tools that can help you understand your personality so you can determine how to use it for God.” (PDL, p. 246)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">MBTI is “based on Jung’s theory of psychological types.” (Isabel Briggs Myers, Introduction to Type, Palo Alto, CA: Consulting Psychologists Press, 1983, p.4)“The (MBTI) Indicator was developed specifically to carry Carl Jung’s theory of type (Jung, 1921, 1971) into practical application.” (Dr. Gordon Lawrence, People Types &#38; Tiger Stripes, p. 6, also p. x)</p>
<p>“Carl Jung’s psychology lies behind&#8230;the MBTI.” (Robert Innes, Personality Indicators and The Spiritual Life, p.8)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Without qualifying this statement, Warren is promoting any and all Jungian personality and temperament tests and theories, including the widely-used Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI), the Kiersey Temperament Sorter (an offshoot of the MBTI), and the Enneagram Test, which has its origin in Sufism, a mystical offshoot of Islam. (Click <a href="http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/web/crj0146a.html" target="_blank">here</a> for more information on Enneagram).Despite the contrary advice offered by Warren, Christians must acknowledge the Bible as the only book needed to understand the human condition:</p>
<p>“For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” Hebrews 4:12</p>
<p>(See also II Timothy 3:16-17)</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>THEIR CONNECTION ON THE ENDORSEMENT OF PSYCHOLOGY</strong></p>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“Every behavior is motivated by a belief, and every action is prompted by an attitude. God revealed this thousands of years <span style="text-decoration:underline;">before psychologists understood it</span>.” (PDL, p. 181)</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“(Unconscious phenomena) manifest themselves in the individual’s behaviour… ” (“Conscious, Unconscious, and Individuation” CW 9)“Modern psychological development leads to a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">much better understanding</span> as to what man really consists of.” (“Psychology and Religion” CW 11)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Warren is suggesting here that psychologists have the same understanding as God on the issue of human behavior, thus putting man’s “wisdom” on equal footing with God’s revelation.If Warren truly believes in the preeminence of God’s revelation to understand man, then why does he rely so heavily on the “useless wisdom” of psychology instead of Scripture?</p>
<p>“For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, ‘He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS‘; and again, ‘THE LORD KNOWS THE REASONINGS of the wise, THAT THEY ARE USELESS.’” I Cor 3:19-20</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>THEIR CONNECTION ON FINDING AND DEVELOPING PERSONALITY</strong></p>
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<td width="33%" valign="top">“The best use of your life is to serve God out of your shape. To do this you <span style="text-decoration:underline;">must discover your shape</span>, learn to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">accept</span> and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">enjoy</span> it, and then <span style="text-decoration:underline;">develop it</span> to its fullest potential.” (PDL, p. 249)The SHAPE program states: “To <span style="text-decoration:underline;">discover your S.H.A.P.E.</span> is to discover where God is calling you to do His work in the world.”</td>
<td width="33%" valign="top">“Only the man who can <span style="text-decoration:underline;">consciously assent to the power of the inner voice</span> becomes a personality.” (“The Development of Personality” CW 17)“The <span style="text-decoration:underline;">achievement of personality</span> means nothing less than the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">optimum development</span> of the whole individual human being.” (“The Development of Personality” CW 17)</p>
<p>“In so far as every individual has the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">law of his life</span> inborn in him, it is theoretically possible for any man to follow this law and to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">become a personality</span>, this is, to <span style="text-decoration:underline;">achieve wholeness</span>.” (“The Development of Personality” CW 17)</td>
<td width="34%" valign="top">Finding your SHAPE has no biblical support. Warren’s teaching that one must “discover his shape” is philosophically and systematically akin to Jung’s teaching that a man must “consciously assent to the power of the inner voice” and be true to “the law of his being.”While Warren has rightly acknowledged God’s sovereign purpose in creating us, he has mistakenly made God’s divine purpose synonymous with our so-called “shape” by advocating the Jungian idea of developing the personality to “achieve wholeness.” This Jungian process, however, does not serve God, but serves the god within us.</p>
<p>Scripture calls for an active, heartfelt obedience to God’s will through the transforming power of the Spirit, not a misguided exploration of our natural psychological makeup to define our God-given purpose.</p>
<p>“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.” Proverbs 3:5-6</p>
<p>“…your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.” 1 Cor 2:5</td>
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<hr size="2" /><strong>CONCLUSION: THIS IS NOT SIMPLY &#8220;GUILT BY ASSOCIATION&#8221;</strong></p>
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<td width="100%">Yes, Jesus associated with sinners, but he certainly didn&#8217;t borrow his teachings from the Pharisees or any other false teachers. Clearly there is a very tangible connection between Rick Warren&#8217;s SHAPE teaching on personality and the psychological theories of Carl Jung. Not only does Warren base his teachings on parallel psychological concepts, but he uses <em>exact</em> Jungian terms to make his case. By focusing on assessing and developing one’s personality as the key to a successful life or ministry, Warren, like Jung, is promoting a reliance on one’s inner self instead of on God’s transcendent truth and the working of the Holy Spirit. As a popular Christian teacher, how can Warren ignore the crucial biblical truths of the sufficiency of Scripture and the power of the Holy Spirit to perfectly furnish every Christian with the ability to minister according to God&#8217;s purpose?</td>
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<link>http://aixelsyd13.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/if-were-keeping-score-thats-subway-1-and-quiznos-3%c2%bd/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Wow, amazingly&#8230; Quiznos is <em>still </em>on the job, and Subway is still <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span>.</p>
<p>The<strong> W(aL)D</strong> inbox was empty today, save for this&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>From: HelpDesk &#60;HelpDesk@quiznos.com&#62;<br />
Date: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM<br />
Subject: FW: The Quiznos Toasty TorpedoT ads?<br />
To: FO Marketing &#60;FOmarketing@quiznos.com&#62;<br />
Cc: world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.com</p>
<p>Thank you for your response back. Greg is currently out of the office so I will forward your comments on to our marketing team for you.</p>
<p>Rebecca Chamberlain</p>
<p>Help Desk Associate</p>
<p>QUIZNOS<sup>®</sup><sup></sup></p>
<p>Subs • Soups • Salads</p></blockquote>
<p>Our friends at Subway have still not written back&#8230; even though I was told by Mack Bridenbaker that Paula Gomez from Customer Care would address my concerns.</p>
<p>We also have another Quiznos email address to add to the collection.</p>
<p>If you need to catch up, here&#8217;s a time-line on this one:</p>
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<li>I write to Subway about allergens, cross-contamination, hygiene, the $5 footlong campaign and Jared:  <strong><a title="$5 Foot Up Your Ass" href="http://aixelsyd13.wordpress.com/2009/10/28/five-five-dollar-five-dollar-foot-up-your-ass/" target="_blank">$5 Foot Up Your Ass</a>. </strong>[Oct. 28, 2009]<strong><br />
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<li>Subway<em> (<strong>Anna Seely</strong>, Customer Care)</em> sends back a form letter that I in turn reply to:<strong> <a title="Customer ID: 1918316" href="http://aixelsyd13.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/subway-customer-id-1918316/" target="_blank">Customer ID: 1918316</a></strong> <strong> </strong>[Oct. 29, 2009]<strong><br />
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<li>I send it to Quiznos to get a comment, and they <em>(<strong>Tony Jones</strong>, Vice President for Quiznos representing the Ohio/Indiana/Pennsylvania/Illinois region &#38; <strong>Gregory Boudreaux</strong>, Help Desk Lead)</em> do:  <strong><a title="Quiznos 2 : Subway 0.5" href="http://aixelsyd13.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/quiznos-writes-back-before-subway/" target="_blank">Quiznos writes back before Subway</a></strong> &#8211; To put <em>this</em> in perspective I also tried to get comments from Sheetz, Jimmy John&#8217;s, &#38; Jersey Mike&#8217;s &#8211; w/o so much as even a form letter generic response <em>(wtf? seriously.) </em>&#8230;and re-sent the concerns to Subway noting that it had been a while since they&#8217;d received my mail with no reply. <strong> </strong>[Nov. 1o &#38; 11, 2009]<strong><br />
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<li>Response from Subway<em> (<strong>Mack Bridenbaker</strong>, Subway Spokesperson) </em>saying someone <em>(<strong>Paula Gomez</strong>, Customer Care)</em> will address my concerns:  <a title="Someone will get back to you..." href="http://aixelsyd13.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/subway-customer-id-1918316-2/" target="_blank"><strong>Sort of a response from Subway</strong></a> <strong> </strong>[Nov. 13, 2009]<strong><br />
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<li>Since I have a good already open dialogue, I write to Quiznos about the little hands in the Toasty Torpedo Ads:  <a title="Toasty Torpedos + Little Hands = Creepy &#38; Misleading" href="http://aixelsyd13.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/the-quiznos-toasty-torpedo%e2%84%a2-and-the-diminutive-hand-model/" target="_blank"><strong>Are those midget hands?</strong></a> [Nov. 17, 2009]<strong><br />
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<li>Quiznos <em>(<strong>Tony Jones</strong>, Vice President for Quiznos representing the Ohio/Indiana/Pennsylvania/Illinois region)</em> writes back, amused:  <a title="...and yes, the Torpedo ads vs. the reality can seem diverse." href="http://aixelsyd13.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/you-never-told-me-you-spoke-my-language-doctor-jones/" target="_blank"><strong>Have you ever thought of getting into an independent consulting capacity… or maybe franchise news journaling?</strong></a><strong> </strong>[Nov. 17, 2009]</li>
<li>Today, Quiznos <em>(<strong>Rebecca Chamberlain</strong>, Help Desk Associate)</em> writes back, to tell me that she&#8217;s passing on my email, and that someone else from the marketing team will get back to me.  <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Awesome.</span></li>
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<p>If we&#8217;re keeping score, that&#8217;s Subway <strong>1</strong> and Quiznos <strong>3</strong><strong>½</strong>.  <em>(The responses saying you&#8217;ll get a response are only worth ½ in my point system, OK?)</em></p>
<p>So there you have it.  Quiznos is awesome.  Subway is not.</p>
<p>What is &#8220;FO Marketing&#8221; though?</p>
<p>At any rate, please let me know what you think of the insanity&#8230; and where I should go from here.</p>
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<link>http://drtimwhite.com/2009/11/20/an-expose-of-emerging-church-preaching-part-4/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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<link>http://deuslovult.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/lateline/</link>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>I posted this on Twitter moments ago, but felt it important enough to repost here. Tony Jones just owned Tony Abbott on climate change on Lateline tonight. If you can find a reply of it on TV or on the ABC website, give it a watch. If you dislike Abbott, watch it. If you dislike climate skeptics, watch it. If you like watching politicians flounder and get rolled, watch it. I loved every moment of it.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>So, Mr. Jones writes back!  Apparently, he&#8217;s a fan.  Ha ha ha.</p>
<p>Writes back to what, you ask?  Well, a response to <a href="http://aixelsyd13.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/the-quiznos-toasty-torpedo%E2%84%A2-and-the-diminutive-hand-model/" target="_blank">an email about the Toasty Torpedo ads</a>&#8230; which stemmed from earlier emails about <a title="Subway - You suck hard.  Like Jared on your flavorless subs." href="http://aixelsyd13.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/subway-customer-id-1918316/" target="_self">Subway&#8217;s lack of customer respect</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>from</strong> Jones, Tony &#60;tjones2@quiznos.com&#62;<br />
<strong>to</strong> ERiC AiXeLsyD &#60;world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.com&#62;<br />
<strong>date</strong> Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM<br />
<strong>subject </strong>RE: The Quiznos Toasty TorpedoT ads?</p>
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<p>Eric,</p>
<p>I enjoy your observations and yes, the Torpedo ads vs. the reality can seem diverse.  Of course, with the type of bread that is used in this offering, heavier than most, I have found to be very filling and I speak from experience… I love the tuna torpedo, if properly made, and have a difficult time trying to eat more than one in one sitting.  I have tried to order two and ended up about 1 ½ till being way-too-full;  The heaviness of the bread, even though it looks like a breadstick, serves to be quite filling;  Also, yes, the various forms of our past ads have been quite innovative and sometimes just plain ‘rebellious’.  Our image has historically kind of gone down that road… with ‘baby bob’, etc.  In fact, we have even had past campaigns of ‘being pioneers’…which is somewhat accurate…. First to toast, first with select breads, and first with gourmet sauces…etc… the Subways, and others competitors of the world, have graciously copied some of these endeavors. Etc…</p>
<p>On a side note though…. You are gifted and creative with the pen…  with an edgy insight into ‘areas in need of improvement’ for various businesses;  Have you ever thought of getting into an independent consulting capacity… or maybe franchise news journaling?  Your giftedness at using humor along with wit, and poking fun at the various misuses, and abuses by brands could end up with a great following;  Franchising and branding is such a HUGE industry, I’m sure there would be an equally HUGE following for this kind of venue.  Just a thought man,</p>
<p>Have a great week,</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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<p>Ah ha!  Flattery will get you everywhere, I guess.  Consulting?  <em>Me?</em> So, people will <strong><em>pay</em></strong> me to do this stuff?  I wonder that the hell franchise news journaling is?  I may have to get to Googling that, or at least asking Mr. Jones where to start.  I still don&#8217;t think I can <a title="We named the DOG &#34;Indiana&#34;!" href="http://aixelsyd13.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/quiznos-writes-back-before-subway/" target="_blank">call him &#8220;Indiana&#8221;</a>, though.</p>
<p>At any rate, I look forward to any comments.  I know you&#8217;re out there reading, and I&#8217;m getting feedback via Facebook &#38; Twitter&#8230; but you can comment here too.  It&#8217;s all good, and it helps out my WordPress stats.  Ha ha ha.  You can even get your avatar to show up here if you use <a title="Gravatar - Globally Recognized Avatars" href="http://www.gravatar.com/" target="_blank">Gravatar</a> or <em>(I think)</em> <a title="OpenID" href="http://openid.net/" target="_blank">OpenID</a>, or if you&#8217;re already logged into your own WordPress account.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>I love the fact that I can call going on an overnight backpacking trip &#8220;research.&#8221; Of course, I cannot wait for the day that I can call it &#8220;professional research.&#8221; I wish. </p>
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<p>Overnight from 16-17 November I got to spend about 21 hours in solitude in the Superstition Wilderness. I felt fulfilled, lonely, honest, open, frustrated and deeply affected throughout the course of that silence, but it was all GOOD. I thank the LORD that I got to spend that time alone with Him amidst his creation and I thank the LORD that it helped me understand a lot more about myself and a little more about the lifestyle that I am exploring in this Recreative project. </p>
<p>Have you ever spent some significant time in silence and solitude? If not, consider these words from Tony Jones:</p>
<p><em>What do silence and solitude actually accomplish in us? When I informally poll my friends, I find that most of them have no silence and little solutide in their lives. They are awakened by a clock radio; eat breakfast to morning television; drive to school or work with music; talk most the day with friends, schoolmates, and coworkers; listen to music on the way home; have the TV on while they prepare dinner; eat dinner with the TV on; watch a movie or their favorite show; and fall asleep with music playing. Ours is a life filled with noise&#8230;.All the noise and all the talking does not quell a major symptom of this depression [humanity's] &#8211; loneliness. Although we are surrounded by the stimuli of music, television and conversation (both personal and virtual), we often feel disconnected from other people, from God, ultimatley from ourselves&#8230;.silence and solitude lead to a love of God, a love of self, and a love of others&#8230;.Ultimately, we keep silence and solitude so we can listen better &#8211; so we can hear what God is saying to us and to our world&#8230;.Humble silence opens the ears and causes the listener to hear that &#8217;sound of sheer silence&#8217; in which God so often speaks.</em></p>
<p>Thank you Tony. I found these words to be so true for me in the last day of silence and solitude that I experienced. For me, withdrawing from the iTunes, the TV shows and the chatter of busyness I was able to hear some sobering, but liberating, words from the LORD. Here is an excerpt from my prayer-journal as I contemplated the solitude of the wilderness:</p>
<p><em>For me [solitude] was a time of honesty and transparency where I could clearly see the sin within me, truly hear the condemnation and mercy of Christ and gain some perspective on how small I am and how great God is. I think it also helped me grow past the fear [of losing control]. Cause you know, light came and morning dawned and it was so beautiful. The canyon I felt trapped in yesterday became a place of freedom where God spoke and the silence was a blessing, where the LORD led me out of the darkness and into His marvelous light. With that perspective I can live life a little less fearful of losing control and a little more hopeful of what Christ has in store for Elizabeth and me.</em></p>
<p>Have you ever spent time in solitude and silence? Maybe it wasn&#8217;t in the wilderness, but what was it like? Where did you go? What did you learn? How did you grow? What did that &#8216;rest&#8217; from noise re-create in you? </p>
<p>For me it re-created a desire in me to live a life dedicated to Christ, his Kingdom and to serve, love and cherish my wife as Christ serves, loves and cherishes me. </p>
<p>Amen. Let it be. </p>
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<link>http://truthinator.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/boycotts-and-book-burnings-are-they-beneficial-to-our-cause/</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Recently, you without a doubt heard of the church in NC that was planning to burn non KJV Bibles and]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><p>Recently, you without a doubt heard of the church in NC that was planning to burn non KJV Bibles and other superfluous writings on halloween. This morning I heard that the American Family Association was organizing a boycott of a large clothing retailer because of their non-Christian beliefs and actions.</p>
<p>I am not saying there is no merit to the concerns of groups that coordinate boycotts and burnings. I am asking whether boycotts and burnings are the best use of our time.</p>
<p>The problem I have with these protests is that the boycott and the fire get all of the attention and the reason for them gets little if any&#8230; Remember about 15 years ago when a Christian group was boycotting Disney? I do.</p>
<p>I remember this coming up in conversation with a friend. They said they were glad the Christians were boycotting Disney. Maybe Disney would not be so crowded for them&#8230; Wow, is this what a boycott accomplishes?</p>
<p>I offer a suggestion. Prior to boycotting or burning, why not schedule a series of meetings to discuss with the community why you have reason to boycott someone or to burn something? This way, you can use scripture to teach a lesson. If the plan to boycott or burn gets a bunch of attention, at least you can direct some of that attention to the meetings and the information you will provide.</p>
<p>Just a thought&#8230; What do you think?</p>
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<p>We continue our exploration into the chambers of theological thought and today we stop at the door of a doctrine that has deep ramifications into how we think about God, ourselves, redemption and a host of other things. Before we set out to consider this topic though, it is important to place the understanding of the original sin doctrine (as we know it today) in its right cradle so as to see it for what it is: <em><strong>an </strong>interpretation</em> of the biblical account (albeit the most widely accepted in the western Christian Church).</p>
<p><Font Size="3"><strong>Augustine of Hippo</strong></Font>, though not the first to tackle the original sin, was the first who took the “original sin” concept (the first sin committed) and, reading Paul through a certain lens, made it to mean <strong>involuntary transmission whereby the original sin was physically transmitted from parent to child via semen</strong>. Nobody believed that before him (from the records we have). His point was so powerful that it became doctrine ever since (in the west). The only modification made (it’s worth noting) was only after a thousand years when Calvin defined further the extent of the original sin saying that it affected us totally to the extent that there is nothing good in us, hence the <em>total depravity</em> doctrine.</p>
<p>As persuasive and profound this interpretation is through out the years I saw cracks into its fortified walls. There were a number of issues that seemed to have been left out of the equation.  I always thought to be unjust that I am blamed for someone else’s decision (Adam’s). Remember the old saying: we are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners? In other words we’re born with a disadvantage, thank you very much!!! What kind of choice do I have since, due to my totally depraved sinful nature, I can’t really choose to do what is good? I, for one, may not be able to do good, but wait can I honestly turn a blind eye to so much good that is being done all around me (and not by people considered to be Christians)? These and many other questions made me reconsider my belief (more like someone else’s that was handed to me and accepted at face value), made me take another look at the making of the doctrine of original sin, reassess its scriptural footing and maybe build an alternative that is more satisfying, that takes all the pieces of the puzzle and attempt to put them together in a harmonious whole. </p>
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<FONT size="2"><em>From the very outset is important to clarify that I found the issue to almost never be about the reality/existence of “sin”, but with its meaning. Some people refer to it without using the word sin (maybe because it has been hijacked in some circles and given all sorts of connotations).</em></FONT> </ol>
<p>Since this doctrine seems to have been inspired by the Apostle Paul and his statements in Romans 5:12-21 (and alluded in 1 Cor 15:21-22), let’s turn to Paul first. I am surprised to see people applying to these texts what I call a <strong>“schizophrenic hermeneutics”</strong>. They seem to get what Paul says in Romans 5:19b, yet applying a totally different logic to the first part of the verse. Most people don’t read “through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous” to mean “universalism”, i.e. what Christ did <em>automatically </em>applies to everybody. Yet when it comes to what Adam did it is seen unmistakably so? How come? There are really only two options here. Either we accept the idea of “involuntary transfer/participation” and declare therefore that what Christ did “involuntarily” affects everybody (universalism) or we accept the idea of “voluntary transfer/participation” and declare that each individual <em>chooses </em>to be part of Adam’s sin and Christ’s righteousness. After all isn’t that what Paul alludes to in verse 12 where he says sin entered the world “… because all sinned”, not due to <em>just </em>one man’s choice? (I understand that this hinges somewhat on the meaning of the greek preposition “epi”, translated most everywhere “because”). Since Paul doesn’t seem to be talking here about some <em>automatic </em>transfer but something totally different (especially when seen in its entire context, which could be the focus of a different post), let’s say for now that this passage fails to give its support for the Augustinian view of original sin.</p>
<p>Let’s go back now to the beginning and read the creation story on its own terms. Here we are being given an anthropology (a view of the nature of human beings) to work with. Here’s my short reading of this account. </p>
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Firstly, God created us ontologically (in our essence, in our being) good.<br />
Secondly, He created us with the capacity for choice (in theology called “free will”), which implies the possibility of bad/evil (as something opposed to good). Yes, God created the space for the existence of evil when He gave us free will. So in this sense <em><strong>evil, or in our discussion sin, has been built latent into our being as a possibility</strong></em>. Only with this option true love is made possible, as true love is a choice, right?</ol>
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I personally ascribe to the notion that evil doesn’t have an existence of its own (at least from a biblical perspective), but exists only as a departure from that which is good (which ultimately is God Himself).</em></FONT> </ol>
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<p>So here’s my understanding of David and Paul when they mention the fact that we are born in sin or born with sin in our being. As Tony Jones rightly <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/tonyjones/2009/02/original-sin-paul-romans-5-and.html">writes</a>, this is could be seen as “an archetypal account of the human condition”. </p>
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<FONT size="3"><em>Refusing to embrace the Augustinian view of original sin <strong>does not</strong> mean that the existence or the seriousness of sin is belittled.</em></FONT> </ol>
<p>It does not also mean that just because we have the capacity to choose good from evil that we can do this apart from God’s help, as it is sometimes implied. I must say as emphatic as I can: <em>apart from God’s help we choose ONLY evil</em>. </p>
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•	When we choose good it is NOT because God forced it on us. That would be no choice, now would it?<br />
•	Looking at the Genesis account when we choose evil (in Adam and Eve’s case and ours today), we are the ones choosing to distance ourselves from God not the other way around.</ol>
<p>This takes us to the last point, that of human experience. History has been the record of great acts of goodness and great acts of evil. It also paints, against our desire as Christians to admit, a picture where those who claimed to be Christ’s followers have committed atrocious acts of evil and those considered “pagans” have manifested great acts of goodness. That means that regardless of our religious associations<strong> we are ALL capable of both good and bad</strong>. </p>
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<FONT size="3"><em>History is teaching us that to separate evil from good in terms of groups of people or in terms of the other is a dangerous posture.</em></FONT> </ol>
<p>Nobody is totally good or totally evil (i.e. all the time). In short the human experience too, if we’re honest about it, betrays the tenets of original sin doctrine. To uphold this doctrine is to give a blind eye to the reality around us. It is to choose to see the world through certain lenses. </p>
<p>These are my thoughts. <strong>What do YOU think? Do you think the doctrine of original sin can benefit us and more importantly, those around us? What issues do you find with this doctrine? Do you see any merits in it? How did you first hear about it and what made you embrace it? If you don’t believe in it, why not?</strong> </p>
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