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091209 SJM on Wan Quan Yu Le [Transcript]

aoisora999 — Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:47:24 +0000

N.B N = Narrator, H = Host (at the press conference – from the voice, it sounds like Pink Tsien, the host who always interviews Super Junior when they’re in Taiwan… Shindong’s “bride”! ^^ But I’m not sure)

Narrator: Super Junior became well known all over Asia due to their song “Sorry Sorry”. SJ has now introduced a special Chinese subgroup, Super Junior M in order to enter the Chinese market. Siwon, Donghae, Kyuhyun, Ryeowook, and three Chinese, Hangeng, Henry and Zhou Mi, makes up the seven members of SJM. As expected, their first mini album has swept top rankings in different charts in Taiwan.

From hearing the calls of many fans, Super Junior M came to Taiwan to hold a fan meeting. As well as this, it’s the first time all of the seven members of SJM have ever been in Taiwan together. At the press conference, the members all wore matching black suits to meet the media.

HG: This is the first time Super Junior M has been in Taiwan to introduce ourselves. Hello everybody, we are Super Junior

All: M!

RW: Hello everybody, I am Ryeowook.

Henry: Hello everybody, I am Super Junior M’s youngest member Henry. We have finally come to Taiwan, thank you all for welcoming us!

DH: Long time no see Taiwan, I am Donghae.

HG: Hello everybody, I am Super Junior M’s leader, Han Geng.

SW: Hello everybody, I’m Choi Siwon. Thank you all for attending today.

KH: Hello everybody, I am Kyuhyun. I am very happy to be here.

ZM: Hello everybody, I am Super Junior’s M Chinese member Zhou Mi.

N: To keep up the concert of their song name, Super Girl, it was unavoidable to ask the seven men who their ideal Super Girls were. As predicted, the members’ chose their fans. However, Donghae’s answer made everyone laugh.

DH: Uh, my Super Girl is a girl with a pretty forehead.

Host: Uhh… hair?

DH: No, forehead.

H: Oh forehead! So if they are ugly everywhere else, it won’t matter?

DH: It doesn’t matter!

H: So if the girl had a pretty forehead but was extremely overweight, Donghae will still say “You’re my Super Girl!”

N: To support SJM, Ariel Lin, who has filmed an MV with Donghae and Siwon before, came to the press meeting to present a gift to look after their throats/voices, “pipagao”. The host decided to create a game where the winner will get fed pipagao by Ariel Lin. Unpredictably; this caused jealousy between the members.

H: Henry! Henry managed to KO you all in one go!

HG: Henry, how come you’re not this good when we’re at home?

H: Henry close your eyes, don’t be shy!

(Ryeowook feeds Henry)

H: Hahaha, Henry that was a trick, that wasn’t Ariel Lin!

(Ariel feeds Henry)

H: Enjoy the taste of pipagao!

N: Suddenly Siwon decided to “bao liao”*. Apparently Ryeowook also likes Ariel Lin, and whenever there’s a competitor, Donghae will get jealous.

SW: Ryeowook really likes Ariel Lin.

H: Oh really? Okay, Ariel, how about you feed all three of them?

Ariel: Okay.

SW: He really likes her dramas. He watches them everyday.

H: So Ariel and Ryeowook…

(Siwon and Hangeng feeds each other)

H: … and this side has to cross arms to feed each other first. Siwon and Hangeng “cross feeds” pipagao!

(Ryeowook busy trying to eat the pipagao)

H: Ryeowook, would you like to be fed by Ariel Lin?

RW: Uh!

SW: He’s very nervous!

H: He’s very nervous?

RW: Can she (feed me) ?

H: Yes! (RW: OHHH!) No problem! Whatever you ask for, we will say yes!

N: In order to enter the Chinese market, apart from the 3 members who can speak Chinese already, the other 4 members are studying hard. Listening to Koreans speaking fluent Chinese is really admirable.

H: I want to ask, out of the 7 members, which member’s Chinese has improved the most? Maybe the translator can translate…

SW (interrupting): I think Donghae has improved a lot!

H: You understood?!

SW: We all understand Chinese!

H: You all understand! Sorry sorry sorry sorry! You all understand!

SW: We understand but cannot speak.

H: Ohhh!! So you all understand?

SW: Yes.

H: I think Siwon’s Chinese has improved a lot!

SW: No no no, we’re all the same!

H: You’re all as good as each other… but Donghae is the best?

DH: No, I do not speak Chinese well!

N: Although Donghae claims he does not speak Chinese well, at the conference, he performed a scene of wooing a girl with leader Hangeng!

DH: Hello, I’m Donghae! Do you have any free time?

HG: I’m really busy at the moment!

DH: You’re very busy? (HG: Mmmm) Uhh…

HG: I’m in a rush, do you have something to say?

DH: Uhh… give me your phone number!

HG: Cell/mobile number right? (DH: Yes!) Uhh, I don’t have a cell/mobile.

DH: You don’t have one? (HG: Yeah) I’ll buy one for you!

HG: Really?! I also don’t have a car or a house!

N: SJ-M’s humour made the originally serious conference full of a happy atmosphere, and they showed their funny and cute side to the reporters. In tomorrow’s Wan Quan Yue Le, we will show footage of the most interesting parts of SJ-M’s fan meeting in Taiwan. Fans of SJM, don’t miss out!

*“bao liao” – sort of like telling a secret

Translated by: ling1188
Credit: ling1188@sj-world.net

[TRANSCRIPT] 09.12.11 Sukira Transcript, I have no choice, because I’m too famous

monkeyhyuk — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:20:54 +0000

091211 Sukira Transcript

I have no choice, because I’m too famous
Leeteuk: There was once, I parked my car, and wanted to quietly listen to music. Suddenly, from the side, someone came out of a taxi, and closed the door very forcefully. At that time, I really wanted to get out of the car and scold that person, but in the end I held it in, because I am too famous.
Eunhyuk: There was once, when I less of a choice. That day, I drove my car to the company, the car was quite dirty, and it hadn’t been washed for a long time. Hence, the fans gathered at the front of the company used tissue napkins to help me wipe my car…… Actually, if you use tissue napkins to wipe (the car), it is very rough*, but they had good intentions, so I couldn’t say anything. I was really heartbroken……
Leeteuk: You’re a lot better off than me. There was once, I parked my car at a subway station. At that time, the left side of the car was applied with something, I’m not sure if it was hand cream or wax. Do you remember it?
Eunhyuk: Yeah.
Leeteuk: Later, I went to the security post and took a look at the CCTV recording, it was four fans that applied it. Sigh, in the end, I still held it in……

*Rough: Eunhyuk is referring to the texture of the tissue napkin. It might have left some paper residue on his car, or created some minor scratches

Source: Kimseohye
Korean to Chinese translations by Kimseohye
Chinese to English translations by –dreamx @ sj-world.net
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[SJ] SUKIRA TRANSCRIPT 12.11.09

리즈 — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:20:27 +0000

I have no choice, because I’m too famous Leeteuk: There was once, I parked my car, and wanted to qui

Sukira Transcript - December 11

immortalsoul123 — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:02:28 +0000

091211 Sukira Transcript I have no choice, because I’m too famous Leeteuk: There was once, I parked

091211 Sukira Transcript

Jenny32 — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:42:19 +0000

091211 Sukira Transcript

*Rough: Eunhyuk is referring to the texture of the tissue napkin. It might have left some paper residue on his car, or created some minor scratches

Source: Kimseohye
Korean to Chinese translations by Kimseohye
Chinese to English translations by –dreamx @ sj-world.net
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Venezuelan President’s Speech on Climate Change in Copenhagen

Tio — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:39:04 +0000

December 17th 2009, by Hugo Chavez

President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez:

Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, Excellencies, friends, I promise that I will not talk more than most have spoken this afternoon. Allow me an initial comment which I would have liked to make as part of the previous point which was expressed by the delegations of Brazil, China, India, and Bolivia. We were there asking to speak but it was not possible. Bolivia’s representative said, my salute of course to Comrade President Evo Morales, who is there, President of the Republic of Bolivia.

[Audience applause]

She said among other things the following, I noted it here, she said the text presented is not democratic, it is not inclusive.

I had hardly arrived and we were just sitting down when we heard the president of the previous session, the minister, saying that a document came about, but nobody knows, I’ve asked for the document, but we still don’t have it, I think nobody knows of that top secret document.

Now certainly, as the Bolivian comrade said, that is not democratic, it is not inclusive. Now, ladies and gentlemen, isn’t that just the reality of the world?

Are we in a democratic world? Is the global system inclusive? Can we hope for something democratic, inclusive from the current global system?

What we are experiencing on this planet is an imperial dictatorship, and from here we continue denouncing it. Down with imperial dictatorship! And long live the people and democracy and equality on this planet!

[Audience applause]

And what we see here is a reflection of this: Exclusion.

There is a group of countries that consider themselves superior to us in the South, to us in the Third World, to us, the underdeveloped countries, or as a great friend Eduardo Galeano says, we, the crushed countries, as if a train ran over us in history.

In light of this, it’s no surprise that there is no democracy in the world and here we are again faced with powerful evidence of global imperial dictatorship. Then two youths got up here, fortunately the enforcement officials were decent, some push around, and they collaborated right? There are many people outside, you know? Of course, they do not fit in this room, they are too many people. I’ve read in the news that there were some arrests, some intense protests, there in the streets of Copenhagen, and I salute all those people out there, most of them youth.

[Audience applause]

Of course young people are concerned, I think rightly much more than we are, for the future of the world. We have – most of us here – the sun on our backs, and they have to face the sun and are very worried.

One could say, Mr. President, that a spectre is haunting Copenhagen, to paraphrase Karl Marx, the great Karl Marx, a spectre is haunting the streets of Copenhagen, and I think that spectre walks silently through this room, walking around among us, through the halls, out below, it rises, this spectre is a terrible spectre almost nobody wants to mention it: Capitalism is the spectre, almost nobody wants to mention it.

[Audience applause]

It’s capitalism, the people roar, out there, hear them.

I have been reading some of the slogans painted on the streets, and I think those slogans of these youngsters, some of which I heard when I was young, and of the young woman there, two of which I noted. You can hear among others, two powerful slogans. One: Don’t change the climate, change the system.

[Audience applause]

And I take it onboard for us. Let’s not change the climate, let’s change the system! And consequently we will begin to save the planet. Capitalism is a destructive development model that is putting an end to life; it threatens to put a definitive end to the human species.

And another slogan calls for reflection. It is very in tune with the banking crisis that swept the world and still affects it, and of how the rich northern countries gave aid to bankers and the big banks. The U.S. alone gave, well, I lost the figure, but it is astronomical, to save the banks. They say in the streets the following: If the climate were a bank it would have been saved already.

[Audience applause]

And I think that’s true. If the climate were one of the biggest capitalist banks, the rich governments would have saved it.

I think Obama has not arrived. He received the Nobel Peace Prize almost the same day that he sent 30 thousand soldiers to kill more innocents in Afghanistan, and now he comes to stand here with the Nobel Peace Prize, the president of the United States.

But the United States has the machinery to make money, to make dollars, and has saved, well, they believe they have saved the banks and the capitalist system.
Well, this is a side comment that I wanted to make previously. We were raising our hand to accompany Brazil, India, Bolivia, China, in their interesting position that Venezuela and the countries of the Bolivarian Alliance firmly share. But hey, they didn’t let us speak, so do not count these minutes please, Mr. President.

[Audience applause]

Look, over there I met, I had the pleasure of meeting this French author Hervé Kempf. Recommending this book, I recommend it, it is available in Spanish – there is Hervé – its also in French, and surely in English, How the Rich are Destroying the Planet. Hervé Kempf: How the Rich are Destroying the Planet. This is what Christ said: it would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. This is what our lord Christ said.

[Audience applause]

The rich are destroying the planet. Do they think the can go to another when they destroy this one? Do they have plans to go to another planet? So far there is none on the horizon of the galaxy.

This book has just reached me, Ignacio Ramonet gave it to me, and he is also around somewhere in this room. Finishing the prologue or the preamble this phrase is very important, Kempf says the following, I’ll read it:

“We can not reduce global material consumption if we don’t make the powerful go down several levels, and if we don’t combat inequality. It is necessary that to the ecological principle that is so useful at the time of becoming conscious, ‘think globally and act locally,’ we add the principle that the situation imposes: ‘Consume less and share better.’”

I think it is good advice that this French author Hervé Kempf gives us.

[Audience applause]

Well then, Mr. President, climate change is undoubtedly the most devastating environmental problem of this century. Floods, droughts, severe storms, hurricanes, melting ice caps, rise in mean sea levels, ocean acidification and heat waves, all of that sharpens the impact of global crisis besetting us.

Current human activity exceeds the threshold of sustainability, endangering life on the planet, but also in this we are profoundly unequal.

I want to recall: the 500 million richest people, 500 million, this is seven percent, seven percent, seven percent of the world’s population. This seven percent is responsible, these 500 million richest people are responsible for 50 percent of emissions, while the poorest 50 percent accounts for only seven percent of emissions.

So it strikes me as a bit strange to put the United States and China at the same level. The United States has just, well; it will soon reach 300 million people. China has nearly five times the U.S. population. The United Status consumes more than 20 million barrels of oil a day, China only reaches 5-6 million barrels a day, you can’t ask the same of the United States and China.

There are issues to discuss, hopefully we the heads of states and governments can sit down and discuss the truth, the truth about these issues.

So, Mr. President, 60 percent of the planet’s ecosystems are damaged, 20 percent of the earth’s crust is degraded, we have been impassive witnesses to deforestation, land conversion, desertification, deterioration of fresh water systems, overexploitation of marine resources, pollution and loss of biodiversity.

The overuse of the land exceeds by 30 percent the capacity to regenerate it. The planet is losing what the technicians call the ability to regulate itself; the planet is losing this. Every day more waste than can be processed is released. The survival of our species hammers in the consciousness of humanity. Despite the urgency, it has taken two years of negotiations for a second commitment period under the Kyoto Protocol, and we attend this event without any real and meaningful agreement.

And indeed, on the text that comes from out of the blue, as some have called it, Venezuela says, and the ALBA countries, the Bolivarian Alliance say that we will not accept, since then we’ve said it, any other texts that do not come from working groups under the Kyoto Protocol and the Convention. They are the legitimate texts that we have been discussing so intensely over the years.

[Audience applause]

And in these last few hours, I believe you have not slept, plus you have not eaten, you have not slept. It does not seem logical to me to come out now with a document from scratch, as you say.

The scientifically substantiated objective of reducing the emission of polluting gases and achieving an agreement on long-term cooperation clearly, today at this time, has apparently failed, for now.

What is the reason? We have no doubt.

The reason is the irresponsible attitude and lack of political will from the most powerful nations on the planet. No one should feel offended, I recall the great José Gervasio Artigas when he said: “With the truth, I neither offend nor fear.” But it is actually an irresponsible attitude of positions, of reversals, of exclusions, of elitist management of a problem that belongs to everyone and that we can only solve together.

The political conservatism and selfishness of the largest consumers, of the richest countries shows high insensitivity and lack of solidarity with the poor, the hungry, and the most vulnerable to disease, to natural disasters. Mr. President, a new and single agreement is essential, applicable to absolutely unequal parties, according to the magnitude of their contributions and economic, financial and technological capabilities and based on unconditional respect for the principles contained in the Convention.

Developed countries should set binding, clear and concrete commitments for the substantial reduction of their emissions and assume obligations of financial and technological assistance to poor countries to cope with the destructive dangers of climate change. In this respect, the uniqueness of island states and least developed countries should be fully recognized.

Mr. President, climate change is not the only problem facing humanity today. Other scourges and injustices beset us, the gap between rich and poor countries has continued to grow, despite all the millennium goals, the Monterrey financing summit, at all these summits as the President of Senegal said here, revealing a great truth, there are promises and unfulfilled promises and the world continues its destructive march.

The total income of the 500 richest individuals in the world is greater than the income of the 416 million poorest people. The 2.8 billion people living in poverty on less than $2 per day, representing 40 per percent of the global population, receive only 5 percent of world income.

Today each year about 9.2 million children die before reaching their fifth year and 99.9 percent of these deaths occur in poorer countries.

Infant mortality is 47 deaths per thousand live births, but is only 5 per thousand in rich countries. Life expectancy on the planet is 67 years, in rich countries it is 79, while in some poor nations is only 40 years.

Additionally, there are 1.1 billion people without access to drinking water, 2.6 billion without sanitation services, over 800 million illiterate and 1.02 billion hungry people, that’s the global scenario.

Now the cause, what is the cause?

Let’s talk about the cause, let’s not evade responsibilities, and let’s not evade the depth of this problem. The cause, undoubtedly, I return to the theme of this whole disastrous panorama, is the destructive metabolic system of capital and its embodied model: Capitalism.

Here’s a quote that I want to read briefly, from that great liberation theologian Leonardo Boff, as we know a Brazilian, our American. Leonardo Boff says on this subject as follows:

“What is the cause? Ah, the cause is the dream of seeking happiness through material accumulation and of endless progress, using for this science and technology with which they can exploit without limits all the resources of the earth.”

And he cites here Charles Darwin and his “natural selection”, the survival of the fittest, but we know that the strongest survive over the ashes of the weakest.

Jean Jacques Rousseau, we must always remember, said that between the strong and the weak, freedom is oppressed. That’s why the Empire speaks of freedom; it’s the freedom to oppress, to invade, to kill, to annihilate, and to exploit. That is their freedom, and Rousseau adds this saving phrase: “Only the law liberates.”

There are countries that are hoping that no document comes out of here precisely because they do not want a law, do not want a standard, because the absence of these norms allows them to play at their exploitative freedom, their crushing freedom.

We must make an effort and pressure here and in the streets, so that a commitment comes out of here, a document that commits the most powerful countries on earth.

[Audience applause]

Well, Mr. President, Leonardo Boff asks… Have you met Boff? I do not know whether Leonardo might come, I met him recently in Paraguay, we’ve always read him.

Can a finite earth support an infinite project? The thesis of capitalism, infinite development, is a destructive pattern, let’s face it.

Then Boff asks us, what might we expect from Copenhagen? At least this simple confession: We can not continue like this. And a simple proposition: Let’s change course. Let’s do it, but without cynicism, without lies, without double agendas, no documents out of the blue, with the truth out in the open.

How long, we ask from Venezuela, Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, how long are we going to allow such injustices and inequalities? How long are we going to tolerate the current international economic order and prevailing market mechanisms? How long are we going to allow huge epidemics like HIV/AIDS to ravage entire populations? How long are we going to allow the hungry to not eat or to be able to feed their own children? How long are we going to allow millions of children to die from curable diseases? How long will we allow armed conflicts to massacre millions of innocent human beings in order for the powerful to seize the resources of other peoples?

Cease the aggressions and the wars! We the peoples of the world ask of the empires, to those who try to continue dominating the world and exploiting us.
No more imperial military bases or military coups! Let’s build a more just and equitable economic and social order, let’s eradicate poverty, let’s immediately stop the high emission levels, let’s stop environmental degradation and avoid the great catastrophe of climate change, let’s integrate ourselves into the noble goal of everyone being more free and united.

Mr. President, almost two centuries ago, a universal Venezuelan, a liberator of nations and precursor of consciences left to posterity a full-willed maxim: “If nature opposes us, let’s fight against it and make it obey us.” That was Simón Bolívar, the Liberator.

From Bolivarian Venezuela, where a day like today some ten years ago, ten years exactly, we experienced the biggest climate tragedy in our history (the Vargas tragedy it is called), from this Venezuela whose revolution tries to win justice for all people, we say it is only possible through the path of socialism!

Socialism, the other spectre Karl Marx spoke about, which walks here too, rather it is like a counter-spectre. Socialism, this is the direction, this is the path to save the planet, I don’t have the least doubt. Capitalism is the road to hell, to the destruction of the world. We say this from Venezuela, which because of socialism faces threats from the U.S. Empire.

From the countries that comprise ALBA, the Bolivarian Alliance, we call, and I want to, with respect, but from my soul, call in the name of many on this planet, we say to governments and peoples of the Earth, to paraphrase Simón Bolívar, the Liberator: If the destructive nature of capitalism opposes us, let’s fight against it and make it obey us, let’s not wait idly by for the death of humanity.

History calls on us to unite and to fight.

If capitalism resists, we are obliged to take up a battle against capitalism and open the way for the salvation of the human species. It’s up to us, raising the banners of Christ, Mohammed, equality, love, justice, humanity, the true and most profound humanism. If we don’t do it, the most wonderful creation of the universe, the human being, will disappear, it will disappear.

This planet is billions of years old, and this planet existed for billions of years without us, the human species, i.e. it doesn’t need us to exist. Now, without the Earth we will not exist, and we are destroying Pachamama as Evo says, as our indigenous brothers from South America say.

Finally, Mr. President, and to finish, let’s listen to Fidel Castro when he said: “One species is in danger of extinction: Humanity.”

Let’s listen to Rosa Luxemburg when she said: “Socialism or Barbarism.”

Let us listen to Christ the Redeemer when he said: “Blessed are the poor for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, we are capable of not making this Earth the tomb of humanity. Let us make this earth a heaven, a heaven of life, of peace, peace and brotherhood for all humanity, for the human species.

Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much and enjoy your meal.

[Audience applause]

Translated by Kiraz Janicke for Venezuelanalysis.com

Fidel Castro: The Truth of What Happened at the Summit

091204-091210 + 091121 Sukira Transcript

Jenny32 — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:25:41 +0000

Sukira Transcripts

Lee Hyukjae is an embarrassing name
Eunhyuk: There was once, when I stayed in the hospital, it was very embarrassing. At that time, I broke my right finger bone and had to stay in the hospital, and after being discharged, it was time for the follow up checkup. I took a number and sat there waiting, and the longer I waited the more awkward it became. No matter what, I am an artiste, and even if I was wearing a cap, I was in no shape to be seen sitting there. And when they call your number, they usually call your real name, when I stood up it was even more embarrassing, everyone was looking at me.
Leeteuk: It must be you feeling that way.
Eunhyuk: No, really, they were looking at me, and some children that knew my real name were able to recognize me. So this name of mine has given me a lot of problems, even before debut.
Leeteuk: You feel you’re very popular?
Eunhyuk: No… There is an artiste with the same name as me, so…
Leeteuk: Oh, Lee Hyukjae sunbae makes you feel embarrassed?
Eunhyuk: No… This name is too popular, so it is embarrassing because everyone can recognize me. This name, Lee Hyukjae, is not embarrassing at all.

Kimchi Fried Rice is Embarassing
Eunhyuk: When I was young, and the school had any activities, if my parents had something on and were unable to attend, I would always be very sad.
Leeteuk: The younger we are, the more we are like this. When I was in kindergarten and we went for outings, the other children’s parents would come along, but for me, it was my grandmother that went. At that time, I was really very envious.
Eunhyuk: When I was in kindergarten and we went for outings, everyone would bring kimbap, I was the only one that brought Kimchi Fried Rice. Kimchi fried rice might taste better, but because I was different from the others, my young heart felt that it was very embarrassing, so I didn’t even dare to open my lunch box.
Leeteuk: When I was young, my friends’ families would have their own cars. “My family has this car, what car does your family have?” My family and my friend’s family got ready to drive up to Bukhan Mountain to have fun, and my friend’s family car was a high end saloon car. My family’s car was just a normal car. At that time, I was so embarrassed that I didn’t feel like going, and because of me, my father couldn’t concentrate on driving. When I grew up, I felt that it was no big deal.
Eunhyuk: Yeah, after we grow up, it’s not a big deal.

Eunteuk’s dream blind date
Eunhyuk: Leeteuk, if you were to go on a blind date, what kind of clothes would you want the girl to wear?
Leeteuk: There are two kinds that are the best, casual or formal…
Eunhyuk: I also like casual wear, a simple ladies top with jeans is the best, or a silk dress.
Leeteuk: That’s right, that’s right, it shows that they are cute and like a model student, neat and tidy.
Eunhyuk: I like those that have their hair tied up, but not in the neat way, it’s those that have loose hairs left at the bottom.
Leeteuk: If you were to go out on a date, between the two of you, who would pay the bill?
Eunhyuk: Erm….. I would pay the bill, but if she insists on paying, I would not stop her.
Leeteuk: I would pay for everything.
Eunhyuk: What if she says she wants to pay the bill?
Leeteuk: Then I would agree in the beginning, and after I’ve finished eating, I would secretly go and pay the bill. If she asks me why did I pay first, I would say this is too cheap, so in future, you can treat me to something more expensive.
Eunhyuk: Anyway, you wouldn’t even let her pay a single cent? What if you became bankrupt in the future?
Leeteuk: Then I’d break up……

Source: Kimseohye
Korean to Chinese translations by Kimseohye
Chinese to English translations by –dreamx @ sj-world.net
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What is a Mobile or Traveling Notary Public

nynotaryforyou — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:11:47 +0000

A Notary Public is a public officer. They are commissioned by a government authority. The Department of State, New York Secretary of State appoints Notaries to a 4 year commission. A Mobile Notary Public or a Traveling Notary is just a Notary who like a visiting doctor will travel to your home or place of business to take care of your notary needs.

Mobile notary public performs the same service as the notary you’ll find at your local bank or Kinko’s store. Mobile notaries can provide higher level of personalized services that you can’t get at your bank. For instance if you need a Power of Attorney or your pension notarized and you’re in a hospital or home bound, a mobile notary public will be the person to call.

Not only do mobile/traveling notaries provide personalized notary service, they are available during hours when most notary businesses have closed for the day. Some mobile notaries work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. They are always available to service your notary needs.

Since the mobile notary is traveling to you, they will charge you an additional fee for traveling. The fee the notary will charge varies according to the notary service area. If the notary has to travel far the price will be higher than for someone who is close by. Some notaries will only work a fixed area such as Lower Manhattan, SOHO, NOHO, Battery Park or certain counties, like Kings, Queens, Nassau or Suffolk. Also, the notary may have special fee rates for going to a hospital, jail or airport. They may also have a special rate for traveling after a certain hour or late at night.

A Notary can also perform special services called Apostille processing. An Apostille document is one prepared to conform to the standards of the Hague Convention. Documents prepared in this manner are acceptable for use in countries that are signatories of the 1961 Hague Convention.

If a country was not a signatory to the 1961 Hague Convention then the document will have to be taken to the consulate of the foreign country to certify it for use in their country.

A notary can do other services such sign a Will, marry, if the state law allows, and witness the signing of mortgages. Notaries who sign mortgages are called Notary Signing Agent.

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Notary Signing Agents get their work assignments from title companies, banks, escrow companies, loan modification companies and settlement companies.

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So frustrating..but hey, it's Christmas!

jessthall — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:31:02 +0000

I have a story…as promised from yesterday’s blog. A couple of weekends ago I was getting frustrated because I still have not received my degree from the community college that I graduated from in June and they told me that I would get it four months after the completion of my classes; it has now been six months. I was looking through paperwork from the school and I decided that I should look at my transcript online to make sure that I actually did get the degree I thought that I applied for. Sure enough, my degree was posted, and even better, it was posted as a direct transfer degree. This means that when my classes got transferred to PLU I wouldn’t have to take any general university requirements. Unfortunately, for some reason PLU did not have me listed as having a direct transfer degree and they told me that I had to take 5 more classes. So I was already registered to take a class during J-term for one of the requirements to get it out of the way and I was so excited when I found out I didn’t have to take it. To make a long story short, I carried out so much correspondance with the school that pretty much went as follows: SPSCC sent my transcripts before my degree was posted so I would have to request a new official transcript, I did this and the school still has not received it (one frustrating thing), in the place of the class I am taking I was going to take a phsychology class so that I could get a minor but they were all full (pretty much a lose-lose situation there), if I did drop the class and the school received my transcript I could do two things: pay $450 for food and not take a class but just work or pay $200 for the late fee to cancel my room and stay home for an extra month and not work (also a lose-lose situation). There has been so much fuss and stress over this (and I am sure there is so much to the story I have left out as I have been dealing with this for the last 2+ weeks) that I just decided to keep the class because J-term tuition is free, I could still work, and then when PLU gets my transcript I would be fine and I would gain some new knowledge from the philosophy class that I am taking (I am trying to look at the silver lining). SOOOO that is the story.

In other more exciting news, tomorrow we are having our family chrismas party and I am really excited; it is my favorite part of Christmas!!!
This is last years Christmas tree…I just wanted something Christmasy on here though! And I won’t be such a butt about posting pictures on here so I will post some pictures from the partay tomorrow! Hope you are having a great weekend!

Victor Stenger debates William Lane Craig on the existence of God: Transcript of Stenger’s main speeches

manicstreetpreacher — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:41:49 +0000

Another manicstreetpreacher post where the clue is in the title American cosmologist Victor J Stenge

Higher Studies (MS) in US

distinctlyuniform — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:39:52 +0000

As my earlier posts would give you an idea (assuming you follow my posts! ) about my GRE and TOEFL experiences. The next on the list definitely had to be the application procedure. As an international student, the application procedure is even more complex than the usual. A lot of hidden costs, tiresome procedures await you. These are things I have discovered down the lane and don’t want it to come as a shock to the rest of you.

Lets begin with the application package. Your application package would consist of your Gradesheets, 3 Recommendation Letters, SoP (Statement of purpose), Financial Document (For most US universities), GRE score and your TOEFL score.Lets look at each of them closely.

First in the list are your Gradesheets or Transcripts. These have to be ORIGINAL copies issued by the controller of examinations of the university. Attested photocopies are NOT considered to be valid.

Coming to the Letters of Recommendation or LoR. You will need three LoR’s from your college professors or someone working in the industry whom you have worked with as in done an internship with or something similar. While asking your professor ensure it is soemone who has taught you so that he knows more about you as it will be weighed more than a LoR issued by a faculty who has not taught you or guided you for any of your projects. Another thing you can keep in mind is that it is preferable to ask professors with a doctorate. Again it is NOT mandatory but surely will be an added advantage. Also, you need to get each copy signed and sealed in an envelope. (Again no photocopies!)

The next document is your Financial document. This is the one document that did not fall in place for me this year so I guess I will have to wait another year to apply. Anyway about the financial document, this has to be a letter from the bank stating that you (or your sponsor) have certain amount of “READILY AVAILABLE FUNDS” for your education. The amount will cover your first years tuition fee and living expenses. Most of us think that property &/or salary slips would suffice but sadly that is not how it works. There are FEW universities in US which do not require the Financial document at the application time.

As for GRE and TOEFL, ets.org is what you should be looking up. You can book your exam dates and everything through that site. It is more like the bible for GRE and TOEFL! Regarding the preparation and GRE experience here is a link. For TOEFL experience and exam details click here.

Next is your statement of purpose. This might seem like a cake walk but you actually realize that this is one of the most time consuming processes. To come up with the final draft you need to come up with atleast 10-15 versions of it! And sometimes in the process of writing one you realize how little you know about yourself! Funny as it may seem but some questions like ‘Tell me about yourself’ or ‘whats your motivation to study’ etc become extremely tough to answer. The challenge is to make your SoP unique. There are a lot of samples available on the internet. I would suggest you DONT read any of them before you do your SoP. Just get some guidelines. I think this link can be of some help. After you have come up with a draft probably you can read some other SoPs and compare and rethink. But make it a point to NOT copy paste any lines as that may lead to a direct rejection. I dont think my SoP is all that great but in sometime I shall surely upload it IF that can be of help to anyone.

So now we are done with the details of the application package. Next thing we need to deal with is the shortlisting of universities. For those of you who do not have much of an idea regarding the good universities or how to come up with your wishlist, you can begin by using some ranking sites like usnews.com for reference. But do not follow these rankings blindly! Go through the universities homepage, department homepage find out about the GRE score required and the financial document details. I would suggest you maintain an excel containing these details (something I forgot to do and was in great trouble! ). This is again a time consuming procedure. You should come up with a list of universities to which you should send your GRE score depending on your score. For those of you who are not aware that as soon as your GRE exam ends you have to enter the college details of FOUR colleges to which your scores can be sent free of cost. So depending on your performance you need to enter your choice of universities. Have around 6 (minimum) universities in different score ranges. The choice has to be wise. Do NOT go for all ambitious universities. 2 in the high range, 2 medium and 2 sure shot universities. To come up with the final list a lot of effort needs to go in.

Application to US universities is not only time intensive but also cost intensive. When the process begins you will not realize that the cost of applying to say 6 universities approximately comes around 1Lakh Indian rupees. This is an approximate amount and is on the upper side but includes your GRE , TOEFL registration fee, score card fee, university application fee (varies from one univ to another), your courier service charges and also other miscellaneous expenses like issuing of the consolidated gradesheets, coaching (if any),etc.

So you need to think real hard before you make any decisions. Apart from the monetary aspect do consider your reasons to study further. Doing an MS because your friends are doing it is definitely not a good enough reason.

Next assuming you have prepared all the documents. You need to visit the webpage of each of the universities you wish to apply to. There will be an online application form that you will need to fill.For Fall the deadlines for international students start from december mid. Make sure you start the online application also well in advance as you will need to grant your recommender s ample time to submit the recommendation electronically also. After your application is complete you need to pay the application fee and send in the hard copy of your documents to the university. Within 2-3 months you will hear from the university. Cross your fingers and hope for the best!

If you have any questions you can feel free to ask. I’ll try and answer to the best of my knowledge! And I am hoping this post is helpful to you guys!

Transcript 17 Dec 2009

Marcia Conner — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:08:10 +0000

8:30:48 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
8:30:53 pm jaycross: Watch out for heavy volume! #lrnchat is about to begin. #lrnchat
8:31:16 pm Quinnovator: @Ginaschreck cat herder, lunatic fringe wrangler #lrnchat
8:31:32 pm lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
8:31:36 pm shantarohse: Getting my TweetChat primed for #lrnchat
8:31:39 pm Ginaschreck: @joe_deegan HA HA! Yes bandwidth is definitely a MUST HAVE in virtual worlds #lrnchat
8:31:51 pm jaycross: Wonderful day in the Bay Area. Blue skies. Slight nip in the air. #lrnchat
8:31:56 pm marciamarcia: Looking forward to tonight’s #lrnchat on immersive tech. Trying to immerse myself in it all as best as I can.
8:32:26 pm butwait: RT @Quinnovator laptop, check; game on, check; beer, check. Ready for #lrnchat next 90 mins furious tweeting, ignore or better yet, join in!
8:32:31 pm lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
8:32:48 pm gwoodill: Gary Woodill, three poodles and two cats from Canada. Brandon Hall Research. #lrnchat
8:33:09 pm KoreenOlbrish: balancing SL and chat is gonna be a challenge #lrnchat
8:33:13 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, Walnut Creek CA, learning design instigator, writer, speaker, consultant, trouble-maker, #lrnchat wrangler
8:33:15 pm BlakeGroup: Amy here! I’m a graphic designer/writer for clients in water utilities, healthcare, education, prof servs. Ready to learn! #lrnchat
8:33:16 pm JaneBozarth: RDU trainer, author, able multitasker, gubmint worker, drive too fast #lrnchat
8:33:19 pm lrnchat: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. 4) on #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm, welcome tho.
8:33:28 pm KAKoehler: Looking forward to the next 90 minutes with #lrnchat.
8:33:33 pm jaycross: Jay Cross, speaker and author, Berkeley hills, focus = performance, faves = reality, art, nature, time, learning, sex, travel #lrnchat
8:33:33 pm marciamarcia: Marcia Conner, #lrnchat founder, writing book on social media for learning, hear we’re getting 2ft of snow tomorrow in VA.
8:33:43 pm kkapp: #lrnchat professor Instructional Tech, Bloomsburg University, interested in VIEs, book on topic out in January…Learning in 3D #lrn3d
8:34:05 pm odguru: Christy from Guelph, On, Canada – knowledge networks, mentoring learning transfer and measurement. #lrnchat
8:34:07 pm Ginaschreck: Gina Schreck reporting for duty here in #lrnchat from Denver Colroado
8:34:08 pm JoelFoner: For my followers… I’ll be in a chat on #lrnchat for about an hour… so you’ll see higher than normal volume for an hour. #lrnchat
8:34:13 pm jsuzcampos: Jeannette Campos, ISD, Grad Prof, Small Bus Owner, Signing in from New Hampshire where it is a balmy 3 degrees! #lrnchat
8:34:18 pm sahana2802: Sahana from Pune, India, Instructional designer, passionate abt learning, believe in power of collective knowledge, hate to miss #lrnchat,
8:34:18 pm jaycross: RT When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. We aim to play nice. Sarcasm, welcome tho. #lrnchat
8:34:23 pm jkmind: #lrnchat Jesse from bitterly cold central NJ. I’m working on sims right now at work so perfect timing on the topic
8:34:25 pm kinda_gay: Hey followers … for next 90min I’ll be chatting about learning on #lrnchat.
8:34:26 pm lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about so they can chime in.
8:34:30 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth and twitter celebrity, with groupies and all! #lrnchat
8:34:38 pm ChristyATucker: Lots of activity in the next 90 minutes as I participate in #lrnchat
8:34:38 pm MikeAbrams: Michael Abrams Phoenix AZ #lrnchat
8:34:39 pm kellygarber: <– freelance instructional designer, looking for the lrnchat rehab program #lrnchat
8:34:50 pm gwoodill: Temperature about a nice -10 (that’s for Jay). Refreshing Canadian winter night. #lrnchat
8:35:14 pm reward75: Regina Ward, NYC jack of all things elearning #lrnchat
8:35:15 pm J_Schulz: John Schulz, Learning Techy Guy, Chicago #lrnchat
8:35:26 pm jaycross: Any of you Europeans take the hint to join us here? #lrnchat
8:35:31 pm SueSchnorr: Sue Schnorr, Rochester, NY – independent instructional design consultant #lrnchat
8:35:31 pm Mary_a_Myers: Mary Myers learning consultant trying to stay warm in cold temps in kingston, ON; coming down from a great client meeting high. #lrnchat
8:35:46 pm lrnchat: 6) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com, http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well.
8:35:53 pm KoreenOlbrish: Koreen Olbrish (SL: Nina Sommerfleck) immersive learning geek and ready for tonight’s chat. W00t! #lrnchat
8:36:05 pm bschlenker: #lrnchat Brent Schlenker – DevLearn – No books coming out – Arizona 74 degrees and awesome!
8:36:11 pm Mary_a_Myers: @jaycross in that order? #lrnchat
8:36:13 pm Quinnovator: @kellygarber rehab? If #lrnchat is wrong, I don’t want to be right
8:36:38 pm Ginaschreck: @lrnchat Glad to hear that sarcasm is welcome here in #lrnchat
8:36:41 pm lrnchat: 7) 10 min before end, tell us if you need anything from the other #lrnchat participants. Time to reintroduce yourself, too. Links welcome.
8:36:50 pm JaneBozarth: @quinnovator want an autograph? #lrnchat
8:37:40 pm gminks: Gina Minks – elearning person at EMC – more details coming soon, on winter break b4 my last sem @ FSU! and I love @janebozarth #lrnchat
8:37:41 pm chambo_online: @KoreenOlbrish what starting place will the #lrnchat SL be? (chamboonline Jillybean) #lrnchat
8:37:42 pm kkapp: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat, I do I do, or just a few books:)
8:37:50 pm lrnchat: Please RT important points & vital questions asked for clarification, so we don’t miss them amid the lively fast-paced #lrnchat
8:37:53 pm gwoodill: On topic – Alex Heiphetz & I have new book-virtual worlds for training & collaboration. http://tinyurl.com/ybw42q6 #lrnchat
8:38:24 pm joshcav: #lrnchat CEO, Lodestone Digital . Adobe Training Partner. Speaker. Captain Captivate. Rapid eLeanring dev tools. http://bit.ly/8HHwBv
8:38:29 pm gminks: RT @gwoodill: On topic – Alex Heiphetz & I have new book-virtual worlds for training & collaboration. http://tinyurl.com/ybw42q6 #lrnchat
8:38:43 pm urbie: #lrnchat urbie delgado, unlv.. doctoral student [owie].. journey-person level instructional designer.. http://www.ifthenmaybe.com..
8:38:51 pm Jenrocoh: hoping to bring elearning into 21st century for my org. Know nothing. Listening fiercely. #lrnchat
8:38:53 pm hjarche: I’m Harold, live on the Net, I’m tired & perhaps cranky (crankier than usual), so I’m just lurking tonight #lrnchat
8:39:04 pm JaneBozarth: And I love @gminks . It’s a Twitter thing. #lrnchat
8:39:07 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @gwoodill: On topic – Alex Heiphetz & I have new book-virtual worlds for training & collaboration. http://tinyurl.com/ybw42q6 #lrnchat
8:39:08 pm Quinnovator: RT @kkapp: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat, I do I do, or just a few books:)
8:39:11 pm kellygarber: @Quinnovator when I’m fixing to miss a project deadline yet I couldn’t miss lrnchat? …wrong, wrong, wrong … #lrnchat
8:39:14 pm lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome, also check out @lrn2day) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
8:39:37 pm butwait: Likely to be in & out tonite… have to help boy w/ post-practice shower, book-reading, etc. Princeton, NJ… about 12 degrees F. #lrnchat
8:39:41 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth yay. sigh. #lrnchat
8:39:51 pm marciamarcia: For those of you sharing ur SL names, hope you’ll offer advice to the rest on #lrnchat “if I could name myself again…”
8:39:58 pm KoreenOlbrish: @chambo_online http://bit.ly/6aINpd we’re here #lrnchat
8:40:00 pm Abhinava: Abhinava from Bangalore, India. Sleep deprived but at #lrnchat. Believe in creating holistic, optimism and elegant learning solutions…
8:40:04 pm Ginaschreck: If you want to pop in #lrnchat Second Life -there are a few of us here tweeting & visiting- location http://bit.ly/6aINpd
8:40:06 pm gminks: I learned that being able to communicate across domains is HARRDDDDD #lrnchat
8:40:10 pm jsuzcampos: @JaneBozarth: And I love @gminks . Its a Twitter thing. <<where’s @cammybean? She was feelin’ the #lrnchat love last week #lrnchat
8:40:17 pm gminks: @hjarche woowoo mr cranky! #lrnchat
8:40:22 pm Mary_a_Myers: I learned my social style: amiable expressive…but I’m not sure what it really means. #lrnchat
8:40:30 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1) have you been in a virtual world? If so, how? If not, why not? #lrnchat
8:40:33 pm ChristyATucker: Q0: This week I’ve been learning about Brinkerhoff’s Success Case Method for level 3 evaluation #lrnchat
8:40:34 pm JaneBozarth: I work for state govt. Ain’t that enough virtual reality? #lrnchat
8:40:42 pm kkapp: #lrnchat Yes, teach a class called Learning in 3D, we use SL and ProtoSphere
8:40:50 pm MikeAbrams: Just joined the group in Second Life. My SL name is “Milford Revnik”. going on 2 years #lrnchat
8:41:00 pm allisunelearns: Allisun O’Connell here, redwoods of N. Ca, work with Moodlerooms designing eLearning, into everything about eLearning. #lrnchat
8:41:02 pm davegray: Dave Gray checking in from St Louis #lrnchat
8:41:04 pm butwait: @lrn2day I learned today that even an offhand word of encouragement can mean the world to a struggling student. #lrnchat
8:41:09 pm odguru: Well, I’ve just learned about this great new book… http://tinyurl.com/ybw42q6 #lrnchat (via and by @wgoodill)
8:41:19 pm JaneBozarth: @gminks only loves me b/c I am planning her graduation party… #lrnchat
8:41:27 pm hjarche: @jaycross it’s bloody late in Europe #lrnchat
8:41:30 pm Quinnovator: q1) have been in-world, to meet with folks, attend presentations, no real formal learning #lrnchat
8:41:32 pm gminks: I need a new SL name. For my class next semester. I’ve been boycotting SL. grrr. #lrnchat
8:41:34 pm JoelFoner: RT @lrnchat: Q1) have you been in a virtual world? If so, how? If not, why not? #lrnchat
8:41:40 pm urbie: #lrnchat to paraphrase Gen. G.S. Patton, in training as in war, good-enough is the right strategy to pursue.. that’s what i learned..
8:41:40 pm gwoodill: Q0 – learned a political campaign is like a startup business. http://www.brandon-hall.com/workplacelearningtoday/?p=8656 #lrnchat
8:41:41 pm jaycross: Q1: Tried SL but couldn’t get into it. Proton Media works great for meetings. #lrnchat
8:41:47 pm reward75: Q0 I learned that women are socially penalized for negotiating #lrnchat
8:41:50 pm gminks: heh RT @JaneBozarth: I work for state govt. Aint that enough virtual reality? #lrnchat
8:41:53 pm kanor74: I am in SL now and on #lrnchat Come on in…. and join the fun! #lrnchat
8:41:58 pm ThomasStone: Thomas Stone, from Element K in Rochester, NY, where it is a lovely 9 degrees F at the moment. Warm and ready for #lrnchat
8:42:00 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) Never been in a virtual world. All I know about virtual worlds, I learned in one episode of The Office. (true confession) #lrnchat
8:42:01 pm Quinnovator: q0) what I learned this week: relearned to challenge myself (guess they’re called ’stretch goals’ now) #lrnchat
8:42:04 pm gminks: YOU ARE!!!???!!! RT @JaneBozarth: @gminks only loves me b/c I am planning her graduation party… #lrnchat
8:42:12 pm JoelFoner: I’ve been running virtual and “real world” projects and having bus mtgs in Second Life and other vw’s for about three years. #lrnchat
8:42:22 pm BlakeGroup: Q1 Have not yet visited Second Life or other virtual world….curious…what are the benefits? #lrnchat
8:42:24 pm SueSchnorr: checked out Second Life on friend’s account, to see what it’s all about #lrnchat
8:42:30 pm MikeAbrams: q1) used SL for networking meetups, formal/informal training, process mapping, teambuilding, team meetings #lrnchat
8:42:36 pm allisunelearns: Q) I learned yesterday that Blackboard CE does not support Firefox or IE8 #lrnchat
8:42:37 pm shapah: superb @butwait: @lrn2day I learned today that even an offhand word of encouragement can mean the world to a struggling student. #lrnchat
8:42:42 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth I’ve been talking tonight abt taking pics when I walk across the stage so I can tweet them. heh. #lrnchat
8:42:43 pm Mary_a_Myers: @jaycross i should have anticipated that answer #lrnchat
8:42:49 pm sahana2802: RT @Quinnovator q0) what I learned this week: relearned to challenge myself (guess they’re called ’stretch goals’ now) #lrnchat
8:42:56 pm kanor74: I’ve been in SL since ‘06…teach grad class here, manage office for rl company. Tons of educators in SL! #lrnchat
8:43:01 pm Quinnovator: q1) but watching powerpoint presentations just doesn’t seem to me to be real value proposition of VWs #lrnchat
8:43:01 pm ThomasStone: So for this #lrnchat are we all going to consistently use “SL” to mean “Second Life” instead of “Social Learning”? I’m assuming.
8:43:02 pm kellygarber: Q1 the question could be – have you been in the real world.. I could answer that in under 140 #lrnchat
8:43:03 pm JaneBozarth: @jsuzcampos I don’t know where @cammybean is. Her kids usually go to bed right around #lrnchat time
8:43:04 pm kkapp: @jaycross SL can be cumbersome at times #lrnchat still needs some work as does the whole space but moving in leaps and bounds
8:43:42 pm shantarohse: The last time I was in SL was early 2005. Has anything changed? #lrnchat
8:43:44 pm sahana2802: Learned this week that I can set up WebEx sessions on my own in spite of a sometime wonky connection. #lrnchat
8:43:48 pm everyselearning: I’m in now! Eliza Zulaman. Hi all! #lrnchat
8:43:58 pm JaneBozarth: My SL name is Janiebelle Beaumont but not there tonight b/c it would implode my little pink netbook #lrnchat
8:44:12 pm marciamarcia: Yes RT @ThomasStone So for this #lrnchat are we all going to consistently use “SL” to mean “Second Life” instead of “Social Learning”?
8:44:14 pm kkapp: @jsuzcampos That was a great episode, LOL at Dwight. #lrnchat
8:44:15 pm ChristyATucker: Q1) I’ve been in Second Life for an online conference over a year ago, but not anything recently #lrnchat
8:44:21 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth: @jsuzcampos I’m ready for another NE meet up. That will bring @cammybean out of hiding #lrnchat
8:44:24 pm kanor74: @ThomasStone Yes, SL for Second LIfe….but we won’t tell Linden Lab! #lrnchat
8:44:27 pm allisunelearns: Q1) I joined SL a year ago, attended a tour on the SLOODLE integration with Moodle, that’s about the end of it. #lrnchat
8:44:31 pm shapah: this week i re-learned: garbage in, garbage out #lrnchat
8:44:36 pm rbacal: Guilford’s Structure of Intellect: http://bit.ly/6CqaTc Originator of Multiple Intelligences. Born 1897 #lrnchat
8:44:38 pm Quinnovator: RT @kkapp: @jaycross SL can be cumbersome at times #lrnchat still needs some work as does the whole space but moving in leaps and bounds
8:44:39 pm sahana2802: @ErickTaft Good morning! missed ur tweet earlier in the stream…#lrnchat
8:44:43 pm JoelFoner: Benefits – better audio than conf calls, more engaging than speakerphone, less complex than video. Can script interactive things. #lrnchat
8:44:47 pm JaneBozarth: @quinnovator I’ll autograph every book you buy. #lrnchat
8:44:48 pm sspaz1000: @lrnchat Q0) I learned today to make sure to triple check stuff when typing up fixes for courses. #lrnchat
8:44:51 pm reward75: Q1 I did SL for a grad class and stayed on for a few months more. Gradually stopped going #lrnchat
8:44:57 pm kkapp: @shantarohse SL a little more stable, search is redesigned, no legal gambling #lrnchat
8:44:59 pm Ginaschreck: I am in Second Life as well as Reaction Grid- getting ready to do a big build project for profes devel in there #lrnchat
8:45:00 pm jaycross: Hi, Karl. Karl Kapp and Tony O’Driscoll have a new book coming out on learning in 3 dimensions. http://bit.ly/8bgrQB #lrnchat
8:45:01 pm Abhinava: To me… The internet is a virtual world… dReams and imagination also create VWs… #lrnchat – VWs are more real than we think… Q1
8:45:04 pm gminks: ok signing up again for SL. First name will be monet, what should my last name be? #lrnchat
8:45:07 pm spotlearning: Hi all. Been away, but glad to be back on #lrnchat
8:45:11 pm ThomasStone: Q0: I learned today that the quirky little book I published last year now has two customer reviews at Amazon http://bit.ly/8oS3ph #lrnchat
8:45:12 pm KoreenOlbrish: Can’t think of too many virtual worlds I haven’t been in… #lrnchat
8:45:13 pm kasey428: Sorry, late to the party: Kay Wood DC metro area, performance and learning specialist, ID extraordinaire #lrnchat
8:45:23 pm sahana2802: RT @gminks @JaneBozarth: @jsuzcampos I’m ready for another NE meet up. That will bring @cammybean out of hiding #lrnchat wish I were there.
8:45:36 pm gwoodill: Q1 – benefits of virtual worlds – presence! You quickly talk to people. Also, some of the sims I’ve seen are quite real. #lrnchat
8:45:38 pm butwait: @everyselearning Hi, Eliza! Glad you made it. 1) I think I’ve an SL account, but haven’t really spent any time. No MUST do impetus. #lrnchat
8:45:42 pm Quinnovator: my SL name is ‘Quinnovate Something’ (seriously!), but not trying tonite with #lrnchat, game, etc #lrnchat
8:45:45 pm joshcav: Q1: I tried Second Life and have used it on and off for a few years. My SL name is Lodestone Loon #lrnchat
8:45:58 pm JaneBozarth: Welcome @kkapp, who has a new book on the way.. Karl, pls tell us title/release date? #lrnchat
8:46:25 pm gminks: @sahana2802 awww I do too!!! #lrnchat
8:46:26 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth pshaw, I’ll do a book *exchange* #lrnchat
8:46:29 pm kellygarber: Q1 – SL is like going on a journey to another planet, every visit is about learning something new. (Cricket Crumb) #lrnchat
8:46:41 pm butwait: Family home, gotta scoot for a while, “Sweeties before tweeties,” as we say around here. Sorry, gang! Keep sharin’ the good stuff! #lrnchat
8:46:56 pm odguru: My first virtual reality experience was with Miramichi College in New Brunswick in 1996… Have done some SL and a few others. #lrnchat
8:47:03 pm Quinnovator: @davegray great to see you here! #lrnchat
8:47:04 pm tomkuehl: Tom eLearning Mgr NYC-yes second life tried to get something going at my org #lrnchat http://myloc.me/2a1Cm
8:47:07 pm jaycross: Does anyone publish books in SL yet? #lrnchat
8:47:09 pm MariaOD: Hi #lrnchat! WoW, its been awhile. Maria from Columbus,Ohio where you never know how the Bucks or the weather will do in any given moment!
8:47:14 pm kasey428: Signed up for SL 18 months ago. Had no clue what to do when I got in. Left & never went back. It’s not intuitive. #lrnchat
8:47:17 pm sahana2802: RT @jaycross Hi, Karl. Karl Kapp and Tony O’Driscoll have a new book coming out on learning in 3 dimensions. http://bit.ly/8bgrQB #lrnchat
8:47:28 pm kinda_gay: Please RT important points & vital questions asked for clarification, so we don’t miss them amid the lively fast-paced #lrnchat
8:47:29 pm MikeAbrams: @kellygarber the beauty is that you get a hand in creating the elements of that journey as well. you can be an architect #lrnchat
8:47:33 pm SueSchnorr: Q1 Has anyone used SL in corp training? #lrnchat
8:47:35 pm chambo_online: Lisa Chamberlin – SL novice, and just discovered social media is the path to enlightenment #justfinishedDan BrownTheLostSymbol #lrnchat
8:47:37 pm J_Schulz: Finally in SL (LearnMe Wizardly) – had to download new viewer. #lrnchat
8:47:37 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator Ok I’ll autograph every book you give me, too. #lrnchat
8:47:56 pm RickNielsen: #lrnchat rick here – the social learning possibilities relative to an internal IS incident reporting – of interest to me…
8:47:59 pm hybridkris: A little late to the #lrnchat party. Kris Rockwell, Pittsburgh, PA. ARG’s and Mobile learning punk.
8:48:06 pm kkapp: @JaneBozarth certainly, Learning in 3D: A New Dimension in Enterprise Learning & Collaboration #lrnchat
8:48:11 pm spotlearning: Q0. I haven’t been on SL in so long I should be embarrassed. Didn’t do much when there either. #lrnchat
8:48:12 pm shapah: good point – also relationships, regardless of plane, require the same ingredients @Abhinava: dreams and imagination create VWs #lrnchat
8:48:13 pm jaycross: RT @kellygarber: Q1 – SL is like a journey to another planet. | | | And the denizens look very odd. #lrnchat
8:48:22 pm kanor74: @kasey428 Sorry u had poor exper. Come back and we can get you started on gr8 new adventure! #lrnchat
8:48:35 pm kkapp: #lrnchat exclusive look at new web site for book under development look at new web site http://www.learningin3d.moonfruit.com/
8:48:37 pm JaneBozarth: My experience is mostly in attending workshops in SL #lrnchat
8:48:54 pm jkunrein: late to the party but happy to be here… Judy Unrein, ID in KC #lrnchat
8:49:00 pm MariaOD: @kasey428 I was on SL and saw lots of “adult” related things. Left because of lack of activities and also hard to use #lrnchat
8:49:09 pm J_Schulz: Apparently I need to figure out how to upgrade my SL appearance. #lrnchat
8:49:10 pm hjarche: I have stayed away from SL but last night was told how well it can work to train front-line hospitality workers #lrnchat
8:49:43 pm sahana2802: Haven’t done too much in SL except roam around now and then. Going to explore it today post the #lrnchat session.
8:49:47 pm kanor74: Adult content now segregated to their own area. #lrnchat
8:49:48 pm kkapp: Q0 #lrnchat virtual worlds work best when there is a reason &purpose to visit informal learning can occur but for 1st experience, have goal
8:49:52 pm Ginaschreck: #lrnchat Virtual worlds are destination & event driven – have a place to go or learing event to attend & its GREAT! without it can be weird
8:49:53 pm JaneBozarth: Karl Kapp’s new book w Tony O’Driscoll: RT @kkapp: “Learning in 3D: A New Dimension in Enterprise Learning & Collaboration” #lrnchat
8:49:57 pm Quinnovator: despite downside of current VW use (ppt presos; NSFW behavior), see huge upside oppt’y for formal & informal learning #lrnchat
8:50:01 pm MikeAbrams: SL has two worlds business/Education and entertainment. The borders are slowly being built to separate the two. Slow going. #lrnchat
8:50:09 pm kasey428: @kanor74 Make it intuitive. I don’t want to take days to figure it out. A clear how-to. #lrnchat
8:50:12 pm hjarche: If I was in SL I could have hair #lrnchat
8:50:14 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth trying to kill the resale value? #lrnchat
8:50:15 pm Mary_a_Myers: q1) i’ve spent minimal time in a virtual world…mainly due to time. signing up again now…iris magnifico #lrnchat
8:50:40 pm JoelFoner: When you’re in a meeting in a vw, you get a strong feeling of “being there” with the other ppl that goes past text chat or voice. #lrnchat
8:50:41 pm marciamarcia: @hjarche Have an example of org using SL to train front line hospitality workers? #lrnchat
8:50:43 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Ginaschreck: #lrnchat Virtual worlds are destination & event driven – have a place to go or learing event to attend
8:50:56 pm sahana2802: RT @JaneBozarth Karl Kapp’s new bk w Tony O’Driscoll: “Learning in 3D: A New Dimension in Enterprise Learning & Collaboration” #lrnchat
8:50:57 pm kkapp: #lrnchat let’s not forget many new “corporate” focused virtual worlds also available
8:51:01 pm urbie: @SueSchnorr #lrnchat tried it at a certain bank a couple of years ago. didn’t go over. that’s why i decided to strike out on my own..
8:51:02 pm KoreenOlbrish: SL is a pretty horrible intro to virtual worlds for a lot of people. Its too bad thats the only platform most people try out. #lrnchat
8:51:07 pm JaneBozarth: @Ginaschreck Yes that was my prob for a long time — I would go in to SL but then not know what to do #lrnchat
8:51:07 pm MariaOD: RT @hjarche: If I was in SL I could have hair <<lol #lrnchat
8:51:08 pm gwoodill: @SueSchnorr Our book has about 7-8 case studies of corporate training in SL. #lrnchat
8:51:17 pm Mary_a_Myers: i’ve seen great examples of usage esp for healthcare; hospital set ups, etc. #lrnchat
8:51:27 pm MikeAbrams: A challenge with Virtual worlds is the perception they will be too hard to navigate. Any new application takes time. #lrnchat
8:51:36 pm kkapp: @hjarche Yeah, I’ve got lots of hair in SL, trying to export to RL #lrnchat
8:51:36 pm shantarohse: RT @Ginaschreck: Virtual worlds are destination & event driven…without it can be weird. #lrnchat
8:51:44 pm teachernz: Following some new people in #lrnchat
8:51:47 pm hjarche: @marciamarcia not me, but can try to connect of you want details #lrnchat
8:51:51 pm marciamarcia: RT @JoelFoner When in a meeting in a vw, you get a strong feeling of “being there” w/ other ppl that goes past text chat or voice. #lrnchat
8:51:51 pm odguru: RT@Ginaschreck: #lrnchat Virtual worlds r destination & event driven – have a place to go or learing event to attend. same w/communities
8:51:58 pm reward75: I loved SL, made a few close friend there, I just didn’t have the time to continue #lrnchat
8:52:01 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator Don’t make me get the groupies. #lrnchat
8:52:06 pm Quinnovator: @hjarche hair? You can have wings! Horns! A tail! (I see a theme developing #lrnchat
8:52:09 pm Mary_a_Myers: @KoreenOlbrish so what would you recommend starting with? i am pretty new to VWs. #lrnchat
8:52:10 pm chambo_online: My students often can’t find the “assignments” button, not sure they’d stick around to figure out SL #lrnchat
8:52:12 pm jaycross: vw? My first thought: what does Volkswagen have to do with this? (Sorry, my wife’s father worked at the factor in Wolfsburg.) #lrnchat
8:52:14 pm kellygarber: @JaneBozarth @Ginaschreck Wasn’t it like that with Twitter at first? Got here but didn’t know what to do? #lrnchat
8:52:21 pm MariaOD: RT @shantarohse: RT @Ginaschreck: Virtual worlds are destination & event driven…without it can be weird. #lrnchat
8:52:24 pm hybridkris: @kkapp Let me know how that works out for you. #lrnchat
8:52:33 pm hjarche: @kkapp isn’t there an export hair to RL button? #lrnchat
8:52:36 pm Ginaschreck: If you want to see live feed of the group in SL check this out #lrnchat http://bit.ly/5hPGAt
8:52:38 pm Quinnovator: @kkapp right, Second Life isn’t the only VW platform #lrnchat
8:52:44 pm J_Schulz: @KoreenOlbrish But you’re sleeping in SL! What kind of intro is that?? #lrnchat
8:52:49 pm JaneBozarth: RT @KoreenOlbrish: SL pretty horrible intro to virtual worlds for lots of people.. too bad thats the only platform most people try #lrnchat
8:52:51 pm jkunrein: @Mary_a_Myers i’ve also seen some good examples in health care — latest one was training case mgrs to do home safety evaluations #lrnchat
8:52:54 pm MariaOD: We should take #lrnchat to SL!!! #lrnchat
8:52:56 pm jaycross: …factory… #lrnchat
8:52:58 pm allisunelearns: Seems like the future is development in the intersection of virtual worlds & augmented reality. #lrnchat
8:53:09 pm jkmind: #lrnchat I thnk somthing like twitter which is more intuitive is catching on faster as a lrning tool that SL. I jumped on lrncht but not SL
8:53:11 pm hybridkris: @KoreenOlbrish What VW’s do you recommend people try out? #lrnchat
8:53:19 pm JoelFoner: I’ve had ppl say “video is better”, but then work across time zones, and getting “ok for a webcam” at odd hours gets old #lrnchat
8:53:26 pm gminks: ok, they killed my avatar because my card got changed (bank reissued cards). I just hate SL. there I’ve said it #lrnchat
8:53:32 pm Quinnovator: RT @Ginaschreck: #lrnchat Virtual worlds are destination & event driven – have a place to go or learing event to attend
8:53:35 pm kasey428: RT @allisunelearns: Seems like the future is development in the intersection of virtual worlds & augmented reality. #lrnchat
8:53:41 pm shapah: @KoreenOlbrish good point – i’ve gathered that metaplace is friendlier for the average bear: http://bit.ly/7Ulgey #lrnchat
8:53:43 pm shantarohse: @reward75 How much time does SL “take” #lrnchat
8:53:43 pm JaneBozarth: @kellygarber Not like it was w/ SL, and I could at least look 4 friends and watch them… #lrnchat
8:53:47 pm KoreenOlbrish: @MariaOD we’re in there, just hard to navigate both SL and tweetchat #lrnchat
8:54:04 pm gwoodill: Q1 – U of Kansas School of Nursing has great simulation in SL. #lrnchat
8:54:09 pm jkmind: RT @kellygarber: @JaneBozarth @Ginaschreck Wasn’t it like that with Twitter at first? Got here but didn’t know what to do? #lrnchat
8:54:10 pm sahana2802: RT @kkapp #lrnchat let’s not forget many new “corporate” focused virtual worlds also available. Our org has also created an “SL space”.
8:54:13 pm ThomasStone: Those r good, hotel staff training 2 RT @Mary_a_Myers: i’ve seen great examples of usage esp for healthcare; hospital set ups, etc. #lrnchat
8:54:19 pm jaycross: @Quinnovator I just invited Claudia Linden to join us. Can you ping Joe Miller? #lrnchat
8:54:23 pm kkapp: @KoreenOlbrish No kidding #lrnchat
8:54:25 pm jsuzcampos: Can someone please explain the difference between SL and VW? (I have a lot to learn on this topic!). #lrnchat
8:54:28 pm JoelFoner: @KoreenOlbrish I think it’s only a difficult intro if unguided. We’ve brought lots of people in for events and had them say “wow”. #lrnchat
8:54:41 pm gminks: I had a paid acct, tons and tons of stuff including wonder woman outfit, and it all got deleted. I am not happy w/ SL service… #lrnchat
8:54:43 pm urbie: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat – it has a very low barrier to entry – brain-dead simple to use. other vr’s i’ve looked at hurt..
8:54:46 pm hjarche: RT @gminks: ok, they killed my avatar because my card got changed (bank reissued cards). I just hate SL. there Ive said it #lrnchat
8:54:47 pm MariaOD: @KoreenOlbrish what is the surl #lrnchat
8:54:49 pm minutebio: RT @jkunrein: @Mary_a_Myers ive also seen some examples in health care –EMTs and rescue workers have used too #lrnchat
8:54:54 pm odguru: @allisunelearns – Yes hearing a lot about augmented reality lately. #lrnchat
8:54:57 pm paulswansen: RT @gwoodill: Q1 – U of Kansas School of Nursing has great simulation in SL. #lrnchat
8:54:59 pm marciamarcia: @KoreenOlbrish So are you tweeting from w/in SL or have both running side by sideish? #lrnchat
8:55:06 pm Ginaschreck: Im excited about getting going in Reaction Grid-more PG rated – lots of educators there and bringing students – #lrnchat
8:55:12 pm shantarohse: @KoreenOlbrish I continue to marvel at your many concurrent skills #lrnchat
8:55:14 pm Mary_a_Myers: @jsuzcampos second life is one virtual world platform. #lrnchat
8:55:17 pm KoreenOlbrish: @hybridkris i think most of the other VWs are easier to navigate…I like Protosphere for biz (high end), VenueGen (low cost) #lrnchat
8:55:18 pm MikeAbrams: @ErickTaft In SecondLife, yes. We are gathered and dancing around while typing in #lrnchat.
8:55:18 pm kellygarber: @JaneBozarth right, but with SL-you get to run around and bump into ppl while you try to figure out how to walk and fly! #lrnchat
8:55:24 pm sahana2802: I am not quite sure what to do once I am in SL altho I do have an avatar…and “it” is young and svelte and all things I am not. #lrnchat
8:55:31 pm kkapp: #lrnchat VW allow for a feeling of “being” there. research indicates people behave in VW like they do in RL, social space, reactions
8:55:34 pm SueSchnorr: @gwoodill book sounds interesting; pls give title – I’m intersted in case studies of corporate training in SL. #lrnchat
8:55:38 pm kasey428: @gminks I am not moved to take on an alternate persona for some reason. It is a bit disturbing to see how people want to be in VW. #lrnchat
8:55:40 pm JaneBozarth: @jkmind No. #lrnchat
8:55:40 pm Quinnovator: at least a field trip RT @MariaOD: We should take #lrnchat to SL!!!
8:55:50 pm KoreenOlbrish: @marciamarcia side by sideish–not too easy #lrnchat
8:55:54 pm ChristyATucker: Second Life is overwhelming without a guide/mentor and some initial structured activities #lrnchat
8:55:57 pm Quinnovator: or blend RT @allisunelearns: Seems like the future is development in the intersection of virtual worlds & augmented reality. #lrnchat
8:56:00 pm hjarche: barrier to twitter much lower than SL – am I wrong? #lrnchat
8:56:05 pm shantarohse: There are many good SL examples in healthcare. I wonder why that is. #lrnchat
8:56:21 pm Mary_a_Myers: @kellygarber @janebozarth i’ve spent lots of time typing at the wall too #lrnchat
8:56:24 pm KoreenOlbrish: @shantarohse LOL, i’m not too “active” in SL right now tho #lrnchat
8:56:29 pm gminks: I advised against using SL because the platform wasn’t stable when we tested it #lrnchat
8:56:33 pm jsuzcampos: Thank you @Mary_a_Myers for the explanation “second life is one virtual world platform” (I had no idea!) #lrnchat
8:56:41 pm jaycross: RT @ChristyATucker: Second Life is overwhelming without a guide/mentor and some initial structured activities #lrnchat
8:56:46 pm joshcav: @gminks A wonder woman outfit.. deleted! No way… I can see how you would be turned off by SL #lrnchat
8:56:48 pm sahana2802: RT @kkapp #lrnchat VW allow for a feeling of “being” there.research indicates people behave in VW like they do in RL,social space, reactions
8:56:49 pm MariaOD: I cannot figure out how to put my undergarment on! Dang! Do I need to pay? #lrnchat
8:56:51 pm jkunrein: biggest prob i have w/ SL is my avatar’s clothes are slower to load than my avatar’s body #lrnchat
8:56:58 pm gminks: @kasey428 I looked like me. But I had a WW outfit. Which is alot like me. LOL #lrnchat
8:57:06 pm allisunelearns: @shantarohse I find healthcare to be ahead of other industries in much of eLearning in general, especially nursing #lrnchat
8:57:08 pm marciamarcia: RT @sahana2802 Not quite sure what to do once in SL altho I have an avatar & “it” is young and svelte and all things I am not. #lrnchat
8:57:10 pm jmarrapodi: Yay! Back from the freebie Nutcracker performance at the library in time to join the chat. Hi from Jean Marrapodi in Providence, RI #lrnchat
8:57:15 pm JaneBozarth: Yes. RT @hjarche: barrier to twitter much lower than SL – am I wrong? #lrnchat
8:57:18 pm JoelFoner: @hjarche agreed – barrier lower – different advantages. twitter touches everything incl txt on phones. sl is best for other things #lrnchat
8:57:22 pm reward75: @shantarohse As much as you want, but it’s easy to get involved in things. Group meetings, hanging w/ friends. Home life suffered #lrnchat
8:57:26 pm odguru: Would be an interesting study to look at VW personas in comparison to their creators. #lrnchat
8:57:36 pm oxala75: ok, wuddimiss? #lrnchat
8:57:40 pm DavidAKnopf: RT @ChristyATucker: Second Life is overwhelming without a guide/mentor and some initial structured activities | Like First Life! #lrnchat
8:57:45 pm kellygarber: @Mary_a_Myers hahaha – I have a knack for walking into concrete and getting stuck #lrnchat
8:57:48 pm MikeAbrams: she is dancing around to Thriller at the moment with @Ginaschreck @KoreenOlbrish in SL: @shantarohse #lrnchat
8:58:07 pm gwoodill: @SueSchnorr Training & Collaboration w/ Virtual Worlds: How to Create Cost-Saving, Efficient and Engaging Programs McGraw-Hill #lrnchat
8:58:08 pm ThomasStone: @JoelFoner I suspect longterm, for mtgs, video will win out (eg Cisco telepresence), with option of static image if in pajamas #lrnchat
8:58:15 pm urbie: #lrnchat any one know of research on SL in education training? i’m interested in how avatar appearance gates learning
8:58:17 pm KoreenOlbrish: @MariaOD http://bit.ly/6aINpd here we are #lrnchat
8:58:18 pm marciamarcia: WTH? RT @jkunrein Biggest prob i have w/ SL is my avatar’s clothes are slower to load than my avatar’s body #lrnchat
8:58:28 pm kanor74: We are all dancing in SL NOW! #lrnchat
8:58:30 pm hjarche: @JoelFoner thx Joel! I’ve stayed away fm SL as clients just aren’t interested #lrnchat
8:58:34 pm gminks: are ppl in SL right now? slurl plz? #lrnchat
8:58:34 pm chambo_online: Can any VW be accessed on mobile? I tweet, check LMS, etc. from my fone. #lrnchat
8:58:40 pm MariaOD: @jmarrapodi i paid 115 to see it Sat. Lucky you! #lrnchat
8:58:42 pm sahana2802: RT @JaneBozarth Yes. RT @hjarche: barrier to twitter much lower than SL – am I wrong? #lrnchat I have not yet been able to connect to SL.
8:58:57 pm jmarrapodi: @sahana2802 Svelte is a state of mind, dearie. #lrnchat
8:59:06 pm shantarohse: @reward75 OK be frank. On an addiction, how does SL compare to twitter? #lrnchat
8:59:10 pm gwoodill: @kasey428 I took on an alternative persona when I spent a year in France. Every environment does that to you. #lrnchat
8:59:11 pm chambo_online: @urbie Chris Dede is doing science ed research #lrnchat
8:59:14 pm reward75: @marciamarcia That’s a whole other issue with VWs, how to represent urself, can be good and bad at the same time #lrnchat
8:59:23 pm Ginaschreck: #lrnchat we are all doing the THRILLER dance here in SL! Sorry we got distracted
8:59:38 pm jmarrapodi: @MariaOD It was pretty good too. New school getting PR and showing of their kids’ talents. #lrnchat
8:59:49 pm kasey428: What subjects are best for VW? Certainly not an accounting or analytics. Group design projects? Science subject? #lrnchat
9:00:03 pm MikeAbrams: @gminks http://slurl.com/secondlife/MSIT/220/147/34 #lrnchat
9:00:03 pm hybridkris: @chambo_online There is a project underway to bring SL to the iPhone. #lrnchat
9:00:03 pm JoelFoner: @hjarche direct experience changes that belief pretty quickly for most. Many pre-decide based on assumptions. #lrnchat
9:00:11 pm marciamarcia: @urbie I’ve been talking with @moehlert a bunch about that this week. He says the opposite of gate. Opens. #lrnchat
9:00:14 pm JaneBozarth: Also RT @gwoodill:Training & Collaboration w/ Virtual Worlds: How to Create Cost-Saving, Efficient & Engaging Programs McGraw-Hill #lrnchat
9:00:28 pm jmarrapodi: RT @ChristyATucker: Second Life is overwhelming without a guide/mentor and some initial structured activities | Like First Life! #lrnchat
9:00:59 pm sahana2802: RT @JaneBozarth RT @gwoodill:Training & Collaboration w/ VWs: How to Create Cost-Saving, Efficient & Engaging Programs McGraw-Hill #lrnchat
9:00:59 pm gwoodill: @shantarohse There are also lots of games in healthcare. I think its because healthcare is expensive – trying to cut costs. #lrnchat
9:01:00 pm hjarche: @JoelFoner still gotta go where the money is #lrnchat
9:01:02 pm hybridkris: @chambo_online Also, there have been a number of MMO’s that have released mobile tie-ins. #lrnchat
9:01:04 pm SueSchnorr: I’m on it! @gwoodill Training & Collaboration w/ Virtual Worlds: How to Create Cost-Saving, Efficient&Engaging Programs McGrawHill #lrnchat
9:01:08 pm Quinnovator: @jaycross I’ve pinged him by email, not online #lrnchat
9:01:12 pm jaycross: RT @hybridkris: @chambo_online There is a project underway to bring SL to the iPhone.||| Good luck with the bandwidth of the iPhone #lrnchat
9:01:13 pm rbacal: @Ginaschreck Just dropping in. THAT is amazing (SL), and you know I’m not easily impressed by social media. #lrnchat Sorry, gotta run.
9:01:14 pm KoreenOlbrish: @gminks SL slurl: http://bit.ly/6aINpd #lrnchat
9:01:21 pm reward75: @shantarohse For me Twitter is easier cuz u can catch up later, SL is more real time, if you’re not there u feel like u miss a lot #lrnchat
9:01:21 pm spotlearning: @hybridkris Oh great, now the guy in the SUV beside me can call a virtual doctor when he runs me off the road! #lrnchat
9:01:30 pm ThomasStone: @kasey428 Agreed re: alternate persona. I’m not oblivious to the reasons for this, but I think that won’t catch on in biz. #lrnchat
9:01:30 pm Quinnovator: @chambo_online believe protosphere has social network accessible inworld or from desktop, not yet via mobile #lrnchat
9:01:34 pm marciamarcia: Well said! RT @JoelFoner Direct experience changes that belief pretty quickly for most. Many pre-decide based on assumptions. #lrnchat
9:01:40 pm sahana2802: RT @jmarrapodi RT @ChristyATucker: Second Life is overwhelming without a guide/mentor and some initial structured activities | Yes! #lrnchat
9:01:41 pm szpak: @marciamarcia What to do in SL? Get to know real people, “from the inside out”, and explore embodiment and presence, yours & theirs #lrnchat
9:01:44 pm jkunrein: oh at&t will loooove that RT @hybridkris: @chambo_online There is a project underway to bring SL to the iPhone. #lrnchat
9:01:45 pm minutebio: RT @kasey428: What subjects are best for VW? Soft skills. Sales…I believe Harvard Law even has a court room for role-play #lrnchat
9:01:46 pm Ginaschreck: @shantarohse Anything that is FUN and offers chance to learn and share with others is addicting in my book #lrnchat
9:01:57 pm KoreenOlbrish: I’m kinda amused that I’m dancing to Thriller with a bunch of my #lrnchat peeps. awesome. #lrnchat
9:02:13 pm odguru: In most VWs there is no expectation that URr avatar IS u, just that it REPRESENTS u.Unlike Facebook where it seems creepy to lie… #lrnchat
9:02:18 pm shantarohse: Someone tweeted SL is NOT a good intro. Then what is(for the timid)? #lrnchat
9:02:24 pm allisunelearns: @kasey428 Engineering has been taught w/ SL & a paper written on it https://www.sloodle.org/blog/?p=157 #lrnchat
9:02:29 pm ThomasStone: 100 times lower… multiple barriers lower! RT @hjarche: barrier to twitter much lower than SL – am I wrong? #lrnchat
9:02:38 pm JoelFoner: Just talked to @ginaschreck. She I will put together a guided first experience, discussion, and tour sometime soon. #lrnchat
9:02:47 pm MariaOD: RT @KoreenOlbrish: Im kinda amused that Im dancing to Thriller with a bunch of my #lrnchat peeps. awesome.<<lol #lrnchat
9:02:51 pm shantarohse: RT @reward75: For me Twitter is easier cuz u can catch up later, SL is more real time, if youre not there u feel like u miss a lot #lrnchat
9:02:57 pm jmarrapodi: Looks like Firefox doesn’t like Second Life? Can’t open @ginaschreck’s link there. Says it doesn’t know the program. Odd. #lrnchat
9:03:00 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q2a) which virtual environment (aug.reality, virt.worlds)do you think’s more ready for use in workplace training? #lrnchat
9:03:05 pm everyselearning: I’ve been dancing to Thriller on SL #lrnchat
9:03:08 pm marciamarcia: @szpak Welcome, Mark, where the heck did you come from? First @Ginaschreck, then you? What a day, what an evening! #lrnchat
9:03:14 pm teachernz: dancing to thriller in SL #lrnchat
9:03:15 pm gwoodill: @jkunrein Males have a problem with their bodies in SL – no penis. You have to buy one…. #lrnchat
9:03:18 pm KoreenOlbrish: Once you get past the novelty of it, people and relationships are the reasons to go back into virtual worlds #lrnchat
9:03:18 pm sahana2802: RT @allisunelearns @kasey428 Engineering has been taught w/ SL & a paper written on it https://www.sloodle.org/blog/?p=157 #lrnchat
9:03:36 pm dwilkinsnh: I’ve tried SL on two occasions. Eventually wrote a couple of posts on it: http://bit.ly/8QIVVg and http://bit.ly/7Hl2eA #lrnchat
9:03:39 pm Mary_a_Myers: i’ve seen examples of events with “classroom” set ups too in SL. but i always wondered what the advantage was over webex etc. #lrnchat
9:03:45 pm kanor74: SL is used for training in education, medicine, engineering, architecture, etc. #lrnchat
9:03:46 pm ThomasStone: @shantarohse Because it gives a safe environment to learn from failure — healthcare training nec. very safety conscious. #lrnchat
9:03:50 pm jmarrapodi: @szpak Do you find people are more “real” in SL? Teens create alternate personas. #lrnchat
9:03:51 pm JoelFoner: One way to handle the realtime and catch-up is to record video stream @shantarohse and @reward75. #lrnchat
9:03:57 pm wadatripp: #lrnchat jay cross told me you were all discussing immersive lrng tonight. Out at dinner but wanted to at least say hello!
9:03:58 pm Quinnovator: Q2a) actually think VW closer to being ready for primetime (mobile device layers/compass etc still not ubiquitous) #lrnchat
9:04:01 pm hybridkris: @spotlearning Kind of like the girls in Aus who got caught in the sewer used a phone to post a msg on FB rather than call police. #lrnchat
9:04:01 pm jmarrapodi: RT @KoreenOlbrish: Once you get past the novelty of it, people and relationships are the reasons to go back into virtual worlds #lrnchat
9:04:04 pm MikeAbrams: @gwoodill umm..that isn’t a required purchase for training. lol #lrnchat
9:04:04 pm jkmind: @JoelFoner #lrnchat let me know when. I’d like to join
9:04:08 pm shantarohse: RT @JoelFoner: Just talked to @ginaschreck. She I will put together a guided first experience, discussion, and tour sometime soon. #lrnchat
9:04:25 pm joe_deegan: Definitely great for soft skills and sales RT @minutebio @kasey428: What subjects are best for VW? Soft skills. Sales… #lrnchat
9:04:28 pm sahana2802: RT @KoreenOlbrish Once you get past the novelty of it, people and relationships are the reasons to go back into virtual worlds #lrnchat
9:04:30 pm rbacal: @Ginaschreck Umm. you were calling me, but I’m lost. I’m watchin on joelfone. #lrnchat
9:04:33 pm reward75: @jmarrapodi U can’t access SL via a browser, u have to use an SL viewer – a program to access the platform #lrnchat
9:04:37 pm dwilkinsnh: Was big fan of ProtonMedia for awhile, but they were being shopped last I knew (2 yrs ago). Anyone know if they are still around? #lrnchat
9:04:38 pm jmarrapodi: @KoreenOlbrish Guess that relationship thing is what social media is all about , huh? #lrnchat
9:04:45 pm ChristyATucker: RT @jmarrapodi: RT @KoreenOlbrish: Once you get past the novelty of it, people and relationships are the reasons to go back to VWs #lrnchat
9:04:49 pm Quinnovator: true for twitter too, no? RT @KoreenOlbrish: Once past novelty, people and relationships are reasons to go back into VWs #lrnchat
9:05:05 pm jbrogley: @teachernz Where are you man?! #lrnchat
9:05:05 pm kkapp: Q2A try http://protonmedia.com/trial-download/ or venugen to start for a corporate intro of a VW #lrnchat
9:05:07 pm jkunrein: @gwoodill female SL avatars aren’t really bio-correct either. #lrnchat
9:05:08 pm kanor74: the psychology in SL is interesting. Avatars are truly extension in trms of energy, feelings, etc. #lrnchat
9:05:39 pm jmarrapodi: @teachernz Great icon! #lrnchat
9:05:41 pm kanor74: Meeting ‘f2f’ in SL is very important dimention over web conf. #lrnchat
9:05:43 pm urbie: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat anecdotal observation or evidence?
9:05:50 pm MariaOD: RT @Quinnovator: true for twitter too, no? RT @KoreenOlbrish:Once past novelty, people and relationships are reasons to go back2VWs #lrnchat
9:05:56 pm jmarrapodi: @kanor74 Love the Santa hat! #lrnchat
9:06:03 pm teachernz: @Quinnovator I guess second life looks like the most ready, but there are others out there, not mature yet #lrnchat
9:06:15 pm hybridkris: Q2: It interests me that folks have looked at WoW for training entrepreneurial skills. #lrnchat
9:06:18 pm wadatripp: #lrnchat Lots of stuff about Immersive learning and the emergence of the “Immernet” on my blog: http://wadatripp.wordpress.com
9:06:19 pm KoreenOlbrish: i almost just bumped into @hybridkris in SL. Sorry! (definitely extension of self) #lrnchat
9:06:29 pm joe_deegan: Second Life lost me at setting up the Avatar. Needs to be easier to get jump started. #lrnchat
9:06:31 pm kkapp: @dwilkinsnh Around stil not being shopped, just integrated with SharePoint, doing neat stuff #lrnchat http://protonmedia.com/trial-download/
9:06:31 pm chambo_online: My learning curve for Twitter – 30 seconds – Still can’t figure out how to dance the Thriller tonight. #lrnchat
9:06:31 pm JoelFoner: SL is not a replacement for F2F, or for voice only, or text chat, but does fill a good space between them. #lrnchat
9:06:37 pm gminks: ok I’m in sl #lrnchat
9:06:39 pm dwilkinsnh: I have to say though I can’t see the majority of learners in a virt world; most still don’t know basic soc media like Wikis & tags #lrnchat
9:06:44 pm jmarrapodi: RT @kanor74: the psychology in SL is interesting. Avatars are truly extension in trms of energy, feelings, etc. #lrnchat
9:06:47 pm gminks: so hating my new avatarar #lrnchat
9:06:50 pm gwoodill: @jkunrein SL is interesting for gender switching. Try being a man for awhile. You’ll see how difficult it really is…:-) #lrnchat
9:06:52 pm kasey428: As a govt. contractor who develops materials in financial mgt. VWs really would be a stretch delivery method. Can’t see it. #lrnchat
9:06:59 pm hybridkris: Q2: Also of note, Aeroflot uses SL to teach English language for aviation. They have AI to teach English. #lrnchat
9:07:06 pm hjarche: @marciamarcia @szpak OK – I’ve met Mark but I’ve talked much more to Marcia (virtually) – weird world #lrnchat
9:07:09 pm Quinnovator: agreed RT @teachernz: @Quinnovator I guess second life looks like the most ready, but there are others out there, not mature yet #lrnchat
9:07:13 pm KoreenOlbrish: @urbie actually, my personal experience…spent 6 months in world and researched what drew people back (and me too!) #lrnchat
9:07:21 pm chambo_online: Now my avatar is dancing and I didn’t do it…longer learning curve in SL for sure. #lrnchat
9:07:25 pm JoelFoner: It allows construction of real simulations – interactive environments that are scripted to respond and teach. Great hospital sims. #lrnchat
9:07:30 pm Ginaschreck: @kanor74 I agree – “Face2FAce” is important benefit in virtual worlds-even if face is avatar face #lrnchat
9:07:35 pm allisunelearns: Has there been any development in blending games & virtual worlds? #lrnchat
9:07:47 pm jmarrapodi: @teachernz If avitars are extensions, do U think people “brand” them like the concepts of “personal branding” -design the persona? #lrnchat
9:07:56 pm sahana2802: @gminks So am I… What do I do now that I am in SL? #lrnchat
9:07:58 pm gminks: I can see it for some types of training #lrnchat
9:07:59 pm odguru: RT: @dwilkinsnh … can’t see the majority of learners in a virt world; most still don’t know basic soc media like Wikis & tags #lrnchat
9:07:59 pm jkunrein: @gwoodill or, for that matter, species-switching… #lrnchat
9:08:05 pm MikeAbrams: http://twitpic.com/tyjbo – Picture of the crowd in Second Life participating in #lrnchat
9:08:20 pm dwilkinsnh: @kkapp Well if ProtonMedia is still around, I’d give them a real look – got a real deep dive a couple of yrs ago, very impressive #lrnchat
9:08:23 pm JoelFoner: Many folks report that once you “do” have a f2f relationship with someone, the connection in a VW is much stronger. #lrnchat
9:08:31 pm gwoodill: @kasey428 Wells Fargo had a presence in SL for awhile – to teach teens about managing money. #lrnchat
9:08:38 pm Ginaschreck: @gminks You will get it jazzed up! I will give you some great clothes and stuff #lrnchat
9:08:41 pm jmarrapodi: RT @JoelFoner: SL is not a replacement for F2F, or for voice only, or text chat, but does fill a good space between them. #lrnchat
9:08:43 pm Quinnovator: RT @dwilkinsnh: have to say can’t see majority of learners in a VW; most still don’t know basic soc media like Wikis & tags #lrnchat
9:08:47 pm jkmind: #lrnchat i stl thnk use the right tool for the right content. don’t just do it for the coolness
9:08:51 pm kanor74: Branding..absolutely! I am branded as Emilia Cornwall across my digital footprint #lrnchat
9:09:03 pm Ginaschreck: @jmarrapodi It requires you to set up your fee acct and download program – takes abt 10 min #lrnchat
9:09:18 pm gminks: @sahana2802 dance like a zombie apparently #lrnchat
9:09:22 pm jkunrein: @hybridkris it interests me that people use WoW for anything other than entertainment. i play but i don’t consider it a VW. #lrnchat
9:09:32 pm kkapp: #lrnchat F2F not always possible, VWs can add extra learning & collaboration between F2F events.augment not replace existing learning events
9:09:41 pm hybridkris: @allisunelearns There are groups that use MMO’s for learning. I think that would qualify. #lrnchat
9:09:43 pm Ginaschreck: @rbacal Which avatar is YOU? I can’t beleive you are here??!! #lrnchat
9:09:44 pm gminks: RT @jkmind: #lrnchat i stl thnk use the right tool for the right content. dont just do it for the coolness #lrnchat
9:09:47 pm Mary_a_Myers: it’s been diffficult to even get across the value of twitter…but never say never! #lrnchat
9:10:01 pm teachernz: @jmarrapodi i just tried to make me look as much like me as possible. turned out younger and thinner #lrnchat
9:10:02 pm KoreenOlbrish: i actually don’t think SoMe is a stepping stone to virtual worlds…completely different user experience and immersive quality #lrnchat
9:10:22 pm urbie: @SueSchnorr #lrnchat iboggling to me how the training venues in SL look like places in hotels where workshops are held. they don’t get it
9:10:26 pm gminks: RT @Ginaschreck thats my issue. I HAD cool clothes. I got screwed by SL’s horrible support #lrnchat
9:10:33 pm HalellyAzulay: Very cool bunch! RT @MikeAbrams: http://twitpic.com/tyjbo – Picture of the crowd in Second Life participating in #lrnchat
9:10:34 pm jaycross: RT @MikeAbrams: http://twitpic.com/tyjbo – Picture of the crowd in Second Life participating in ||| I love it! Luigi Pirandello #lrnchat
9:10:35 pm chambo_online: I don’t see tech newbies loving anything that has multiple menus for directions – it’s gotta be intuitive. #lrnchat
9:10:39 pm odguru: RT @jkmind: #lrnchat i stl thnk use the right tool for the right content. dont just do it for the coolness
9:10:43 pm kanor74: Cost savings to meet in SL…no travel, hotels, meals, etc. #lrnchat
9:10:47 pm Quinnovator: find interesting similarities between ARG and VWs: both are augmenting world just whether virtual or real #lrnchat
9:10:49 pm teachernz: @Quinnovator and others are open… can host yourself if inclined to or able to #lrnchat
9:10:59 pm kasey428: I would like to learn more about VWs for my own benefit. Just can’t see it for my clients and the subject matter we focus on. #lrnchat
9:10:59 pm dwilkinsnh: I think biggest use of virt world is stuff that benefits from sim of virtual objects like insurance adjusting; what else? #lrnchat
9:11:05 pm jaycross: RT @KoreenOlbrish: i actually dont think SoMe is a stepping stone to virtual worlds…completely different user experience #lrnchat
9:11:09 pm allisunelearns: RT @KoreenOlbrish: i actually dont think SoMe is a stepping stone to virtual worlds…different user experience & immersive quality #lrnchat
9:11:11 pm MariaOD: RT@jkmind: #lrnchat i stl thnk use the rght tool for the right cntent.dnt just do it for thecoolness<yes but dnt underestimate PLAY #lrnchat
9:11:12 pm sahana2802: RT @kkapp #lrnchat F2F not always possible, VWs add extra learning & collaboration btn F2F events, augment not replace existing lrng events
9:11:17 pm chambo_online: Right tool for the right content, but also right tool for the learners #lrnchat
9:11:17 pm Quinnovator: still, think learning design principles for Real world hold for VWs too #lrnchat
9:11:19 pm MikeAbrams: virtual worlds have their place, just like any other training delivery mechanism. Used properly, powerful. Overused…pointless #lrnchat
9:11:22 pm reward75: @dwilkinsnh Each SoMe method is independent of each other, I used and understood SL b4 I ever used a wiki #lrnchat
9:11:23 pm KoreenOlbrish: in other words, just because you don’t “get” Twitter/wikis/blogs doesn’t mean you won’t “get” virtual worlds #lrnchat
9:11:29 pm jkmind: RT @Mary_a_Myers: it’s been diffficult to even get across the value of twitter…but never say never! #lrnchat
9:11:30 pm kanor74: My grad student had no exper. in SL…after 5 sessions, loved it! #lrnchat
9:11:31 pm Ginaschreck: @gminks BOO- great clothes and shoes definitely make the avatar! #lrnchat
9:11:33 pm joshcav: Has anyone been involved with a scripted environment roll-out in SL? How much did it cost? #lrnchat
9:11:37 pm JoelFoner: One way to think about vw’s for bus and edu is that if you are trying for social interaction and vid doesn’t work, good option. #lrnchat
9:11:40 pm Quinnovator: @wadatripp you’re not reading my blog, steadily being corrupted #lrnchat
9:11:41 pm Ginaschreck: @rbacal too funny! #lrnchat
9:11:45 pm urbie: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat can you share your research or is it proprietary?
9:11:47 pm minutebio: RT @Mary_a_Myers: its been difflt to even get across the value of twitter.. –best way is to get them to use. Need 2 experience it #lrnchat
9:11:55 pm hybridkris: @jkunrein There is a great book about it that was published by MIT Press. I don’t have the title handy though. #lrnchat
9:11:59 pm RobRobertson: Agreed! RT @KoreenOlbrish dont think SoMe is stepping stone to virtual world completely different user experience & immersive qlty #lrnchat
9:12:07 pm kkapp: #lrnchat remember when we had to teach that underlined words on the web were links & opened new windows…now its natural VWs headed there
9:12:10 pm shantarohse: RT @KoreenOlbrish: … SoMe is [not] a stepping stone to virtual worlds…completely different user experience & immersive quality #lrnchat
9:12:13 pm chambo_online: @KoreenOlbrish Reverse is true as well. #lrnchat
9:12:16 pm Quinnovator: @wadatripp still some ‘issues’ however (cf #Lrnchat dialog of ‘overhead)
9:12:19 pm jaycross: RT @kanor74: Cost savings to meet in SL…no travel, hotels, meals, etc. ||| Same deal with telephones, web ex, etc. #lrnchat
9:12:26 pm KAKoehler: RT @Quinnovator: still, think learning design principles for Real world hold for VWs too #lrnchat : agreed
9:12:41 pm gwoodill: @MikeAbrams Where is the #lrnchat group gathering in SL? #lrnchat
9:12:46 pm dwilkinsnh: I wonder though too if maybe I’m not a good exemplar. I mean, I don’t even like to take the time to create a Mii on my Wii… ; ) #lrnchat
9:12:56 pm nancyrubin: Arrived late…ready to tweet though #lrnchat
9:13:01 pm urbie: #lrnchat the problem with relying on VW for learning is fidelity. how do you integrate look and feel with performance?
9:13:08 pm KoreenOlbrish: @urbie I actually use it in most of my presentations and as the basis for my design #lrnchat
9:13:13 pm hybridkris: Q2B – We have a program now that is a good candidate. It requires an airframe that there are very few of. VW’s would be great. #lrnchat
9:13:18 pm kanor74: @jaycross not same since SL adds the f2f dimension #lrnchat
9:13:20 pm odguru: For introduction of both VM & SoMe generational differences are a wild factor, ie. 4 a diverse sales force or engineering co. #lrnchat
9:13:22 pm sahana2802: RT @gwoodill @MikeAbrams Where is the #lrnchat group gathering in SL? #lrnchat
9:13:24 pm Ginaschreck: @marciamarcia mention virtual worlds & we come out of the woodwork! #lrnchat
9:13:28 pm JoelFoner: VW also encourages new design approaches. Can design in more interactivity such as 3D active displays, connect to web db’s for data #lrnchat
9:13:30 pm jkunrein: @hybridkris i should say WoW is not a VW in the same sense as SL… it’s a game in which you have 0 ability to affect environment. #lrnchat
9:13:58 pm john_larkin: RT @gminks: RT @jkmind: #lrnchat i stl thnk use the right tool for the right content. dont just do it for the coolness #lrnchat
9:14:02 pm MitchSquires: Love it! RT @teachernz: dancing to thriller in SL #lrnchat
9:14:03 pm nancyrubin: This was a good post about the use of avatars – http://archiespeaksout.blogspot.com/2009/09/characters-in-elearning.html #lrnchat
9:14:11 pm Quinnovator: real unique ‘affordance’ (*drink*) of VWs: collaborative model building, but don’t see a lot of it yet #lrnchat
9:14:12 pm ThomasStone: RT @dwilkinsnh:I can’t see the majority of learners in a virt world; most still don’t know basic soc media like Wikis & tags #lrnchat
9:14:16 pm dwilkinsnh: @reward75 I think that’s legit, but investment to create a presence and learn to navigate a VW is way higher than a wiki #lrnchat
9:14:17 pm bschlenker: @hybridkris got any links for the WoW stuff? Need a good reason to keep my subscription #lrnchat
9:14:19 pm jaycross: RT @kanor74: @jaycross not same since SL adds the f2f dimension ||| Like a Skype video call? #lrnchat
9:14:20 pm kasey428: RT @dwilkinsnh: I wonder though too if maybe Im not a good exemplar. …I dont even like to take time to create a Mii on my Wii) #lrnchat
9:14:31 pm MikeAbrams: http://slurl.com/secondlife/MSIT/220/147/34 @sahana2802 @gwoodill #lrnchat group gathering in SL #lrnchat
9:14:36 pm gwoodill: @joshcav @Alex_Heiphetz does scripted rollouts. He’s lurking here because posting is not working for him. #lrnchat
9:14:42 pm nancyrubin: Personally, I have found scenarios developed in SL and VLs easier to use with audiences than actually taking them into environment #lrnchat
9:14:51 pm chambo_online: @dwilkinsnh Wii is good to bring up, no real learning curve to “play” most games there. Intuitive “play” breeds success of VW #lrnchat
9:14:56 pm jaycross: RT @Quinnovator: real unique affordance (*drink*) of VWs: collaborative model building, but dont see a lot of it yet #lrnchat
9:15:06 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q2b) What parts of workplace training are ripe for augmented reality, virtual environments? Why? #lrnchat
9:15:10 pm JoelFoner: @ThomasStone Have you tried a vw before for this sort of use? Different sorts of uses.. Have seen new users adapt easily. #lrnchat
9:15:22 pm marciamarcia: @dwilkinsnh I’m with you about the mii wii thing. #lrnchat
9:15:23 pm jkmind: #lrnchat I’m dsng trning for navy. seems good way to trn so new sailors are more ready the moment they board ship
9:15:34 pm KoreenOlbrish: when designing for virtual worlds, i like to think “how could you best teach ppl if money/resources/geography was not an issue?” #lrnchat
9:15:37 pm shantarohse: @JoelFoner The idea of co-constructing 3D objects struck me as a unique learning design #lrnchat
9:15:41 pm kanor74: @jaycross Skype only offers video 1 to 1. SL groups! #lrnchat
9:15:46 pm kkapp: @jkunrein #lrnchat, I view WoW as game/VW & SL & others as metaverse-a platform where learning can be built, like LMS is empty til added to
9:15:46 pm Mary_a_Myers: @nancyrubin so you develop and then share the experience? #lrnchat
9:15:53 pm reward75: @dwilkinsnh I’m also not a good example, I learned how to play chess b4 I learned to play checkers #lrnchat
9:15:55 pm nancyrubin: Q2 – Any real world situation that can be modeled with characters in situations #lrnchat
9:16:16 pm nancyrubin: @Mary_a_Myers exactly #lrnchat
9:16:21 pm odguru: @chambo_online True – Wii has conquered all generations. My husband is a gerontoloigist & there are Wiis o’plenty in long term care #lrnchat
9:16:22 pm jkmind: #lrnchat would be interested if we could interact in vw with wii. Now that I would check out. Should be getting wii sometime this year
9:16:23 pm chambo_online: Q2b – any kind of customer simulation #lrnchat
9:16:23 pm Quinnovator: Q2b) collaborative model building, 3D social learning (and scale is fascinating opportunity not available in real life) #lrnchat
9:16:27 pm ThomasStone: @urbie But that’s b/c most formal training doesn’t require a VW env. to deliver it — overkill. Inappropriate use of latest tech. #lrnchat
9:16:41 pm JaneBozarth: Q2b) What parts of workplace training are ripe for augmented reality, virtual environments? Why? #lrnchat
9:16:46 pm jkunrein: @kkapp good distinction, agreed. #lrnchat
9:16:49 pm bschlenker: @KoreenOlbrish When can I get into 2L from my iPhone? #lrnchat
9:16:59 pm Quinnovator: Q2b) contextualized performance: mapping model to real world, detecting contextual clues/problems, #lrnchat
9:16:59 pm JoelFoner: Medical training simulations have been amazing – one taught emergency room process. AI chars critique process mistakes and grade. #lrnchat
9:17:04 pm Mary_a_Myers: @Quinnovator q2B anytime you require a safe practice environment…or another party to interact with (sales, patients, etc.) #lrnchat
9:17:09 pm nancyrubin: I hope my friend Chris (who has all the experience) is here and that he chimes in tonight #lrnchat
9:17:12 pm MariaOD: RT @bschlenker: @KoreenOlbrish When can I get into 2L from my iPhone? #lrnchat
9:17:13 pm jaycross: RT @kanor74: @jaycross Skype only offers video 1 to 1. SL groups! || True, true. Unless you run it in an Adobe Connect session. (6) #lrnchat
9:17:17 pm sahana2802: RT @KoreenOlbrish when designing for VWs, i like to think “how cld u best teach ppl if money/resources/geography was not an issue?” #lrnchat
9:17:17 pm urbie: @bschlenker #lrnchat there’s an app for that
9:17:30 pm ThomasStone: exactly! VW often overkill RT @odguru: RT @jkmind: #lrnchat i stl thnk use the rt tool for the rt content. dont just do it for the coolness
9:17:37 pm JaneBozarth: @bschlenker Wait till ATT finds out you want SL on your iPhone. They don’t like runnin’ Shazam… #lrnchat
9:17:44 pm JoelFoner: @schlenker @koreenolbrish – I have heard that there is an iPhone app, but haven’t tried it. #lrnchat
9:17:48 pm SueSchnorr: just getting back/so may be out of context but oovoo.com offers more than video 1-1 kanor74 @jaycross. SL groups! #lrnchat -
9:17:55 pm KoreenOlbrish: @bschlenker actually you already can #lrnchat
9:17:56 pm espnguyen: I’ve been wanting to use something like Roller Coaster Tycoon as a VW where we can teach basic finance skills among other things #lrnchat
9:17:59 pm nancyrubin: Scenario based learning is great for VW simulations and virtual characters #lrnchat
9:18:05 pm shantarohse: My SL login from 2005 still works! But I can’t remember if I am dressed for the occasion #lrnchat
9:18:06 pm hybridkris: @bschlenker That’s on the way…Just not exactly how you picture it. #lrnchat
9:18:08 pm Mary_a_Myers: @nancyrubin that’s interesting b/c i’ve taken way more out of observing then taking part up to this point anyway (so far ) #lrnchat
9:18:10 pm urbie: @bschlenker #lrnchat look for Touch Life app in the app store
9:18:17 pm Quinnovator: @KoreenOlbrish exactly: what if you had ‘magic’! (Old design trick) #lrnchat
9:18:18 pm allisunelearns: Q2b) Training to work with things, such as parts of computer as you are taking it apart #lrnchat
9:18:32 pm nancyrubin: Good intro to scenario based learning http://www.slideshare.net/kernlearningsolutions/scenario-based-learning-2103566 #lrnchat
9:18:34 pm MariaOD: RT @bschlenker: @KoreenOlbrish When can I get into 2L from my iPhone?<<Open Sim? #lrnchat
9:18:36 pm JoelFoner: RT @nancyrubin Scenario based learning is great for VW simulations and virtual characters #lrnchat
9:18:43 pm reward75: Q2b While I was on SL, I kept trying to get my org to use it for onboarding #lrnchat
9:18:53 pm kkapp: #lrnchat short video showing difference between 2D and 3D learning for same topic
9:19:09 pm Ginaschreck: @jaycross I recently did a meeting with OOVOO which is like Brady Bunch – 6 people lined up – cool #lrnchat
9:19:16 pm gwoodill: WoW book MIT: Digital Culture, Play, & Identity http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Culture-Play-Identity-Warcraft/dp/0262033704 #lrnchat
9:19:26 pm RobRobertson: @shantarohse 2005! impressive! #lrnchat
9:19:41 pm ThomasStone: @KoreenOlbrish fair enough, but I think dave’s pt was that ‘getting’ wikis / tags is usually easier, and yet most in corp. struggle #lrnchat
9:19:52 pm SueSchnorr: Cool! Good 4 u! @urbie #lrnchat tried it at a certain bank a couple of years ago. didn’t go over. that’s why i decided strike out on my own
9:20:09 pm nancyrubin: students love to use avatar software, too. give them a chance to play with oddcast or xtranormal and they will love it! #lrnchat
9:20:13 pm hybridkris: RT @gwoodill: WoW book MIT: Digital Culture, Play, & Identity http://tinyurl.com/ycfxetb #lrnchat <—-THAT’S IT!
9:20:16 pm kanor74: Web conf. has its place; SL offers so many things to see and do! #lrnchat
9:20:17 pm jkunrein: links or it didn’t happen RT @kkapp: #lrnchat short video showing difference between 2D and 3D learning for same topic #lrnchat
9:20:24 pm jaycross: RT @Ginaschreck: @jaycross I did a meeting with OOVOO which is like Brady Bunch 6 people lined up ||| I’ll try ooVoo again. Thx #lrnchat
9:20:38 pm urbie: @SueSchnorr #lrnchat – it’s the phd pursuit that makes me ask so many questions and for the evidence..
9:20:52 pm JoelFoner: This is a hard one to explain, but once used to it, a distributed team meeting in SL “feels like being there” pretty strongly. #lrnchat
9:21:02 pm MariaOD: How’s the Sparkle app for SL? #lrnchat
9:21:11 pm minutebio: RT @reward75: While I was on SL, I kept trying to gt org 2 use for onbrding –gr8t idea & chance to intro new emps to staff & mgt #lrnchat
9:21:13 pm Quinnovator: @Mary_a_Myers yes, but not necessarily cost-effective, unless distributed team, no? (set up costs vs VW develop) #lrnchat
9:21:18 pm marciamarcia: @Ginaschreck Did someone say Brady Bunch? Funny how we go there instead of Rubix cube or even tic tac toe. #lrnchat
9:21:23 pm chambo_online: Difficult to backchannel on SL and stay up with #lrnchat
9:21:28 pm nancyrubin: have students create a virtual field trip in a virtual environment – VFTs are a great tool for engaging students #lrnchat
9:21:34 pm JoelFoner: @jaycross did you find oovoo to be stable? i tried it a few weeks ago and had repeated buggy behavior. maybe fixed now. #lrnchat
9:21:40 pm KoreenOlbrish: i like virtual worlds for “practice,” especially of anything that requires more than one person #lrnchat
9:21:45 pm dwilkinsnh: @chambo_online Yeah, been thinking a lot about casual experiences like Flip, Wii, casual gaming, wonder if its a trend on its own #lrnchat
9:21:45 pm ChristyATucker: Research in Second Life presentation http://bit.ly/7aUJUe by @lyrlobo #lrnchat
9:21:51 pm gwoodill: @JaneBozarth I think augmented reality (AR) is a different experience from virtual worlds. AR is taking off with mobile. #lrnchat
9:22:11 pm kanor74: Cultural, historical, artistic, business, educational sims — something for every1 #lrnchat
9:22:21 pm marciamarcia: RT @KoreenOlbrish I like virtual worlds for “practice,” especially of anything that requires more than one person #lrnchat
9:22:40 pm nancyrubin: Virtual Worlds are great as long as the technology does not DETRACT from the experience – need one or more people just to guide #lrnchat
9:22:43 pm ThomasStone: me three! RT @marciamarcia: @dwilkinsnh I’m with you about the mii wii thing. #lrnchat
9:22:45 pm dwilkinsnh: @ThomasStone You said it better than me… ; ) #lrnchat
9:22:45 pm jaycross: RT @JoelFoner: @jaycross did you find oovoo to be stable? i tried it a few weeks ago and had repeated buggy ||| same here, Joel #lrnchat
9:22:55 pm hybridkris: @KoreenOlbrish I have a great example of that for C-130 cargo drops in a VW. A bit cheaper than doing the real thing. #lrnchat
9:22:58 pm JaneBozarth: @gwoodill Sorry did you mean that for me? #lrnchat
9:23:01 pm Ginaschreck: explainng value of learng in virtual envirnmnts is like trying to explain how great chocolate is to someone who has never had it #lrnchat
9:23:02 pm hjarche: RT @gwoodill: @JaneBozarth I think augmented reality (AR) is a different experience from virtual worlds. AR is taking off w/ mobile #lrnchat
9:23:03 pm JoelFoner: @gwoodill agreed – seems that AR fills a different need – projecting computer and web resources into the real world. #lrnchat
9:23:05 pm reward75: @minutebio It wld have been perfect since my org is national, onboard everyone at once and deliver a consistent message #lrnchat
9:23:07 pm Quinnovator: keep hearing this RT @JoelFoner: hard to explain, but once used to it, distributed team meeting in SL “feels like being there” #lrnchat
9:23:18 pm chambo_online: @dwilkinsnh Been trying to design a course with this in mind – intuitive course progression rather than written directions in LMS #lrnchat
9:23:29 pm urbie: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat i like it better than Skype for conference calls – that’s way underutilized Cybergrrl Oh [SL avie] has a cool show
9:23:31 pm nancyrubin: What about geocaching (or is that another discussion)? Being used for entertainment and for teaching geography, etc. #lrnchat
9:23:54 pm Quinnovator: @kkapp and others, any more science to the ephemeral ‘presence’ difference people feel? #lrnchat
9:24:04 pm tonnet: #lrnchat
9:24:20 pm chambo_online: Difference between AR and VW for the novices plz.?? #lrnchat
9:24:26 pm KoreenOlbrish: Ok, I’m gonna admit it…I don’t “get” Augmented Reality for learning. Yet. Might have to immerse myself in it… #lrnchat
9:24:28 pm Mary_a_Myers: @Quinnovator i say that in the context of dreaming. I have no idea what costs are for VWs. #lrnchat
9:24:48 pm gminks: @jaycross what is oovoo?? by that I mean – it looks like skype? #lrnchat
9:24:48 pm Ginaschreck: @marciamarcia I have always wanted to find “an ALICE” and so I hoped using oovoo would bring her into my life #lrnchat
9:25:07 pm reward75: @Quinnovator It’s the immersion that makes it feel like ur there, like a really good book or movie can do #lrnchat
9:25:08 pm hybridkris: @KoreenOlbrish Look for the BMW concept design on AR for training/support. #lrnchat
9:25:09 pm nancyrubin: I worked at university that had island in SL. Lots of issues getting students to the island, dressed properly, in time for events #lrnchat
9:25:21 pm SueSchnorr: I use oovoo often; have gd exp. sometime iffy if 5-6 people, usually fine. RT @JoelFoner @jaycross did u find oovoo to be stable? #lrnchat
9:25:01 pm kasey428: RT @KoreenOlbrish: Ok, Im gonna admit it…I dont “get” Augmented Reality for learning. Yet. Might have to immerse myself in it… #lrnchat
9:25:23 pm urbie: @teachernz #lrnchat – true; ease of use a serious barrier to entry; where’s roi in people skinning their knees trying to get it to work?
9:25:25 pm kanor74: I did an adventure race in SL w/VA educators. Had to find ans. to ?’s over 3 sims. #lrnchat
9:25:26 pm Quinnovator: @gwoodill yes AR is mobile, but is augmenting a world, just like VWs, so can be some conceptual similarity #lrnchat
9:25:30 pm Ginaschreck: @nancyrubin I love the ideas of mixing in different technologies and tools – make ANY learning event more fun #lrnchat
9:25:30 pm JoelFoner: @Quinnovator – just talked to someone in the field yesterday about that. Suspect it would be proven in MRI studies – similar to #lrnchat
9:25:46 pm marciamarcia: @KoreenOlbrish So is it that Augmented Reality isn’t social or that it’s not IYHO helping people learn? #lrnchat
9:25:51 pm jkmind: #lrnchat geocaching could be a good tool for certain content out of the classroom. Team building exercise?
9:25:53 pm allisunelearns: I’m excited abt the instant, on-the-spot recall of augmented reality. Play a video clip demoing what you need to do as doing it. #lrnchat
9:25:53 pm JoelFoner: @quinnovator suspension of disbelief in movies, or empathy in f2f settings. Visual cues that brain interprets either way. #lrnchat
9:26:04 pm MikeAbrams: recently we ran a teambuilding event in SL. very simply re-creation of a physical ropes course activity I did with @possibiliteams #lrnchat
9:26:09 pm Mary_a_Myers: VWs you are immersed but with Aug Rea your field of vision (mainly) is enhanced, or augmented. #lrnchat
9:26:12 pm joshcav: How do you evaluate a SL learning expereince? #lrnchat
9:26:17 pm Ginaschreck: Hide clues in virt world- on blogs in wikis – let them go and FIND in real event thru geolocat etc. MIX IT UP! #lrnchat
9:26:19 pm MikeAbrams: the results turned out very well. view online here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kM6WEh5iQk #lrnchat
9:26:27 pm gwoodill: @nancyrubin Geocaching is like Augmented Reality – extra info is added to a real environment. Isn’t everything virtual in the end? #lrnchat
9:26:33 pm kanor74: Over 600 univ./colleges have a presence in SL. #lrnchat
9:26:36 pm Quinnovator: @chambo_online AR=Augmented Reality: mobile devices adds to contextualized real world VW is augmented non-reality #lrnchat
9:26:41 pm JoelFoner: Thanks @SueSchnorr, had similar experience (Oovoo) stable with 2-3, bit shaky as add more. Assumedly that will improve. #lrnchat
9:26:50 pm nancyrubin: Virtual situations being used A LOT in military training and medical fields #lrnchat
9:27:03 pm KoreenOlbrish: @chambo_online AR: augmented overlay on real objects. VW: immersive “world,” where you are represented by an avatar #lrnchat
9:27:06 pm allisunelearns: With AR, can have the recipe steps in front of me as I’m doing the cooking. No more paper. #lrnchat
9:27:18 pm gwoodill: @JaneBozarth response to your question re AR and Virtual worlds. #lrnchat
9:27:24 pm JoelFoner: Eval SL learning exp should be same as eval other – learning objectives… achieved? @joshcav #lrnchat
9:27:24 pm kkapp: #lrnchat VW research resources http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGtzYiEOwEw&feature=player_embedded
9:27:25 pm JaneBozarth: Q3) how do u think learning design needs 2 adapt/change to utilize capabilities of virtual environments? Where 2 start? #lrnchat
9:27:29 pm dwilkinsnh: @chambo_online Yeah I think sometimes perfect & professional = inaccessible; whereas casual = human = accessible #lrnchat
9:27:30 pm Quinnovator: @reward75 I hear that, but I’d love a more psychological explanation (I can live with, but harder to ’sell’) #lrnchat
9:27:38 pm kanor74: US Military has a presence in SL, too #lrnchat
9:27:39 pm J_Schulz: @KoreenOlbrish Based on what I’ve seen, I would think AR would make for good performance support. #lrnchat
9:27:42 pm nancyrubin: @gwoodill Seems to be picking up interest. I read an article in the newspaper just this week. Easy to do now with GPS in phones. #lrnchat
9:27:59 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Darn. Looks like I missed a ton of good stuff
9:28:02 pm allisunelearns: Oh, and when I think of AR, I start thinking really futuristic ala MIT http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/02/ted-digital-six/ #lrnchat
9:28:28 pm JoelFoner: @quinnovator, researching the immersion piece as part of a white paper / set of posts, hope to have more soon. #lrnchat
9:28:37 pm odguru: odguru RT@nancyrubin … issues getting students to the island, dressed properly, in time for events #lrnchat < Very life like. #lrnchat
9:28:41 pm shantarohse: Something to chew on… RT @gwoodill …. Isnt everything virtual in the end? #lrnchat
9:28:46 pm gwoodill: @chambo_online AR adds a layer to the real world, VWs are all unreal. #lrnchat
9:28:48 pm Quinnovator: Q3) how do u think learning design needs to adapt/change to utilize the capabilities of virtual environments? Where to start? #lrnchat
9:29:06 pm MariaOD: Been messing around installing SL!!! Missed #lrnchat! Next time I’ll be ready!!!
9:29:31 pm urbie: #lrnchat the thing about species switching is so right-on; talk about immersive and fun. i am researching avie customization n efficacy
9:29:41 pm jkmind: Q3 #lrnchat like all design, capabilities should be driven by the content. Not content being driven by technology. Tht’s why Im leary of sl
9:29:41 pm odguru: @jkmind In a manner of speaking. It can be practiced when the awareness of absence and understanding of principle is there. #lrnchat
9:29:46 pm kkapp: #lrnchat some advantages of 3D for learning http://karlkapp.blogspot.com/2009/02/advantages-of-3d-for-learning.html
9:29:55 pm kanor74: For me, SL is an extension of 1st Life. I work in SL everyday. #lrnchat
9:29:57 pm nancyrubin: Q3) Don’t forget basic ID principles when dealing with media – value-add is my litmus test – does media add value to learning #lrnchat
9:30:10 pm Quinnovator: Q3) needs to think more spatial and social, more engagement (but principles same as I always argue for) #lrnchat
9:30:12 pm JaneBozarth: Great now I’m being inundated w SL spammers #lrnchat
9:30:16 pm ChristyATucker: Q3) We have give up the idea of classrooms for learning in VW. Why sit in rows when you can fly? #lrnchat
9:30:18 pm JoelFoner: @quinnovator – do not start by assuming creation of a “classroom” in vw… “live there” for a bit, then think about how to leverage #lrnchat
9:30:23 pm Quinnovator: @JoelFoner keep me ‘post’ed #lrnchat
9:30:39 pm minutebio: RT @odguru: RT@nancyrubin .. issues getting studtns to island, dressed proper, in time for event –Sorry, stuck in low bandwidth #lrnchat
9:30:48 pm JaneBozarth: @jkmind Yep. It’s a potential variation on the “Let’s start a blog!!” syndrome #lrnchat
9:30:49 pm hybridkris: @KoreenOlbrish Here is the BMW AR concept video. http://tinyurl.com/c6c97u #lrnchat
9:30:50 pm KoreenOlbrish: ok, loving reading the transcript in tweetchat but listening to the discussion in SL. Wish I could get voice working! #lrnchat
9:30:52 pm gwoodill: Q3 – definitely virtual worlds should be experiential learning. Not fact, texts or lectures. #lrnchat
9:30:53 pm Ginaschreck: @Quinnovator I think that is greater challenge- students are ready – it is the teachers/trainers/ etc who have some work to do #lrnchat
9:31:08 pm Ginaschreck: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat some advantages of 3D for learning http://karlkapp.blogspot.com/2009/02/advantages-of-3d-for-learning.html
9:31:10 pm everyselearning: Has anyone got any examples of how this might be used in software training? #lrnchat
9:31:12 pm JoelFoner: Most edu builds start off with “build a lecture hall” – but – for instance can have students build their own env and tools #lrnchat
9:31:21 pm kkapp: #lrnchat teaching higher order learning in VWs http://karlkapp.blogspot.com/2008/10/teaching-higher-order-skills-in-virtual.html
9:31:21 pm kasey428: RT @kanor74: US Military has a presence in SL, too||I have seen some military demos. Interesting. #lrnchat
9:31:29 pm dennisschleiche: Imagine AR to see in a classroom the “by student” information, like timecode of their last handraise #lrnchat
9:31:31 pm MikeAbrams: also classroom can be a journey through SL, not just a place. many places many themes @JoelFoner @quinnovator #lrnchat
9:31:33 pm marciamarcia: We have give up the idea of classrooms for learning in vws. Why sit in rows when you can fly? -@ChristyATucker #lrnchat
9:31:34 pm JoelFoner: Assignments can include students building 3D scripted “answers” to problem set questions. #lrnchat
9:31:42 pm MariaOD: RT @kasey428: RT @kanor74: US Military has a presence in SL, too||I have seen some military demos. Interesting. #lrnchat
9:31:44 pm KoreenOlbrish: @hybridkris gracias #lrnchat
9:31:44 pm chambo_online: RT @GinaschreckI think that is greater challenge- students are ready – it is the teachers/trainers/ etc who have some work to do #lrnchat
9:31:49 pm minutebio: RT @Quinnovator: Q3 how do u think learning design needs 3 adapt/change 2 utilize capabilities of virtual environs? #lrnchat
9:31:54 pm Quinnovator: tho’ you can make close to real world RT @gwoodill: @chambo_online AR adds a layer to the real world, VWs are all unreal. #lrnchat
9:32:09 pm JaneBozarth: RT @ginaschreck I think that is greater challenge- students are ready – it is the teachers/trainers/ etc who have some work to do #lrnchat
9:32:18 pm joshcav: Q3: It’s any reality you want to create… I guess scenario based training would be better than a stand-up presentation. #lrnchat
9:32:29 pm Quinnovator: @JoelFoner well, yeah, I come from a ‘game’ design approach: make a meaningful experience, don’t replicate classroom #lrnchat
9:32:58 pm JaneBozarth: @gwoodill There has never been a technology invented that someone hasn’t figured out how to turn into a lecture podium #lrnchat
9:33:00 pm gwoodill: @everyselearning Yes, Microsoft uses SL for support for developers. #lrnchat
9:33:04 pm dwilkinsnh: Wonder if casual-ness should be a principle of VW learning? Not sure how you maintain formality; seems counter to the point. #lrnchat
9:33:06 pm RobRobertson: I think there is value in “standard” classrooms in SL for noobs. Let them have an environ they know while they adjust to VW #lrnchat
9:33:32 pm sahana2802: HATE IT when laptop crashes in the middle of #lrnchat.
9:33:32 pm jmarrapodi: RT @marciamarcia: We have give up the idea of classrooms for learning in vws. Why sit in rows when you can fly? -@ChristyATucker #lrnchat
9:33:35 pm chambo_online: VW=simulated environment, AR=add on to the real environment – have I got it? #lrnchat
9:33:39 pm Quinnovator: RT @Ginaschreck @Quinnovator think that is greater challenge-students are ready- it is teachers/trainers/ etc who have work to do #lrnchat
9:33:54 pm everyselearning: @gwoodill I’d love to see an example #lrnchat
9:34:11 pm KoreenOlbrish: against all of my design experience…by all means, start w a classroom, if that’s what ppl are comfy with. Just don’t stop there. #lrnchat
9:34:13 pm Ginaschreck: Q3- YES take learners on “Field Trips!” Make each event a learning ADVENTURE! #lrnchat
9:34:16 pm minutebio: RT @joshcav: Q3: Its any reality you want to create… I guess scenario based training –role-play between students. #lrnchat
9:34:19 pm chambo_online: RT @JaneBozarth: There has never been a technology invented that someone hasnt figured out how to turn into a lecture podium–>true #lrnchat
9:34:22 pm allisunelearns: RT @JaneBozarth There has never been a technology invented that someone hasnt figured out how to turn into a lecture podium #lrnchat
9:34:28 pm reward75: I agree, right method for the right learning RT @gwoodill: Q3 – virtual worlds = experiential learning. Not texts or lectures. #lrnchat
9:34:32 pm everyselearning: For instance, could you do a quiz in SL? #lrnchat
9:34:32 pm ThomasStone: Prediction: Once cisco/other Telepresence video takes off, then SL will not be considered much for mtgs or most formal learning #lrnchat
9:34:38 pm JoelFoner: Absolutely @robrobertson, our team starts with a “very normal room” or platform environment first, few distractions, then other… #lrnchat
9:34:59 pm Quinnovator: @dwilkinsnh don’t agree: saw great ‘formal’ example of insurance damage eval (contextual/3d) by insurance company #lrnchat
9:35:14 pm shantarohse: Familiarity offers comfort? RT @RobRobertson: I think there is value in “standard” classrooms in SL for noobs. #lrnchat
9:35:15 pm gwoodill: @everyselearning In our book – one of the case studies. #lrnchat
9:35:23 pm marciamarcia: @chambo_online That’s how I understand it too. VW=sim env, AR=add to real world. #lrnchat
9:35:24 pm JoelFoner: @koreenolbrish agreed as a stepping stone and to provide psychological transition, but huge $$ only on classrooms misses point. #lrnchat
9:35:29 pm urbie: @Ginaschreck #lrnchat handing off the customization [as much as possible] to the learner is definitely a thing to look at
9:35:30 pm ThomasStone: At that pt., SL/VW will still have a place = where safety of training env. or 3D environment is truly necessity = niche areas #lrnchat
9:35:32 pm nancyrubin: SL allows educators to take students to places they could never have gone before – including back in time to see historical places #lrnchat
9:35:35 pm Ginaschreck: @marciamarcia AMEN- Why build buildings with doors and walls for people to bump into in VWrlds- create a COOL learning environmt #lrnchat
9:35:35 pm jkunrein: RT @JaneBozarth: There has never been a technology invented that someone hasnt figured out how to turn into a lecture podium #lrnchat
9:35:39 pm Mary_a_Myers: um…where are you all again in SL? finally got my avatar and have logged in. #lrnchat
9:35:43 pm chambo_online: @KoreenOlbrish standard scaffolding – start simple and familiar, move to the complex and unfamiliar. #lrnchat
9:36:00 pm kkapp: #lrnchat think of a VW maturity model. Start with Classrooms (low) and end with actual work being done in the VW space (highest)
9:36:04 pm jmarrapodi: RT @kanor74: For me, SL is an extension of 1st Life. I work in SL everyday. {How?} #lrnchat
9:36:12 pm kanor74: @everyselearning Yes, all kinds to tools for quiz,test, creation of product. #lrnchat
9:36:16 pm nancyrubin: Example of army using immersive tech – http://minutebio.com/blog/2009/05/15/us-army-using-interactive-videos/ #lrnchat
9:36:30 pm Mary_a_Myers: so what is the cost of using something like SL for corp? #lrnchat
9:36:39 pm gwoodill: @everyselearning Better than a quiz – you can do a treasure hunt. Make assessment active! #lrnchat
9:36:41 pm jmarrapodi: RT @Ginaschreck: Q3- YES take learners on “Field Trips!” Make each event a learning ADVENTURE! [Second Life- love this idea!!!] #lrnchat
9:36:55 pm allisunelearns: @everyselearning You can take a Moodle quiz in SL with this integration http://slisweb.sjsu.edu/sl/index.php/Sloodle_Quiz_Chair #lrnchat
9:36:55 pm ThomasStone: I say this b/c most people in biz contexts will much prefer for mtg and most learning to interact with the real people, not avatars #lrnchat
9:37:05 pm kanor74: @jmarrapodi I teach grad students; run office for RL company. Meet clients, etc. #lrnchat
9:37:07 pm marciamarcia: Standard scaffolding: start simple and familiar, move to the complex and unfamiliar. -@chambo_online #lrnchat
9:37:28 pm jmarrapodi: RT @JaneBozarth: There has never been a technology invented that someone hasnt figured out how to turn into a lecture podium [ouch] #lrnchat
9:37:30 pm urbie: @shantarohse #lrnchat what makes you think that? it’s hard enough to engage; if they’re home it gets harder still
9:37:32 pm joshcav: @ThomasStone You mean when Telepresence becomes affordable to everyone..? #lrnchat
9:37:32 pm ThomasStone: And Cisco Telepresence is really powerful, and will only get better. (No, I don’t work for cisco. LOL) #lrnchat
9:37:34 pm nancyrubin: Easy to use avatar site – http://oddcast.com/ #lrnchat
9:37:39 pm kasey428: I would like go to a VW and actually learn rather than be lost. I need a VW buddy to hold my virtual hand & guide. #lrnchat
9:37:41 pm Quinnovator: VWs provide seamless environ to embed formal but scaffold informal as well #lrnchat
9:37:47 pm dwilkinsnh: @Quinnovator Fair enough; that’s one of my favorite use cases as well. Still I wonder if it feels as formal as F2F? #lrnchat
9:37:53 pm gwoodill: @ThomasStone Agreed. I’d prefer HD setup like Halo any day. Still expensive. #lrnchat
9:37:59 pm JaneBozarth: @jmarrapodi I think we should have @gminks’s graduation party in SL #lrnchat
9:38:10 pm nancyrubin: Have teachers build there own classrooms in SL – have actually seen this done as a lesson for ed students #lrnchat
9:38:13 pm sahana2802: RT @Quinnovator VWs provide seamless environ to embed formal but scaffold informal as well #lrnchat
9:38:20 pm kanor74: @kasey428 Friend me and I’ll help you. #lrnchat
9:38:27 pm ThomasStone: a good use! RT @nancyrubin: SL allows educators to take students to places they could never have gone before – inc back in time #lrnchat
9:38:27 pm JaneBozarth: WHY do a quiz? Ever? #lrnchat
9:38:36 pm dennisschleiche: But isn’t the simple and familiar for today’s learners actual VW? #lrnchat
9:38:37 pm nancyrubin: RT @JaneBozarth: @jmarrapodi I think we should have @gminkss graduation party in SL #lrnchat
9:38:37 pm Quinnovator: @kkapp can’t we skip the $%^&* classroom? Get them there, lead on a journey (cf @Ginaschreck), *engage* them! #lrnchat
9:38:38 pm jkmind: #lrnchat I dont see military using sl for sensitive trning though but would some of that trning less $ to build
9:38:39 pm gminks: @kasey428 that is my prob w VWs – having to manage the tech side so it doesn’t turn into a learner obstacle #lrnchat
9:38:44 pm chambo_online: @kasey428 I think that is how most newbies feel. Frustration could inhibit learning #lrnchat
9:38:49 pm Ginaschreck: Q3- If students find regular classroom lecture blah blah blah boring -doing that in virtual envir is still BORING! #lrnchat
9:38:57 pm JoelFoner: Also architects use SL for prototyping, let clients adjust things, try ideas. #lrnchat
9:38:58 pm gminks: screw that! I want IRL drinks!! RT @JaneBozarth: @jmarrapodi I think we should have @gminkss graduation party in SL #lrnchat
9:39:23 pm dwilkinsnh: @ThomasStone Agree completely. That’s why Clark’s reference of insurance adjusting is key — that’s the use case, not meetings #lrnchat
9:39:23 pm urbie: #lrnchat the public universities in texas are quite far along in implementing SL in higher-ed
9:39:26 pm jkmind: #lrnchat @JaneBozarth don’t call it a quiz. but there should be somekind of asesmnt
9:39:30 pm allisunelearns: @JaneBozarth @gminks and I can walk together with our special summa cum laude robes! #lrnchat
9:39:40 pm gminks: @Mary_a_Myers we had issues w firewall last time I looked into SL #lrnchat
9:39:42 pm ThomasStone: yes, exactly. it will happen. RT @joshcav: @ThomasStone You mean when Telepresence becomes affordable to everyone..? #lrnchat
9:39:51 pm kasey428: @kanor74 I did. #lrnchat
9:39:53 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @ThomasStone: SL/VW will still have a place = where safety of training env. or 3D environment is truly necessity = niche areas #lrnchat
9:40:10 pm JaneBozarth: @Ginaschreck Srsly. “Let’s make them go into SL, then they won’t notice we’re reading bulleted PPT slides to them. ” ? #lrnchat
9:40:31 pm KoreenOlbrish: one thing that holds true against all social media, including virtual worlds…i’ve never understood virtual drinks #lrnchat
9:40:39 pm Ginaschreck: Q3- @chambo_online REemember that same feeling applies when we are new to school or job- it just takes a gentle guiding hand to hlp #lrnchat
9:40:43 pm J_Schulz: @gwoodill I never thought I would see Halo and lrnchat used in the same tweet. Awesome! #lrnchat
9:40:53 pm JoelFoner: Something @GinaSchreck just said here… many (most?) kids are fast adapters to SL, often it’s “us” who have the big challenge. #lrnchat
9:40:56 pm nancyrubin: To develop virtual environments (in house) is expensive – requires lots of expertise that is often expensive talent #lrnchat
9:41:10 pm urbie: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat virtual comfort zone?
9:41:13 pm kkapp: @Quinnovator #lrnchat links how behavior in SL like RL http://karlkapp.blogspot.com/2009/05/you-are-your-avatar-your-avatar-is-you.html
9:41:29 pm MikeAbrams: *slurps his cocoa at @KoreenOlbrish and sticks out his tongue #lrnchat
9:41:35 pm kanor74: @kasey428 Oh, who are you in SL? #lrnchat
9:41:40 pm Quinnovator: @dwilkinsnh ah, back to the ephemeral ‘feeling’. And agree, but continuum (can be very engaged ‘classroom, just infrequent ) #lrnchat
9:41:40 pm ThomasStone: @dwilkinsnh exactly. Ins. adjusting, hotel staff training, health topics where safety an issue, nuclear-related stuff. LOL #lrnchat
9:41:59 pm kasey428: @gminks Technology should nvr interfere w/learning. Always enable learning & create space where people want to learn. #lrnchat
9:42:01 pm kkapp: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat Drinks are universal anywhere:) in RL or VW
9:42:08 pm JoelFoner: Re “safety” issue in VW’s – gone to a mall lately? Checked out what kids can get to with clicks on the web? *ready for firestorm* #lrnchat
9:42:13 pm chambo_online: @JoelFoner “kids” only make up a portion of online trainees/students. Many are older – less WoW player-types #lrnchat
9:42:20 pm joshcav: How do office politics effect virtual exchanges in SecondLife??? Also, would legal need to document these sessions. #lrnchat
9:42:25 pm nancyrubin: Do I see a lrnchat in SL in the near future? #lrnchat
9:42:27 pm MikeAbrams: brb. xmas carolers at my door in RL #lrnchat
9:43:09 pm marciamarcia: @jkmind Have started offering alt to quiz/assmnt thinking, bowling ally gutter analogy. Sometimes there are bounds. #lrnchat
9:43:09 pm kasey428: @kanor74 Bebe Audion #lrnchat
9:43:18 pm Quinnovator: RT @kkapp: @Quinnovator #lrnchat behavior in SL like RL http://bit.ly/4JOZqb
9:43:23 pm JoelFoner: @chambo_online – agreed not all, but experience with the concept of characters and vw’s is moving up the age curve. #lrnchat
9:43:29 pm KoreenOlbrish: @joshcav yes, office politics affect. but does legal document the RL water cooler? #lrnchat
9:43:31 pm kanor74: @MikeAbrams #lrnchat
9:43:37 pm sahana2802: RT @kkapp @Quinnovator #lrnchat links how behavior in SL like RL: http://tiny.cc/a8QTZ
9:43:39 pm MariaOD: RT @nancyrubin: Do I see a lrnchat in SL in the near future? <vote! #lrnchat
9:43:42 pm ThomasStone: Longterm, for mtgs / most learning, SL fails my “Star Trek” test: Picard or Janeway wouldn’t use it over high-end video conf. #lrnchat
9:43:43 pm teachernz: @JoelFoner yeah, but virtual harm is so much more dangerouss #lrnchat
9:43:51 pm SueSchnorr: RT kasey428 @gminks Technology should nvr interfere w/learning. Always enable learning & create space where people want to learn. #lrnchat
9:44:02 pm urbie: @nancyrubin #lrnchat cool idea.. vw lrnchat
9:44:02 pm Ginaschreck: @nancyrubin I am rubbing the crystal ball right now and I see a SEcondLife #lrnchat in our future !
9:44:03 pm Quinnovator: @nancyrubin would rather see a #lrnchat SL tour than trying to run #lrnchat in SL (if you know what I mean)
9:44:15 pm jkunrein: how about a VW that’s easier to use? RT @nancyrubin: Do I see a lrnchat in SL in the near future? #lrnchat
9:44:24 pm chambo_online: @JoelFoner Agreed – I do have a mii #lrnchat
9:44:27 pm allisunelearns: @chambo_online That would depend on where you are…52% of Iranians under 20. #lrnchat
9:44:31 pm nancyrubin: @ThomasStone Beam me up! #lrnchat
9:44:48 pm sahana2802: RT @kkapp @Quinnovator #lrnchat links how behavior in SL like RL http://tiny.cc/amkWg
9:44:48 pm nancyrubin: @Quinnovator Actually I do, first hand. #lrnchat
9:45:14 pm Mary_a_Myers: if #lrnchat moves to SL i will need some help getting there. haven’t moved past getting avatar in the last half an hour. I blame IE #lrnchat
9:45:18 pm Quinnovator: also framework for engaged learning! RT @simbeckhampson: @Quinnovator Train trainer in SL, adoption, access and motivation are key #lrnchat
9:45:27 pm reward75: In SL now (Reine Aeon) #lrnchat
9:45:34 pm ThomasStone: Btw, has Gartner ever issued an amended prediction regarding uptake in VW? Their prediction a few years ago was *insane*. #lrnchat
9:45:39 pm kkapp: @jkunrein I;ll volunteer ProtoSphere demo space in near future as a location #lrnchat (then I’ll verify with Ron)
9:46:04 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @nancyrubin: SL allows educators to take students to places they could never have gone before – including back in time #lrnchat
9:46:04 pm chambo_online: @allisunelearns depends on industry and organization as well – fastest growing group on Fbook=Women 30-55 #lrnchat
9:46:12 pm ThomasStone: agreed! RT @Quinnovator: @nancyrubin would rather see a #lrnchat SL tour than trying to run #lrnchat in SL (if you know what I mean)
9:46:33 pm nancyrubin: Went to conference recently online – think some of you were there – it was a pseudo SL environment – anyone know what it was? #lrnchat
9:46:52 pm kkapp: @ThomasStone That’s how they get press. Google VW Hype cycle and see some interesting results #lrnchat
9:46:56 pm dwilkinsnh: @ThomasStone As much as I respect Gartner and others, they are often wrong — remember LCMS? Another swing and a miss…. #lrnchat
9:47:04 pm odguru: @ThomasStone But old Wil Riker spent plenty of time on holodeck 9!! #lrnchat
9:47:11 pm kasey428: tweet posts not showing up in Tweetchat…again #lrnchat
9:47:14 pm JoelFoner: If you’d like a chance to experience “for real”, I run a wkly inworld global disc group – http://joelfoner.com/we-are-the-network/ #lrnchat
9:47:16 pm Quinnovator: @Mary_a_Myers yes, we’ll want folks to get avatars beforehand, @Ginaschreck had a useful link I think #lrnchat
9:47:21 pm nancyrubin: @chambo_online My people #lrnchat
9:47:28 pm marciamarcia: @ThomasStone I’ve been seeking the analyst reports too. Welcome any you find. I’ll share what I find. #lrnchat
9:47:28 pm dennisschleiche: @ThomasStone Longterm, 4mtgs/most learning,SL fails my”Star Trek”test:Picard wouldn’t use it over high-end video conf. #lrnchat
9:47:34 pm shantarohse: @Mary_a_Myers I blame FF. I am getting an error message when I click teleport now. #lrnchat
9:47:43 pm jkmind: #lrnchat we should have demo sessions before we run lrnchat session in sl. I’d need help
9:48:13 pm kkapp: #lrnchat here is list of SL alternatives http://karlkapp.blogspot.com/2009/05/you-are-your-avatar-your-avatar-is-you.html
9:48:39 pm JaneBozarth: @Mary_a_Myers Remember that when you start thinking of using this w/ your workers. Need orientation/set up time + clear purpose #lrnchat
9:48:59 pm MikeAbrams: RT @kkapp: virtual world alternatives http://karlkapp.blogspot.com/2009/05/you-are-your-avatar-your-avatar-is-you.html #lrnchat
9:49:11 pm minutebio: RT @dwilkinsnh: RT @nancyrubin: SL allws eductrs 2 take students back in time /Gr8t way to lrn History. We could meet Julius Caesar #lrnchat
9:49:14 pm chambo_online: @dennisschleiche @ThomasStone Picard: “On screen!” #lrnchat
9:49:15 pm Mary_a_Myers: @shantarohse i had both browsers trying …had to reboot! #lrnchat
9:49:20 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @JaneBozarth Remember that when you start thinking of using this w/ your workers. Need orientation/set up time + clear purpose #lrnchat
9:49:25 pm kkapp: #lrnchat oops, no here is the link http://karlkapp.blogspot.com/2009/11/alternatives-to-second-life-continued.html
9:49:34 pm ThomasStone: @dwilkinsnh The thing is, many in L&D gobbled up the Gartner insanity, quoting in presos as if had a chance of becoming true. #lrnchat
9:49:54 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @kkapp: virtual world alternatives http://karlkapp.blogspot.com/2009/05/you-are-your-avatar-your-avatar-is-you.html #lrnchat
9:49:55 pm kkapp: @MikeAbrams #lrnchat, wrong lnk use this http://karlkapp.blogspot.com/2009/11/alternatives-to-second-life-continued.html
9:50:17 pm MikeAbrams: http://bit.ly/6QET7h RT @ErickTaft: @MikeAbrams How do I get to where you are at in SL ? #lrnchat
9:50:20 pm nancyrubin: First hand experience – not easy to develop – need to media department devoted to scenarios and VW development (and good writers!) #lrnchat
9:50:22 pm MariaOD: Cold must be coming down with something right in time for the weekend. Nite #lrnchat! #lrnchat
9:50:23 pm Mary_a_Myers: @JaneBozarth definitely #lrnchat
9:50:24 pm ThomasStone: @odguru yeah, but holodeck is *completely* different from SL. #lrnchat
9:50:36 pm urbie: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat and interactivity: the scripting and interpersonal kinds, too
9:50:51 pm gwoodill: What is a virtual world? A good book? See – Narrative as Virtual Reality – 2001 by M. Ryan. #lrnchat
9:50:52 pm kanor74: I visited 1870’s NM and AZ a few weeks ago! Also Sistine Chapel on Vassar Is. Renaissance period events. #lrnchat
9:51:03 pm lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What can we help you with? #lrnchat
9:51:08 pm chambo_online: What about a hybrid VW – simpler simulation/shorter learning curve – used for specific task, but not entire training? #lrnchat
9:51:19 pm Ginaschreck: If you want to setup avatar & prep B4 hand heres starting point It should drop you into my safe campus #lrnchat http://bit.ly/6aINpd
9:51:48 pm jkunrein: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat virtual worlds other than sl: http://karlkapp.blogspot.com/2009/11/alternatives-to-second-life-continued.html #lrnchat
9:51:54 pm kasey428: @kanor74 friend me #lrnchat
9:52:02 pm JoelFoner: @nancyrubin agreed big build can be complex. Funny though how much value ppl can get from simple environment. Bld over time. #lrnchat
9:52:10 pm Mary_a_Myers: @ThomasStone i place the holodeck onside with AR. but your entire world is augmented…and you are completely immersed. can’t wait! #lrnchat
9:52:16 pm nancyrubin: @chambo_online Very effective. You can film short scenarios with mult chars in SL and show to learners – then they interact with it #lrnchat
9:52:29 pm lrnchat: If you’re on #lrnchat tonight & your co. does something in VW space or related, prod to sell, serv to offer, would you mention in close? Thx
9:52:29 pm taterunino: RT: @JoelFoner: Re “safety” issue in VW’s – gone to a mall lately? Checked out what kids can get to with clicks on the web? #lrnchat
9:52:33 pm ThomasStone: Like Clark suggested, I predict that we’ll get less of the regular value from #lrnchat from holding it in SL rather than Twitter.
9:52:38 pm Quinnovator: @ThomasStone reckon there is a real value proposition in VWs, however: http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1379 #lrnchat
9:52:44 pm kkapp: #lrnchat 3 Not so obvious things about virtual worlds http://karlkapp.blogspot.com/2009/12/three-not-so-obvious-obvious-things.html
9:52:45 pm Ginaschreck: @BeyondtheBrink Girlfriend- we are at my place! #lrnchat
9:52:59 pm KoreenOlbrish: Koreen Olbrish, Nina Sommerfleck, virtually multitasking and really pleased by the SL/lrnchat experiment today #lrnchat
9:53:02 pm kanor74: @kasey428 I sent you a friend offer in SL..you will need to accept. #lrnchat
9:53:03 pm jkmind: #lrnchat jesse in very cold central nj. I need concrete resources for designing simulations. Particularly for the us navy
9:53:06 pm JaneBozarth: RDU, augmented bureaucrat, author, trainer, Dr. of Learnin’ Stuff (I GOT a robe, @gminks!) http://bozarthzone.blogspot.com #lrnchat
9:53:07 pm Quinnovator: already?!? RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What can we help you with? #lrnchat
9:53:07 pm kasey428: Outta here. Much to do. Taking next 2 weeks off! Happy Holidays to all. #lrnchat
9:53:13 pm ThomasStone: There could be *other values* obtained — inc. introducing more of us to SL/VW — but core #lrnchat values would be diminished I suspect.
9:53:28 pm odguru: Christy- Guelph Canada. Got to the SL site but have too much media running. Heard something about sending Shamwows.#lrnchat. Thanks all.
9:53:57 pm britz: RT @gwoodill: Q3 – definitely virtual worlds should be experiential learning. Not fact, texts or lectures. #lrnchat
9:54:17 pm nancyrubin: Greetings from South Florida. Thanks for the great conversation – as always – favorite nite of the week! #lrnchat
9:54:26 pm ThomasStone: @Mary_a_Myers Alas, as much of a Star Trek fan as I am, I think the laws of physics make a real “holodeck” highly unlikely. #lrnchat
9:54:26 pm media1der: made it just in time to wish y’all happiest holidays! Sorry I missed the good stuff. #lrnchat
9:54:29 pm RobRobertson: Night all and robrob McCoy enjoyed hanging out in SL #lrnchat
9:54:36 pm JaneBozarth: @kasey428 Enjoy the time off! #lrnchat
9:54:36 pm jkunrein: qwrap – judy unrein, elearning instructional designer and off-the-wagon blogger in kansas city http://www.onehundredfortywords.com #lrnchat
9:54:46 pm gwoodill: Gary Woodill, Brandon Hall analyst, – new book on VWs with @Alex_Heiphetz. http://tinyurl.com/yzczpua #lrnchat
9:54:49 pm hybridkris: Qwrap Kris Rockwell, Hybrid Learning Systems. ARGs and Mobile Learning. #lrnchat
9:54:54 pm lrnchat: We are off for the next TWO weeks. If you want to drop in and tag with #lrnchat, pls do. Next year in learning!
9:54:57 pm dennisschleiche: Dennis Schleicher, business & industrial anthropologist http://tibetantailor.com/ #lrnchat
9:54:58 pm chambo_online: Lisa Chamberlin – looking for simple game theory to help design comm college composition course #lrnchat
9:55:13 pm ThomasStone: part of my point/warning here! RT @reward75: Wow, I thought keeping up with lrnchat was tough enough, try lrnchat and SL, sheesh #lrnchat
9:55:18 pm everyselearning: Gotta go eat supper. Night all! #lrnchat
9:55:20 pm kasey428: @kanor74 OK I logged in #lrnchat
9:55:22 pm britz: RT @moehlert: #lrnchat Darn. Looks like I missed a ton of good stuff. Me too – Xmas present wrapping night. Duty called.
9:55:27 pm minutebio: Jeff Goldman, e-Learning Designer, creator of very silly, but memorable, courses. Oh, I’m in Baltimore, Hon. #lrnchat
9:55:30 pm jkmind: RT @britz: RT @gwoodill: Q3 – definitely virtual worlds should be experiential learning. Not fact, texts or lectures. #lrnchat
9:55:31 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Wow. Sorry to have missed it all. I am ChuckNoris Mission in 2L. Mark Oehlert IRL – virtual worlds, Social Media for Learning
9:55:42 pm everyselearning: Yum Osso Bucco! #lrnchat
9:55:55 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learn tech design consultant; deeply into learning, fascinated with shiny toys; look to put together for real outcomes #lrnchat
9:55:57 pm Mary_a_Myers: Mary Myers, from Kingston, working and learning , learning and working. thanks for the #lrnchat
9:56:03 pm urbie: #lrnchat urbie delgado, isd n learner; urbie planer in SL
9:56:10 pm jmarrapodi: Jean Marrapodi, Providence, RI. Learning Architect working at the intersection of high tech and low literacy. #lrnchat
9:56:11 pm kkapp: #lrnchat Bye from cold PA, thxs for gr8 discussion, VWs are a great place to explore and like e-learning was 10 yrs ago, VW are there today
9:56:13 pm kanor74: Great chat…. hope you all give SL a try! Happy Holidays to everyone!! G’nite #lrnchat
9:56:19 pm Mary_a_Myers: @ThomasStone sigh, physics. #lrnchat
9:56:20 pm Ginaschreck: @JaneBozarth HA! in SL folks don’t know you are reading 7 pt font…as long as you don’t post them as slides in world! #lrnchat
9:56:26 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: We are off for the next TWO weeks. If you want to drop in and tag with #lrnchat, pls do. Next year in learning!
9:56:36 pm JaneBozarth: @chambo_online You came to the right place @quinnovator and @kkapp are all about games #lrnchat
9:56:43 pm lrnchat: Remember to pls contact @marciamarcia if you’re not already on the http://sn.im/lrnchat-list 127 already there. #lrnchat
9:56:43 pm reward75: @ThomasStone Actually, I meant at the same time, never been much of a multitasker #lrnchat
9:56:45 pm MikeAbrams: Goodnight all. signing out of the tweetchat now. #lrnchat
9:56:48 pm sahana2802: Sahana, Instructional Designer and learner, love #lrnchat, novice blogger but love that too, believer of collaborative lrng & meaning making
9:56:57 pm everyselearning: Thanks to all for the first look at SL #lrnchat
9:57:17 pm ThomasStone: @Quinnovator agreed, there are many niche uses that will win out for L&D in SL/VW. I’ve been giving many such tonight. #lrnchat
9:57:18 pm JoelFoner: Would you guys be interested in We Are The Network topic announces in the #lrnchat group? (don’t want to be spammy – asking) #lrnchat
9:57:20 pm kkapp: #lrnchat I learned Tweeting and being in a VW really difficult
9:57:35 pm JaneBozarth: Rumor of big snow here in NC tomorrow, first in years. And brother does not know I have his childhood sled… #lrnchat
9:57:42 pm reward75: Regina Ward, NYC, jack of all things elearning and learning more #lrnchat
9:57:44 pm KoreenOlbrish: happy holidays and best wishes for 2010! #lrnchat
9:57:50 pm Abhinava: Awww… this was the last #lrnchat for the year?!? next year then…! new year… new Ideas…
9:57:51 pm ChristyATucker: Christy Tucker, instructional designer near Raleigh, NC, just transitioned from higher ed to corp e-learning #lrnchat
9:57:56 pm shantarohse: Shanta Rohse aka India Vale, immersed in learning in Ottawa in RL #lrnchat
9:57:58 pm everyselearning: @allisunelearns thanks for that tip about moodle! #lrnchat
9:58:03 pm dwilkinsnh: David Wilkins, Exec Director of Product Marketing at Learn.com. Happy Holidays everyone! #lrnchat
9:58:12 pm allisunelearns: Allisun in Arcata, eLearning enthusiast, grad student & eLearning developer for Moodlerooms links on VW here http://bit.ly/6GQQH8 #lrnchat
9:58:18 pm kellygarber: Good night all, enjoy! And Cricket Crumb enjoyed the SL spot also. #lrnchat
9:58:19 pm joshcav: <—- Captivate expert. Lodestone offers classes on Adobe tools, Powerpoint, Camtasia, Moodle. Happy Holidays! http://bit.ly/6Pt9CH #lrnchat
9:58:34 pm everyselearning: @gwoodill OK give us the book name #lrnchat
9:58:58 pm JaneBozarth: @marciamarcia You guys are used to that. We are paralyzed when the first 6 flakes hit the ground. #lrnchat
9:59:02 pm allisunelearns: I have 15 Second Life in education related bookmarks here http://delicious.com/allisun/secondlife #lrnchat
9:59:07 pm planetrussell: I missed most of #lrnchat goodness this evening, too, @moehlert. But, ChuckNoris Mission in 2L = #awesomesauce (I’m Planeteer Steampunk.)
9:59:23 pm everyselearning: Nite all! #lrnchat
9:59:23 pm sahana2802: Playing for real in a virtual world: http://tiny.cc/zUD0e #lrnchat
9:59:39 pm ThomasStone: Thomas Stone, from Element K in Rochester, NY, signing off of #lrnchat this evening. Great conversation everyone!
9:59:44 pm JaneBozarth: Again: Both @gwoodill and @kkapp have new books out on related topics. Check them out! Buy extras as gifts! #lrnchat
9:59:55 pm marciamarcia: Marcia Conner, Sr Enterprise Strategist for Pistachio Consulting, writing book on SoMe for learning. Seeking lotso examples. @ me! #lrnchat
10:00:29 pm J_Schulz: Night all – this was an interesting experiment. #lrnchat
10:00:33 pm gwoodill: @everyselearning Training and Collaboration with Virtual Worlds. McGraw-Hill. Out in Jan. #lrnchat
10:00:47 pm Mary_a_Myers: @allisunelearns Thanks Allisun! #lrnchat
10:00:53 pm sahana2802: Happy holidays everyone. Have a wonderful time and a great 2010! #lrnchat
10:01:01 pm Abhinava: #lrnchat Abhinava from Bangalore, India – Problem Solver by being, ID by Profession and Norm Questioner by interest. Good Night/Day all
10:02:09 pm reward75: Happy Holidays to you all. “See” you next year!! #lrnchat
10:02:15 pm lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Pls remember to submit Qs & theme ideas for upcoming chats at http://sn.im/lrnchat

Will your grades land the job?

mikinzie — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:16:52 +0000

Many college students have just finished exam week: a time of year where sleepless nights and cramming become routine. For a lot of students, the pressure can be overwhelming. Some students even illegally use adderall for a study-aid, as a means to an end to getting the grade.

But are your grades really going to help you get the job you want?

This question first stemmed from a conversation with the VP of a Public Relations firm I visited this past semester. After reviewing my resume, she suggested I delete “Dean’s List” and other academic awards in order to free up more space for work experience. Needless to say, I was a bit taken aback.

On 11/17’s #PRStudChat, I asked the question,“Are grades important to employers?”

Valerie Simon, senior vice president at BurrellesLuce and co-host of #PRStudChat, gave some great insights on this topic:

@valeriesimon As you gain experience, grades become less important. But graduating with honors or distinctions is a great opportunity to distinguish yourself. And if you ever decide to go to grad school, grades definitely matter- if you can show that you are able to succeed academically while balancing an internship. Beyond grades and experience- work ethic, willingness to learn & personality play a tremendous role. And yes, the combination of experience (good recommendations), attitude and work ethic can help put you ahead of someone with good grades & nothing else.

And the statistics back up Valerie’s POV:

The 2007 Job Outlook Survey conducted by the National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE) ranked GPA as number 17 of the top 20 qualities employers find important in a candidate. And you know what quality was most important to employers? Communications skills.

Still not convincing enough for your A+ mind? Then ask a Public Relations firm, such as Lewis PR.

What matters to them more than a 4.0 GPA?

1. Demonstration of an in-depth knowledge of the company and client base

2. Mechanical perfection in the cover letter and resume presentation

3. Collegiate sports / campus organizations

Don’t get me wrong, this is not a call to slackerdom nor is it a reflection of my academic habits (see “Dean’s List” above). We learn at a young age that all A’s get the golden star; our start to learning goal-setting skills. Good grades also show responsibility, time management, work ethic, etc.

My point is this: straight A’s are not “the end all and the be all” (Thanks, Shakespeare!) I think standardized testing in no way shows anything but the ability to memorize and regurgitate text books — aka academic bulimia — let alone intelligence. Learning- both inside and outside the classroom- is more important than that golden star on your transcript.

So relax if you didn’t get all A’s this semester. The initiative you’re taking outside of the classroom will make up for it.

*Addendum* – When I first posted this topic, I made an assumption that ALL PR students were brilliant (and I think for the most part, I’m correct). But after reading comments and tweets about this post, I realize I left out one important aspect: BAD GRADES ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE. In my opinion, a student with under a 3.0 gpa in their major should highly consider switiching majors: they are either 1) not cut out for the academic requirements of the major or 2) not passionate enough about what they are studying. My bottom line of this post is that experience, skills and initiative will trump “okay” grades. You don’t need a perfect A-record or a 4.0 gpa in order to get the job you want. You need to want it bad enough to do the extra stuff OUTSIDE of the classroom.

In the Ranks of Poets

fraudiaz — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:31:50 +0000

Judge: And what is your profession, in general?
Brodsky: I am a poet and a literary translator.
Judge: Who recognizes you as a poet? Who enrolled you in the ranks of poets?
Brodsky: No one. Who enrolled me in the ranks of humankind?
Judge: Did you study this?
Brodsky: This?
Judge: How to become a poet. You did not even try to finish high school where they prepare, where they teach?
Brodsky: I didn’t think you could get this from school.
Judge: How then?
Brodsky: I think that it … comes from God

An exchange between a judge and Joseph Brodsky as recorded in a court transcript in 1964. Brodsky was on trial in the Soviet Union for writing what was considered apolitical poetry.

High Level Segment Rough Transcript

Admin — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:10:51 +0000

Abbreviations:

*CC – Climate Change*
*KP – Kyoto Protocol*
*arnd – around*
*Pls. – Please*
*reqd – required*

*Danish Prime Minister **Lars* Lokke Rasmussen- Welcome speech:

Presence of leaders is a possibility of ambitious climate deal. Opportunity
not to miss and save the world, world is watching and this is a chanc to
chalk out a plan for planet and for future generation. Decisive moment, to
change the world… ample risk of wrong science. Courage is what it takes to
stand and speak and courage is what is takes to sit down and listen.
Remember all your heavy compromise of life and all things you care about.
Need for a deal – for both negotiating tracks, Global threats have been
faced earlier – good news: we know what the problem is and we know how to
change … we can change this message from technology, we want to change is
the message from people. Pls. think of yourself and about the people around
the world and take the decision. Copenhagen is the place to be and it is the
place to act. Lets work for a bright and geen future.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon:

let us pose to reflect how far we have come, for years skeptics have called
CC a myth, scince have changed today. Bali gave us a road map to Copenhagen,
road is difficult and target is large. 130 heads of states are coming that
means CC is main thing on out agenda. A deal in our common intrest, protects
most vulnerable, and ensures green growth. 3 yrs od efforts have come down
to 3days of negotiations and actions. Poverty,, econoic growth and
maintining peace and prosperity are one of many chanllenges we face. *Young
people ask, show us a change show us a deal.* We are here for an agreement
that is FAB, acknowledges troubles for all countries…2C and that
challenges our ability

1. emission reduction target for develop
2. more commitment from developing countries
3. financing
4. adaptation and mitigation
5. transparent and equitable governance

welcomes, 10Bn/yr dollars for copenhagen fund. We must look for long term
commitments. we have come a long way and our goal is to lay the foundaton
for legally binding treaty this time. Ambition level are not sustainable,
global response now, time for negotiation is over, time for unfair
negotiations is over..time to act now. Strong the agreement in copenhagen
..KP must be maintained. most complex and most difficult. we are present at
the start of new era.

COP-President Connie Hedegaard :

Sucess within reach, but we can fail also. because we spend time too much on
repeating our positions and negotiating them. we must change gears, cant
risk faliure no one wants that … therefore a key word is COMPROMISE.
People arnd the world the call is same ‘act now and act now pls’. leaders
are expected to answer to the challenge. small steps reqd. for moving ahead,
more thatn 120 heads of states joining … this is imp achivements now is
the time to act and increase pace of progress. Correspond our progress with
call & demand out side. small steps to be followed by big steps. u must
commit, u must compromise, u must deliver. At Stake: world leaders to come
to agreement. turn division into decision, we all are accountable for not
only what we do but also what we fail to do. LETS GET IT DONE.

Yvo de Boer, executive secretary UNFCCC

This day 2 yrs back we were in Bali, after intense negotiations u suceeded
to deliver now agin we are at the same turn. progress till now is not
enough. We cannot keep on running the same thing compasssion makes nations
great. u all have capability to deliver and therefoe u are here. Science
tells us solutions exists but its on us to decide if we adopt to a strong
agreement. thousands of young are trying to make most impact as possible. we
need ambitious results under KP, adaptation – mitigation-tech
transfer-fiance-redd: much of progress has been made but finance still
remains an issure to think abt. It is upto you to …a place where good
intentions were changed to good treaty and let the history repeat.

HRH Prince of Wales,

http://www.actoncopenhagen.decc.gov.uk/en/ambition/achievements/december/15-dec-prince-of-wales-speech

Dr. W Mathai,
Delegates cannot negotiate with climate they can negotiate among themselves.
African and small islands are suffering from adverse effects. Historical
responsibility, some regions have over used our common climate space;
respond to carbon responsibility and carbon justice. How far rich countries
are ready to countribute from their comfortable positions? Upto the
developing world to convince them that CC is a global problem and this is
the time to respond. No delegate leaves the conference with a perfect deal,
we must find common ground and transparent and leave copenhagen with a
document with ..Respect to KP. Forest an intergral part of solutions to
cOP15, I support REDD plus. from COP15 we need governance structure for
financing the needs of the most vulneralble. we can give the world a modern
hope to FAB agreement.

Transcript courtesy of Aniruddha Sharma
Indian Youth Climate Network

[SJ/TRANSCRIPT] HEECHUL'S A GENIUS ON MBC WORLD CHANGING QUIZ

리즈 — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:14:16 +0000

This is a late video dated October 10 of 2009 Taemin called Heechul for some questions to be answere

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리즈 — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:29:08 +0000

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mihashiren — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:40:20 +0000

091213 KTR Segment about Donghae

KTR mentioned something with Donghae. He’s a cute kid.
Donghae was in his dorm alone decorating the christmas tree~ It was said that the boys on the 11th storey wouldn’t do up the christmas tree so only the 12th storey has a christmas tree.
As Donghae likes these cute little things, he decorated the tree and even plugged in electricity.
But Hyukjae asked him why he’s doing this kind of stuffs and even called Donghae weirdo.
The thought of Donghae doing up the christmas tree alone is so cute~ How much effort and thought did he put in to pick those little decorations.
But because of Hyukjae, he became a weird person.
Hyukjae-ah~ Donghae is pure, not weird~~
Don’t think that those who make christmas trees are weird~

Source: Donghae’s Baidu
Translation: (L) @ SJ-WORLD.NET

091010 MBC World Changing Quiz- Taemin calling Heechul [transcript]

aoisora999 — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:03:22 +0000

Before answering:

MC: Are you going to call Kim Heechul?
TM: Yes.
MC: Kim Heechul-shii might be the one called the most on World Changing Quiz.

Begin Answering:

TM: Hyung, while studying, while organizing, what do you use?
HC: Notebook, note book*
TM: What are you not supposed to do in public places?
HC: Urinate?
(Tae min passed this question)

TM: It’s yellow and it’s long…
HC: hurry, hurry up, I can feel it, faster faster!
TM:It’s yellow, long, can be eaten, fruit
HC: banana

MC: now its time for the food questions! (If these are guessed correctly, food can be won)

TM:It’s a thing..um
TM:It’s something from the past…how should I say it? It’s turned rusty.
HC: Taemin ah, hurry up, you’re running out of time!
TM: You know what they say in soccer when the ball goes in?(T/N: Taemin is using figurative words to help heechul)
HC: GOL!
TM:Then north, south, ______,west
HC: DONG! (T/N: dong is east in korean)
MC: wow really difficult
HC: ancient artifact!
(Heechul answers correctly)

TM: ding, dang, ding ding!
TM: It’s not a ching!*(T/N: some sort of string instrument)
HC: bronze drum!
MC: correct! we will end here

MC: Kim Hee Chul?
HC: hello
MC: You’re on the phone often (T/N: implying that heechul has played this game many times)
HC: hahahahahaha
HC: our taemin? ah he has to talk faster!
MC: but both of you have managed to win two portions of food!
HC: ah…that’s nice to hear!
MC:go eat something delicious with taemin!
HC: yes…sebaGU hwaiting!*(T/N: heechul mispronounced the name of the show, it’s supposed to be sebaGUI)
MC: Thank you…What’s this…se ba GU

credits: http://i33.tinypic.com/i38ar5.jpg
fever and tjh246@sj-world.net for translation
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*Abbreviations:*

*Danish Prime Minister **Lars* Lokke Rasmussen- Welcome speech:

*UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon:*

COP-President *Connie Hedegaard* :

*Yvo de Boer*, executive secretary UNFCCC

HRH Prince of Wales,

[SJ/TRANSCRIPT] HEECHUL'S A GENIUS ON MBC WORLD CHANGING QUIZ

[SJ/TRANSCRIPT] SUKIRA SEGMENT ABOUT DONGHAE

091213 KTR Segment about Donghae

091010 MBC World Changing Quiz- Taemin calling Heechul [transcript]

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Abbreviations:

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon:

COP-President Connie Hedegaard :

Yvo de Boer, executive secretary UNFCCC